Maijin, did you put the LDM_DIRECTX=True?
You can also set color depth to 16, will save RAM
I don't remember but I think it was uncomment after the "ltsp-config lts.conf --overwrite"
Also it's good to find out why it's slow. It's not necessarily the client, you can check that by watching cpu/ram usage in a terminal on the client
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
It could be slow because of the network as well. If it's not gigabit, thin clients suffer. It could also be a hub or switch that's malfunctioning.
I have tried with xfce it's a bit better
Are you using thin or fat clients?
Hyperbyte: thin client
well, I'll check tomorrow more
thanks for the help :)
gbaman: you can talk to me here.
Ok, any reason you might see that LTSP could interfere with a udev rule stored in /etc/udev/rules.d that works perfectly fine on standalone Raspbian, but not on LTSP. The rule sets a kernel device up as owned by the gpio group, but in all my testing, it is always owned by root
The rule being "SUBSYSTEM=="bcm2835-gpiomem", KERNEL=="gpiomem", GROUP="gpio", MODE="0660""
i don't see any way any ltspfs rules would interfere with that.
if you're really concerned, uninstall ltspfs to check.
That going to break LTSP then?
ltspfs won't work, sure.
but i'm not suggesting to solve your problem, i'm suggesting a troubleshooting step
if you still have the problem after purging ltspfs*, then it's obviously not ltspfs, and ltspfs is the only thing that messes with udev rules in LTSP
Chroot says ltspfs isn't actually installed
check for other packages with ltspfs in the name...
Unfortunately that didn't fix it
Maijin, thin client runs all software on the server, not on the client. If it's faster with XFCE than Gnome, that might suggest it's your server that's being slow.
gbaman: depends on your perspective, it means i'm off the hook! :P
Maijin, although it could have to do with graphical effects as well in Gnome, why XFCE is faster.
Well, never know, could be something else hidden in there breaking it vagrantc that is LTSPs fault :D
gbaman: unsubstantiated theories
Hyperbyte: Will investigate tomorrow
Maijin, sure. I'm going to bed. :-)
|02:31||vagrantc has left IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@unaffiliated/vagrantc, Quit: leaving)|
vagrantc: Cracked it, was slightly LTSPs fault. The actual group wasn't in the chroot. It was on the server, and the users were all members of it, but it wasn't in the chroot. Even when added to the chroot, of course the IDs are then out of sync.
|03:10||Hec-THor has joined IRC (Hec-THor!bdd478ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.104.22.168)|
|03:12||Hec-THor has left IRC (Hec-THor!bdd478ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.22.214.171.124, Client Quit)|
|04:37||cyberorg has joined IRC (cyberorg!~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg)|
|05:06||warren has left IRC (warren!~warren@fedora/wombat/warren, Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)|
|05:25||adrianorg has left IRC (email@example.com, Ping timeout: 260 seconds)|
|05:27||adrianorg has joined IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org)|
|05:38||Fenuks has joined IRC (Fenuks!~Fenuks@126.96.36.199)|
|05:44||alkisg_away is now known as alkis|
|05:44||alkis is now known as alkisg|
gbaman: ltsp does name mapping, not UID mapping, so if that doesn't work for you maybe you have an older ltsp version in the chroot
|06:32||ricotz has joined IRC (ricotz!~ricotz@ubuntu/member/ricotz)|
|06:42||warren has joined IRC (warren!~warren@fedora/wombat/warren)|
|06:43||warren has left IRC (warren!~warren@fedora/wombat/warren, Client Quit)|
|06:44||warren has joined IRC (warren!~warren@fedora/wombat/warren)|
|06:45||warren has left IRC (warren!~warren@fedora/wombat/warren, Client Quit)|
|06:46||warren has joined IRC (warren!~warren@fedora/wombat/warren)|
|07:22||mikkel has joined IRC (email@example.com)|
|07:34||vmlintu has joined IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org)|
|07:45||robb_nl has joined IRC (email@example.com)|
|08:02||Softeisbieger has joined IRC (Softeisbieger!~Softeisbi@dsl-217-167-236.pool.bitel.net)|
|09:12||alper has joined IRC (alper!58e0cf0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.8.131.52)|
|09:13||alper is now known as otuzoglu|
i ve a problem with pinet
when i prepare sd card, it cant boo
is there any one
I do not know about 'pinet', but I do know about these similar topics: 'paste'
|09:14||mikkel has left IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org, Ping timeout: 255 seconds)|
raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
The first two methods are supported here
For the 3rd method of installing ltsp in raspberry pi, gbaman said that if he's not answering here, the users should mail him instead
|09:20||otuzoglu has left IRC (otuzoglu!58e0cf0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.108.40.206, Ping timeout: 252 seconds)|
|09:26||heinz2k has joined IRC (heinz2k!8d4181f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.127.116.11)|
Hello, is there anybody how knows under which license the LTSP brand logo is published ?
|09:28||ioanzeliou has joined IRC (ioanzeliou!c23fefed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.104.22.168)|
|09:28||mikkel has joined IRC (email@example.com)|
|09:28||ioanzeliou has left IRC (ioanzeliou!c23fefed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.22.214.171.124, Client Quit)|
|09:28||ioanzeliou has joined IRC (ioanzeliou!c23fefed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.126.96.36.199)|
|09:29||ioanzeliou has left IRC (ioanzeliou!c23fefed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.8.131.52, Client Quit)|
jammcq: it was creative commons, wasn't it?
