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Channel log from 9 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<ktama>
Hello, I am a beginner linux and English. I have a question.
03:16
I made thin client environment to install ltsp-server and openssh-server.
03:16
the client can not find USB flash memory, How do I solve this problem?
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<Envit1>
Hola a todos desde España
04:36
Hello all from Spain
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<EXP_>
anyone can help me with HP photosmart C4280 and LTSP 4.2? It's supported in HPLIB, but my machine does not recognize it...
07:07
printin is working OK
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<ogra>
i dont think 4.2 shipped hplip ... but i might be wrong
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<EXP_>
i have installed hplib
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<ogra>
in the client system ?
07:11
<EXP_>
yes. to client
07:19
sorry. printer/scanner is connected to client I meant
07:21
sane-find-scanner finds the scanner, but when i try scanimage -L i won't recogize any scanners
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<EXP_>
ogra, any suggestions?
07:26
<ogra>
EXP_, not really i'm not really familiar with the old 4.2 code
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<EXP_>
ok
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<EXP2>
I have HP Photosmart C4280 connected to ltsp client. sane-find-scanner recognizes it, but scanimage -L does not. HPLIB says it is supported..
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<monteslu>
today's the big day. I go with either k12ltsp5-EL or edubuntu
09:19
<ogra>
EL ?
09:19
<monteslu>
eneterprise Centos5
09:19
still ltsp4.2
09:19
<ogra>
yup
09:20
<monteslu>
I've got a working smbldap server I probably won't mess with, but I want to update 2 ltsp servers
09:20
theyre both k12ltsp5, (fedora5 ltsp 4.2)
09:20
how's the load balancing in edubuntu 7.04 ?
09:21
<ogra>
moquist and dtrask have such setups running afaik ...
09:21
load balancing by selecting applicaton server is just being implemented in the 7.10 release
09:22
<monteslu>
do i just spread tell which clients to hit which servers ?
09:22
that's how I'm doing it now
09:22
have all the clients specified in t ltsp.conf
09:22
<ogra>
right that works
09:22
7.10 will have a server selection dialog in the login manager
09:23
<monteslu>
its for a k-8 school. I'd rather have it transparent to the users
09:23
<moquist>
monteslu: I recommend using ISC's DHCP failover for two servers.
09:24
<monteslu>
moquist!!!
09:24
you get those centos5 patches included in the installer?
09:24
<moquist>
monteslu: it's not perfect (I checked once and we had a 2-1 split at our HS), but it's very easy to set up (compared to listing all the hosts) and it's very dynamic. If one server goes down, 1/2 of the TCs will need to reboot, but they'll come up fine on the other server.
09:24
er, um...
09:24* moquist blushes
09:25
<sbalneav>
The new host selection code in ldm will easily allow you to use a dhcp failover scheme.
09:25
<moquist>
I have a passel of smbldap-related emails in my inbox right now. :p
09:25
sbalneav: how will the two be related?
09:26
sbalneav: i.e., I see no need for a relationship. You can use the LDM Coolness(TM), and also, if you want, you can have DHCP failover running.
09:26
<monteslu>
moquist, are you still on k12 ?
09:27
<sbalneav>
Yes, exactly.
09:30
<moquist>
monteslu: Edubuntu Feisty
09:30
<monteslu>
what about your smbldap server for those?
09:30
<ltsppbot>
"only for german" pasted "icq sending" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/268
09:30
<moquist>
We have a dapper server and an edgy server, and three new feisty servers.
09:31
(in various different schools)
09:31
<monteslu>
well, i guess edubunt is the new hotness, I'll pull it down
09:31
feel like I'm letting eric down or something
09:31
<moquist>
monteslu: we're using webmin ATM, but planning to switch to the new rumor-has-it "eserver" coolness when possible.
09:32
<monteslu>
for administration?
09:32
I've got the computer teacher adding users from the cli :)
09:32
<moquist>
monteslu: don't feel like you're letting Eric down. He's on board. IMO, RH and Fedora have let *Eric* down.
09:32
<monteslu>
good point
09:33
Ok, I'm pulling down edubuntu classroom server and addon cd
09:33
<moquist>
monteslu: Yeah, I have "users" (i.e., my boss ;) who really want a GUI available for user admin. It's not unfair; he's got lots of other things to do, and there's way too much opportunity to screw things up on the command line.
09:33
This is better for everyone (here).
