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I'm having a problem on gnome + ltsp - if I use the locking application, then I can't unlock the thin client as it thinks the password is wrong (it's not :) )
could it be looking at the thin client's /etc/password somehow by mistake?
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Hello, quick question: do I get any performance benefits if the server is command line only? (i.e. X not loaded)
din_os, if nobody is logged in it will only cost you a tiny bit of ram
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a-ha. bad shadowfile permissions
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can someone help me?
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i have a question about ltsp
alkisg: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
i have a linux debian stable...with four thin clients...
the server is running...but i have a problem with some applications for the clients
i want, that the thin client-users can only use a part of applications and not all...
can anybody tell me, what i could do?
Syntony: I think your question is too vague
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"only a part of applications" ==> what does this mean? Give a real example.
it's a project,...so that terminalusers, only could use application like office, vlc, firefox and adobe
You mean that you want the users to be able to only run specific applications?
OK, first of all, this isn't LTSP specific
It's a general debian question, you can ask it e.g. in #debian
Second, I don't think it's a good idea...
(I'm a teacher myself)
There's no proper way to restrict students to a specific set of apps, independed of the OS
You can't stop a user from downloading an app from the internet and running it
(unless of course you cut all access to the internet, to floppies, cds etc)
okay...that not my problem :)...they should use the internet, but they should habe only read and excute-rights
the project is just for an analysing
I've seen many windows apps & frameworks that try to do that, but I've seen noone succeed so far. None.
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For Linux, I haven't even seen anyone try to do it... I haven't looked too well, though, as I don't need it.
hmm...okay...could u say me, how can i modify the desktop of the terminal-clients
What do you mean "the desktop" ? The wallpaper?
no no not the wallpaper :)
the desktop...the GUI (like KDE,GNOME...) @ the beginning
i hope u know what i mean :)
my english is not the best :)
the gdm screen
or the login screen
i'm using kde
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can u tell, which path i must enter?
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to get a localapp, one needs to build in chroot?
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hey - I was poking around karmic's upstart dir in the chroot yesterday -> I think there's a bunch of stuff in there that is not needed or can cause problems -like mountall.conf
are the init scripts all native upstart in karmic?
tho, Im not sure whether post-initramfs, there would be new events that would trigger things
johnny: seems most are
in the karmic chroot
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mountall is essential
it cares for all the virtual filesystems
Gadi, we should probably rewrite our init scripts
I thought everything is mounted in initramfs already
fedora and ubuntu can probably share the same
no, the mountall issue is surely a race
before init kicks in
oh.. it sucks .. cuz ubuntu doesn't use dracut yet..
uggh.. share share share
only a few things are mounted in initramfs
ogra: race between what and what?
ltsp_nbd and mountall i guess
i havent found the time to debug yet
but, mountall isnt run until the rootfs, no?
is mountall run in the initramfs?
i dont think it is
right - so, ltsp_nbd mounts everything and then the rootfs kicks in and upstart triggers mountall.conf
my question is - why have mountall.conf at all in a chroot?
ltsp_nbd doesnt mount *everything*
everything is mounted
what else needs mounting?
ltsp_nbd mounts the rootfs, nothing more
udev will trigger ltspfs mounts
severl things under /sys
and the sshfs mounts are handled by ldm
severl things under /var
what we need to do is port our stuff to upstart properly
not the other way round
that's what i said :)
now.. how much can we share with fedora..
it would help to know what needs porting
ltsp-client and ltsp-client-setup for sure
right - but, that doesnt fix the race condition
would be nice to find a way to do less overriding in ltsp-init-common
Gadi, they are different probs
sure it does..
magic i say!
Gadi, the race needs more investigation and proper logs and debugging info first
someone needs to dive deep into initramfs and look whats actually happening and why
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hey guys. I am having a strange problem using an external dhcp server to pxeboot some clients. The DHCP server is an old one running 2.0pl5-11woody. I am getting errors on the new ltsp server (running Ubuntu 9.04) in /var/log/daemon.log stating "tftp: client does not accept options". Is this a discrepancy between the two versions? I am seeing that the client is pulling all the files in /var/log/daemon.log (tftpd was started with -vvv), and it hangs at RRQ
filename /ltsp/i386/initrd.img with a kernel panic "can't open /tab/net/eth0.conf"
sorry, mis-typed. The last error is "can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf"
_UsUrPeR_: try adding: nbdroot=<ip_of_ltsp_server>:2000 to your pxelinux.cfg/default file
(on the same line as "quiet splash"
Gadi: thanks. I'll give that a shot
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Gadi: no dice. Added nbdroot=10.70.88.1:2000 after quiet splash. Still hangs with kernel panick
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alkisg, hey.. you ever have any problems with dnsmasq tftp server and clients not getting lts.conf ?
