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| 05:08 | <gdi2k> I'm trying to get NBD swap working. I'm using Xubuntu 14.04 with fat clients. I've followed the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP which worked for me previously, but not this time. No swap shows up on the thin client. How can I diagnose this?
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| 05:09 | (I meant to say: No swap shows up on the fat clients")
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| 07:12 | <tunapanda> hey all. Have just installed LTSP onto a server. Thin clients will get to login screen but I can't login (error: no response from server, restarting).
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| 07:12 | Have tried ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update image but no change
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| 07:12 | any ideas? Thanks.
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| 10:57 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, many thanks for making available those packages, I installed them today. However, the function I'm after, LDM_PASSWORD_HASH = True doesn't seem to be working for me. After rebooting clients, the /etc/shadow file does not contain the user's hashed password on the client
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| 10:58 | I've added the variable to lts.conf - is there anything else that needs to be done to make it work?
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| 12:48 | <uuuolliw> Hello. Someone once encountered a problem of bad uname kernel version for server686/client486 architecture ?
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| 14:49 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: Is this for thin or fat clients?
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| 14:50 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, fat clients
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| 14:50 | <bennabiy> Ahh, do not use a space in the lts.conf
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| 14:50 | LDM_PASSWORD_HASH=True
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| 14:51 | <||cw> uuuolliw: what kind of problem?
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| 14:51 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, uh, didn't know it was so sensitive - let me try now...
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| 14:54 | <bennabiy> yes, it should work for you if you take the spaces out. Also, be careful if you generated lts.conf by way of ltsp-config. If you added the entry to the very bottom, it would only take effect with OLD MONITOR config.
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| 14:55 | alkisg, vagrantc: I wonder if we should make it much more clear that anything added to the end is going to only fall under [OLD MONITOR] and not take effect unless their system qualifies.
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| 14:56 | <cryptrat> Hi Asterisks, i have a question, i recently updated the LTSP and NBD-Server and now the LTS.CONF line LTSP_FATCLIENT=false isn't working
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| 14:56 | would you have any other suggestions?
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| 14:56 | or should i try rolling back
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| 14:58 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, still the same issue after removing the spaces. I created the lts.conf myself and only have one [default] section
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| 14:58 | <bennabiy> Even if we made the default lts.conf template have a section which says something along the lines of... "Insert global settings in this space: <newline> #################### START GLOBAL SETTINGS ################ <a couple blank spaces> ################# END GLOBAL SETTINGS #################" something like that
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| 14:58 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, /etc/shadow shows my user like this: username:!:16310:0:99999:7:::
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| 14:59 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: one second.
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| 15:00 | gdi2k_: and you are sure you grabbed the most recent ldm?
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| 15:00 | <bennabiy> welcome alkisg
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| 15:01 | * alkisg waves | |
| 15:01 | <markit> hi alkisg :) long long time
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Hi markit, indeed, how are you doing?
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| 15:01 | <markit> I've already some questions for you, lol
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| 15:02 | alkisg: I should have been on holiday, but had to work, so school upgrade (and tests) for 14.04 has not been made
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| 15:02 | wondering if is something I could try in these last 15 days of better not :)
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> Here we decided to stick to 12.04, as gnome-flashback regressed a lot in 14.04
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| 15:02 | <markit> at the end of the last year I did some "programming lessons" with raspberrt py and scratch, children very interested, we will do again this year
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| 15:03 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, yes, my versions are like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8169655/
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| 15:03 | <markit> alkisg: I'm using kde, so I could try... is something I really need to know for 14.04?
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> From ltsp, not really, things work as usual
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| 15:03 | <markit> I mean, something changed? and your repo will be updated for 14.04 or not?
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> From kde, no idea
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| 15:04 | <markit> I mean, for 14.04 do I have to put greek repo as usual or better not, since you don't support it?
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> There's no need to upload a newer ltsp version to the ppa, the ubuntu one is current enough
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| 15:04 | <cryptrat> anyone know how to make a fat client boot as a thin client other that LTSP_FATCLIENT=false ???
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> If you've been using the ppa in 12.04, put it in 14.04 too
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| 15:04 | I'll probably send some updates there during the next couple of years...
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| 15:05 | cryptrat: put your lts.conf to pastebin
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| 15:05 | <markit> I see :) ehm, how are you doing? (forgot to ask in the urge to get these info, lol)
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> Vacations end in the weekend... so it's been very nice so far, but things are starting to look down now :D
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| 15:06 | You?
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| 15:06 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: might be a silly question, but did you update the packages within your image?