09:34
<monteslu>
did you have to add anything to webmin?
09:34
<ogra>
monteslu, eric founded edubuntu initially
09:34
<moquist>
monteslu: Yep, that's whatcha do. Good luck. :)
09:34
monteslu: A version of the smbldap-installer (now renamed "smbldap-configure") asks the questions and writes out the webmin config file.
09:34
<ogra>
monteslu, he was the creator of the spec back two years ago
09:35
<moquist>
ogra: were you in any of our LTSP meetings in Sydney?
09:35
<monteslu>
cool, then I'm on board
09:35* moquist is just curious
09:35
<ogra>
moquist, i was at a packaging training session iirc
09:35
together with dholbach
09:35
<monteslu>
moquist, I should be able to point those two new 7.04 servers at a centos4.3 smbldap using your client script right?
09:35* moquist nods
09:36
<moquist>
monteslu: sure
09:36
<monteslu>
cool. I'm kinda psyched to try something new :)
09:36
<moquist>
monteslu: you don't need the new version for that; just run './smbldap ldapclient'
09:36
<monteslu>
awesome
09:36
<moquist>
monteslu: it is /hawt/</wvdl>
09:37
<monteslu>
only problem i see is that fedora and ubuntu have differnt .mozilla user profiles
09:37
<ogra>
really ?
09:37
<moquist>
monteslu: you don't want to mix desktop environments for shared home dirs. that's not happy.
09:37
Though I think Gnome is the bigger worry, not so much FF.
09:37
<monteslu>
yeah, but I've got gigs of teacher profiles on the current smbdlap server
09:37
<ogra>
ubuntu should use pretty much upstream setup for that
09:38
*upstreams
09:38
<monteslu>
I guess I could kill .gnome on their profiles
09:38
maybe .kde too
09:38
<moquist>
monteslu: Upgrading isn't a problem. It's just mixing old and new that's not good.
09:38
<monteslu>
and the kids all get new directories
09:39
I had planned on redoing the smbldap with centos5, but maybe switching to edubuntu will prove more than enough work as is
09:40
is there a good mailing list like the k12 one?
09:41
<moquist>
monteslu: edubuntu-devel gets some traffic. not as much, but there's some really good stuff on there.
09:41
<monteslu>
eric should have everyone move to it :)
09:41
<moquist>
monteslu: and folks are talking edubuntu on k12osn sometimes. :p
09:41
<monteslu>
yeah, i see those from time to time
09:42
could I re-run the smbldap-configure for just he webmin bits on my server without changing anything else?
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<moquist>
monteslu: yes
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<whiprush_>
moquist: are you on jabber?
10:09
<moquist>
whiprush_: not really.
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<whiprush_>
okey
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<monteslu>
just burned the edubuntu cds. taking the plunge in about an hour
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<whiprush_>
sbalneav: around?
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<ogra>
whiprush_, he said he'd be in and out today (in #edubuntu)
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<whiprush_>
k
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<Spec>
Heya...I'm about to do a presentation on ltsp...
11:17
I was wondering if anyone could quickly give me some rough figures of how much paid-for-support usually runs for?
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<Lumiere>
hi Spec
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Spec: how's pflint's laptop
11:27
<Spec>
piece of crap, status quo
11:27
i think i feel dirtier for being on it
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/clear
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:p
11:36
Lumiere, does ltsp have a nifty logo?
11:36
non-edubuntu/k12ltsp specific?
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<ogra>
Spec, nearest to that comes the favicon of http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome i guess
11:38
Spec, if you know any artists that are good at logos, we're looking for a nice ltsp logo ...
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<Spec>
i used tux :p
11:43
but yes ,i know an artist who is good at logos, i'll ask him if he wants to make a nice ltsp one
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<rgusso-ltsp-br>
hi
13:08
i have a problem
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my /etc/X11/Xsession.d/51lbus-start don't let me log in
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crashes thr X
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so, if i remove it, the X works
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<rgusso-ltsp-br>
solved | chmod 644 51lbus-start
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<whiprush_>
ogra: yay, my new -dev ltsp5 server just arrived. \o/
13:25
I'll be testing gutsy ltsp by monday.
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<monteslu>
moquist, you around?
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ogra ?
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<monteslu>
ooooh, I've got an edubuntu server connected to smbldap
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now to try and fire up a second and do some load balancing...
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any edubuntu users here?
