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Channel log from 11 June 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<skyion>
hello guys, does anyone have any idea why a usb device wouldnt work on a ltsp client.
02:09
:)
02:17
<vagrantc>
skyion: which linux distro? which ltsp version?
02:23
<skyion>
ubuntu 7.10
02:23
ltsp v5
02:23
when you plug the device in it doesnt show on the dmesg
02:23
on the client console.
02:23
<vagrantc>
hm.
02:24
ubuntu 7.10 ... that's to be released .. october 2007 ? :P
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<skyion>
i mean 7.04
02:31
feisty :)
02:32
<vagrantc>
so, does this usb stick work on a regular ubuntu install ?
02:32
oh wait, i can't get involved in troubleshooting right now ...
02:32
long story
02:33
<skyion>
:|
02:37
ok, it shows up on the server dmesg
02:37
but not in gnome
03:08
:|
03:08
where to from heer?
03:09
*here
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<Paul_UK>
hey guys, as i understand it. LTSP is using X encrypted by SSH. Is there anyway to use NX protocol or VNC?
03:46
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: write a screen script that does it
03:47
Paul_UK: look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d for examples
03:48
<Paul_UK>
vagrantc, thanks. but i take it thats a yes, but for vnc or nx?
03:48
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: yes.
03:49
gadi also probably already has some scripts ...
03:49
<Paul_UK>
i'll take it as a yes for both :)
03:49
<vagrantc>
right
03:49
<Paul_UK>
with both vnc and nx server, sound is still 2 way?
03:49
<vagrantc>
people have done both, as far as i'm aware.
03:50
no idea on the sound stuff
03:50
<Burgundavia>
hey vagrantc
03:51
how is spain?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: debian-edu is etch-based.
04:26
ogra: that's why they use the esd stuff
04:27* vagrantc is still stuck in france :(
04:27
<ogra>
i just wanted to point out that it changed :)
04:27
gah
04:27
silly brits
04:27
<vagrantc>
they don't know what they're missing
04:27* ogra is done with the client side of nbd/union/squashfs
04:28
<ogra>
just need the server script for inetd and an update-image script
04:28
<vagrantc>
i'm getting the classic hand-off ... immagrations says i need a visa, and the UK embassy says i don't, so "just try again and be really convincing"
04:28
<ogra>
yeah, its very unlikely that you as american should need a visa for GB
04:29
<vagrantc>
if i try again, hopefully they don't lock me up or something ...
04:29
<ogra>
heh, for what ?
04:30
<vagrantc>
well, remember where i come from...
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<ogra>
vagrantc, didnt you say you merged gadis directx stuff in mainline ?
04:30
i dont see it in my merge
04:30
<envite>
Hello all from Spain
04:30
Hola a todos desde España
04:31
<vagrantc>
ah spain, a language where i can stumble through the language!
04:31
er, country
04:31
not like france.
04:32
ogra: it's definitely present in vagrant-ltsp-mainline ...
04:32
<ogra>
vagrantc, also when does ltsp_config get read? can i abuse CONFIGURE_X to supress X detection ?
04:32
<vagrantc>
ogra: and it's present in gutsy-ltsp as of revision 348
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04:32
<vagrantc>
ogra: i think CONFIGURE_X=False should disable X detection, yes.
04:33
<ogra>
oooh, blind me :)
04:33
even if X is installed ?
04:33
<vagrantc>
if not, it's a bug
04:33
<ogra>
ah, k
04:34
<vagrantc>
ogra: hrm.
04:34
ogra: doesn't look like you merged the ltsp_config stuff
04:34
<Paul_UK>
vagrantc, you coming to the UK, if you are america, you dont need a visa
04:34
<ogra>
wow, then i only need to change root_write_method for the nbd implementation
04:34
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: yeah, tell that the the UK border control
04:34
<ogra>
vagrantc, i just did
04:34
it isnt uploaded yet
04:34
<vagrantc>
ogra: ah.
04:35
<Paul_UK>
vagrantc, hehe.. when I goto the US, i *dont* need a visa. I use a visa waiver form and I am entitled to 3 months in the US.
04:35
its the same for americans coming here
04:35
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: yeah, well... i've been denied once already
04:35* vagrantc contemplates a second try
04:35
<Paul_UK>
vagrantc: how come
04:36
vagrantc: do you want to stay here more than 3months?
04:36
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: failure to provide any documentation other than a passport, pretty much
04:36
i think they thought i was gonna steal UK jobs, too.
04:36
<ogra>
vagrantc, so we will have nbd root, automatic nbd swap from initramfs if the client has less than 48M and the lts.conf via tftp
04:37
i wonder how to write the server side ... i'd like to have it as flexible as possible ...
04:37
<vagrantc>
ogra: regarding: if [ -z "$CONFIGURE_X" ] && [ -x /usr/bin/X ]; then
04:37
<ogra>
i.er. building the image name from root-path
04:37
and using the same oin the server indeed
04:37
<Paul_UK>
vagrantc: LOL, the polish, russians and everyone from Europe comes over to work here
04:39
vagrantc, if you coming here for under 3 months, you dont need a visa. just a passport and proof that you will be flying back within that time. its as simple as that, i dont care what anyone else would say.
04:39
i know, because i've been to the US 8 times now heh
04:40
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: well, tell that to the border control.
