IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 January 2013   (all times are UTC)

00:38
<vagrantc>
this is a crude implementation of an idea i had a long time ago that i finally got around to: http://paste.debian.net/222662/
00:38
essentially, it downloads the entire NBD image into ram!
00:58
<markit>
vagrantc: ||cw with previous ubuntu version there was no problem, with 12.04 there is
00:59
so don't know if ServerAlias * has been removed because is better set something else different and this is just a (wrong) workaround
00:59
I've to go to sleep, I know that is the solution, but don't know why :)
00:59
<vagrantc>
ok :)
01:00
<markit>
otherwise in cups error_log you find lines like
01:00
E [06/Jan/2013:13:09:44 +0100] Request from "192.168.20.104" using invalid Host: field "server"
01:01
maybe some ltsp script must be fixed with newer cups?
01:01
if some ltsp guru could investigate and solve in a cleaner way I would be happy
01:01
good night :)
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07:28
<fuzai>
has anyone ever made a bluetooth headset work as an audio device?
07:28
with an ltsp client?
07:32
<muppis>
If it works with Pulseaudio, it works in ltsp as well. At least in Ubuntu.
07:32
<fuzai>
it claims its setup
07:32
and it looks setup like a normal desktop would be
07:32
i'm just not seeing it in my pulseaudio loist
07:32
list
07:36
it shows blueman as a client but i don't see it as a source or a sink
07:38
<muppis>
Wierd. I don't have any experience from bluetooth audio in linux at all so I made some assumptions about how Pulseaudio works in between ltsp and normal system.
07:39
As so far it's has been gone that way. If it works with Pulseaudio in normal, it works with ltsp. Maybe it requires some piece of software to client to make it work.
07:40
Like some bt audio daemon.
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07:47
<avijit>
Heloo evrey one , i want to dissable usb divice in ubuntu ltsp-cluster please help me .
07:52
<vagrantc>
i don't know about ltsp-cluster, but in regular ltsp you'd configure LOCALDEV_DENY_USB=true
07:52
in lts.conf
07:52
so however ltsp-cluster sets those variables
07:54
<alkisg>
sbalneav: hi - about LP: #1072711, I think the proper way to solve it would be to make ldm run outside the X session (and only the greeter inside it),
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07:54
<alkisg>
but since that's unlikely to get implemented, I'll revert LDM r1454 and do a saving/restoring of the environment from shell scripts, ok?
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07:59
<avijit>
thanks for reply me , but i in ltsp-cluster there are regular lts.conf file is not working
08:01
in ltps-cluster where i will found LOCALDEV_DENY_USB=true that option
08:06
please tell me
09:11
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, hi. :-)
09:11
Saw your message about the Greek schools
09:12
Give me a bit more time please. And I'm talking weeks here, not days. ;-)
09:12
Hope to get to it before next meeting.
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09:12
<fuzai>
So after a bunch of trial, I ask my question again. has anyone been successful with getting a bluetooth headset to work with an ltsp client?
09:13
<Hyperbyte>
fuzai, sounds no more difficult than getting a bluetooth headset to work with regular Ubuntu really.
09:13
<fuzai>
pulse audio seems to see the clients, but doesn't setup sinks or sources for the bluetooth
09:14
I think there is some dbus permission problem
09:14
<Hyperbyte>
Ah, pulseaudio.
09:14
<fuzai>
because I can only run the bluetooth applications as root
09:14
after i add dbus-x11 and gconf2 and blueman i can usually get their console to pop up and pair with the device
09:15
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: ok - I'll make a note for greek teachers that want to put their schools on the map to wait for a few weeks - ty
09:15
<fuzai>
and i've installed the bluetooth / pulseaudio library
09:15
and i'm pretty sure that pulseaudio is configured per user
09:15
but on that note i can't seem to figure out how to restart pulse audio if it is the problem
09:16
i've tried relogging in after the terminal is paired with no luck
09:16
i'm kinda out of ideas to try
09:17
<Hyperbyte>
fuzai, pulseaudio on the client runs a bit differently than pulseaudio on a regular desktop system. Generally, pulseaudio runs as a process/module in the users' x11 session
09:17
<fuzai>
ok i guess the real question is
09:17
<Hyperbyte>
With LTSP, pulseaudio runs as a system daemon on the thin clients.