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| 15:06 | It is not enough to just do it on your server
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| 15:07 | <gdi2k_> ah so I have to ltsp-update-image afterwards too? thought it was literally just a server thing!
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| 15:08 | (not such a silly question!) ;)
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| 15:08 | <markit> alkisg: I had some work to do so vacations have been pratically ruined. In addition here was raining almost any day... incredible but true
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| 15:08 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: It needs to make it to your fat client
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| 15:09 | <cryptrat> thanks i think i found my problem for some reason i must have hit a / key when i edited the lts.conf as there was a /[DEFAULT] removed that extra mark rebooted the machine and loads as a thin client again
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| 15:09 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, thanks! updating image now...
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| 15:09 | <markit> alkisg: are you considering move to lxde or something else (ehm, kde if I can convince developer to make it more "lighter") in the near future?
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| 15:10 | I think gnome-fallback is a dead horse, no?
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| 15:10 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: great. Let me know if there are more problems
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| 15:10 | markit: MATE works great
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> markit: people are still working on gnome-flashback, and yes mate is looking like it's going to be actively maintained
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| 15:12 | I'm not thinking about lxde/kde... i'm between gnome-flashback, mate, and gnome and lxde-qt in the future
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| 15:12 | <uuuolliw> ||cw: it's good, i'm use C programe for FakeUname
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| 15:16 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, still the same :( no hashed password in /etc/shadow
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| 15:20 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: how did you generate your fat client?
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| 15:20 | ltsp-update-image -c / ?
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| 15:21 | <gdi2k_> I updated using "ltsp-update-image" only
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| 15:21 | not familiar with -c option
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| 15:21 | <bennabiy> runs the cleanup scripts
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| 15:21 | <gdi2k_> ah ok - it's safe?
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| 15:21 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 15:21 | <gdi2k_> ok, giving it a shot now...
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| 15:22 | <bennabiy> It will take your current server and make a fat client image out of it
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| 15:22 | so whatever you have installed on your server, will be installed on your fat client
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| 15:22 | <gdi2k_> what about all the apps I installed inside the chroot?
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| 15:22 | <bennabiy> This does not generate a chroot.
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| 15:23 | It just makes a squashfs image file
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| 15:23 | <gdi2k_> with the chroot as the basis? or the server as the basis?
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| 15:24 | <||cw> the server
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| 15:24 | <bennabiy> server
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| 15:24 | <gdi2k_> so it will not contain all the apps I installed in the chroot right?
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I think gdi2k_ is not using ltsp-pnp, no reason to force him to use it if he prefers using a chroot...
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| 15:24 | <||cw> basically, so it acts like a thin client, having the apps that are available on the server
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> So it's plain ltsp-update-image, no need for `-c /`...
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| 15:25 | <||cw> so that thin clients built normally and fat clients built off / will be "in sync"
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| 15:25 | <gdi2k_> yeh, I have set up the chroot as I need - I don't want to use the server as the basis for my clients
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| 15:25 | <bennabiy> alkisg: When I asked, he said just plain ltsp-update-image so I thought he already made it from that
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> gdi2k_: did you put the ppa in your chroot as well?
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| 15:25 | <gdi2k_> no
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> There you go.
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| 15:25 | <||cw> is there a downside to pnp?
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| 15:25 | <gdi2k_> I just grabbed the debs
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Ah ok, if you put them to the chroot...
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| 15:26 | <gdi2k_> so I need to be installing those LTSP and LDM packages inside the chroot
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| 15:26 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 15:26 | <gdi2k_> ok got it! :) thank you! I thought they were only server packages
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> ||cw: some people prefer to have different programs on the server... or a different arch
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| 15:26 | gdi2k_: did you actually install ldm to your server?
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| 15:27 | <gdi2k_> yes
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> That one was supposed to go to the chroot
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| 15:27 | <gdi2k_> not needed now I think about it
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| 15:27 | yes, understand now
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| 15:27 | seems obvious in hindsight!
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| 15:27 | ldm runs on the client of course
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| 15:29 | so in the chroot I need ltsp-client-core, ltsp-client and ldm packages, but not the server packages right?
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| 15:30 | and not the builder packages presumably
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| 15:30 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: sounds right, but alkisg would know more
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Paste the output of ltsp-info...
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| 15:32 | <gdi2k_> within chroot?
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> Outside of it
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| 15:32 | sudo ltsp-info
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| 15:33 | <gdi2k_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8169850/
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| 15:33 | sorry, you got the top of the chroot before I exited in that paste
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| 15:33 | from line 7 is what I meant to paste
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> The packages that you see in the chroot... uninstall them from the server
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| 15:35 | <gdi2k_> ltsp-client, ltsp-client-core and ldm ?