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<ogra>
vagrantc, configure_printer should move to ltsp-client
04:42
from -setup
04:42
<vagrantc>
ogra: fine by me
04:42
<ogra>
it just slows down and we dont need it before X
04:43* vagrantc should probably not hang out in LTSP while trying to figure out what to do regarding getting into the UK
04:43
<Paul_UK>
have you checked the uk website?
04:43
<ogra>
hmm and if we could move ltsp-client a bit earlier we could also move the syslog.conf stuff
04:43
its annoying anyway that syslog starts befopre ldm
04:45
<Paul_UK>
LOL
04:45
vagrantc : http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/passports-and-immigration/visas/?view=Standard
04:45
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: well, here's the story... i show up at the border with no proof of much of anything, except a passport. when asked about documentation "it's on my computer".
04:45
<Paul_UK>
click on the link, under visas for coming to the uk
04:46
I chose, visitor/tourist and location and current location US.. it said, I dont need a visa
04:46
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: and when i asked them if i showed up tomorrow with the documentation, they said "no, you'll have to get a visa"
04:46
<Paul_UK>
On arrival in the UK you must satisfy an immigration officer that you qualify for entry to the United Kingdom as a visitor under the Immigration Rules.
04:46
Tell them, to go to that site.
04:46
<vagrantc>
yeah, where's the section that applies to "denied once, trying again" ? :P
04:47
<Paul_UK>
vagrantc, its easy. forget you have been denied.
04:47
<vagrantc>
Paul_UK: and erase the black mark on my passport ?
04:47
<Paul_UK>
tell them, that you were denied because the officer in question, didnt know his job and didnt look at the rules.
04:47
therefore it was a mistake for you to be denied
04:48
<vagrantc>
well, i'm not about to say that... but am considering going with documentation that should address all the concerns raised ...
04:48
concerns == reasons for refusal
04:48
<Paul_UK>
well, do that.. i suggest you get printouts from the link I gave you and tell them, on what grounds they should refuse you entry. I know, they dont have a leg to stand on
04:49
because i have known too many people, even here at work. that are from the US and travel regularly from here to there
04:49
<vagrantc>
the easiest place to go would be back to calais, but i'm thinking it would be better to try a different border than the one that refused me
04:52
<ogra>
just tell them you go there for a business meeting, if they ask give them the millbank tower address
04:53
<Paul_UK>
vagrantc, if you get a visa for france, then you'll be allowed entry into the uk.
04:54* vagrantc doesn't want any mention of business whatsoever
04:54
<ogra>
well, in the end it is a business meeting :)
04:54
<Paul_UK>
well as i said, you shouldnt be refused at all, if its holiday and under 3 months. i would start asking names of superiors.
04:54
<vagrantc>
ogra: that's probably why i was denied in the first place ...
04:55
<ogra>
because you said you come to do business ?
04:55
<vagrantc>
i think that's what made them think i needed to get a work visa
04:55
<ogra>
sigh
04:56
<vagrantc>
my plans for the moment are to just return to the US after debconf. i think adding in work-related stuff is way too risky.
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<Paul_UK>
hey cool, seems that fedora core 6 has ltsp
06:52
<vagrantc>
well, the *old* ltsp
06:53
<ogra>
heh
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<Paul_UK>
ah
07:06
what about k12ltsp ?
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<ogra>
same
07:07
<Paul_UK>
lol ok
07:07
<ogra>
its redhat based
07:08
as long as nobody finishes off something for redhat, they are stuck with ltsp 4.x
07:08
<Paul_UK>
i guess that'll have to be until fedora 7 is out
07:08
<ogra>
i dont see anyone working on it yet ...
07:09
here were several attempts but nothing is finished ...
07:09
<Paul_UK>
shame, oh well
07:09
<ogra>
and i dont even think actively developed ...
07:10
<Paul_UK>
i guess you need to be a developer to know how to integrate it all?
07:10
<ogra>
roughly at least
07:11
you should know a bit about initramfs and scripting
07:11
<Paul_UK>
i know a little scripting (grin), but initramfs, no.
07:11
<ogra>
and about the way your distro bootstraps a basic image
07:14
<Paul_UK>
hmm, i wonder if anyone has gotten nx clients to boot via pxe with the free 2x thinclient server and then using ltsp for the terminal services.
07:14
<vagrantc>
if you're one of those people who is always too humble about your abilities, you could probably do it
07:15
<Paul_UK>
vagrantc, well as i like to say, everything is possible if you try. when all my projects come to fruition here, i dont think i'll even believe what came about here and all using oss.
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<Blinny>
jammcq: Having some trouble with my new term 1225 - got a sec?
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<gambler07>
hi
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<ogra>
vagrantc, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-June/002913.html
09:20
<vagrantc>
ogra: nice :)
09:21
<ogra>
try it out
09:21
there is ltsp-update-image now
09:21
<vagrantc>
ogra: is the squashfs nbd-root stuff default, or just an option ?
09:21
<ogra>
just pushed the changes to the gutsy branch
09:21
its default in ubuntu
09:21
i want t get testing
09:21
*to
09:22
the speedup is so significant that i think we should default to it
09:22
and its the best way to get rifd of bindmounts and have unionfs finally
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<ogra>
*rid
09:22
<Gadi>
yeah!
09:23
<ogra>
now only the diverting for udevsettle is missing and i'm done with the speedups
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09:23
<ogra>
and docs for all i have done indeed
09:24
<sbalneav>
ogra!!!!!!!!!
09:24
<ogra>
s!