09:18
<fuzai>
i can run blueman as a user on a normal ubuntu desktop but not with ltsp
09:18
i would assume if i can get those to run as a user and not as root that pulse might cooperate a little better
09:18
how do i get blueman to run as a user
09:18
and disable what i believe are dbus permission problems
09:20
I could pastebin what i'm seeing as errors. It's alot of python, so most of it is greek to me
09:21
<Hyperbyte>
Well you're in luck
09:21
alkisg is from Greece
09:21
<alkisg>
:P
09:21
<fuzai>
:)
09:21
Sounds like I came to the right place
09:22
i'm going to reboot this client again and collect a bunch of data I guess
09:22
<Hyperbyte>
Anyway, sure, pastebin errors....
09:22
<fuzai>
theres just alot of them from various angles
09:22
<Hyperbyte>
I know zero about python and zero about bluetooth on Linux
09:22
<fuzai>
well i guess were even then
09:22
<Hyperbyte>
But I suppose some people in this channel might have some idea, so errors can't hurt.
09:23
<fuzai>
here i guess i might be able to give the cliff notes to this
09:24
http://pastebin.com/gWpZi2CN
09:24
thats what happens when i try to run a blueman-manager as a user
09:25
as root that will work and pair only after dbus-x11 bluetooth and gconf2 is installed and dbus and bluetooth services are started
09:27
<Hyperbyte>
Looks like it's problem with /usr/sbin/bluetoothd service
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09:33
<fuzai>
yea a permissions problem
09:37
brb
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09:41
<fuzai>
http://pastebin.com/zJR1zfsW
09:41
i added my user to the uucp group on the ltsp client and that seemed to help something
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09:52
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: is the map down? http://www.ltsp.org/stories/
09:54
OK it's up again... maybe ISP problems
09:56
<fuzai>
i think i figured it out
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10:54
<markit>
hi alkisg, fat can't see printers until I add ServerAlias * to /etc/cups/cupsd.conf wondering if they removed from stock config for some reasons I ignore and what is the "new way" to make it work except this "trick"
10:54
in cups error_log I had this before: E [06/Jan/2013:13:09:44 +0100] Request from "192.168.20.104" using invalid Host: field "server"
10:54
just in case it triggers you some idea ;P
10:54
(I'm at work, I read the chat sometime, will read later if you post)
10:55
<alkisg>
Hi markit
10:55
That's because you don't follow the sch-scripts wiki :P :D
10:55
I.e. to name your server "server"
10:57
<markit>
alkisg: I thought that was a "client side" stuff, i.e. done automatically
10:58
(I mean, fat clients can ping "server" and have it respond)
10:58
(even if server is called "myowncoolname")
10:58
<alkisg>
markit: yes, the problem is that the server doesn't know what "server" is
10:58
<markit>
mmm I tried to add also "server" in /etc/hosts
10:58
<alkisg>
So the cups client tells the server that it wants to contact the server named "server"
10:58
..and the server says, "what? I don't know anything named server"
10:59
<markit>
alkisg: well, first you should change name convention from "server" to "ltspsrv" or something less frequent and confusion-prone ;P
10:59
<alkisg>
You can put "server" in the server /etc/hosts if you want, that'll work around the problem
10:59
<markit>
I tried but did not worked
10:59
<alkisg>
markit: not my call, the clients have known the ltsp server as "server" from the dawn of time... before I joined ltsp :D
10:59
<markit>
well, was late night and was tired...
11:00
alkisg: yep, I mean "you = general"
11:00
<alkisg>
markit: well, the real solution is to put serveralias * in the server cups configuration
11:01
Or, to tell the clients the real hostname of the ltsp server
11:01
<markit>
ok, so the real new thing is that default config once had it and now has not, I think
11:01
<alkisg>
Possibly, yeah
11:01
<markit>
alkisg: well, btw realy clients should call it with it's real name and not "server"
11:01
ok, thanks a lot for the clarification
11:02
<alkisg>
markit: but then if you change the hostname you'll need to change the sshkeys + update the image too
11:02
Because now, with hardcoded name == server, you don't need to
11:02
Details... :)
11:03
<markit>
yes, every decision has pros and cons, and of course you notice a lot cons and think that pros are "normal" "just works"
11:04
(I really rarely change servers' hostname)
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11:37
<ltspuser_40>
hello
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11:39
<alkisg>
Hi
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11:58
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: a person here is trying to add some coordinates as the location in the stories form, and the decimal digits are changed, maybe you declared those vars as single precision? If so, can you change them to double precision?
11:59
Hyperbyte: location (38.291088,21.7964) gets transformed to (38.29525, 21.79316)
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12:14
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, hrm
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12:19
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, long/lat are columns with data type "decimal(8,5)" in MySQL
12:19
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: but in php?
