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Channel log from 12 May 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<abeehc>
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<robbie_>
crikeys theres lots of people here these days
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<Guerdal82>
hello, I have a question about config of ltsp-cluster. Does anyone is here ?
03:58
I have manage to install ltsp-cluster with an ldap server, but sometimes a thin client return to the login ldm. This happen often with a big firefox locapapps running (multiple tabs open)
04:02
on the page http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf there is a X_ramperc parameter but I don't find where to indicate to ltsp control center to add this parameter. It is not in the attributes list. Does anyone can give me a clue ?
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<guest128754>
anyone have a link to how to setup printers? got a usb printer that works perfectly on the server, need to connect it to a thin client
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<Appiah>
guest128754 are you gonna connect it with USB directly to the client?
07:02
or is it gonna be connected to the server?
07:02
<guest128754>
i need to connect it (and others) directly to the clients
07:03
<Appiah>
so its a local printer setup
07:03
<guest128754>
yeah, connected to the thin clients
07:04
<Appiah>
you need to edit lts.conf
07:04
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man5/lts.conf.5.html#toptoc5
07:04
there you go
07:05
<guest128754>
thanks!
07:06
does the ltsp image need to be updated each time you update the lts.conf?
07:06
<Appiah>
no
07:06
the thin client needs a reboot to read the lts.conf again
07:07
<guest128754>
ok, so, once i get these printer settings right, how do i add it to the list of printers? does it just "show up" or do i need to somehow configure cups?
07:09
also, how can i actually tell where the usb printer gets mounted by the thin client? like for the line
07:09
PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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<Appiah>
check dmesg when you plug it in
07:10
I dont know if you have to do anything more ,never used local printers
07:11
<guest128754>
Appiah: I'd normally know how to do that, but how do i access the OS on the thin client?
07:11
<Appiah>
set a root password in the chroot
07:11
<guest128754>
ah, ok
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<waranha>
hello all.. ltsp-build client return error "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:40: " . help me..
07:16
<Guerdal82>
hello, I have a question about config of ltsp-cluster. Does anyone here known a little about it ?
07:17
<Appiah>
just ask
07:18
<Guerdal82>
I have manage to install ltsp-cluster with an ldap server, but sometimes a thin client return to the login ldm. This happen often with a big firefox locapapps running (multiple tabs open) I saw an X_RAMPERC in lts.conf parameter but I don't find where to indicate to ltsp control center to add this parameter. It is not in the attributes list.
07:21
the servers are installed with Lucid Lynx
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Guerdal82: you'll have to add custom parameters manually.
07:33
Guerdal82: one moment and I'll get you some instructions on how to do that
07:34
<guest128754>
okay, so i got my printer setup in lts.conf but how do i get it added to the list of printers on the server?
07:41
<Guerdal82>
thanks
07:43
guest128754: You must add the printer on the server as a jet direct printer in cups, it's that I done to add two epson usb printer sometime ago :-p
07:44
<guest128754>
Guerdal82: even for non-HP printers?
07:45
<AndyGraybeal_>
this is OT, but what kind of racks do yuo guys buy?
07:45
<Guerdal82>
wait a minute, I check my config
07:47
Ok : I used that addres: socket://192.168.0.162:9100 (192.168.0.162 is the ip address of the thin client that have the usb printer connected to it) and Epson Stylus Color 1160 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.3 as driver (it's an example) :-p
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<guest128754>
thanks, will give it a try
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Guerdal82: ok, that's completely insane. seems like it works!
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<Guerdal82>
good
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<guest128754>
Guerdal82: although the printing is a tad off, it actually works. freakin' amazing.
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<thunsucker>
Good Morning!
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<myjess>
Good afternoon.
11:25
Continuing my saga LTSP on my laptop with nothing but a NIC and 512MB.
11:27
Why is update-apt-xapi running on the client? I installed ssh and rebuilt the image and I was getting mouse hangs for split seconds, which stopped when I killed this process. The process started automatically again and so did the mouse hanging.