09:24
<sbalneav>
I logged in last night via ldm2 :)
09:24
<ogra>
!s
09:24
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:24
<ogra>
cool
09:24
<sbalneav>
OK
09:24
<ogra>
i've just pushed the change that makes squashfs via nbd wit unionfs the default
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<sbalneav>
So, I got a branch. Just gotta upload it now.
09:24
<ogra>
lets see how crappy my scripts are :)
09:25
<cliebow_>
heh
09:26
<Gadi>
ogra: did you try d/ling lts.conf via tftp, too?
09:26
<ogra>
Gadi, yep
09:26
not *try*
09:26
<Gadi>
is that in there?
09:26
<ogra>
it does it now :)
09:26
<Gadi>
:)
09:26
excellent
09:26
<sbalneav>
ogra does his yoda impression
09:26
<ogra>
oh, wait ... that part isnt 100% done yet ... i need to determine the tftproot
09:27* ogra just noticed he forgot to clean the hardcoded playaround parts :)
09:27
<Gadi>
oops
09:27
<ogra>
sorry, it currently expects /ltsp/tribe1/lts.conf :)
09:27
<Gadi>
lol
09:28
<ogra>
if you want to test before my next upload :)
09:28
<Gadi>
sure - we prolly also need to change ltsp-update-*
09:28
<ogra>
no
09:28
<cliebow_>
how about zmodem
09:28
<ogra>
there is a new script
09:28
<Gadi>
ah
09:28
<ogra>
called ltsp-update-image
09:28
<Gadi>
nice
09:28
<ogra>
you need to call that after you changed the chroot
09:28
it will update everything ndb/squash related
09:29
<Gadi>
looks like launchpad is down
09:29
<ogra>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp works
09:30
<sbalneav>
hmmm
09:31
<rjune_>
ogra: !
09:31
<ogra>
rjune, !
09:31
<sbalneav>
bzr push sftp://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy <-- That should be correct to upload my branch, yes?
09:31
<rjune_>
Where do I lodge an official complaint about ubuntu?
09:31
<sbalneav>
What's your complaint?
09:31
<ogra>
sbalneav, yup
09:32
rjune, define "official"
09:32
i mean you could slashdot it ...
09:32
<rjune_>
sbalneav: packages which are referenced in documentation and in add/remove packages don't show up in add/remove packages
09:32
<ogra>
or you could mean you want to go to court
09:32
<rjune_>
not that official
09:32
<sbalneav>
ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host code.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
09:32
humm
09:32
<ogra>
rjune, well, that would be a bug against documentation
09:33
<rjune_>
the other could be a dep bug
09:33
<ogra>
sbalneav, got the right key installed ?
09:33
<Gadi>
sbalneav: I was getting that all last week for uploads
09:33
<sbalneav>
checking.
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<rjune_>
gnome-kiss requires lha, and states so, but lha isn't available from add/remove
09:33
<ogra>
whats gnome-kiss ?
09:34
apt-cache search gnome-kiss doesnt reveal anything here
09:34
are you sure thats an ubuntu package ?
09:34
<sbalneav>
Ah. Might not have a key set up for this computer.
09:34
<ogra>
sbalneav, heh
09:34
sbalneav, bzr push sftp://sbalneav@code.launchpad.net...
09:35
;)
09:35
you missed the user
09:36
<sbalneav>
ah, silly me
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09:42
<rjune_>
kubuntu-desktop is referenced in the docs(installing after the fact) but isn't in add/remove packages
09:42
ogra: I installed from a stock ubuntu install
09:42
<ogra>
right, kubuntudesktop is rather a synaptics thing
09:43
add/remove will only list packages that also have a menu entry
09:43
we're working on meta .desktop files for edubuntu ... that might go back to ubuntu as well
09:43
<sbalneav>
Hmmm, I'm still getting it.
09:44
<rjune_>
ogra: gnomekiss, my bad
09:44
<ogra>
sbalneav, you need the right key in ~/.ssh
09:45
(matching id_rsa for what is stored in LP as your ssh key)
09:46
<sbalneav>
should I be referencing CODE.launchpad.net, or bazaar.launchpad.net?
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<ogra>
rjune, ah, gnomekiss is from universe ... there the community wuold be your counterpart for complaints :)
09:46
<sbalneav>
bzr push sftp://sbalneav@code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
09:47
<ogra>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto
09:47
uses bazaar.lp.net
09:48
<sbalneav>
Ah
09:48
there it goes
09:48
<ogra>
:)
09:48
<sbalneav>
bazaar.lp.net
09:49
<Gadi>
indeed - for me too
09:50* ogra wonders what we could do with the fact that you can now use filesystem images on the server instead of tmpfses on the client for rw operations if you want to
09:51
<vagrantc_>
you can have nbd-server write to temporary files ... cow style operations
09:51
<ogra>
we could have one fixed readonly image and an ext3 nbd exported file for RW stuff ...
09:51
for every client
09:51
<vagrantc_>
ogra: just let nbd-server handle it
09:51
ah, you mean per-client ...
09:51
<ogra>
yeah
09:52
initramfs can be configured to use /cow from anywhere you want now
09:52
<vagrantc_>
it can dynamically create random files as needed
09:52
<ogra>
yeah
09:52
<sbalneav>
I have discovered liferea by the way, and life is good, now.
09:52
<vagrantc_>
but you want persistance
09:53
<ogra>
well, not for normal clients indeed
09:53
<sbalneav>
It's great that Edubuntu includes this.
09:53
<ogra>
i wonder what new usecases we can generate for the new features
09:54
like individually server side maintained netbooted workstations ...