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| 15:36 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: What is the best way to handle pinning in a chroot install?
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> gdi2k_: and another one, look again. :)
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| 15:37 | bennabiy: why is pinning needed? what's the problem with mint 17?
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| 15:37 | <bennabiy> alkisg: mintsources conflicts with software-properties-gtk, thereby stopping the install
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| 15:38 | since s-p-gtk is a hardcoded reference in things like synaptic
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> How does pinning solve the issue?
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| 15:39 | <Hyperbyte> Doesn't pinning always solve every issue at all times?
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| 15:40 | <bennabiy> really, it will only solve it if I can control the APT sources, to have more than one mirror and pin the priority
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| 15:40 | back in a minute
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> synaptic only suggests software-properties-gtk, why would that be an issue?
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| 15:42 | <bennabiy> https://github.com/linuxmint/mintsources/issues/30
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| 15:43 | <gdi2k_> alkisg, hmm, those are the only 3 I installed in the chroot - what am I missing? anyway, I updated the image but still no success - no hashed passworrd in /etc/shadow
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> gdi2k_: lines 35 and 36 in your paste
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| 15:43 | I.e. you don't need ltspfsd in your server
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| 15:44 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: you can check the ldm log as well to see if hashpass is firing. It should leave a note if it runs.
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| 15:45 | <gdi2k_> alkisg, ok got it
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> bennabiy: in the issue you posted, the poster just gives a wrong solution
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| 15:46 | Then he finds a better one
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| 15:46 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, no nothing like that in ldm.log on the client
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> You don't need provides nor multiple sources...
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| 15:51 | <gdi2k_> alkisg, if I uninstall those things, it suggest I no longer need useful things like gtk2-engines human-theme language-pack-en language-pack-en-base
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| 15:51 | (on the server, not chroot)
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| 15:52 | but removing them will not solve my hashed password issue anyway I don't think
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> gdi2k_: that's an unrelated issue with your server installation... :)
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| 15:52 | Are you sure gtk2-engines is needed?
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| 15:52 | Because it's possible that only ldm needs that
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| 15:52 | So it's safe to remove it now that you don't have ldm on your server :)
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| 15:52 | <gdi2k_> yes, maybe
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Anyway, yes, removing ltspfsd won't make the problem go away
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| 15:53 | <gdi2k_> here's the full list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8169999/
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> gdi2k_: run this: sudo apt-get purge --autoremove
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| 15:53 | Then press ctrl+c
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| 15:53 | You'll see the list of packages that are not needed _before_ removing anything like ltspfsd...
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| 15:54 | <markit> alkisg: I'm going to leave, just to tell you a strange thing happend to me 3 days ago, so you can add in your deep "brain knowledge base". Clients did dhcp but stopped with "TFPT" and an arp problem... was a cat5 cable that was put again in an empty connector instead than in a pc (so created a loop). Maybe good switch mitigate the problem (usually you have and "arp storm" and switch knocked out) but made it more difficoult to resolve
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove
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| 15:54 | <gdi2k_> it only suggests syslinux
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: apt pinning is at best a hackish workaround generally broken designs
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> gdi2k_: you can check your apt history, those packages were installed today that you installed ltsp-client in your server
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| 15:56 | It should be safe to remove them
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| 15:56 | <gdi2k_> alkisg, ok thank you
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| 15:56 | any other ideas how I might address the hashed password issue?
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> I haven't tested that, sorry, no
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| 15:56 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: what would you suggest?
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: fix mint.
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| 15:57 | bennabiy: i think mint's reliance on apt pinning to workaround conflicts with ubuntu's repositories is an unsustainable hack.
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> It doesn't use pinning
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| 15:58 | It just makes sure that software-packages-gtk isn't preinstalled when the cd is created
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| 15:58 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> how do they prevent security updates on the linux kernel packages?
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> If you do the same with ltsp, problem solved
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| 15:58 | I meant in the specific issue that bennabiy tries to solve, not in general
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> but why should software-packages-gtk not be installable in the first place?
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| 15:58 | <gdi2k_> vagrantc, do you have any suggestions about how I may diagnose the hashed password function in the latest ltsp versions not working? I have the updated packages that include it, but no sign of it working in the logs, and /etc/shadow does not contain hashed pass
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> They provide an alternative package
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| 15:58 | One which doesn't "replace" s-p-g
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> gdi2k_: did you enable it?
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| 15:59 | gdi2k_: in lts.conf?
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| 15:59 | <gdi2k_> yes
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> gdi2k_: is your lts.conf respected in other ways?
