IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 July 2013   (all times are UTC)

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11:57
<DJUnreal>
here's a good one for you...
11:57
LTSP... will it play nice over a bonded interface?
12:00
<gvy>
lots of installations used it with bonded eth back in 4.2 days
12:00
like 6xGE
12:01* DJUnreal nods... ltsp5?
12:03
<DJUnreal>
the thought occurs to me right now that one of my bottlenecks, especially once i switch local apps on, is going to be my access speed. The further thought occurs that if I shove an extra pair of gigabit NICs into the master server sharing out the NFS mount, I should be able to use the full extent of my SCSI access time (I'm mirroring, so 320MB/Sec - 2560Mbit - will use 2.5 interfaces happily
12:03
(plus overheads) )
12:04
sadly I don't have a disk server capable of 10G networking (my switch has two 10G ports, so if I did, I could in theory use one of those)
12:05
seems like there's no point me pushing for more than 3 bonded NICs on the back end
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and similarly, no point striping the OS disks when a single disk at U320 will cap 2.5 NICs anyway
12:05
especially on a budget of 0
12:08
<Hyperbyte>
DJUnreal, I'm using LTSP with 3 bonded gigabit interfaces.
12:08
Actually LTSP is virtualized, but the host has 3 bonded gigabits.
12:08
Before I had a non-virtual LTSP with 2 bonded gigabit interfaces.
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12:14
<gvy>
DJUnreal, well sticking a 10Gpbs intel or mellanox card there might be a solution
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12:14* gvy only used 40G/IB mellanox ones so far
12:17
<DJUnreal>
gvy: one slight issue with that
12:18
my deployment is, uhh, 'alternative'
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and being a deployment for the scouts... we run on a budget of 0
12:18
so purchasing a 10G intel or mellanox card ain't gonna happen
12:18
<gvy>
ah
12:18
<DJUnreal>
it's also the reason we're stuck on 10-year-old IBM x346 servers
12:18
with single-core CPUs (albeit two of them)
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and 5GB RAM in one, 4GB in the other
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hence being stuck on SCSI for the disk interfacing too
12:19
my old company were decommissioning a rack of servers
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and the CEO heard that I was running a scouts internet project
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told me if i wanted them all i had to do was go fetch them
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and he told the network engineer to give me the two switches from their test lab that they couldn't redeploy because the company that built them had gone bust
12:21
<workingcats>
DJUnreal, also keep in mind bus/port speeds, e.g. standard PCI can only handle 133mbyte/s total
12:21
<DJUnreal>
hence having a pair of ConSentry CS-4048X-POE switches
12:22
yeah... 133MB/Sec still equates to 1064Mbit
12:22
ie >1Gbit
12:22
what about PCI-X though? any idea?
12:22
<workingcats>
depends on speed
12:22
ie what kind of pci-x
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<DJUnreal>
actually... i'm not sure what bus the RAID controller sits on in these servers
12:23* DJUnreal shall look that up
12:23
<gvy>
should be PCI-X
12:23
was 64/66-100-133 usually
12:23
<workingcats>
i would imagine so
12:23
<DJUnreal>
the raid controller is onboard, and has the cache/bbu/memory module in its own custom slot
12:24
either way though, bonding 2 NICs is going to help (as it'll still be the bottleneck when only running one)
12:24
and if i'm putting in a dual-port card
12:24
it makes sense to have done with it and bond all 3
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(leaving eth0 as the uplink for the internet side)
12:27
y'know, nowt like saying 'fuck it, we have 3, let's use 'em anyway'... :P
12:27
overkill would be doing the same on my slave login server
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<workingcats>
if i'm not mistaken 64/66 pci-x can do 533MB/s, but its still a bus, so a lot will depend on whether the data can go straight from storage to NIC, or whether it has to go to CPU/RAM first
12:27
<gvy>
do you have dualport one?
12:27
<DJUnreal>
gvy: dualport is all i have
12:27
<gvy>
just in case, adding 100Mbps for internet might be cheaper
12:27
ah
12:27
<DJUnreal>
when the servers were decommed
12:27
half of them had extra dual port PCI-X NICs
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<gvy>
good, gigabit interconnect is going to be way more affordable either btw
12:29* DJUnreal has as much ethernet cable as he could possibly need
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<gvy>
[severe offtopic] DJUnreal, your scouts might be interested in this ongoing documentary on invasion in Syria: http://www.youtube.com/user/newsanna/videos (English subs tend to appear in few days)
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12:36* DJUnreal grins, thanks Gremble
12:36
<DJUnreal>
gvy even
12:36
ruddy autocomplete
12:36
<gvy>
YW
12:36* DJUnreal glares at Gremble for having a name starting with G
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12:55
<DJUnreal>
oops
12:56* DJUnreal thinks he killed him :(
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<workingcats>
DJUnreal, well done
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<DJUnreal>
well done for what?
13:20
killing Gremble?
13:20
<workingcats>
killing in general
13:20* DJUnreal isn't sure that's deserving of praise...
13:22
<DJUnreal>
but thanks all the same
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<workingcats>
it is if youre a cat ;)
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<jammcq>
good morning all
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<Hyperbyte>
Hi jammcq!
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<jammcq>
hey Hyperbyte
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<jammcq>
how's everything going?
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<gvy>
fine, for my definition of fine
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<DJUnreal>
afternoon those of you who joined since i last spoke
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21:39
<DJUnreal>
!local_menu
21:39
<ltsp`>
Error: "local_menu" is not a valid command.
21:39
<DJUnreal>
!local_menus
21:39
<ltsp`>
Error: "local_menus" is not a valid command.
21:39
<DJUnreal>
!local
21:39
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'local', but I do know about these similar topics: 'install-localapp', 'localdev', 'localapps-print', 'RDP-localdev', 'localapps', 'LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround', 'localxterm', 'local-disks', 'local-boot'
21:39
<DJUnreal>
!localapps
21:39
<ltsp`>
localapps: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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21:46
<vagrantc>
that might be a bit dated...
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21:56
<DJUnreal>
i suspect it is
21:57
i was trying to work out what the local menus string is in lts.conf
21:57
i'm assuming something logical like local_menus=true
21:57
with the correct caps
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21:59* DJUnreal is installing apps in the chroot atm
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22:02
<DJUnreal>
got my bonded interfaces working nicely btw
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22:08
<vagrantc>
man lts.conf ?
22:08
(from ltsp-docs package)
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<DJUnreal>
aye
22:25
so i remember we were talking about HOSTS_00 through HOSTS_99
22:25
but they aren't in the manpages
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<vagrantc>
DJUnreal: not everything is, true.
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