11:28
Also, number 2 issue now is that the laptop(client) hangs completely if it is left alone for a period. I do not yet know what is causing this.
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<myjess>
update-apt-xapi is really update-apt-xapian-index. Still trying to find out what it is doing.
11:43
<abeehc>
myjess: that second part is likely some crappy acpi stuff? laptop going into powersaving of some sort?
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12:03
<myjess>
which of the acpi parameters do i need to put into the boot string to turn acpi off completely?
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<abeehc>
there's a few i've used over the years
12:04
i think the most recent was noacpi
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<myjess>
ok, thanks, I'll give that a go. Cannot find any process called update-api-xapian in chroot though.
12:35
<alkisg>
myjess: /etc/cron.daily/apt
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<abeehc>
yeah i don't know about that; the distro/version you are using would be helpful though
12:35
<alkisg>
and also see the weekly one
12:35
myjess: I completely disable cron on my clients for that reason :)
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<myjess>
Muy connection died there.
12:58
Do I need to put noacpi and noapm into the actual chroot and rebuild the image or is it good enough to have it just in the tftpboot default file?
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<alkisg>
(08:32:06 μμ) alkisg: myjess: /etc/cron.daily/apt
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(08:32:09 μμ) abeehc: yeah i don't know about that; the distro/version you are using would be helpful though
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(08:32:11 μμ) alkisg: and also see the weekly one
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(08:32:22 μμ) alkisg: myjess: I completely disable cron on my clients for that reason :)
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<myjess>
karmic edununtu / ubuntu fatclient.
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Someone else tol dme that the laptop hanging after a couple mins of non use maybe acpi, and stated I disable it. but just disable them in tftpboot, or ib build also.
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alkisdg, thanks for that. Is it just a simple removal of the cron script or is there some command that does it for me?
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<alkisg>
I use this to disable cron *completely*:
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ltsp-plugins/090-divert-cron: chroot "$ROOT" dpkg-divert --divert /etc/anacron.conf --rename /etc/init/anacron.conf
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ltsp-plugins/090-divert-cron: chroot "$ROOT" dpkg-divert --divert /etc/cron.conf --rename /etc/init/cron.conf
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<myjess>
ok soi= you mean to add that 90 file into nplugins and put those two strings in the file? Will ltsp-update-image look at these plugins?
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<alkisg>
No no ok let me write you the exact commands:
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-divert --divert /etc/anacron.conf --rename /etc/init/anacron.conf
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sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-divert --divert /etc/cron.conf --rename /etc/init/cron.conf
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sudo ltsp-update-image
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Just those 3. But remember, these disable cron.
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<myjess>
thank you.
13:21
alkisg, for turning off acpi and apm ion the client, do i need to add the noacpi and noapm to the build image pxe default file?
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<alkisg>
In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<myjess>
hmm, thinking aboiut this, it would be good there cos update kernels takes it from there to put into tftpboot
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in fact i will put it into that file that updates default. Now if I could just remember which file that was :)
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<alkisg>
/etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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<vagrantc>
editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/* directly will get overwritten on server reboot
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<alkisg>
On reboot? Or on ltsp-update-image --force?
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<vagrantc>
there are a number of ways it could get rewritten
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but ltsp-update-kernels is re-run every time a network interface goes up or down
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oh wait, that's just ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: that's sshkeys
13:26
yup :)
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<myjess>
there is an ltsp-update-kernels.conf apparently being asked for inside /usr/sbin/ltsp-update-kernels
13:30
How could i put the boot params into that conf file.
13:30
?
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<alkisg>
myjess: BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS="noacpi" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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*not* in update-kernels.
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: looks like you reverted a bunch of cd related ltspfs stuff?
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<myjess>
oh, hold on, i just added those two params to ltsp-update-image.conf, but you now say I explicitly add another line with that BOOTPROMPT in it?
13:33
I seem to have two duplicate entries in that conf file fot whatever reasons.
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<alkisg>
You *just* need that line. What other params did you add?