09:54
there the persistance would make sense
09:54
for general ltsp clients the tmpfs is a feature :)
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10:00
<sbalneav>
They see me branchin', they hatin', web-surfin' and tryn' to catch me codin' dirty.
10:00
Woot.
10:00
<ogra>
dont see your branch yet :/
10:01* ogra pokes LP to do the scan
10:01
<ogra>
yay
10:02
sbalneav, did you chaneg the greeter code ?
10:02
*change
10:02
<sbalneav>
no
10:02
not yet.
10:02
grab my branch, read the README
10:02
basically, it's a hack.
10:02
<ogra>
yeah, i see a lot Xdialog and popen
10:02
<sbalneav>
once I get ldm2 working well, then I'll start work on the greeter.
10:02
right
10:03
I've isolated all that cruft in the greeter_iface code.
10:03* ogra loves LPs "codebrowse" function :)
10:03
<sbalneav>
The idea will be: once I start work on the greeter, we'll launch the greeter in the main loop, then the greeter iface code will chat with the greeter.
10:04
i.e. "gimme a login", "gimme a password", "display this error message" "whoops, gimme a new passwor" etc.
10:05
<ogra>
yeah
10:05
we just need a socket to talk over
10:05
<sbalneav>
right.
10:05
<ogra>
shouldnt be to hard with the curret c greeter
10:05
*current
10:05
<sbalneav>
But as of last night, I logged in via it.
10:05
no, not at all.
10:05
should be fairly easy.
10:06
The code's REALLY rough
10:06
I'm not testing about 1/2 the errors I should.
10:06
<ogra>
can you use tmpfile for temorary files instead of hardcoded names ? or is ldminfo.authfile used anywhere ?
10:07
<sbalneav>
Well, wouldn't it be better to use a well-known name, so that an external program (i'm thinking local apps) can know what the authfile is?
10:07
<ogra>
i also think xorg 7.3 doesnt need fontpatch to be set but i might be wrong
10:07
*fontpath
10:07
<vagrantc_>
sbalneav: then don't put it in /tmp
10:08
any directory that any random user can create files in is subject to symlink attacks
10:08
<sbalneav>
Well, I think the long-term plan is to put it in /root/.Xauthority, like normal
10:09
but I haven't bothered to do that yet (i.e. another bindmount + other goo.)
10:10
<ogra>
hmm
10:10
do you call any greeter cde at all anywhere ?
10:10
i dotn see anything asking for the passwrod
10:10
sbalneav, bind mounts are history :)
10:11
we have a full ywriteable filesystem
10:11
<sbalneav>
ah
10:11
ok
10:11
yeah, get_passwd in greeter_iface.c
10:11
it's copyied (badly) from get_login. Variable names are misleading :)
10:12
<ogra>
i'm just looking if we could hook in the existing c greeter somehow
10:12
so we could give it to the people to get feedback and tests
10:12
<sbalneav>
Sure.
10:12
I'll work on that somewhat today.
10:13
Then for password expiry, we could just launch Xdialog. It would pop up over the existing greeter.
10:13
<ogra>
the greeter returns 4 values, jus ignore the last two ...
10:13
first is user, second is password
10:13
<sbalneav>
ugly as sin, but workable.
10:13
right
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<ogra>
well, if Xdialog is to ugly i can quickly write some gtk popups for you ...
10:14
just popping in front should be easy
10:14
<sbalneav>
yeah
10:14
anywho, it doesn't even recycle after a logout yet, so that needs to be done :)
10:15
<ogra>
right
10:15
<sbalneav>
The current ldm restarts X to clear out xatoms, etc, after a session ends, yes?
10:15
<ogra>
but getting the initial thing out even if its buggy will gain us more :)
10:15
<sbalneav>
I wonder if there's an X program we can run that would clean up all the atoms, without having to restart the X server itself.
10:15
<ogra>
gutsy is supposed to e broken ... ;)
10:16
<sbalneav>
xreset-all
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<Gadi>
ah - thats why Xserver is reset?
10:17
<sbalneav>
yeah
10:17
<Gadi>
is that a security concern?
10:17
s/reset/restarted/
10:17
hmm
10:18
whats in the Xatoms?
10:18
<sbalneav>
Tons of stuff
10:18
<Gadi>
data?
10:18
user dat?
10:18
<ogra>
atoms
10:18
<sbalneav>
xprop -root
10:18
<Gadi>
er, data
10:20
<sbalneav>
Hmmm, wonder if keithp would know...
10:20
<Gadi>
ok
10:21
and is that a matter of security?
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<Gadi>
the color of my menubar?
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<sbalneav>
Well, looks like when the last client exits, the x server resets itself.
10:25
I'll have to play around with it.
10:25
Would be nice not to have to restart X
10:27
<Gadi>
so, wait - if I dont reset X and log in as a different user, and run xprop -root, I should see the first user's settings?
10:27
or if I were a malicious user, I could set a property that the next person would see?
10:27
<sbalneav>
right
10:27
<Gadi>
cool
10:27
very spy vs spy
10:27
;)
10:28
<sbalneav>
Which one are you?
10:28
<Gadi>
does gdm clear the Xatoms/
10:28
<sbalneav>
yeah, when an XDMCP session disconnects, it gets reset.
10:28
<Gadi>
or are all linux pcs insecure?
10:28
ah
10:29
X doesnt respawn tho
10:29
<sbalneav>
right.
