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Channel log from 19 July 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<mil132>
I am haveing a problem where the thin client loads, and comes up with the login screen, I try to login, but it goes back to the login screen after a bit
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<alkisg>
mil132: grep sshd /var/log/auth.log ==> do you see any failed login attempts?
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(or succeeded?)
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<mil132>
My vm is not working any more, so I have to start fresh
01:03
its not my day
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<muppis>
Don't worry, it's just monday..
01:13
<mil132>
still sunday where I am
01:14
quick question, is it better to use edubutnu or just a vanilla 10.04 desktop install?
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<muppis>
mil132, 09:15am monday here.
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<mil132>
helsinki, i bet
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<alkisg>
or greece :D
01:19
<muppis>
mil132, almost. Sastamala, as whole Finland is in same time zone and only Helsinki is mentioned in lists because it is capital city.
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<mil132>
anyone prefer ubuntu desktop over edubutnu or the other way around?
01:20
<alkisg>
mil132: edubuntu also offers live ltsp (right off the live dvd), but more people here are familiar with the vanilla ubuntu 10.04 installation
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<mil132>
hmm...
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<alkisg>
So if you think you'll be needing more feedback, maybe the vanilla one - on the other hand, if you're going to install kdeedu etc, maybe edubuntu will save you time
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<mil132>
actualy this is for a building and their staff, (maint, security....) so I will not need any of the EDU stuff, but I dont know if one is better for ltsp
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<alkisg>
No they're the same, so go for vanilla if you don't need anything edu* related
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(i.e. the alternate ubuntu cd)
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<mil132>
alternate?
01:23
i tried that and hit the f4
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<alkisg>
Yes, it's recommented over the desktop one
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<mil132>
no option to install ltsp
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<alkisg>
Woah, really?
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<mil132>
yea
01:23
10.04
01:24
should I go for an earlyer release
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<alkisg>
Well... apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone it is, then :D
01:24
No no
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<mil132>
minus the dhcp server ;)
01:24
<alkisg>
ltsp-server then :D
01:24
<mil132>
cool
01:24* alkisg didn't realize there was such a big bug in 10.04...
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<mil132>
lol
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well, it was in the alternate cd boot menu for ealryer releases, but not 10.04 apparently
01:26
<alkisg>
mil132: it is, I just tried it
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<mil132>
wtf
01:27
can you send me a link to where you got the iso
01:27
<alkisg>
Sure...
01:27
Or better yet, and md5sum...
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<mil132>
???
01:27
well
01:27
ok
01:27
lets see if it is diff
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<alkisg>
$ md5sum ubuntu-10.04-alternate-i386.iso
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5b2dadacfd692b4f2d5c7cf034539262 ubuntu-10.04-alternate-i386.iso
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I got it from a near server at ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/mirror/ubuntu-releases/10.04/
01:28
...but it's supposed to be the same wherever you get it
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<mil132>
I am computeing now
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<alkisg>
The alternate cd is recommented because it doesn't need an internet connection to install the chroot, so it's much faster.
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<mil132>
5b2dadacfd692b4f2d5c7cf034539262
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wtf
01:30
ok
01:30
I am just a bumbleing idiot
01:32
gigabit makes this so much more easy
01:34
once I select "install an LSTP Server" is it supposed to load into an installer
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<alkisg>
Yes, it's using the usual debian-installer and will just have some extra steps there for ltsp
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<mil132>
cool, I think its installing, just had to select "install ubuntu)
01:42
here is an out there question, is there any compatbility with smart card readers?
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<muppis>
mil132, mPollux should be the keyword to start looking at.
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<mil132>
cool, thanks
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<EDinNY>
‎Is Jim on vacation or did he stop coming here?
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Anyone going to be at LinuxCon in Boston next month?
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<talntid>
Hi all. I have a LTSP environment, and would like someone to assist me with moving FireFox & Flash to the actual clients, as opposed to server side. Any takers? I can pay for your services. :)
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If you come in late and want to email me about this, eric@spokanepcrepair.com
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<muppis>
What distro you're using?
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<talntid>
Ubuntu
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<muppis>
talntid, then you should look up Ubuntu LTSP Wiki. There's HowTo for that.
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<talntid>
I understand, but the problem is..
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I am using a AMD64 server, and i386 clients
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which seems to make it harder. the HowTo is for i386/i386
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<muppis>
ltsp-update-image --arch i386 is the command.
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<Lns>
talntid: shouldn't be too much of a difference, you just need to battle with Adobe Flash. 32-bit browser would work fine in your chroot.
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<talntid>
right, I have that - but you have to install the localapp on the server first, and it installs 64bit stuff instead of 32
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not sure if that makes sense
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<Lns>
talntid: you would enter your i386 chroot and install the browser there, which would be 32-bit/i386.
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<talntid>
hmm, i shall try. the tutorial here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup seems a LOT easier than the one i read before... maybe things changed a bit?
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actually, the one I looked at before is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsFirefox
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<talntid>
i'll try again and report back
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<muppis>
talntid, I've do with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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With sam kind of enviroment as yours.