12:19
<Hyperbyte>
That's a very good question.
12:19
You don't declare variables in PHP though, PHP just works that out by itself.
12:20
Maybe I'm executing some function over it that screws it up.
12:20
I think it's a whole different problem
12:20
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: he's reporting that it might have something to do with the map data as well
12:20
I.e. in some places it works, in some it doesn't
12:20
<Hyperbyte>
I think the problem is that the Google Maps interface snaps to roads.
12:21
Could that be it?
12:21
<alkisg>
Maybe you're running something like "google_find_nearest_place()" ?
12:21
It might, yes
12:21
<Hyperbyte>
I'm not running that, no... but, I do run functions that interpret the input and convert it to long/latitude
12:21
It stands to reason that Google does some converting there
12:22
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: but if they're long/lat, maybe you could store the original, untranslated numbers
12:22
So that if google maps later on finds out that there's a road there, it'll snap it correctly then
12:23
<Hyperbyte>
I don't think it's that big a problem really
12:23
My marker is about 100 meters away from my office too... so is the radio studio, there it places the marker on the parking lot in front of the door
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12:25
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: siahos1 reports that the pin gets located 1 km away from where he puts it
12:25
Not just 100 meters...
12:25
<siahos1>
hi
12:25
<Hyperbyte>
Hey siahos1 :-)
12:25
<alkisg>
And if google truely pins to roads, then it'll be an even bigger problem if it doesn't have any nearby roads in its database
12:25
The pin might get many Km away
12:26
<Hyperbyte>
There are no nearby roads
12:26
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.29109,21.7964
12:26
Open that
12:26
You'll see the green marker (that's the query) and the red A marker (the result)
12:26
<siahos1>
in my case I have an error about 900m
12:27
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.26009,21.7964
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12:28
<alkisg>
There it has many Km error
12:28
<Hyperbyte>
Right.
12:28
<alkisg>
So I think you should be storing the original values, not the ones returned by google...
12:28
<Hyperbyte>
Yes, but then I need to check if the original values are correct long/lat
12:28
Because it's made like this:
12:28
- send query to Google
12:28
- use whatever long/lat it returns
12:29
I don't check the original query. If somebody enters "Greece", Google returns long/lat for what it considers Greece
12:29
<alkisg>
It wouldn't be hard to check if it's valid long/lat
12:29
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, probably not, but I'm not a javascript wizard. :-)
12:30
How about I post the script, and you guys revise it? :-)
12:31
<alkisg>
Sure
12:31
<Hyperbyte>
Actually basically it's really simple
12:31
I have a function setMapAddress
12:31
Which gets 'address' as parameter
12:31
Then it does the Google query.
12:32
At the start if the function it should check "is address valid long/lat?" "if so, skip to the end"
12:32
<alkisg>
Put it to pastebin
12:32
<Hyperbyte>
No thanks
12:33
http://www.ltsp.org/stories/googlemaps-locationcheck.phps
12:33
Mucho easier. :-)
12:37* alkisg postpones fixing the sshfs problems for yet one more time ... :(
12:41
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: is it possible to get access to the server so that I don't have to set up a debugging environment?
12:41
<Hyperbyte>
I could create a javascript only version for you
12:42
Or, you could just create a javascript function that I can use
12:42
isValidLongLat() or whatever
12:42
Maybe Google's API has that already
12:43
<alkisg>
https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/javascript/v2/reference?hl=el#GLatLng
12:44
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah but
12:44
I don't have time to dive into the API
12:44
And I believe you have an account on server.ltsp.org, don't you?
12:44
<alkisg>
No
12:45
<Hyperbyte>
You set up the bot there didn't you?
12:45
<alkisg>
No, we did that with a shared screen if I remember well
12:45
<Hyperbyte>
Oh
12:45
Well anyway
12:46
I have a function that gets the field input as input, setAddress.
12:46
If you write some javascript function that checks if input is a valid long/lat, I'll make it so it doesn't go through Google
12:46
How's that?
12:47
Then you just have one function you can run function tests on
12:47
<alkisg>
latitude = Math.round(latlng.lat() * Math.pow(10,5)) / Math.pow(10,5);
12:47
E.g. could it be that it's not a google problem, but a rounding problem?