10:29
What I was wondering is if there was an external program we could call to twig that piece of code.
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10:32
<ogra>
sbalneav, run xnest on top of the real X server
10:32
and run ldm inside it
10:32
you wil still reset X but the user wnt notice
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<andresmujica>
Hi in order to compile the latest nvidia driver for the actual kernel do i to compile all the LBE tree?
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<sbalneav>
andresmujica: Are you using ltsp4.2?
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<andresmujica>
yeap sbalneav i'm using 4.2
11:14
planning to test ltsp5.0 in a few mnonths..
11:19
<sbalneav>
yes, I beleive you'll have to recompile the lbe.
11:19
<Gadi>
actually, I think all you need is the kernel kit, no?
11:19
for 4.2
11:20
<sbalneav>
Don't you need to build the compiler tools first?
11:20
Can't remember: it's been a while since I've recompiled.
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<Gadi>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#ltsp_kernel_kit
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<sbalneav>
I suppose just try the kernel kit, and if it works, then ok
11:20
<Gadi>
yeah, for me, too
11:20
<andresmujica>
i've seen something about kernel kit
11:20
<Gadi>
;)
11:20
<andresmujica>
ok
11:20
<ogra>
dont you need to build the Xdriver as well ?
11:20
<Gadi>
ah, prolly
11:21
<ogra>
that would need more than the kernl kit i assume
11:22
<Gadi>
ogra: you said putting the framebuffer in the initramfs cured your usplash woes, right?
11:22
(with the sisfb box)
11:22
<ogra>
yeah
11:22
<Gadi>
hmm... mine still locks up at the end
11:22
<ogra>
but i only had that once and dint note down what i did
11:22
<Gadi>
ah
11:22
<ogra>
you need to supress the default framebuffer module by blacklisting it in the initramfs iirs
11:22
<Gadi>
it happens after ltsp-client init script (or during)
11:23
<ogra>
*iirc
11:23
<Gadi>
yeah
11:23
tried that
11:23
do you remember how far the sisfb one got?
11:23
before it froze?
11:24* Gadi tries to determine if it is the ltsp-client script or just a slow launching Xserver
11:25
<ogra>
it didnt freeze
11:25
<Gadi>
ah, it just didnt display?
11:25
<ogra>
it just worked
11:26
without sisfb i just dont have a splash
11:26
but it works fine otherwise
11:26
<Gadi>
ah
11:26
different issue
11:45
<andresmujica>
hmpf.. i'm compiling LBE and having issues building texinfo...
11:45
/usr/local/lbe/i386-linux-crosscomp/bin/gcc -O2 -march=i386 -static -o ginfo dir.o display.o dribble.o echo-are a.o filesys.o footnotes.o gc.o indices.o info-utils.o info.o infodoc.o infomap.o m-x.o man.o nodemenu.o nodes.o search.o session.o signals.o terminal.o tilde.o variables.o window.o doc.o key.o ../lib/libtxi.a terminal.o: In function `terminal_begin_using_terminal':
11:48
<gloin>
hrm
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<gloin>
using ubuntu 6.10, splash comes up, it says "OK" to "Mounting root filesystem" and then the screen blacks out and nothing else happens. I've checked, - it's not outputting to serial. Device being booted is a NTA6020P terminal from devonit.com
11:50
I've set SCREEN_01=shell in lts.conf in hopes that'd stop happening, but no joy
11:51
what's supposed to happen after "mounting root filesystem" that doesn't?
11:52
and more to point, how do I debug what broke?
11:52
<Paul_UK>
hey gadi, i understand you have scripts to use vnc and nx protocol?
11:53
<Gadi>
Paul_UK: well, nx
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<Gadi>
vnc makes for a not-so-great terminal server solution (but can be done through NX if you really wanted to)
11:53
but, thats on LTSP 4.2
11:54
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#NX
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<Blinny>
This new 1225 Term doesn't want to boot this morning. Other thin clients too. It says 'No IP Address' when looking for a dhcp lease, however on the server it receives the request and gives an ACK
12:42
ack
12:42
Other thin clients DO boot
12:43
Wait, well, the server receives a discover and sends an offer
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<Blinny>
Okay - Now i have discover, offer, request, and ack all occurring within the same second, but still no boot.
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<gloin>
grawlth
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<sbalneav>
Blinny: COuld be a network problem. Any other dhcp servers that might have crept onto that segment?
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<gloin>
sbalneav: any insight into what could be causing the problem I described above?
13:52
<Blinny>
sbalneav: Not unless these social workers got a lot smarter
13:52
I'm gonna go concentrate on this. Thanks for the suggestions, all.
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<sbalneav>
gloin: Does it work with a different terminal?
13:53
<gloin>
sbalneav: no way to know - that's what I have available to work withy
13:53
-y
13:54
<sbalneav>
Don't have another box around that you could boot via pxe?
13:54
<gloin>
one of the pieces I forgot to add was that we've got a Win2k DHCP server that manages our LAN
13:54
so I set the reservation up for that terminal, etc.
13:54
<sbalneav>
That's a pretty big piece to forget.
13:54
<gloin>
and there isn't a dhcp server running on the ltsp server
13:55
the last thing the client says before going black is "booting the kernel"
13:55
or loading
13:56
<sbalneav>
I think, by default, it tries to use NFS from the same machine it got it's dhcp from
13:56
<Gadi>
argh
13:56
<gloin>
lots of luck with that
13:57
<sbalneav>
so it's probably trying to get the root filesystem from W2K
13:57
<gloin>
hmm
13:57* Gadi tries to debug why usplash breaks this client
13:57
<Gadi>
with no success :(
13:58
<gloin>
sbalneav: there's a param set in the DHCP reservation for "boot server host name" that's set to the ip address of the ltsp server
13:59
<sbalneav>
gloin: I think that's irrelevant. I think the initramfs just makes some assumptions.