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same..
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<talntid>
trying it now :)
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currently in production environment. hehe
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you are using 64bit server, i386 clients?
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<muppis>
Yes.
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<talntid>
perfect
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firefox is killing my server. 4.8 of 5gb ram is used. mostly on firefox
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hopefully this should lessen the load
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<Lns>
talntid: how many terminals total?
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<talntid>
22
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<Lns>
whats your distro/version?
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<talntid>
ubuntu 8.04
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it's in a Xen virtual machine
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has been for... 2 years
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<Lns>
ah
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well yeah, if all 22 are in Firefox with bloaty webpages 4.8GB is "sort of" about par
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<talntid>
yeah
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sometimes it freezes, most of the time it's fine
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currently installing firefox in the chroot
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and gnash
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<Lns>
good luck with gnash :)
14:56
it's a fantastic project worth supporting, but not really ready for prime-time imho
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<talntid>
it couldn't find flashplayer-plugin
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<muppis>
I agree.
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<talntid>
so i'll install that in a bit too, manually. i'll find the right repos
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<Lns>
talntid: it's called 'flashplugin-nonfree'
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<talntid>
ahh
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<Lns>
:)
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<talntid>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox called it flashplayer-installer
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E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-nonfree
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<Lns>
talntid: look more carefully ;)
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<talntid>
doh
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Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
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is only available from another source
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E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
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see? it hates me ;)
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<Lns>
talntid: have you edited/copied your sources.list ?
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it's probably not in the main repos
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<muppis>
Multiverse
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<Lns>
muppis: ty
15:00* Lns is off to the computer store
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<talntid>
my computer store? =D
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<Lns>
;)
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<talntid>
2904 E Francis, Spokane WA - see ya soon!
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<Lns>
Yeah I'm just about 1k miles South of you in Santa Rosa, CA
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I'll be there in 3 days =p
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<talntid>
oh, that's nothing a fighter jet can't cover in minutes
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<muppis>
About 8h to get in the country..
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<Lns>
hey, if you're supplying the jet i'd be happy to board it. ;)
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<talntid>
http://pastebin.com/un59mBGE
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sources
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Lns, i'll supply the jet, but I should warn you, it's remote controlled.... by monkeys.. it's an experiment. when can we pick you up? :)
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muppis, did you see any issue with my sources.list?
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<muppis>
talntid, not directly. Solving and looking up things.
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<talntid>
roger that
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<muppis>
flashplugin-nonfree (10.0.1.218+really9.0.277.0ubuntu1) [multiverse] [security] -- This should fit for you.
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<muppis>
Does apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree say anything?
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<talntid>
http://pastebin.com/jpfyD21T
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<muppis>
Looks good.
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But doesn't install it in chroot?
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<alkisg>
hardy security updates should have 10.1
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<talntid>
crap. my bad.
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i had exited the chroot
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it shows nothing
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<muppis>
It's ok.
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<talntid>
aand the sources.list only had 2 lines
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universe
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<muppis>
so, you might got it now?
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<talntid>
i'll clone the sources.list from the server :)
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now i feel silly.
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<muppis>
Happens to me every day.
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But now I gotta get some sleep.
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<talntid>
thanks!
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<Blinny>
How can I ltsp-build-client --dist lucid on my Hardy server if /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/lucid doesn't exist?
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<alkisg>
Blinny, why don't you copy the chroot from the edubuntu live dvd?
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It'll be much easier... or you could use the alternate cd, install to a spare PC, and copy that instead.
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<alkisg>
Blinny: also, it'll be much easier to just try with a newer kernel, instead of a lucid chroot
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<Blinny>
alkisg: Such as, boot from live dvd, cp -R /* /opt/ltsp/i386/ ?
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<alkisg>
If a newer kernel fixes your problem, then there's no need to change the chroot
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<alkisg>
Something like that - there's only the i386.img there (or amd64.img) so it needs to be uncompressed too.
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<Blinny>
Well I was shooting for the chroot because not only do the boots crap 80% of the time, but this board doesn't work with the intel xserver either - defaults back to vesa.
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<alkisg>
A kernel issue again
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So I'd just try a newer kernel for starters.
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Try downloading the lucid kernel and installing it to the chroot.
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<Blinny>
How'd I do that? chroot /opt/ltsp/i386, then update sources.list, then update & install linux-image-generic?
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<alkisg>
You can either add some ppa or install the .deb manually
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<Blinny>
Do you think update-kernels will find that new kernel?
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Also, I don't see -modules. I'm looking here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.33.5-lucid/
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<alkisg>
No don't use that ppa, there's no need
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Get the lucid package instead
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packages.ubuntu.com ...etc
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ltsp-update-kernels just copies the chroot/boot directory to tftp, so yup, it'll get that new kernel
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<Blinny>
OK, thank you. I'll have at it.
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I'm seeing it needs to update libc6 to do the install. I can recall from my kernel compiling days that this could be A Big Deal.