12:47
<Hyperbyte>
No
12:47
I don't buy that
12:47
900 meters is not a rounding problem
12:47
<alkisg>
Also, to test https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/javascript/v2/reference?hl=el#GLatLng and check if I can use it to implement "setAddress", a debugging environment would be handy
12:48
<Hyperbyte>
Especially not when it works much closer everywhere
12:48
And it snaps perfectly to roads....
12:48
<alkisg>
OK let me write a javascript function for long/lat validation...
12:49
<Hyperbyte>
I'll edit the .phps
12:51
<siahos1>
I think that the above mentioned calculation is the one that enters "noise" to the estimation of the exact location
12:51
It's like trying to hide the real coordinates deliberatelly
12:53
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, the .phps is now stand-alone.
12:53
Or should be.
12:53
Doesn't even require .php anymore
12:54
siahos1, no, what it does is round the long/lat numbers to 5 numbers behind comma precision
12:55* alkisg bbiab :)
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12:55
<Hyperbyte>
siahos1, I'm not hiding real coordinates deliberately. Just had to choose what precision to give the numbers and that was it.
12:56
Maybe 6 would've been better, but alas.
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<siahos1>
Hyperbyte: Yes I understand the estimation, but when it gets 38.291088 as a parameter (5 decimals) why it turns it to 38.29525
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13:16
<Hyperbyte>
siahos1, it snaps to roads. You pick a location, and Google changes it to the nearest road
13:16
Alkis is working on fixing that though. :)
13:17
I do appreciate you entering your success story and going through all the trouble to come here to explain what's going wrong
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13:21
<garymc>
Hi my LTSP server gives out DHCP to the whole office for everything. It keeps dropping connection to the internet every so often for 5 mins. How can I stop this?
13:26
<Hyperbyte>
Stop what? Dropping your internet every so often?
13:26
How are you so sure that your LTSP server is responsible?
13:38
<garymc>
cos i set it up
13:38
im not good, but it has dropped the connection, we had no internet, I reset the server and hey presto the internet came back
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14:47
<sbalneav>
wb alkisg
14:47
<alkisg>
Hi sbalneav, hi all
14:48
sbalneav: I've almost implemented a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1093144
14:48
By saving the environment at the LDM session phase,
14:48
and by restoring it at the stop phase + executing the cleanup scripts there,
14:48
<sbalneav>
Did the not terminating the socket help?
14:49
<alkisg>
and by moving the stop phase outside of ldm
14:49
sbalneav: the socket was only 1/100 of the problem... so I didn't even test it
14:49
<sbalneav>
ah, ok
14:49
<alkisg>
The actual problem was that the cleanup bits were running at the wrong place
14:49
So even with the socket alive there, they'd have the same problems
14:50
sbalneav: but btw, I am planning on moving the socket closure so that it's closed even if X crashes
14:50
I.e. from an ldm/rc.d/K* script
14:50
I hope that doesn't have any unwanted sideeffects...
14:51
But before all that /me is trying to get the javascript function for Hyperbyte to fix the maps problems... :-/
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: If you do have some time for LTSP, here are some bugs where your help would be much appreciated: 693151 (patch included), 1017871, 1094899 and 1094998
14:54
All of them require knowledge that the currently active ltsp devs don't have... :-/
14:55
<sbalneav>
k, looking
14:55
<alkisg>
ty
15:10
<ddmcse>
I am baffled by USB printing edubuntu 12.04 lts , network printers work fine
15:11
on the client getltscfg -a | grep PRINT
15:11
PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
15:11
PRINTER_0_TYPE = U
15:11
ls /dev/usb*
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/dev/usb:
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lp0 lp1
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lts.conf
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[ws022]
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PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
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PRINTER_0_TYPE = U
15:12
ltsp-server 5.3.7-0ubuntu2.3
15:12
I think it's some jetpipe thing
15:13
everything reports printing is working job completed but nothing comes out
15:13
been trying things listed here
15:14
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/996533
15:15
<alkisg>
PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usb/lp0
15:16
Since you say you have a subdirectory there...
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<ddmcse>
tada . problem solved thank you
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: function checkAddress() in http://paste.ubuntu.com/1509817/
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<knipwim>
alkisg: you know anything about the reasons why LTSP is so pervasive in Greece?
17:10
why did policymakers choose the thinclient/opensource direction
17:10
money? maintainability, or also security
17:11
<alkisg>
knipwim: 5 years ago there was a pilot program, testing ltsp in 20 schools
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They gave an ltsp server to each school that wanted to test linux
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I applied for that, and my school got accepted for the program
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The other 19 schools only used ltsp a bit... you know the results about my school :)
17:12
Next year, I got to be part of the ministry team that did the pilot program
17:12
Since then, I've been pushing ltsp however I could
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<jammcq>
so it's all your fault?