13:59
<gloin>
Gadi: do you know if usplash provides anything other than a pretty face to the client? You could just disable it in rc
13:59
sbalneav: ah
13:59
so I need to, hrm
13:59
edit something and initrd
14:00
mkinitrd*
14:00
<Gadi>
indeed it is just a pretty face
14:00
<sbalneav>
Are these boxes ONLY going to be thin clients?
14:00
<Gadi>
but, I would like to know why it cracks my mirror ;)
14:00
<gloin>
sbalneav: yes. headless
14:00
<sbalneav>
So, why not just stick in a seconds network card in the server, and hang the terminals off that?
14:00
run dhcpd on the second interface, boom, done.
14:00
<gloin>
heh
14:01
because they're going to be deployed across three production facilities, the smallest of which is 145,000 square feet, in two different states.
14:01
and I don't want to dink around with setting up and maintaining a VLAN
14:01
just for that
14:02
<sbalneav>
Well, you're either going to dink around with manually maintaining your own customized initramfs, or dink around creating a vlan.
14:02
So the question you need to ask yourself is, which is easier.
14:02
<Gadi>
dink dink. dink dink dink dink dink
14:03
<gloin>
initramfs
14:03
by a mile
14:03
<Gadi>
dink dink. dink dink dink dink dink
14:03
sorry
14:03* gloin beats Gadi around with a very large trout
14:04
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: Hi, I wrote on the ltsp-dev mailing list about the ltspfs mutex problem some time ago. Did that patch get included in some repository?
14:04
<sbalneav>
vmlintu: Nope, I haven't had a chance to deal with it yet.
14:04
Thanks for the patch, tho'
14:04
It's on my "list of things to do" :)
14:05
which, as usual, gets bigger by the minute.
14:05
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: ok, I was just wondering if I could get back to stock version or keep using my patched version..
14:05
<sbalneav>
Good catch, though.
14:05
In all the testing I did, I guess I never actually had any bad media.
14:05
<vmlintu>
It took a while to figure out why the servers were hanging randomly
14:07
You just need to go to a random elementary school with tons of old PCs and mountains of old floppies.. ;)
14:07
<gloin>
heh
14:07
which is my previous experience with LTSP
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<vmlintu>
Well, I guess I should go find the next bug.. There's something wrong with the RFID authentication system we are using for LTSP terminals..
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<sbalneav>
ogra: you there, dudesky?
14:12
<Gadi>
ah, so there's something you learn
14:12
always have a sreen_07
14:12
chvt 7 is hardcoded in ltsp-client
14:12
doh
14:13
now to unbreak things
14:13
<sbalneav>
we need a "DEFAULT_SCREEN=" param
14:13
<Gadi>
indeed
14:13
and a warning
14:13
:)
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<gloin>
that's interesting
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<Gadi>
ah, there's the bugger!
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<gloin>
ah, so
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<gloin>
sbalneav: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts then?
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<sbalneav>
gloin: Probably. I'm going to freely admit that my knowledge of what goes on in the initramfs is hazy at best.
14:23
Most of the stuff I deal with is after the root's been mounted.
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<Gadi>
gloin, are you using linux for tftp?
14:26
you can pass the nfsroot kernel param
14:26
through your pxelinux.cfg
14:26
<gloin>
Gadi: I was just wondering about that
14:27
<Gadi>
something like: nfsroot=192.168.3.254:/opt/ltsp/i386
14:27
<gloin>
ROOTSERVER="11.2.3.4" right?
14:27
<Gadi>
THAT SORT OF THING
14:27
<gloin>
oh
14:27
<Gadi>
add it to the kernel command line
14:27
in pxelinux.cfg/default
14:27
<gloin>
right
14:28
that'd be a boatload easier than editing the initramfs scripts
14:28
<Gadi>
yeah, the mechanisms are all in there
14:29
<gloin>
thankee
14:29
<Gadi>
you could even hardocde IPs there for the thin clients rather than in dhcp if you like
14:29
tho, thatd be a bit odd
14:29
<gloin>
eh, the dhcp server hands out reservations easily enough
14:30
<Gadi>
indeed
14:30
<gloin>
no need to break that level of normalization
14:31
argh
14:32
note to self: the typical bash shell isn't going to know what to do with as400 commands
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<gloin>
WRKOBJ, for example, is pretty consistently not found
14:32
too many shells, too many tasks
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<Gadi>
weird... seems "fgconsole" is whats killing me
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<sbalneav>
Hmm, well, ldm2 should now restart after a log out. I'll test it tonight.
14:57
Sigh, so much error handling to do.
14:57
Higher level scripting languages have spoiled me.
14:58
<Gadi>
stupid fgconsole
14:58
stupid usplash
14:59
<sbalneav>
Give into the temptation: all you have to do is edit /var/lib/tftpd/.../pxeconfig.0/default, and remove the "splash" directive. And alllll your troubles go away :)
14:59
<Gadi>
talk about dusting under the rug
15:00
<sbalneav>
I have hardwood floors :)
15:00
I dug into usplash once, and backed away carefully.
15:00
The whole system seems.... somewhat brittle.