Hi johnny. Not exactly. I have this problem when I'm using IPAPPEND 3
Then ipconfig doesn't get a "filename" so it can't find lts.conf in the usual location,
and a symlink is needed from /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf to the actual location
i never use IPAPPEND
Other than that, no, I didn't have any problems. Is that Ubuntu?
Try break=mount (or premount? not sure...) and do cat /tmp/net-eth0.conf
i've had this problem since hardy
See the filename there...
Also post your dnsmasq.conf, maybe there's some setting wrong...
I'm using dnsmasq since hardy, no problems at all (but I do always have that symlink)
i'll try the symlink
Here's the .conf file I use: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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johnny: the ipconfig client sends "Linux ipconfig" as the vendor identifier
So you need to send a filename in that case
That's why it doesn't work for you...
...if you put the symlink, it'll work though. So either fix dnsmasq.conf, or make the symlink
johnny: also, in Karmic udhcpc is used, and it sends another vendor id...
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do you have examples for those alkisg ?
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No, I always send the same filename, so I don't prefix it with a vendor id
I guess something like this would work:
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and (sorry, *before* that): dhcp-boot=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0,....
I.e. ALWAYS send ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0, but override it with nbi.img for etherboot clients
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why sometimes the sound doesnt work in server
and i have to reboot to it works again
i go to sound preferences and i cannot test the sound, getting an error
coordinador: might be better to ask that in a linux/sound specific channel
ok, thank you
Still having problems with using an external DHCP server for booting clients. It's dhcp version is 2.0pl5-11woody, and upon boot of a client, it's crashing to a kernel panic "can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf". I tried Gadi's suggestion, but the results are the same.
I also took a look in here, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/365380 , but nothing was helpful :(
that looks more like an issue with your NIC driver than dhcp related at all
ogra: It's possible I suppose. These are older units being re-used.
gonna have to rebuild your initramfs with the proper drivers i bet
pci cards ?
ogra: however, when booting off an internal DHCP server, instead of using the external dhcp server, everything works fine
ogra: I am not sure if they're PCI cards or not.
are you sure you get the same kernel and initramfs from both ?
ogra: I guess I'm not. Where would it pick up different kernel/initramfs files from? There's only one ltsp server on their network and it's the one I'm working on...
no idea, but it sounds like you are getting a different kernel/initramfs from the woody server
if it has next-server.. then that shouldn't happen
does the next-server directive point to your ltsp server ?
/me pokes ogra
ogra: here's the dhcpd.conf addition I put in: http://pastebin.com/m66c0604c
next-server points to eth0 of the ltsp server which is running ubuntu 9.04
hmm, should work then
I just tried to shut off eth1 on the ltsp server to make sure there was no issues with that
ogra: notice I had to remove the if>then statement about nbi.img because it was not supported with the woody dhcp version
is woody even supported anymore?
_UsUrPeR_, i'm gonna hack your woody server..
i'm sure you're vulnerable to any number of hacks now
johnny: I'm pretty sure this is the oldest server I have worked on in a long time
_UsUrPeR_, perhaps the problem is a bug in the code..
however, this is a simple internal DHCP server\
perhaps you should upgrade it
johnny: I agree. it needs to be upgraded.
that's not quite an option at the moment, but it needs to be done for sure
_UsUrPeR_: did you restart dhcp3-server?
Gadi: after removing eth1, i rebooted the server and re-built the image
so yeah :)
also: external server has been restarted
no, I meant on the dhcp server
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and, I assume you turned off the dhcp server on the ltsp server
hi some guide or howto for select other X enviroment apart of gnome some more ligth
_UsUrPeR_: do you see any error messages *before* the "cannot open /tmp/net-eth0.conf" line?
ipconfig should complain if it cannot create the net-eth0 file e.g. due to not contacting a dhcp server...
(btw, what distro/version is the LTSP server?)
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Do the clients have only 1 nic? Or they have 2?
alkisg: the problem it has prior to that is the client cannot restart eth0 after it initially disconnects
after the initial tftp transfer
Erm what? What's the actual error message there?
Are you near the client? If so, you could put e.g. break=mount, and try some commands there...
alkisg: I am not. This is at a remote site
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still have problem with my network printer and localapp. can somebody help?
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Im gonna say.... maybe
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wait, is the answer multiple choice?
can I phone a friend?