17:12
:)
17:12
<alkisg>
Nope! but I did play my part in spreading it...
17:13
<knipwim>
I'm wondering how to make it more popular in the Netherlands
17:13
<alkisg>
E.g. I have a forum where greek IT teachers chat, with 6+ million hits so far,
17:13
Well, since we started chatting about ltsp there, they had to try it :D
17:13
<knipwim>
we're very good in finding reasons not to change something
17:14
<alkisg>
Automation + software repositories + manuals also played a big role
17:14
<jammcq>
what we need is an article, something like: Greece: The road to recovery and how LTSP helped
17:14
<alkisg>
E.g. now with apt-get install sch-scripts they have their "server" ready,
17:14
...and with apt-get install gymnasio they have 5 gb of edu software installed
17:14
We've also published a lot of papers and done a lot of workshops
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E.g. in 20 cities the last 2 months, with about 50 IT teachers in each city
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<jammcq>
alkisg: those papers probably helped alot inside Greece. It'd be nice to have some papers for the rest of the world to see how it's worked
17:15
<alkisg>
jammcq: some of them are in english, in international magazines
17:15
<jammcq>
cool
17:17
<knipwim>
jammcq: "The linux terminal server project: thin clients and linux"
17:17
looks like yours
17:18
<alkisg>
http://www.irma-international.org/viewtitle/68385/
17:18
<knipwim>
4th hit in scholar.google.com for Linux Terminal Server Project
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<alkisg>
...they seem to not give a full version though
17:19
http://www.igi-global.com/article/content/68385
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging ==> The import has been suspended because it failed 5 or more times in succession.
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: can you get to the source?
20:00
alkisg: it's a mirror of something on bzr.debian.org
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<alkisg>
Hmm I thought we had fixed that part some time ago..
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<vagrantc>
dunno
20:03
probably something changed at either launchpad or bzr.d.o side
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: I'd ask in #launchpad if you have some time for it...
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Since you are the owner and can change/test stuff
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<vagrantc>
probably not today
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: ah, never mind
20:07
I pressed "try again", and it succeeded
20:07
Might have been some temporary networking problem, and it stopped trying
20:08
(the ldm branch first, now doing the ltsp branch...)
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/ldm/ldm-debian-packaging works while http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging doesn't - is an "ltsp" missing from the last one?
20:20
Hmm no
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<yalu_>
is LDM_DIRECTX still in order? it looks like I'm still logged in over ssh even though I have LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf
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<alkisg>
yalu: that's correct, ssh login is used even with ldm_directx=true
20:46
<yalu>
oh. why?
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<alkisg>
Because we want the authentication part to be secure, and just the X traffic to be unencrypted
20:47
It's not XDMCP, it's ssh + direct X, not over the ssh tunnel
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<yalu>
so ssh but with a different $DISPLAY and transferring of X cookies I presume
20:49
<alkisg>
Yes
20:49
That's LDM_DIRECTX.
20:50
<yalu>
I'm looking to help installing some form of thin client installation in a school in Nepal somewhere in the following year. Maybe it will be ltsp-based, maybe not. it seems a popular thin client model over there is based on arm cpu's
20:52
<alkisg>
For netbooted linux installations, ltsp is very nice
20:52
<yalu>
but for now I'm just trying i386 based machines as client
20:53
I used ltsp at home in a past life, it has become a lot more flexible and straightforward. I still have some issues with sound forwarding though
20:56
<alkisg>
Distro?
20:57
<yalu>
edubuntu 12.10
20:57
<alkisg>
I haven't heard of any recent sound issues...
20:57
It's supposed to just work
20:58
<yalu>
well I made a post tot the edubuntu-user ml earlier, we'll see if anyone had the same problem. it's not entirely reproducable and a little sparse on errors
20:59
<alkisg>
Do you have a sound device on the VM server?
21:00
And, does a local amixer see your sound device?
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<yalu>
well on the server I disabled audio (it's a virtualbox vm) but there is a /dev/snd/seq and timer, on the client in a debug console I can open alsamixer and see the devices
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<ltspuser_67>
Hi everyone
21:47
can someone help me
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<DiGiWoLf>
there is someone aviable to talk????
