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Channel log from 21 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<daduke>
does anybody happen to know how I can add an additional module (network) to ltsp? Apparently it's not enough to compile it with the same kernel version, put it to ../kernel/drivers/net and then recreate the initrd. I suspect there's a depmod missing or something, but how can I run it on a r/o NFS? Thanks...
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<klausade>
daduke: what driver is this?
05:02
<daduke>
klausade: r6040 for eth0. I got it into the initrd now, but the system hangs at IP-Config: eth0.. now
05:04
<klausade>
daduke: it boots, but there is no support in the initrd?
05:05
<daduke>
klausade: it boots from PXE but then hangs when configuring eth0
05:07
<klausade>
daduke: what kerneldo you use on the clients?
05:09
daduke: is that a wifi card?
05:12
<daduke>
klausade: I don't know what kerneldo is. The machine is a http://www.vortex86sx.com/index2.html with a not-in-kernel r6040 eth0
05:13
<klausade>
daduke: s/kerneldo/kernel do/
05:13
<daduke>
klausade: we tracked it down to "(192.33.99.247) at <incomplete> on eth0" on the DHCP server - seems it does not announce its MAC address. Funny thing is, another plain vanilla etch is running fine on the SX.
05:14
klausade: sorry, should've guessed that myself :) it's standard etch 2.6.18-5-486
05:16
klausade: do you know whether 'IP-Config: eth0 hardware address <mac> mtu 1500 DHCP' is something ltsp specific?
05:16
<klausade>
daduke: aah, you have one of those new cards without a mac-addresse, funny those.
05:16
daduke: don't know.
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<daduke>
klausade: well, I see the MAC on the screen, and in the 'other' etch it also gets announced, just in LTSP I seem to have a problem
05:21
klausade: found the string 'IP-Config' in /dev/core, but I don't think this is it...
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:05
<Guaraldo>
Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:06
<ogra>
!s
08:06
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:06
<sbalneav>
Morning!
08:08
Sigh. So, we need to re-do our old Mail/NFS server
08:08
I used to use Exim4/BincIMAP
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but binc's dead upstream, and Ubuntu Server supports dovedot.
08:09
so, now, I have to convert 200 imap depos from IMAPdir to Maildir++
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all without losing any mail
08:09
<ogra>
i used to use postfix and cyrus-imapd with sasl auth on my last setup
08:09
<sbalneav>
all without losing any tags/state
08:09
yeah, I'll switch to postfix as well.
08:10
<ogra>
postifix and dovecot are likely to go as ubuntu-mail-server metapackage soon
08:10
<sbalneav>
yeah, that's why I'll switch to them now.
08:10
<ogra>
or ubuntu-mail-server task, not sure what they'll decide on
08:11
but they'll come bundled :)
08:11
<sbalneav>
then when hardy comes out, we'll start tracking LTS here at Legal Aid.
08:11
<ogra>
makes sense
08:14
sbalneav, are you ok with me setting up everything for a committable branch on LP ? vagrant wants something he can commit the debian patches to and i need to get ubuntu ltsp started somehow (upstream import stop is dec 13th) i'd be fine to do the initial work so you have your hands free
08:23
i think setting up a trunk branch from what we have now should be a good start ... with commit rights for you, warren, vagrant and me for the beginning and indeed we all have to agree to not merge anything undiscussed
08:25
then if all stuff is merged properly into trunk we can branch off a release tree ...
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Ah, yeah, I fixed up my ltsp branch last night.
08:52
I was going to create my hardy branches today.
08:53
<ogra>
did you include the debian patches ?
09:02
<sbalneav>
Well, I included the debian initscripts, and the defaults file
09:04
<ogra>
i mean vagrants patches from debian :)
09:05
not the debian dir
09:05
<sbalneav>
ah, no I haven't :)
09:06
<ogra>
i'm fine to start off with what we have now, but vagrant cant until his patches apply without confilcts
09:06
thas why i proposed the trunk branch based on your current tree
09:07
so i can roll pre release tarballs and vagrant has something to commit to thats not moving
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<sbalneav>
Sounds fine
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<charlie>
hello all
09:11
has anyone tested ltsp on a quad core system
09:11
<ogra>
sure
09:12
<charlie>
any bugs
09:12
<ogra>
many people use it on such HW
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<charlie>
???
09:12
ok thanks
09:12
looking forward to purchasing one
09:12
and playing around with it
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<ogra>
hey jammcq
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<ogra>
vagrantc, !