The contest for the logo...
|09:30||uXus has left IRC (uXus!~uXus@184.108.40.206, Quit: ail bi bek)|
So its free to use ?
|09:37||uXus has joined IRC (uXus!~uXus@220.127.116.11)|
heinz2k: try to send a mail to the ltsp-discuss or ltsp-developers mailing list to get the answer from the copyright holders
It seems they're not here right now
Thank you ill try this
heinz2k: here's the contest page: http://web.archive.org/web/20090117062958/http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/ltspContest.html
|10:28||gvy has joined IRC (gvy!~mike@altlinux/developer/mike)|
|10:47||Phantomas has joined IRC (Phantomas!~ftsamis@ubuntu/member/phantomas)|
|10:50||Faith has joined IRC (Faith!~paty_@unaffiliated/faith)|
|11:34||heinz2k has left IRC (heinz2k!8d4181f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.104.22.168, Quit: Page closed)|
|11:57||alkisg is now known as alkisg_away|
|12:11||Faith has left IRC (Faith!~paty_@unaffiliated/faith, Quit: Leaving)|
|12:40||gbaman has left IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org, Ping timeout: 255 seconds)|
|13:20||robb_nl has left IRC (email@example.com, Ping timeout: 240 seconds)|
|13:47||gvy has left IRC (gvy!~mike@altlinux/developer/mike, Quit: Leaving)|
|14:44||Fenuks has left IRC (Fenuks!~Fenuks@22.214.171.124, Ping timeout: 245 seconds)|
|15:10||mikkel has left IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org, Quit: Leaving)|
|15:44||dtcrshr has joined IRC (dtcrshr!~datacrush@2801:88:f7a:100:240:a7ff:fe2d:d7c0)|
|15:44||dtcrshr has joined IRC (dtcrshr!~datacrush@unaffiliated/datacrusher)|
|16:15||gbaman has joined IRC (email@example.com)|
|16:30||benG__ has joined IRC (benG__!~Ben@126.96.36.199)|
|16:47||MRH3 has joined IRC (MRH3!~Thunderbi@188.8.131.52.in-addr.arpa)|
|16:48||MRH3 is now known as MRH2|
|17:02||robb_nl has joined IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org)|
|17:07||MRH2 has left IRC (MRH2!~Thunderbi@184.108.40.206.in-addr.arpa, Quit: MRH2)|
|17:25||vagrantc has joined IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@unaffiliated/vagrantc)|
|17:30||benG__ has left IRC (benG__!~Ben@220.127.116.11, Ping timeout: 240 seconds)|
|17:31||alkisg_away is now known as alkisg|
vagrantc: if you could test the relative xorg patch, it'd be nice... it works for me... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/816139
I pushed the pending patch for ldm, I don't think I have anything else pending
alkisg: i am fairly confident it only works because the configuration is ignored
can you confirm that it actually reads the configuration file when done that way?
I'll try tomorrow, I'm connected via VNC now and I don't think vbox will support running xorg as root, I'll need real hardware
i suppose i need to get some hardware with dual video outputs
i guess in theory most laptops these days should work... ?
Yup. Also vbox supports multiple screens, maybe kvm does too...
vagrantc: I can try with a relative xorg when running as root, will that help?
(i.e. inside vbox...)
alkisg: i'll see if i can reproduce it... it's been long on my todo list, LTSP just keeps getting back-burnered
alkisg: i guess you could grep the Xorg.log file for which config file it used (or refused to use)
I think I tested it before writing it to the bug report
It's been a long time though so I forgot what test I made
I'll test once more... :)
the problem is running as a user, as kiosk mode runs as the user
I can't run xorg as user currently, vbox doesn't provide a kvm module
That's the part that I was saying that I can't test (again) until tomorrow
|17:45||* vagrantc nods|
i'd like to test it myself, see what i can manage
|17:47||SheerLucidity614 has joined IRC (SheerLucidity614!~SheerLuci@rrcs-108-169-162-86.central.biz.rr.com)|
vagrantc: oh well. Trying locally in a 16.04 system without ltsp. xorg -config /absolute/path works without complains :)
They must have realized it's a lame check...!
hope so, always thought it was silly.
|18:12||* vagrantc will give it a whirl today|
well, without any patches, i can get kiosk to fail to bring up X ... not sure if it's using a config file or not
|18:25||* vagrantc tries with something that will force the xorg.conf creation|
well, i can't get kiosk mode to work with or without an xorg.conf in debian stretch/testing
with either the cirrus or qxl drivers
xorg in stretch runs as the user when available, right?