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<myjess>
# Configuration file for ltsp-update-image
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# By default, do not compress the image
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# as it's reported to make it unstable
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NO_COMP="-noF -noD -noI -no-exports"
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BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS='quiet splash autoconf=dhcp noacpi noapm'
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IPAPPEND=3
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BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS='quiet splash autoconf=dhcp noacpi noapm'
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IPAPPEND=3
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<alkisg>
No don't paste here, use the pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
13:34
<alkisg>
OK, just delete the last 2 lines then
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And remember, those only take effect after ltsp-update-image --force
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Otherwise you need to manually edit pxelinux.cfg/default
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<myjess>
I used pasteboit but i guess you have answered anyway. Thanks.
13:38
alkisg? You said you had a lappy with a 855gm vga chip. Have you ever done just a normal ubuntu karmic boot but turned off quiet/splash?
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<alkisg>
I don't remember about quiet/splash. It booted fine with karmic as a standalone pc
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<myjess>
Do you see the boot process when you do this, cos I still don't on my lappy, but it gas no internal screen.
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It finise
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it finishes init.rd,
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thenj the screen goes to sleep until X starts.
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<alkisg>
I don't remember, it's my wife's laptop...
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<myjess>
just wondering if the driver only displays to internal screen and it takes x TO NOTICE THAT AN EXTERNAL SCREEN IS BEING USED.
13:41
whoops, sorry.
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<alkisg>
I think it was ok, I never noticed any boot problems, splash missing etc on Karmic
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<myjess>
right, could be the kernel driver only writing to internal screen then.
13:48
Any ideas why I have kacpid, kacpi_notify and kacpi_hotplug running on the client? I did put noacpi and noapm into the boot options!
13:49
The lappy still hung, thats why I am asking.
13:51
Wnen the lappy hangs, top seems to stay running via ssh to the client but as soon as I exit it, the ssh session also freezes with no prompt displaying.
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: is "-fp" needed for `poweroff` on debian ltsp?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i know it hangs some of the older machines we use at freegeek
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alkisg: but not using it just causes it to go through the normal shutdown sequence
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: it isn't needed anymore on Ubuntu (stgraber replaced it with an upstart .conf file), and it breaks a program of mine as it doesn't give it a chance to properly disconnect
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<alkisg>
...so I have to use timeouts etc to detect when the client has been shut down
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<vagrantc>
i never really understood why we needed an instantaneous shutdown anyways
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<alkisg>
The shutdown process breaks because of nbd
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<vagrantc>
not on debian
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<alkisg>
So, if debian doesn't need it, and lucid+ doesn't need it, maybe we could remove it? :)
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<vagrantc>
even on debian, nbd shutdown works properly
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<alkisg>
(I'll ask stgraber of course, just asking for a debian confirmation...)
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Perfect
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: people have waffled over that one so many times, and every time it's never made sense to me
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<alkisg>
You don't use ubuntu, that's why it doesn't make sense :D
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<vagrantc>
ubuntu should properly register it's nbd-client/nbd-proxy invocations so they don't get killed on shutdown
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<alkisg>
Right, I think I saw that somewhere
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<vagrantc>
the rationale people give never made sense
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<alkisg>
Marking the init processes with "netboot" or "netstart" or something so that they're not killed at shutdown
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: you just have to register the pids not to kill
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<alkisg>
Hmmm maybe I saw a different way
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<vagrantc>
maybe there are other ways
14:58
but the sensids.omit.d approach (based on something originally developed by ubuntu) works great in my experience
14:59
might have issues with nbd-proxy if the respawn thing causes a new nbd-client to get started
14:59
although nbd-proxy will spawn a new nbd-client so it should be fine
15:00
maybe ubuntu's abandoned sendsigs.omit.d it for something newer...
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<Ghid0rah>
Does anyone know of a way that I can log which terminal a user logons on to?
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<vagrantc>
last should tell you which ip address
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hrm. cdpinger hanging... should try gadi's new patch
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<myjess>
Ghid0rah: I am playing about with iTalc at the minute and you can show the usernames in that. You can even export them to a text file I think.