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<Guaraldo>
hi, jammcq...
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<vagrantc>
ogra: committer has two m's :P
10:48
<ogra>
meh
10:48
well, warren wants it changed anyway :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: why not just ltsp-upstream ?
10:49
<warren>
"ltsp-upstream"
10:49
<ogra>
ok
10:49
done
10:50
<rcy>
vagrantc: do you know what's broken with the ldm autologin in gutsy? How would I begin looking into fixing it?
10:50
<ogra>
(btw you can all do that yourselves as well, you are all team admins)
10:50
<vagrantc>
rcy: i don't know what's broken ... ogra might have a better guess
10:50
<ogra>
rcy, get sbalneav some spare time
10:50
(which he hasnt)
10:51
<rcy>
ok, well i have some spare time, thats the best i can do :)
10:51
<ogra>
feel free to add more logs and info to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794
10:51
<rcy>
ogra: ok
10:51
<ogra>
i'll try to take a look next week on whats going on ... i'm very busy myself with work stuff atm
10:52
<rcy>
ah, the first report there is the kind of info im looking for
10:52
<vagrantc>
i should try and get virtualbox running today
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<vagrantc>
for some reason i can't quite figure out ... X just stopped working for me in qemu.
10:55
<ogra>
weird
10:59
<vagrantc>
i definitely had it working with etch and the etch backport i had released ... but now i just get a black screen when it tries to start X.
10:59
<ogra>
using which X config script ?
10:59
<vagrantc>
and i've been meaning to try virtualbox anyways
11:00
ogra: that's the part i don't remember. i've tried both the one that uses X -configure as well as the one that uses dexconf and freinds ...
11:00
neither seem to be working
11:00
<ogra>
weird
11:01
<vagrantc>
i haven't tried a manually created config, i guess.
11:01
<ogra>
vesa should always work
11:02
<vagrantc>
yeah, maybe i should force vesa ...
11:02
it tries cirrus
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<ogra>
hmm
11:06
<warren>
where's q-funk...
11:07
he might be interested to hear that Fedora is adding geode as a sub-arch
11:07
meaning we will have a geode specific kernel, glibc and openssl
11:07
<ogra>
wow, thats cool
11:07
he will party :)
11:09
<vagrantc>
ogra: so the URL for ltsp-upstream is the same as the one you posted minus the "comitters" part?
11:09
<ogra>
right
11:10
i sent a mail some mins ago with the new urls
11:10
<vagrantc>
ah, ok.
11:10
why trunk ?
11:10
<ogra>
i promise i wont touch the branch until your stuff is landed :)
11:10
<vagrantc>
heh
11:11
<ogra>
to branch off a /ltsp/5.1 release branch if we're done
11:11
trunk is the moving target
11:12
which we should freeze at some point, then branch off a release branch ... and unfreeze afterwards
11:12
<vagrantc>
every release should be tagged in some way
11:12
<ogra>
fixes for released branches will be based on the release branch ... general development happens in trunk
11:12
<warren>
that's what mkdist tag is for
11:12
mkdist --tag
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<ogra>
right
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<warren>
ogra, btw, I decided that mkdist --test is better than --force
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and I gave up on single letter flags
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<ogra>
feel free to commit that ;)
11:13
but make sure to not clash wih vagrant
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<warren>
is the new name up now?
11:13
<ogra>
sure
11:13
takes a second to change :)
11:14
<warren>
ogra, for a different project I also made export_changelog()
11:14
ogra, bzr log > Changelog
11:14
<ogra>
hmm
11:14
might make sense
11:15
makedis --test still needs a proper suffix btw ...
11:15
for the versioning
11:16
oh, hmm
11:16
<vagrantc>
!dhcp
11:16
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "dhcp" is not a valid command.
11:16
<vagrantc>
!dhcpd
11:16
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "dhcpd" is the bit on the LTSP server that hands out IP addresses to your thin clients
11:16
<vagrantc>
hrm.
11:16
<ogra>
the makedist version in trunk is not whats in my branch on ltsp.org
11:17
<vagrantc>
hey, this new upstream branch is not nearly as full of conflicts :)
11:17
<warren>
ogra, bzr log > Changelog is problematic for ltsp though
11:17
<vagrantc>
warren: does fedora patch dhcpd to not require the next-server option?