15:01
<Gadi>
its the ltsp-client init script that is breaking
15:01
so, I should be able to find out why
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<Gadi>
its totally fgconsole
15:03
weird
15:04
<sbalneav>
What's fgconsole doing?
15:04
<Gadi>
I think its erroring
15:04
causing the whol thing to croak
15:05
when I comment it out, all is well
15:05
all this stuff about not wanting to cause flicker blah blah
15:09
nope broken again
15:10
brittle is right
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<lambda_>
hi everybody
15:32
my ltsp installation come with a nice 2.6.18-4-486 kernel but I need to recompile it
15:32
I must taking sources on kernel.org ?
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<vagrantc>
lambda_: why do you need to recompile it?
15:33
<lambda_>
IRQ conflict in /proc/interrupts :(
15:34
no interface can be launched
15:34
no X interface sorry
15:34
<sbalneav>
Fix your hardware.
15:34
<lambda_>
fixed with a 2.168.1 kernel
15:34
2.6.18.1
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<sbalneav>
Which LTSP version are you using?
15:35
I'd say just turn off the interrrupt for the video card, myself.
15:36
<lambda_>
0.99 version
15:36
>I'd say just turn off the interrrupt for the video card, myself
15:36
my bios is bugged I need hard-coded a DSDT patch
15:36
<sbalneav>
0.99 version of ltsp?
15:36
<lambda_>
yes
15:36
ltsp-server
15:37
<sbalneav>
This is on what, Debian?
15:37
<lambda_>
yes
15:37
<vagrantc>
yeah, it's debian
15:37
<sbalneav>
Well, you'd be doing a standard debian kernel build
15:38
<lambda_>
no a vanilla one
15:38
<vagrantc>
but there's never been a 0.99 version released in debian ... 0.99debian11 was released with etch
15:38
0.99debian12 is in lenny/sid ...
15:38
5.0.8debian1 is stuck in NEW ...
15:38
<lambda_>
yes It is an etch-test version
15:39
<vagrantc>
lambda_: it is debian-edu, you mean
15:39
lambda_: not plain debian
15:39
<lambda_>
nothing can be hidden yes
15:39
<vagrantc>
:P
15:40
lambda_: you could try installing one of the newer kernels off of backports.org
15:40
lambda_: that'd be easier than compiling a kernel from scratch
15:41
if it's fixed in 2.6.18.1 then 2.6.20+ ought to work, no?
15:42
<lambda_>
vagrantc, I own 2.6.18.4.tar.gz vanilla kernel and this works well on targeted laptop but ...
15:42
<vagrantc>
have fun.
15:42
<lambda_>
...compilation is indospensable in this case
15:43
what is fixed ? bios corruption ?
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<lambda_>
It's a very specific problem
15:43
<vagrantc>
22:32 < lambda_> fixed with a 2.168.1 kernel
15:43
22:32 < lambda_> 2.6.18.1
15:43
<rjune__>
oh good.
15:43
<vagrantc>
you said it, not me.
15:45
<lambda_>
vagrantc, Can I upload 2.6.18.1 fixed vmlinuz System.map initrd.img on /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/ ?
15:45
<vagrantc>
lambda_: you can do whatever you please :P
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<vagrantc>
lambda_: would be better to install a packaged kernel into the chroot, though.
15:46
lambda_: so if you build a custom kernel, do it so that it produces a proper .deb
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<lambda_>
so I must chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
15:48
launch apt-get source linux-image
15:48
make-kpkg the new one
15:48
<vagrantc>
sure, i guess.
15:48
<lambda_>
and copying the files to /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/ ?
15:49* lambda_ is not sure for the last step
15:49
<vagrantc>
well, then you can just run ltsp-update-kernels and it will handle the copying for you
15:50
<lambda_>
ok
15:51
<vagrantc>
ltsp-update-kernels is on the server
15:51
well, you'd also have to install the kernel created with make-kpkg
15:52
<lambda_>
at present I test the fixed 2.6.18.1 laptop-side compiled
15:53
It appear the logs tell me 8139cp this is not an 8139+ compatible chip
15:53
try the 8139too driver instead
15:54
.
15:56
but It appears some options are missing in the .config :(
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<racquad>
Hi guys... I have a question about using VNC over X.
16:46
The situation is: once I had Windows runing on my computers, VNC was installed in order to be a "help-desk" software. Once the user had a problem with his machine, I went through VNC to help him and try to resolve the problem.
16:47
The problem now is: I have a Linux box runing LTSP and my diskless terminals connect to it. How can I open a VNC session to help the user, once he has a problem to solve
16:48
I tried to connect over ip.server:view_of_client, but it didn't work. I have gnome installed and user Vino to "open" the connection. To which IP address and view port I have to point my VNC client to connect to the screen of the X-terminal??
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<DukGalNamu_work>
exit
17:47
oops
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<ibt>
is there anything like an xdm chooser in the ltsp 5 setup?
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<DukGalNamu_work>
err... how does dvd playback work on terminals?
18:25
(is it possible?)
18:51
nobody here huh?
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<kejava>
sure this is getting asked a lot. are local devices now supported in LTSP 5? specifically thumb drives. got any good links for setting it up?
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<ibt>
kejava: ubuntu wiki had some stuff
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<kejava>
ibt, thanks. geesh, i should have looked there first. is this the link you're thinking of:
20:29
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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<ibt>
looks right
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<kejava>
i get an error while installing ltspfsd due to ltsp-client. says "ltsp-client cannot be installed in a regular machine". strange, it's a dependency of ltspfsd.