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<spackle>
I'm having trouble getting my thin clients to like edubuntu, does edubuntu change the ltsp paradigm at all?
19:13
I get to the thin client login screen OK.
19:13
but when I login
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screen goes black, then to a black X screen with an outline X in the middle and then back to the login screen.
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<spackle>
hey jammcq, good to see you
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<robbie>
hi
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<monteslu>
jammcq!
19:24
I went to the dark side
19:24
edubuntu
19:24
gotta have the muekow goodness
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<spackle>
monteslu: I was just asking about edubuntu- why is it now the bark side?
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<monteslu>
it's not really. I'm just an long time redhat user
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<jammcq>
robbie: Hey !!!!
19:25
<robbie>
hi jim
19:25
<jammcq>
monteslu: so was I. then, I saw the light
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<robbie>
been a while
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<jammcq>
robbie: so..... how many kidz you have now?
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<monteslu>
fedora will still be my personal and work desktop for a while
19:26
<spackle>
I'm never going back to redhat/centos, etc... name your evil.
19:26
<monteslu>
at least until i figure out where everything goes in ubuntu
19:26
<spackle>
hehe
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<robbie>
2
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3 one day
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<jammcq>
robbie: wow, you are catching up with Faithful
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<monteslu>
I think i need an admin group in my smbldap server
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and why isn't synaptic in the menu?
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<jammcq>
robbie: I knew you had #2 coming, but I don't know if I heard that #2 actually arrived. Boy or Girl ?
19:28
<robbie>
boy
19:28
<jammcq>
woooo hooooo
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<robbie>
http://rotapile.ods.org/gallery/0707/P7240052.JPG
19:30
he's the one on the red shirt
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<jammcq>
wow, look at those rosie cheeks
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<spackle>
monteslu: did you have any trouble getting thin clients to talk to your server?
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<monteslu>
nope, that happened automatically
19:34
haven't converted the second server yet tho
19:34
gotta do some load balancing
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<monteslu>
or alt least tell which clients which server to use
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but for the moment, i gotta find flash.
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<monteslu>
any reason why apt-get update should be failing to download packages when I can wget the same URL ?
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<spackle>
missing requirement?
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<monteslu>
I'm getting this early on : bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
19:58
do you have an edubuntu box you can try an apt-get update on?
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<spackle>
I'm at mine
20:01
are you trying to get flashplugin-nonfree ?
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<monteslu>
yeah, but I don't think my package list is complete
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and trying to run an apt-get udpate is failing
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<spackle>
I can run apt-get update but the flashplugin-nonfree fails for me too.
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<monteslu>
I think there's something wrong with the compressed package list on the site right now
20:03
can you try apt-get update
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sometimes the repos temporarily have checksum errors.. at least I've seen that on fedora
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<ari_stress>
hello all
20:24
wazzup
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<monteslu>
any idea why I can sudo a GUI app only on the server on edubuntu?
21:23
trying to sudo something from a thin client doesnt work
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and either does the apostrophe apparently
21:23
nevermind that last part, bad keyboard
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21:35* monteslu starts to rething the move to ubuntu
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<monteslu>
rethinking about it too
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the ltsp5 lts.conf file tells me to look at the lts example gzipped file, which doesn't exist
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<spackle>
monteslu: you noticed that too? ;)
21:53
<monteslu>
This whole day has been an exercise in frustration
21:53
fedora seemed so much more straight forward
21:53
and k12 seems to have so much more pollish
21:54
<spackle>
we need a knoppltsp ;)
21:54
<monteslu>
or k12ltsp7 :)
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<Lumiere>
sudo from a thin client... are you using an account with admin privs?
21:54
<monteslu>
yup
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<Lumiere>
and, it is possible that because of an insecurity sudo is failing...
21:55
and if there are problems, maybe submitting a bug report will help
21:55
<monteslu>
no sudo is fine, just not connecting to X
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<Lumiere>
finally... the ltsp on ubuntu is a completely rewritten app and on a different backend
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<spackle>
Thanks Lumiere, that is what I needed to hear. It seemed like a different animal. now I know.
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<monteslu>
understand that. Was just hoping given its popularity it would be better tested
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<Lumiere>
it is much more secure
21:57
<monteslu>
x through ssh is overkill
21:57
<Lumiere>
not really
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<spackle>
Lumiere: that is probably why I cannot log in via my thin client.