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| 15:59 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: where is your lts.conf located?
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: then it should fix the issue
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| 15:59 | alkisg: in their package
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> Yup, I agree about that part
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| 16:03 | <gdi2k_> vagrantc, my lts.conf is at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 16:03 | vagrantc, I am not sure if it is being respected or not - quick way to test?
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| 16:04 | vagrantc, it is enabled there, I will post
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> gdi2k_: set SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=02 in it and see if you get a shell
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| 16:04 | gdi2k_: when you boot a client
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| 16:08 | <gdi2k_> vagrantc, yes, lts.conf is being respected
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| 16:08 | vagrantc, looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8170098/
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| 16:14 | a more urgent topic, my nbd swap is not working since I tried to place it on a drive as my SSD / drive is too small to support all the clients. I've changed it back temporarily but the clients aren't getting it - is there any service I need to restart, and can I do it without wreaking havoc on running client sessions?
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> my guess would be restart nbd-server, but that would be disruptive to running clients
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| 16:23 | <gdi2k_> vagrantc, thanks, apparently yes
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> gdi2k_: how did you try to place it to another drive?
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| 16:28 | By mounting /tmp/nbd-swap on another drive?
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| 16:29 | <gdi2k_> alkisg, I fixed it already, but I changed the config from exportname = /tmp/nbd-swap/%s to exportname = /home/nbd-swap/%s
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| 16:29 | alkisg, I created that directory and I think I set the permissions correctly, but it didn't work
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| 16:29 | (/home is on spinning disks, / is on SSD)
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Put the "nbd" user as the owner of that dir
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| 16:30 | <gdi2k_> alkisg, no, that was likely the mistake. I see now that nbd-swap in /tmp is owned by nbd
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| 16:31 | I will play with it tomorrow evening when everyone is off, thank you for that tip
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| 16:33 | <bennabiy> gdi2k_: I am off to get some lunch, but will be back a little later. A couple things to check on your client would be to see if the shadow.sed file is being generated
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| 16:33 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, thanks! should it be in /etc ?
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| 16:34 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: do you remember where we put it?
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> /var/cache/ltsp
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| 16:34 | <bennabiy> ah yes
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| 16:35 | sorry, I hit my head pretty hard yesterday, still somewhat recovering
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| 16:35 | <gdi2k_> I have shadow at that location. but not shadow.sed
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| 16:35 | * vagrantc thinks it should go in the ldm package | |
| 16:35 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: the rc.d stuff?
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> as it's an LDM feature added to localapps
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| 16:35 | <bennabiy> I agree, and that was how I had it originally :)
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| 16:36 | feel free to move it :)
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| 16:36 | I will be back.
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| 16:36 | * bennabiy waves | |
| 16:36 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: alkisg eventually convinced me, but after actually deploying it, i'm no longer convinced
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| 16:37 | * alkisg doesn't see the difference between that feature, and the other features in X01-localapps | |
| 16:37 | <alkisg> localapps and ldm are interweaved, but password hash is a localapps thing...
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> if anything, localapps support could e made into it's own source
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> If we implement localapps over libpam_sshauth, the password hash would go there as well
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| 16:38 | It's not specific to ldm...
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| 16:38 | <gdi2k_> alkisg, on the topic of nbd-swap, is all of the allocated swap actually consumed on disk, or is only the amount actually required by the client consumed? For example, if I have a client that has been allocated 4 GB but is only using 200 MB swap, how much actual server disk space is used?
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, the feature is LDM_PASSWORD_HASH ... so it seems pretty LDM specific :)
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> All the LDM* variables will go away in ltsp6 anyway :)
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: libpam_sshauth wouldn't require it at all
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| 16:39 | it's a workaround for not having libpam-sshauth working
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> True, bad example on my part
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| 16:39 | LDM_USERNAME etc are in X01-localapps, not in the ldm package
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| 16:40 | LDM_SERVER, LDM_HOME etc etc
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> i'm not saying it's all implemented correctly, but that doesn't mean we can't make it cleaner in the future
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> It's a hack that shouldn't be needed in the first place, so in the future it's not going to be there at all...
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> but it's true, the features are quite intertwined
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> gdi2k_: google for "sparse files"
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| 16:41 | Short answer, no, not all space is consumed at first
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| 16:41 | vagrantc: how's debconf going?
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| 16:42 | <gdi2k_> alkisg, perfect thank you
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> alkisg: great! though not much time for actual coding!