21:02
oh, i see. i'm supposed to install ltspfsd in the client environment. hmm, how I do that? chroot?
21:14
bah, ltspfsd is already installed on the client. hmm, still doesn't work.
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<kejava>
jammcq, i'm having trouble setting up local device access on Ubuntu 7.04. I'm using this link as a reference:
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
21:23
doesn't seem to be working so far
21:24
are local devices still experimental?
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<jammcq>
yes
21:37
oops
21:37
he's gone
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<mistik1>
:(
21:38
jammcq: did you read this one http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/25/1536219
21:38
<jammcq>
yep
21:39
pretty cool, eh?
21:39
<mistik1>
more ltsp media, eh?
21:39
yea, its a great story
21:40
I really like the way he skirted the type of response the creatures that are school boards.
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<jammcq>
!s
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: guess who's sitting here with me
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<sbalneav>
Marlon?
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<jammcq>
nope
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<sbalneav>
Gadi?
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<jammcq>
nope
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<sbalneav>
Mark Shuttleworth?
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<jammcq>
your old buddy terpstra
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pfff
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shuttleworth, yeah right
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<sbalneav>
Where is ya?
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<jammcq>
at my house
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he's here to talk at MUG tomorrow night
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<sbalneav>
Cool
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Whoo hoo!
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You can log out and log in again with ldm :)
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Woohoo!
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Local devices works too.
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Need to set up the rest of the "standard" environment that the old ldm sets up.
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<jammcq>
what means sbalneav rocks ?
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<sbalneav>
:)
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<monteslu>
jammcq, you around?
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<jammcq>
monteslu: barely, what's up?
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<monteslu>
hate to bug you about this, but do you know where any documentation for 3dm2 is ? my googling has been fruitless
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<jammcq>
the 3-ware utility?
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<monteslu>
yeah, I remeber you use the cards
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<jammcq>
have you tried the 3ware site?
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<monteslu>
and I've got a drive clikcing :)
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<jammcq>
that's where i've found docs
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<monteslu>
yeah, it sucks
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hmm.. I'll keep looking there
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<jammcq>
monteslu: so... you have a drive clicking. what do you want to do?
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<monteslu>
figure out which one its
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<jammcq>
ah
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<monteslu>
s/its/it is
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just have a mirror, so should be easy , I think
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I've got 3dm2 running, but I'm not brining up the web interface
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<jammcq>
oh, I use the cmdline interface
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<monteslu>
funny, that distros don't mind packaging the thing, but documenation is almost non existant
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<jammcq>
tw_cli
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then type something like:
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<monteslu>
tw_cli ?
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<jammcq>
/c0 show
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<monteslu>
guess, I don't have it all installed
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<jammcq>
yeah, that's the 3-ware command line interface
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I have a machine with a failed drive, here's what it shows:
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<monteslu>
does that talk to 3dm2?
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<jammcq>
Unit UnitType Status %Cmpl Stripe Size(GB) Cache AVerify IgnECC
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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u0 RAID-1 DEGRADED - - 233.761 ON - -
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no, it talks to the controller directly
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<monteslu>
cool
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<jammcq>
it shows more, but I don't wanna paste it here
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after typing 'tw_cli', us the '?' key to get help
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<monteslu>
strange "/0" didn't work
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err /c0
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<jammcq>
no, /c0
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you need: /c0 show
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<monteslu>
ooh, there is
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thanks
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looks like disk 2 degraged
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degraded
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<jammcq>
see the driver that's failed?
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s/driver/drive/
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<monteslu>
p1 DEGRADED u0 298.09 GB 625142448 WD-WCAMR4346129
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<jammcq>
yep
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<monteslu>
thing is less than a year old
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shoot, 6 months old
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<jammcq>
I had a batch of bad drives. Had a couple of them fail in only a few weeks
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but now, knock on wood, my big server has been very stable
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<monteslu>
do you rebuild your array from within the card's bios ?
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<jammcq>
I've only ever had to do that once. I pulled the old drive out, put the new drive in, and it did everything automatically
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<monteslu>
awesome
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<jammcq>
and that was while the machine was running :)
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<monteslu>
well, this is just my home server. I don't mind taking it down for repairs. Though the wife might complain about uptime :)
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your once again a life saver, thanks much
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<jammcq>
you need a hot-swap cage, if you want to do it while it's running
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no prob
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have fun
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through tw_cli, you can do a 'rescan' to check for a newly inserted drive, if it doesn't find it
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<monteslu>
cool
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I really like these cards. I bought three of them already
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<jammcq>
and it looks like 'sched rebuild c0'
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i've got 5 or 6 kicking around
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"help sched" will show you more on how to rebuild or verify an array
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err, 'sched' is only for the 9000 series
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i've got a 9550 in one machine
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but mostly I use the 8006-2
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<monteslu>
yeah, this is just a 7000 something. two drives in a pci slot
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<jammcq>
I think the 7000 series is ATA and the 8000 is SATA
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<monteslu>
sounds right.
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jammcq, do you know if you always have to use the same size drive in the cards? What if I got a slightly bigger one for the one I'm replacing?
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<jammcq>
i'm pretty sure you can use a larger drive
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<monteslu>
cool. I'll just pick up something comparable at the store tomorrow So I don't have to order the exact same drive online
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<jammcq>
have fun. I'm heading to bed
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<monteslu>
thanks again,dude
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