11:18
<warren>
ogra, since all of the repos came from a common ancestor, it is too full of garbage to be usable.
11:18
vagrantc, let me check
11:18
<vagrantc>
warren: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP
11:19* vagrantc makes the case if upstream dhcpd requires the next-server option, then upstream ltsp should have the dhcpd.conf use the next-server option
11:19
<warren>
man, dhcp is a huge mess
11:19
<vagrantc>
heh
11:19
<ogra>
heh
11:19
<vagrantc>
ubuntu patches dhcpd to behave like it used to ...
11:19
<ogra>
i dont think anyone else does
11:19
<vagrantc>
debian dhcpd maintainers refuse to do so
11:19
<warren>
Fedora has 22 patches to dhcp, some huge.
11:19
has upstream been dead or something?
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<ogra>
warren, grep for siaddr in the patches
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<warren>
* Wed Sep 26 2007 David Cantrell <dcantrell@redhat.com> - 12:3.0.6-7
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- In dhcp.conf.5, explain that if no next-server statement applies to the
11:20
requesting client, the address 0.0.0.0 is used (#184484).
11:20
ogra, we added to the man page to warn people about it
11:20
<ogra>
ah
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<warren>
ogra, but we don't patc hit
11:21
ogra, knowing our dhcp maintainer he will refuse this.
11:21
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
where can I find about bandwidth use with ltsp?
11:21
I'm always questioned about it at the events
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<ogra>
you should have a 100MBit network if you have more than a few clints ... it totally depends on the use and amount of clients you run
11:25
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ogra: there's some way to calculate the network traffic?
11:26
about ltsp
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<vagrantc>
gah. this is hell
11:27
i am so weary of attempting to merge this stuff
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<ogra>
as i said it totally depends on the apps you use, the desktop, etc ... there is no formula ... if you run 20 clients and all watch youtub at the same time thats different from running 5 clients who use openoffice writer
11:28
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ogra: all right.... we have about 200 clients.. and no network problem
11:28
thanks
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<ogra>
in general i'd recommend having a 100MBti network
11:29
*Bit
11:29
upwards from a certain scale you should have gigybit connections between the server and the switch
11:29
*gigabit
11:31
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ogra: we use 100MB and gigabit at servers and switches
11:32
<rcy>
you might be able to run ntop or something on the ltsp server to get a view of the actual traffic patterns at your site
11:51
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "X don't go" (23 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/370
11:52
<vagrantc>
so, i get a black screen ... ldm seems to start ... but no X
11:52
<ogra>
tried a static config ?
11:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: looks like X never even tries to start ... there's no /var/log/Xorg.6.log
11:54
there's an Xorg.1.log from the configuration process
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<ogra>
very strange
11:54
<vagrantc>
seems like maybe it's hung on the xauth process or something ?
11:55
<ogra>
is /root writeable ?
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<vagrantc>
i made it writeable
11:55
it's not writeable by default, but i configured it to be
11:56
.Xauthority seems to be properly written
11:59
well, i think i have a merge of ltsp trunk and the changes in debian
11:59
<ogra>
yay#
12:00
<johnny_>
hmm.. lots of work...
12:01
<vagrantc>
sbalneav, ogra, warren, jammcq: should i just go ahead and commit them? they're mostly translation updates ...
12:01
<ogra>
sure
12:01
<vagrantc>
i mean, there's definitely other stuff
12:02
<ogra>
like ?
12:02
<vagrantc>
ogra: should i just publish the branch?
12:02
<ogra>
for review ... sounds good
12:03
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, i guess you could look at the changes here: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/ltsp/current/changelog
12:03
ogra: skipping the ubuntu changelog entries ...
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<ogra>
looks fine
12:04
"plugin to copy server's Packages files into chroot"
12:05
do you bind mount the chroots /var/cache/apt/archives ? or ow do you get them in the servers cache ?
12:05
<vagrantc>
ogra: the one you won't like is the change to dhcpd.conf ...
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<ogra>
i'm fine with patching that during packaging
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<vagrantc>
ogra: cp /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages
12:05
<ogra>
ah, only the Packages* db
12:05
<vagrantc>
and cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
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<ogra>
well, how do you get any packages in there ?
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<vagrantc>
it's handy if you're on a slow network
12:06
i leave them there ... and it also copies them back there at the end of a build ...