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| 16:43 | debconf is as much a social event as a technical event, though it also lays the groundwork for what technical things are worth implementing
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| 16:46 | <gdi2k_> bennabiy, it's late here (00:45) and I have to get some sleep, but feel free to post any ideas you have about how I could diagnose the issues with hashed passwords and I will run through them in the morning and post back... maybe you'll still be online...
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| 16:46 | many thanks everyone for your help!
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| 17:08 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: is there a method for handling packages to be removed at a certain point in the chroot install?
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: no, but easy enough to create one
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| 17:10 | <bennabiy> basically, because of the limitations on debootstrap, I need to install a stock 14.04, remove a couple packages, add the late mirrors and then add the packages I need
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: just look at the package installation hooks, and create the inverse
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| 17:12 | <bennabiy> !learn bennabiy_todo as Fix Mint 17 support - create package removal hook and update script
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| 17:12 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 17:12 | <bennabiy> !bennabiy_todo
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| 17:12 | <ltsp`> bennabiy_todo: (#1) Finish patching LinuxMint code to detect NON mint chroot build requests on mint, and to build a mint chroot on non mint server., or (#2) document hash directive (following example http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/revision/146 ), or (#3) Fix Mint 17 support - create package removal hook and update script
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| 17:12 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Did I end up documenting the hash?
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| 17:12 | I cannot remember
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| 17:13 | I thought I did
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| 17:13 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: i *think* so ...
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| 17:13 | bennabiy: yup, and i made some corrections
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| 17:13 | <bennabiy> !forget bennabiy_todo 2
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| 17:13 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 17:14 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: That is right. I remember now
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| 17:14 | !LinuxMint
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| 17:14 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> vcs >= remembering
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| 17:14 | <bennabiy> I have trouble remembering where my files are let alone vcs ;)
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| 17:15 | I double version control
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| 17:15 | bzr keeps track of individual things, but then I keep a git of all my bzr controlled files
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| 17:16 | so I actively update my git, and then update my bzr when I am ready to push a commit
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| 17:16 | * vagrantc just uses git-remote-bzr | |
| 17:16 | <bennabiy> any downside to using it?
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> the was a bug in older versions that didn't handle filetype conversions (i.e. file to symlink)
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| 17:17 | but that's fixed now
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| 17:18 | it also can't push tags
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| 17:18 | but it can pull them fine
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| 17:19 | so i do still keep a local copy of bzr.
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| 17:20 | but i've been doing most of my work in git lately ...
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| 17:20 | bennabiy: probably can use the package in debian ... dunno if it's hit ubuntu yet
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| 17:22 | <bennabiy> !learn mint17 as For thin clients - #ltsp-build-client --dist=trusty --mint-dist=none (and for fat clients, use the ltsp-pnp method) #ltsp-update-image -c /
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| 17:22 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 17:23 | <bennabiy> !mint17
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| 17:23 | <ltsp`> mint17: For thin clients - #ltsp-build-client --dist=trusty --mint-dist=none (and for fat clients, use the ltsp-pnp method) #ltsp-update-image -c /
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| 17:23 | <bennabiy> until I can get the code working
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> ltsp-pnp should work without a hitch, no?
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| 17:28 | <bennabiy> ltsp-pnp works fine
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| 17:28 | <bennabiy> for fat clients
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| 17:29 | There is a way you can do ltsp-pnp, and then extract to a folder the squashfs image
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| 17:29 | to make a chroot
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| 17:30 | I wonder if we could put a flag which would be able to make a chroot using the ltsp-pnp method post cleanup
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| 17:30 | so that it is not just an image file created, but also the chroot to go with it
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> why do you want the chroot?
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| 17:31 | <bennabiy> because I like to keep my server environment clean of some apps that I might want in the chroot
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> you could probably write some "cleanup" hooks that add/remove packages before building the image
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| 17:32 | <bennabiy> can I put them in the ldm package?
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| 17:32 | ;)
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> uh.
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| 17:32 | <bennabiy> sorry, bad joke
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> i'll be on-again off-again today
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| 17:33 | heading down to the conference soonish
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| 17:33 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 17:33 | I am going to be here and gone as well
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| 19:44 | <championofcyrodi> looks like i have to stand up an LTSP server using CentOS 6.5 only :\
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| 20:18 | <bennabiy> I do not want to speak too soon, but I might have found a simple solution to the package issue. testing if --exclude software-properties-gtk will work
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> in debootstrap?
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| 20:26 | that seems like a really high-level thing to be pulled in by debootstrap
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| 21:10 | <bennabiy> woohoo! it worked!
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| 21:10 | will update the code tomorrow
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| 21:11 | It was being pulled in by some of the mint / mate packages
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