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<Hyperbyte>
DiGiWoLf, hi
21:52
!ask
21:52
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
21:53
<DiGiWoLf>
Hyperbyte: hi
21:53
im working with ltsp some years now
21:54
but yesterday the dhcp server stop to deliver the ip addresses
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i reinstall the server completely
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but the problem continue
21:54
i check the network card and its fine
21:55
i change the dhcp to dnsmasq
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and when i configure to lstp options do the same thing
21:56
stop to deliver ip addresses
22:00
<knipwim>
it's not a broken cable, or perhaps broken client network card?
22:00
<DiGiWoLf>
do u have any idea????
22:00
no ´cause its happens with all clients
22:00
and i change the cable too
22:01
<knipwim>
why did it fail all of a sudden, did you upgrade or change something?
22:01
<DiGiWoLf>
nop
22:02
just the lights off
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and the energy buckup turn off
22:02
but i reinstall the whole system
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and nothing
22:03
<vagrantc>
yalu: LTSP can run on any architecture
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<knipwim>
have you tried connecting a "normal" computer to the server, and see if that gets an ip
22:04
(to exclude LTSP from the context)
22:04* vagrantc spent the last couple weeks getting LTSP working with raspbian and the RaspberryPI
22:04
<knipwim>
hero
22:04
<DiGiWoLf>
no im going to try it now
22:04
<knipwim>
i've tried berryterminal, but it didn't boot :(
22:05
<vagrantc>
well, raspbian should work essentially out of the box now.
22:05
oh, you have to specify which kernel to download
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<vagrantc>
and manually copy the kernel + initrd to the SD card for booting ... no network booting
22:06* vagrantc tried petitboot and pxe-kexec but kexec didn't seem to work well enough for either to work.
22:07
<knipwim>
and you boot with init=/sbin/ltsp-init ?
22:09
<vagrantc>
yup
22:09
knipwim: it just finally got a kernel that's good enough
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<knipwim>
nice, maybe get to work on it for gentoo in the weekend
22:12
but first, bedtime :)
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<yalu>
vagrantc: raspbian: cool, I got to remember that. I looked at berry terminal, still have to test drive it
22:21
so raspbian can be installed on an ssd or something and then you need to build an ltsp client image on the raspberry?
22:22
<vagrantc>
you can build a more conventional LTSP environment on an i386 or amd64 server, and then just copy the kernel and initrd to SD
22:22
using qemu-user-static
22:22
it supports cross-architecture arm chroots
22:23
i.e. on my amd64 server: apt-get install qemu-user-static ; ltsp-build-client --arch armhf --dist wheezy --mirror http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian ...
22:24
you need to download the raspbian keyring, also.
22:26
<yalu>
very neat
22:29
<vagrantc>
you could actually put the whole LTSP image on SD, too.
22:30
i'll writeup a howto this friday and post to ltsp-discuss
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<ltspuser_99>
anyone around ?
23:36
<andygraybeal>
i am, i'm not much of a help though
23:37
<ltspuser_99>
ever had any issues with scanners going through LTSP ?
23:37
usb ones that is :)
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<andygraybeal>
ah no, i only have network scanners
23:39
<ltspuser_99>
got them working ok ?
23:39
<andygraybeal>
oh yea, just great, but it's not usb :)
23:39
so i'm not dealing with local devices :)
23:39
<ltspuser_99>
dam
23:39
<andygraybeal>
but i mean, like i said, i'm not the guy to bug
23:40
<ltspuser_99>
ok
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23:41
<andygraybeal>
yuo followed the ltsp website stuff on ubuntu?
23:41
<Tommy100>
yeah
23:41
<andygraybeal>
that is like my bible then i look around for blogs
23:41
then i come here and bug as many people as possible :)
23:41
i bet everyone is asleep
23:41
<Tommy100>
it pulls in all other USB devices, just not the epson scanners :)
23:41
they all need to wake up
23:42
<andygraybeal>
i got brother mfc's over ethernet and brscan3 w/ xsane
23:44
they are fairly inexpensive and work well so far.
23:44
and my staff loves them.
23:44
well, they don't do cardstock or legal.. but other than that the staff likes them.
23:44
er wait, maybe it's just cardstock they dont' do
23:45
i had a HP's.. and everyone hated them
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<andygraybeal>
sry accidentally closed irc
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<Tommy100>
hrmm, yeah these are meat to be dine with xsane, but no joy
23:52
could try another scanner I guess
23:53
something not right in LTSP i think
23:53
<andygraybeal>
yea, wait till yuo talk to alkisg and the othre guys before you toss anything out
23:54
<Tommy100>
good plan