21:57
<monteslu>
xdmp was fine
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<Lumiere>
password through plain-text is death
21:58
monteslu: ubuntu won't let it in with password -> plain text
21:58
period end of story
21:58
<monteslu>
fine, but now I need more cpu on my ltsp servers
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<Lumiere>
monteslu: how would you feel sending your credit card over plaintext to the ltsp server?
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<monteslu>
its not the same thing
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<Lumiere>
it is pretty close
21:59
they just affect different pieces of your identity
22:00
password -> your accounts
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credit card -> your money
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<monteslu>
fine... do you have edubuntu servers connecting to ldap ?
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<Lumiere>
that I don't know
22:01
but pam_ldap would work I assume
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<monteslu>
I've got it working, but I'm wondering if the x authentication has something to do with the ldap setup
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<Lumiere>
x authenticates to accounts on the servecr
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<monteslu>
because sudo <someGUIapp> works only on the server
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yet sudo <someCLIapp> works fine from a thin client
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<Lumiere>
try gksudo guiapp
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<monteslu>
maybe there's some other group that's missing or something
22:04
ahh, gksudo
22:04
lemme try that
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<spackle>
Lumiere: what is the best source of info fo edubuntu ltsp?
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<monteslu>
Lumiere++
22:05
you da man
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<Lumiere>
spackle: ltsp.org
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and the edubuntu site
22:05
which I don't know off hand ;)
22:06
np
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<spackle>
Lumiere: OK, thanks, I wasn't sure if things from ltsp still applied.
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<monteslu>
in fedora, su - sets up all the gui env vars
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<Lumiere>
monteslu: su isn't that good
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cause anyone can use su
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unless you lock it down
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sudo you have to add someone as an admin for them to use it
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<monteslu>
anyone with my funky root password
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<Lumiere>
on a completely unrelated subject... David Beckham loses ;)
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<monteslu>
so does everyon that watches soccer :)
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Lumiere, do you have flash sound working on the thin clients?
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<spackle>
that always used to be a bit of a tough nut
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<monteslu>
the teachers have two requests: that their thumb drives work and that sound works with flash
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flash sound got fixed in k12ltsp6, but I don't see a similar sounding package in edubuntu
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<Lumiere>
monteslu: flash sucks? XD
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<monteslu>
a bit
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only thing its even usefull for is that low res crap video all the kids are watching these days
22:15
eveything else can be handled just fine with ajax
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<spackle>
"all the kids"
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nice one gramps!
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<monteslu>
hehe
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<spackle>
:)
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<monteslu>
I've been at this since this morning, I can be a grumpy old man now
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<Lumiere>
monteslu: sorry I can't help more
22:17
I am spending too much time on another project
22:17
<monteslu>
no worries, the security admonishment was plenty :)
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<Lumiere>
(SchoolTool SIS/CanDo Competency Tracking system)
22:17
well I spend half my time
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<monteslu>
open source?
22:17
<Lumiere>
beating programmers over the head with the ugly stick for it
22:17
yes
22:18
zope3 based
22:18
<monteslu>
cool, someone needs to put the proprietary educational vendors out of business
22:18
the shitware those guys pump out is beyond obscene
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<Lumiere>
it's coming along
22:18
but... SIS is a very very hard thing to write
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<monteslu>
cause you're not doing it in j2ee
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<Lumiere>
j2ee is the lame version of component architecture ;)
22:19
<monteslu>
ouch
22:19
it pays my bills
22:19
<Lumiere>
go look at zope3
22:19
see how it was meant to be
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<monteslu>
i write it fast as hell too
22:20
python's not bad
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and guido is making it more and more like java everyday
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<monteslu>
I think I'm probably too tired and crabby for irc right now
22:21
<spackle>
fiesty anyway
22:21
<monteslu>
hehe yeah
22:22
<Lumiere>
ow
22:22* Lumiere pulls out his hammer
22:22
<sbalneav>
Ah, looks like the patch I came up with for nbd-server got put into upstream,
22:23
nice.
22:23
<monteslu>
acutally if it works and its cross platform I don't care which language it's written in.
22:25
<Lumiere>
monteslu: web apps++
22:26
<spackle>
installing software is the pits, updating it 2xpits
22:29
<Lumiere>
spackle: yes
22:29
SchoolTool will be in Gutsy...