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<alkisg>
Hmmm no clues there. OK, if that doesn't work try the "installing lucid with the alternate cd in a vbox and copying the chroot" method instead.
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(I've installed newer kernels but they never asked for a libc6 upgrade)
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<Blinny>
Fun.
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<talntid>
hen setting up to run localapps, i followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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i dont see a localapps menu, and firefox doesnt appear to be running locally. ideas?
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<alkisg>
!localxterm
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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<alkisg>
talntid: does that work? ^^^
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<talntid>
checking
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command not found
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<alkisg>
? which command?
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<talntid>
ltsp-localapps
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<alkisg>
Which distro/version is that?
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<talntid>
ubunto 8.04 hardy
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<alkisg>
Ah, forget about it
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<talntid>
oh? :(
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<alkisg>
It doesn't have good support for localapps
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Hmmm let me see the ppa..
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!stgraber-ppa
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" :: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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<Blinny>
Did they ditch the separate -modules package for lucid?
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<alkisg>
talntid: that ppa has 5.1.88-0ubuntu1~ppa1~hardy1 - which one do you have currently? 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu7 ?
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<talntid>
i do not know how to tell
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<alkisg>
dpkg -l ltsp-server
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<talntid>
dpkg -l ltsp-server
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Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
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| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
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|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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||/ Name Version Description
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+++-=================-=================-==================================================
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ii ltsp-server 5.1.29-0ubuntu3 Basic LTSP server environment
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err sorry for spam paste
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<alkisg>
talntid: do you have a "localapps" command?
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<talntid>
no
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command not found
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<alkisg>
Urm... anyway
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I think that to use localapps you should put that ppa to your sources
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How much RAM do your clients have?
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<talntid>
512
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800mhz, 512 ram
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<alkisg>
Firefox won't be very fast with that. Workable, but maybe slower than it is now.
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<talntid>
flash is killing my server current;y
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<alkisg>
Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=true ?
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<alkisg>
!flash
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "flash" :: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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<talntid>
no, i don't
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i will add it
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flash performance, i don't care about. but it is taking up most of the server resources
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<alkisg>
It's a speed vs security setting
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<talntid>
added it
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<alkisg>
With LDM_DIRECTX=true sshd isn't using all the server cpu, but if anyone is sniffing on the network he can intercept keystrokes etc
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<talntid>
that'as ok
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in order for that to take effect, i just restart all the clients, correct?
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<alkisg>
Try rebooting a client and running flash, it should be much better.
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Yes
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<talntid>
roger that. checking
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<alkisg>
...in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, with the following contents:
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[Default]
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LDM_DIRECTX=True
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<talntid>
yep, added it
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rebooting
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<talntid>
got slightly faster
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but now, i'm going to figure out how to upgrade it to 10.04 :)
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from 8.04
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normally, easy. but this is in a virtualized environment
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<Lns>
talntid: shouldn't be too big of a problem
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<talntid>
care to lend a second set of eyes? :)
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<alkisg>
(12:56:39 πμ) talntid: got slightly faster ==> that shouldn't be the case
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It should be something like, with LDM_DIRECTX=100% cpu and 2 fps, without it = 10% cpu and 20 fps
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I.e. more than 1000% performance boost
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<talntid>
I don't know how to measure the FPS on it
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I could use glxgears I suppose? :)
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<alkisg>
Not really, it's difficult to have remote 3d acceleration
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But with a simple `top` on the server you should be seeing a great difference on cpu usage
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<alkisg>
I.e. before == e.g. 20% cpu per client for sshd, after == no sshd cpu usage at all
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<mil132>
I am haveing an issue where I try to login from the thin clients, it looks like its logging in, but then goes back to the login screen, any ideas?
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<alkisg>
!compiz
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<alkisg>
mil132: that's a common cause for the symptom you're describing...
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<mil132>
cool, thanks!
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do I drop that whole line into the term on server
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<alkisg>
Yup
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<mil132>
whoa
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i do ltsp-update-client now right?
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or is that not nessesary
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<alkisg>
No, just a logoff on the thin client
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(and logon thereafter)
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<mil132>
ok
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let me give it a try
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no joy
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briefly gave me a desktop image but then back to the login screen
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<alkisg>
OK, check ~/.xsession-errors for that user
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!restore_compiz
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "restore_compiz" :: if you disabled compiz by running the command suggested by the !compiz factoid, and you want to revert the change, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components
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<alkisg>
(and if you want, restore compiz when you're done debugging this)
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<mil132>
what should I be looking for in the xsession-errors file?
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<alkisg>
The last lines there, any possible errors...
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If it doesn't have anything sensitive, you may pastebin it as well
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<mil132>
there seems to be a lot of errors
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here is the error... http://123.writeboard.com/d78347befbd486781
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if it asks for a pass it is 12345
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<alkisg>
!pastebot
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<mil132>
cool, just did it
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<alkisg>
OK - sorry gotta go, it's too late here, hopefully some other may be able to help. Good night all...
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