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<ogra>
we should have an option to bind mount the chroot into the servers cace on the first run
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<vagrantc>
it's not enabled by default, just a plugin with a commandline switch
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<ogra>
so you populate /var/cache/apt/archives/ with the first call of ltsp-build-client
12:07
<vagrantc>
ogra: i used to do that with lessdisks, but it was too easy to do evil if somehow it failed to umount ... and then you rm -rf /opt/ltsp/*
12:07
<ogra>
yeah, indeed
12:07
<vagrantc>
but same idea
12:07
it copies them back at the end ...
12:08
those two plugins are very simple, but very useful if you've got a slow network
12:08
<ogra>
"configure tzdata after installing /etc/timezone" might clash with a fix sbalneav did in gutsy
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i think i forked the Debian plugin from the ubuntu one
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<ogra>
/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/035-copy-timezone
12:09
ah, k
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i tend not to modify the Ubuntu stuff unless i'm absolutely sure it's a typo or bug
12:09
<ogra>
well, from my POV the stuff looks fine ...
12:10
get warren and sbalneav agreement and merge :)
12:10
<vagrantc>
the majority of the changes are in the Debian plugins dir and updated translations
12:10
<ogra>
right
12:10
btw we shoud ahve a translation expert to look over ldm one day
12:10
<vagrantc>
indeed.
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<ogra>
i'D like to have it translateable in the next release
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<vagrantc>
i wonder if asking for help on debian-i18n would be appropriate
12:11
yeah, me too
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<hriday>
hi, i m trying to modify xkb file to include some characters as defined in our language. i did the changes but it is not reflecting
12:16
how do i do that. i am using debian etch x11
12:17
xfree86
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<vagrantc>
etch doesn't use xfree86 ...
12:18
it uses X.org
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hriday: are you using ltsp-server for your LTSP environment?
12:18
hriday: or ltsp-utils ?
12:18
they are incompatible.
12:19
<hriday>
yes
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<vagrantc>
ltsp-server or ltsp-utils ?
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<hriday>
but i could not find xorg.xml in etx.x11/xkb/
12:20
say in rules folder
12:20
<vagrantc>
this isn't really anything LTSP specific
12:21
<hriday>
yes true to many extent
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<vagrantc>
would probably be better to try one of the debian help channels ...
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<hriday>
tried no replies, any suggestion ?
12:21
irc.debian.org etc
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<vagrantc>
i don't really know anything about custom keymaps
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<hriday>
fine, no issues.. thanks.:-)
12:22
information is so less about these topics
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<vagrantc>
but if you're using ltsp-server, then it will be the same as for any debian system. if you're using ltsp-utils, then maybe someone who knows ltsp 4.x can help you
12:23
so it would be useful to know which version of LTSP you are using
12:23
<hriday>
i have installed ltsp server and it 's running fine otherwise but i need to change the keyboard for the clients
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<vagrantc>
yes, i understand that
12:23
hriday: with ltsp-build-client ?
12:23
<hriday>
the thing is i am trying to change the keyboard first at the debian server itself , but it's not working
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yes client built using ltsp-build-client
12:24
<vagrantc>
ok.
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<hriday>
and i had to give a demo tomorrow :-)
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<vagrantc>
hriday: you would need to change something in /opt/ltsp/i386, probably.
12:25
hriday: changing it on the server will not likely do anything
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<hriday>
yes, if it works in the server, then i can go ahead to change the same in opt/ltsp/
12:25
i mean it also has to work in the server
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<vagrantc>
hriday: first, figure out how to change it on a normal system, and then if that works, you'll make the same changes to the chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386
12:25
ah, yes.
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<hriday>
yes
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<vagrantc>
but unfortunately, i don't know much more to help you
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<ogra>
do you already have the right keyap setting in your lts.conf file ?
12:26
*keymap
12:26
<hriday>
the thing is that i am not getting from where xorg reads the keyboard map...
12:26* ogra wonders which keymap that is thats missing chars)
12:27
<hriday>
orga: can u tell me first of how to chnage that in debian itself
12:27
<ogra>
no, but vagrant should bbe able to
12:27
<hriday>
hey, is there any irc channel for xorg
12:27
<vagrantc>
no, the defaults work for me :P
12:27* ogra is ubuntu developer and knows thats something handled differently in debian
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<hriday>
orga: how do u do that in ubuntu
12:28* vagrantc is an imperialist and everything caters to us keymaps
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<ogra>
for ltsp you just have to set XKBLAYOUT and XKBVARIANT in lts.conf
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<vagrantc>
hriday: do you need to modify the keymaps, or just change which keymap to use ?