22:30
but unfortunately it is not going to be everything yet
22:49
<jammcq>
sbalneav: you rock
22:50
<sbalneav>
:)
22:51
<Lumiere>
hi jammcq
22:51
<jammcq>
hey Lumiere
22:51
how's it goin?
22:51
<Lumiere>
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
22:51
just got off a CanDo/SchoolTool sprint
22:51
<jammcq>
yeah, I'm heading upstairs in a few seconds
22:51
<Lumiere>
and I am pretty spent ;)
22:51
<jammcq>
cool
22:52
<Lumiere>
and I am starting to play with compiz-fusion
22:52
<monteslu>
web apps++ indeed
22:52
<Lumiere>
monteslu: only warning from us is... use firefox ;)
22:53
<monteslu>
hehe, I've got that message on the help section of our corporate extranet
22:53
<Lumiere>
IE6 is unsupported from my team (I don't care enough to pay them to make it work in IE :)
22:53
<sbalneav>
Finally getting around to fixing a longstanding irritant of mine with some of the ltsp init scripts.
22:53
<Lumiere>
sbalneav: cool... and ltns scottie :)
22:54
<sbalneav>
I'm adding an XORG_CONF variable, which will do the exactly the same thing as the XF86CONFIG_FILE variable, but properly named.
22:54* Lumiere is contemplating buying a DDR mat and forcing himself to get into shape
22:54
<Lumiere>
sbalneav: deprication warnings pls ;)
22:54
<jammcq>
heh
22:54
<sbalneav>
You just got it :)
22:54
<Lumiere>
rofl
22:54
not for me ;)
22:55
<sbalneav>
I'll keep the old one around, we'll phase it out in a version or two.
22:55
<Lumiere>
I don't use the variable (my edubuntu-dapper works just fine w/o it)
22:55
sbalneav: I just suggest some piece of 'omgwtfbbq this is going away soon' ;)
22:55
(speaking of bbq... bbq dinner mmmmm)
22:56
<spackle>
mmmmm
22:56
<monteslu>
got orange chicken and sweet and sour pork waiting for me at home
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22:57
<Lumiere>
heh... I got something at the soccer game tonight
22:58
<monteslu>
ok, now that I've got one Muekow server up and connected to ldap... what's the best way to get clients to hit the second ltsp server?
22:58
split them up in lts.conf
22:58
<Lumiere>
(yes... I was at the beckham game... yes I was screaming boos at him)
22:59
<monteslu>
or some other fancier newfangled loadbalancing technique
22:59
soccer--
22:59
though the world cup head butt thing was kinda neat
22:59
saw it just after getting my hd tv
23:01* Lumiere doesn't like monteslu anymore ^^ (I'm a DC United season ticket holder, and have been for 12 years now)
23:01
<monteslu>
hehe
23:03
its not that I hate soccer, its just tha basketball is starting up in 2 months
23:04
and my Suns are gonna get it done this year.
23:04* Lumiere finds basketball to be somewhat boring (although more interesting then baseball or football)
23:06
<monteslu>
basketball, then football and futbol for a tie, baseball a distant 17th or so after the maybe UFC cage matches or something
23:07
<Lumiere>
lol yea
23:07
footy is very fun to watch with teams that are play a fun style
23:09
<monteslu>
all they have to do is shorten the goal a little, have the keeper move away from it, and let them use their hands
23:09
oh and shorten the field and make it a hardwood floor :)
23:10
<Lumiere>
lol bleh
23:11
my thing is that there isn't the strategy in basketball
23:11
<monteslu>
sure there is, purchase big guys
23:11
oh and run fast
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<monteslu>
well I better head home. I don't think I'll solve any of my muekow issues tonight. And I've got another day left
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23:29
<spackle>
my thin client keeps saying nfsmount: need a path, but I don't see a path option in the DHCP settings, what should it be?
23:30
this is from edubuntu
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<spackle>
I assume it picks the option up from dhcp?
23:32
this: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386" ?
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23:37
<sbalneav>
spackle: Could you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot?
23:37
!pastebot
23:37
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
23:45
<spackle>
sbalneav: it's booting now. Just can't figure out why I can't login now.
23:46
<sbalneav>
Need to do an ltsp-update-sshkeys?
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<spackle>
locate ltsp-update-sshkeys
23:50
can I add a whole network to the ssh known hosts?
23:51
ooh, hey! 'tis working now!
23:51
sbalneav: many thanks!
23:51
<sbalneav>
NP