I don't remember when cirrus kms support was/is to be released...
and much to my surprise, gnome3 works, but gnome-classic doesn't ... still!
works fine with LDM
|18:35||* vagrantc will check with XRANDR_DISABLE=true X_MODE_0=640x480|
that forces a configuration file to be used
yup, that works too
alkisg: my analysis is that the original bug is gone, but kiosk mode is completely broken now.
will see if i can reproduce with jessie/stable
vagrantc: are you using ldm/ltsp from trunk? or some older versions?
not from trunk, wanted to reproduce with older versions first
whatever the last tagged version uploaded to debian
ldm 2.2.17-1 and ltsp 5.5.5-1
I wonder if -trunk solves the gnome classic issues
that would be nice.
I do think it's lame that `startx` doesn't work anymore, and people need to set XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP and a lot of other variables before launching a session...
what is the update-kernels code in init-ltsp.d about?
i'm diffing 5.5.5 to trunk
oh, was that your raspberry pi hacks to update the kernel image at boot?
Of course it's handy for other cases too
Or NICs that ipxe doesn't support
ok, i guess i'll just build -trunk packages and see if everything's still broken :)
i guess i could also check jessie+backports ...
Will the new ltsp release be backported to jessie?
alkisg: in general, i always intend to keep jessie-backports up to date ... though i apparently went an entire release cycle without doing so :)
i don't think i did any wheezy-backports ...
that was more due to lack of motivation than lack of intent
|18:57||gbaman has left IRC (email@example.com, Ping timeout: 255 seconds)|
I like the idea of backports, it'd be very nice if backported ltsp versions were available in the ubuntuxxx-backports repository...
|19:21||gbaman has joined IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org)|
vagrant: usb drives work in ubuntu when non-privileged users are enabled in fuse.conf (even though the users aren't in the fuse group)
fuse group is, as far as i know, irrelevent in modern installations
alkisg: how do backports work in ubuntu?
what do you mean?
vagrantc: there's the SRU process for backporting bug fixes, and there's the ubuntuversion-backports repository for whole packages, but while it's enabled by default, one has to explicitly request a package to be installed from it
alkisg: well, with the patch suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/816139 i see no change in behavior
Unfortunately there's too much bureaucracy and I haven't seen many backported applications
alkisg: but i don't think the problem it allegedly solved actually exists anymore.
vagrantc: then let's ignore it and spend time in more productive bugs :)
KISOK is broken in all cases now
Meh, it was broken from 2008 to 2013 too, so no big deal :P
it worked in some cases
alkisg: so, testing ltsp-trunk... no obvious problems so far ... what should i expect to be fixed?
vagrantc: gnome classic login?
|20:16||johannes__ has joined IRC (johannes__!~Softeisbi@dsl94-146-240.pool.bitel.net)|
alkisg: i'll build LDM now and test that
|20:18||Softeisbieger has left IRC (Softeisbieger!~Softeisbi@dsl-217-167-236.pool.bitel.net, Ping timeout: 276 seconds)|
gnome-keyring won't be generating thousand of temp files
memtest86 should work
HOSTS_MY_OTHER_SERVER=xx and other lts.conf variables should allow text instead of just _01
|20:57||gbaman has left IRC (email@example.com, Remote host closed the connection)|
|21:14||robb_nl has left IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org, Quit: I'm gone, bye bye)|
|21:16||gbaman has joined IRC (email@example.com)|
|21:49||gbaman has left IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org, Remote host closed the connection)|
|21:54||ricotz has left IRC (ricotz!~ricotz@ubuntu/member/ricotz, Quit: Leaving)|
|22:00||fnurl has left IRC (fnurl!3cf8605f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.18.104.22.168, Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)|
|22:00||fnurl has joined IRC (fnurl!3cf8605f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.22.214.171.124)|
|22:05||alkisg is now known as alkisg_away|
|22:25||Phantomas has left IRC (Phantomas!~ftsamis@ubuntu/member/phantomas, Quit: Leaving.)|
alkisg_away: well, looks like the login field is wider... that's the first thing i notice
and gnome-classic works again
and gnome3 works too
|22:40||vmlintu has left IRC (email@example.com, Ping timeout: 256 seconds)|
|23:00||donjon has left IRC (donjon!c820ec0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.126.96.36.199, Ping timeout: 252 seconds)|
|23:22||gbaman has joined IRC (firstname.lastname@example.org)|