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<ogra>
in ubuntu i reconfigure the console-setup package
12:29
<hriday>
i need to modify just the keymaps
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<ogra>
which isnt in etch
12:29
<vagrantc>
ogra: it is in etch, actually
12:29
<ogra>
oh
12:29
<vagrantc>
ogra: just not installed by default
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<ogra>
i thought it was post etch stuff
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<vagrantc>
i don't know if anything makes use of that
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<ogra>
likely not ...
12:29
<vagrantc>
but it's there
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<ogra>
ubuntu is centered around it
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<vagrantc>
seems much simpler, for sure.
12:30
<ogra>
yeah
12:30
i think debian considers a switch with lenny
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at least thats what i was told some months ago
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<vagrantc>
it's installed in sid and maybe lenny's ltsp
12:31
lenny is still at 5.0.8*
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<ogra>
aww
12:31
<vagrantc>
waiting on the powerpc buildd
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actually, it's a chain of waiting ... the ltsp powerpc build is waiting for gtk+2.0 ... which was built on the 18th, but not yet uploaded ...
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<ogra>
why is debian so slow there ?
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<vagrantc>
i would really like to get 5.0.39debian1 into lenny before switching to the new upstream stuff
12:34
ogra: no idea
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usually the powerpc buildd is reasonably fast ... must have been some ugly toolchain problems or something
12:36
and the primary debian mirror had some ugly problems that effectively stalled any progress for at least 5 days
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<ogra>
ah
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<vagrantc>
/etc/X11/X -> /bin/true
12:54
well, that'll do it
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i'm feeling really stupid right about now
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i was messing with a feature that basically disables xserver-xorg's postinst ...
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<vagrantc>
and configure-x.sh uses Xorg -configure
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it all makes sense
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well, at least i tested virtualbox in the process
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<Gadi>
howdy!!!
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how's everybody doing?
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<rjune>
Gadi: !
13:11
we had something funny happen at my grandmother's wake
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My aunt is catholic, and she married a jewish guy. While the priest is wrapping up his liturgy, their son yells out, "My daddy doesn't believe in jesus." the poor guy didn't know what to do
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<vagrantc>
heh
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that reminds me of a "give em hell" as the last thing i said after speaking at a freinds wake
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and then realizing that a lot of his family was pretty devout mormons
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<Gadi>
oy vey :)
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<rjune>
LOL
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how're you doing gadi?
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<Gadi>
thank God, rjune
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just had oral surgery this morning, so my mouth is sore
13:35
but, aside from that...
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<jammcq>
hmm
13:35
oral? what, they talked you through it?
13:35* Gadi wishes
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<Gadi>
meanwhile...
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any of you Ubuntu LTSP5 users change the screensaver settings in gconf-editor before rolling out a server?
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We've had all these mysterious 'freezing' issues and I just noticed that the default screensaver setting is to some single ubuntu-themed ss
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<jcastro>
Gadi: I totally disabled the SS at my old job
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<rjune>
I'm sure with a name like castro, there's a *REALLY* funny joke there. but I'm missing it
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<Gadi>
jcastro: yeah, I had in previous installs, as well, but mostly because of glx
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<jcastro>
Gadi: plus when they added the switch user thing I ended up with tons of idle sessions of people logged in
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<vagrantc>
ogra: is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/trunk/ created with the --append-revisions-only flag?
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<dan__t>
hi
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<cliebow>
Ho!!!
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<BGomes>
ogra: hi
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sbalneav: u are here?
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<IRCzito>
...
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<BGomes>
IRCzito: hi
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IRCzito: see this http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP-SVN
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IRCzito: writen C ldm
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<IRCzito>
sbalneav: are you here?
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<BGomes>
IRCzito: no :)
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IRCzito: I think ubuntu Gutsy LTSP use this now
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IRCzito: see this https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp
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<IRCzito>
BGomes: maybe now ldm is write in C for get more performance. Whath you think?
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BGomes: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/files/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20071008091845-31fpsil817otgpnw?file_id=ldm20.1-20070611142051-jkh2vwmsp70sequl-1
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BGomes: ldm2
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<BGomes>
:)
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IRCzito: read this http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/LTSP_Meeting_2007-04-24
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IRCzito: "If you know python and shell scripting please get in touch with us. "
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