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and another one: can I have one client boot from my ltsp/dhcp server and all others ignore the server?
turn off network boot..
cliebow slaps Gadi with a trout queen..98 pounds worth..while she holds the airplane door closed with her toes
ohh..i forget Gadi wasnt there
johnny: I am not controlling that
then tell your dns server to only offer it to those macs
read the dhcp docs
johnny: yes I know and I have done that.
well there ya go..
but I understand that this is a specific configuration for a certain client and not an exclusion for all others
that's how it should work
fasthans: you should deny unknown clients in your subnet declaration, and add a specific reservation for that host in the group section
fasthans: if the client has a boot medium (floppy, cd, hd) you can put gpxe and boot it without dhcp at all
alkisg: ok. that would be possible. would a usb stick work aswell?
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alkisg: is gpxe the term I need to search for. or do you have a link for me?
Go to rom-o-matic, select the usb as an output medium, select "all drivers", and press "customize" to put the needed code for booting there
alkisg: "gpxe" is the successor to etherboot. You can find it at: http://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php
alkisg: Error: "rom-o-matic" is not a valid command.
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alkisg: ltspbot: fasthans overflow...
You can download the needed software from there: http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-0.9.9/contrib/rom-o-matic/
thanks. very much alkisg
and ltspbot also
fasthans: you'll need to put a small script with the ip address of your server
ltspbot is a bot, not a person
alkisg, we need to get that menu thing in ubuntu by default..
well tks anyway
johnny: menu thing?
the pxe boot menu
Ah. Unfortunately it doesn't work with gpxe, so I don't care much about it...
I'm waiting for grub to have full pxe support, so that we can use it to boot any local os / partition etc
i thought you had done some boot menu with some pxe thing already
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There's the pxe boot menu (the one dnsmasq sends), which can offer a simple "local boot", there's the pxelinux menu, which can boot any local partition with chain.c32, and there's grub2, which will be able to boot anything (e.g. a menu entry for "search and load windows vista" will be possible)
I've done my menus with the first 2 ways, but they're not as powerful as grub2 will be, when it has pxe support
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don't know if ill be around much for next few days
dad in hospital
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sbalneav: I need some help with sabayon on netbooks. I have used it to set up my profiles. It's difficult due to the screen size of the netbook...I have a hard time seeing everything in the sabayon instance of the screen. My issue is openoffice. I must have opened OO under sabayon at one point...now all my users in OO get a message about sabayon-admin using their settings...I can't seem to make it go away
sbalneav: How can I get in on the CLI and delete .openoffice for the sabayon-admin? I've tried it in sabayon and when I save I get an error...hence it doesn't save
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dtrask, run the admin on a different computer...
thing is.. you sholdn't have that OOo issue .. it should be fine
must be a bug..
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can I run a windows application in wine and deliver it to X# of end users
to clarify can I deliver it to X# through LTSP sessions
anyone feel free
the suck part is that you have to do it for each user
hi johnny have you had to do something like this
i just know you can
"do it" ?
install wine for each user
install the applications for each user
you mean run the installer under each user home
wine doesn't let you install apps globally yet
it's a problem with wine
you dont have to install "wine" but the app over and over... maybe a script!
ill give it a go
johnny: How do i run the admin on another computer? It's a netbook...not a thin-client
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johnny: the netbook has 3 users....student, teacher, and an admin user
student and teacher are the affected accounts
johnny: even deleting the .openoffice files for student and teacher doesn't work
sbalneav: are you around?
what i mean is create the the profile on another computer dtrask
and then copy it over
so you don't try to cram 3 levels of menus on such a small screen
dtrask, start over with the profile if sbalneav isn't around..
it's UNR which is even worse
but sabayon is supposed to help you with OOo :(
sounds like a bug
johnny: where does the profile live? I could edit it on the CLI perhaps
johnny: thx for the location....I fixed the issue by unzipping both profiles and deleting the offending .openoffice.org directory and then zipping them back up.....worked like a charm
johnny: so essentially the profiles are the zip files in /etc/desktop-profiles?
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I had ltsp working fine on ubuntu jaunty. Now, after a power failure, my client loads the kernel but hangs after IP-Config: eth0 link up 100Mbps
not sure where to look...
jrdavid: any messages other than that? Are you near the server?
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There were no other messages *after* that. Yeah, I'm near the server. But I got figured it out.
I had another DHCP server on the network (my router).
It turns out the power failure had nothing to do with it.
It was just the first time my client booted since I had installed the router.
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need help anybody there
whenever i change the base dir of ltsp from /opt/ltsp to /opt/thinsys my users can not login. by the way m using Deb lenny
don't know why is it so
Lots of reasons
First question is: why change it.
You'll need to look at your nfs exports
yeah its fine
i can paste it on pastebin if it is requrired
Why do you need to change it?
Does it boot when you change it? Just not log in?
because i don't want it to be look like this
Don't want it to look like WHAT?
What you don't like the name LTSP?
sbalneav: actually i want to hide it from my fellow administrators