15:59
I just logged out of my test client via iTalc. It is set to auto login, and it did, and now iTalc states no use is logged in, although I know there is! Maybe the ica port has changed?
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Yep, that would be the reason. Port changed on logout of client. Just letting anyone know that reads the logs.
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16:02* alkisg is developing an app that monitors ltsp clients real time, and shows computers and users as they become available
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<alkisg>
...also supports ltsp-build-client through a wizard, chroot updates, student monitoring, screen locking etc, and in the future will have file transfers and other stuff
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<myjess>
alkisg. Why do I have to kill all my nbd servers when I log out or power off the client. I have to do this because they keep i386.img open and even when deleted the space is still used up.
16:14
So if limited on space, and building an image again, the build will crash out cos there is no space left on the filesystem.
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<alkisg>
Nbd tries to keep the connection for a long time in case the client gets offline temporarily
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<myjess>
how can I reduce that timeout?
16:18
Also, and apologies for hitting you with Q after Q, I want to touch a file in the i386 dir that is called "builddate" but if I modify ltsp build or update scripts, I would have to do that every time I updated the ltsp software.
16:18
I know there are conf files read during build and update, is there any way for me to put in a `touch /opt/ltsp/i386/builddate` in one of those?
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Even two files touched, one of build and the other for last updated
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<grspence__>
hi guys don't know if anyone is able to help me....had ltsp up and running.... for like all of 10 minutes. client hooked up fine, able to log in etc
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i go and reboot my server
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and now the dhcp3 server even the apache server is not starting automatically....and the ltsp is guffed
16:54
any suggestions?
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<johnny>
well.. you'll have to provide more info as to why dhcp isn't starting
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<vagrantc>
grspence__: anything revealing in /var/log/syslog on the server regarding dhcp?
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grspence__: grep -i dhcp /var/log/syslog
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<grspence__>
2 secs...
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started dhcp3 manually....full of dhcp3 offer requests
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will go restart and see if there is any errors
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brb
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<grspence__>
y 12 22:46:15 aspire dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.83 to 00:1c:c4:8d:c1:ed via eth1
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May 12 22:55:19 aspire dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.20 from 04:1e:64:a1:9e:c0 (Steves-iPHONE-2) via eth1
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May 12 22:55:19 aspire dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.20 to 04:1e:64:a1:9e:c0 (Steves-iPHONE-2) via eth1
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May 12 22:58:22 aspire kernel: [ 22.345212] type=1505 audit(1273701501.134:3): operation="profile_load" pid=556 name="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action"
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May 12 22:58:23 aspire kernel: [ 24.219199] type=1505 audit(1273701503.006:8): operation="profile_replace" pid=821 name="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action"
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last few lines there
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<vagrantc>
grspence__: looks like your DHCP server is working, then...
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<vagrantc>
!seen gadi
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 4 hours, 9 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Gadi> just share out that dir
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<mannyv>
i just installed ltsp on lucid and i got dhcp working and i even got the thinclient to boot over pxe
18:30
but now i dont know how to login, can anyone help me?
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<mannyv>
nobody huh =(
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<johnny>
did you create accounts for them?
18:36
on the server?
18:36
that's wat it will require
18:37
really.. this is just a bad time for support in this channel
18:37
this channel is most active during western european/usa business hours
18:37
<mannyv>
johnny, ive been trying to figure out how to do that but i could not find a guide to do that
18:37
<johnny>
there's a user add dialog
18:37
this is not relalyl an ltsp question.. but an ubuntu one
18:37
there is Users and Groups or something in System | Administrator
18:38
Administration*
18:38
<mannyv>
so i tried to login with an existing user account on the server and it wouldn't connect
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<johnny>
are you currently logged in on the server as that user?
18:38
<mannyv>
yes
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<johnny>
that's one reason why
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<mannyv>
ok i will try that
18:40
then i will ask again tomorrow if i cant get it
18:40
thanks for the help
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