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Channel log from 7 December 2019   (all times are UTC)

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14:49
<alkisg>
vagrantc: can I bother you a minute with a packaging question, regarding the greek educational software?
14:50
I can't get the proper conflicts/replaces stanzas to upgrade two packages with one package...
14:51
<vagrantc>
usually you want breaks/replaces rather than conflicts
14:51
it's a bit more permissive
14:52
<alkisg>
We copied that from the ubuntu language packs
14:52
Big package: https://termbin.com/ozdh
14:52
Small package: https://termbin.com/girk
14:52
Installing the small pulls the big one; the idea is that we would only send updates for the small one afterwards (e.g. this one is mathematics)
14:53
Now we want to provide a new "small" package that would replace both of them, but I can't find what to put in debian/control to do that
14:53
<vagrantc>
i think you don't want conflicts or breaks, just replaces
14:53
oh
14:53
<alkisg>
Schools already have those
14:53
And we want to provide them with an upgrade path
14:54
<vagrantc>
so the two you showed are how it currently is?
14:54
<alkisg>
Yes
14:54
It's been working OK for 10 years now, but I think it would be better to avoid that split now, it doesn't help as much as I thought it would
14:55
(and schools have ADSL connections now, they're able to download e.g. 100 MB updates)
14:55
<vagrantc>
so you want to transform X-a-b-base + X-a-b with just X-a-b ?
14:55
<alkisg>
Exactly
14:55
It will contain the sum of both packages
14:56
<vagrantc>
did you try breaks + replaces?
14:57
e.g. X-a-b ... Breaks: X-a-b-base (<< sourceversion) ... Replaces: X-a-b-base
14:58
<alkisg>
I think that one said "refusing ..." because it couldn't uninstall the X-base one while X- depended on it
14:58
Let me try it again
14:59
Replaces: dim-anglika-d-e (<< 10), dim-anglika-d-e-base
14:59
Breaks: dim-anglika-d-e (<< 10), dim-anglika-d-e-base
14:59
This is what I had tried
14:59
I'll leave the -base only now there, testing...
15:00
Ah, I also tried these; with these, apt-get dist-upgrade didn't want to upgrade:
15:00
Replaces: dim-anglika-d-e-base
15:00
Breaks: dim-anglika-d-e-base
15:01
But if I specify the package name: apt-get install dim-anglika-d-e ==> then it does work; it's just the normal "dist-upgrade" that doesn't work
15:06
Nah, update-manager also refuses to update that :(
15:09
<vagrantc>
hmmm... it should be possible with dist-upgrade
15:09
there's probably some complicated nuance here
15:10
<alkisg>
I wonder if I need to provide transitional -base packages :(
15:11
<vagrantc>
yeah, that should work...
15:11
just a meta-package...
15:11
it's typical to provide such packages in Debian for at least one release to ensure upgrade paths...
15:12
maybe this is why :)
15:12
<alkisg>
Hehe
15:12* alkisg gives it a last try, to ask in debian #packaging, which is for packages outside of debian...
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15:15
<alkisg>
!irclogs | echo paradoxewan:
15:15
<ltspbot>
paradoxewan: irclogs: This channel is logged, archives are available at http://irclogs.ltsp.org
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15:46
<paradoxewan>
Hi there, have three pi's connected ok, but 2 not showing screenshots or allowing vnc
15:46
<alkisg>
!vnc-edide
15:46
<ltspbot>
vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
15:57
<alkisg>
paradoxewan: I think you're launching the session in a strange way so that epoptes can't find the display or something
15:57
It needs more debugging than I can offer for free, sorry :)
15:58
<paradoxewan>
ok, just strange that one unit works and the others don't, should be same hardware and software, only difference is the screen resolution
15:58
<alkisg>
The one that worked actually misbehaved
15:59
<paradoxewan>
lol typical
15:59
<alkisg>
You had installed epoptes there, so it didn't run epoptes-client as root at all
15:59
<paradoxewan>
hmmm ok
15:59
<alkisg>
When I uninstalled epoptes, it did the same as the other ones
15:59
<paradoxewan>
so if I install epoptes on them all it will work? lol
16:00
<alkisg>
Haha :)
16:00
<paradoxewan>
its basically a signage system, all running a chromium instance
16:01
just for video / webpages, based on pisignage.com
16:01
<alkisg>
Yeah it's doing something strange with the login procedure
16:01
Maybe it has 2 diplays runnings
16:01
*running
16:02
<paradoxewan>
ok, whats the costs involved in getting it fixed properly?
16:02
<alkisg>
Let's go to PMs now. Channel = free, PMs = work :)
16:02
<paradoxewan>
ok :)
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