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Channel log from 5 October 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<monteslu>
warren, does f9+ltsp5 have the same nbd issues that ubuntu does?
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<warren>
monteslu: what 'Issues"?
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<ogra>
warren, reconnect
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<warren>
correct, nobody used -persist before
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<ogra>
you need the persist option for the client so it reconnects automatically on a server downtime
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<warren>
I didn't try it because vagrantc said it caused instability?
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<ogra>
nah, it doesnt
07:26
didnt stephane submit that yesterday to the upstram code (for swap as well)
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*upstream
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<warren>
that isn't upstream
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ogra: only debian and ubuntu use that part
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<ogra>
you dont use nbdswap ?
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oh, well there persist would probably make no sense anyway
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as you would get an empty swapfile after a server reboot
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i think thats what vagrant meant with instability, it makes only sense with readonly stuff
07:30* ogra remembers again
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<warren>
if that's the case, then the -persist doesn't help
07:32
you need to TURN OFF nbd swap to use your ltsp-cluster
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<ogra>
it helps with the rootfs
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but not with swap
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<warren>
until it realizes swap is gone
07:32
boom
07:33
the kernel VM is aggressive at using swap
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even if you have ample amounts of ram
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<ogra>
the root image content doesnt change, it will be the same after a reconnect, if you lose swap you are lost anyway
07:33
<warren>
you need swap on a different server then
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<ogra>
(but imho you are lost if you even *use* it )
07:33
thats why i pushed so much for compcache
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which is in intrepid now
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and should prevent swap usage to a certain point
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we should probably consider setting swappiness to a low value upstream
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i think we all use kernels that understand that setting
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<warren>
ogra: setting swapiness is not a good idea. you know very well that isn't sufficient to protect a user
08:31
<ogra>
no, but it lowers the risk
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<alkisg>
stgraber, italc has problems with the "guest" feature of intrepid: "cannot start ISD server" if I remember well. Is this a known problem? I think a check (if not already loaded ...) would be useful in this case but in other cases also (I've seen this error many times).
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<monteslu>
ogra, you still there?
09:17
I've been dead in the water for a few days now. "Starting Gnome display manager" hanging. Tons of nbd I/O error messages in /var/log/messages
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no one on the list seems to have any ideas about what to do
09:18
Pretty sure the school has lost faith in ltsp this year because of all the downtime, and I'm not sure how to fix it. We've been using ltsp for years
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<warren>
anyone here for the k12linux meeting?
09:37
(I didn't tell anyone that I would be here today.)
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<petre>
warren, ping
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<warren>
petre: pong
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<petre>
I got an email pointing out that I'd forgotten to do the CLA for Fedora contributors
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which I've now completed
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but the email also said I needed a sponsor.
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I also thought I saw something in the CLA process saying I need to email a pdf of some sort of signed agreement
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do you know anything about this process?
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<warren>
petre: there is no PDF of signed agreement
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petre: cla is only a click thru
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<warren>
petre: you don't need a sponsor if you are doing only wiki edits
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<petre>
right, and I did that, and it says I'm all completed
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<monteslu>
so how do i kill all the nbd stuff?
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my clients are all 128mb or higher
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should be enough right?
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Sure would be nice if I had a clues as to what the edubuntu 8.04 defaults were
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there should be a default lts.conf with that stuff in it, even if commented out
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<johnny>
monteslu, ??
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you need nbd for boot
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nbd should be faster than booting from nfs
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<monteslu>
you need nbd?
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it thought it was just for swaping
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<johnny>
nbd swap is off by default
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<monteslu>
well I've got thousands of nbd I/O errors in /var/log/messages
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this is a normal 8.04 ltsp install, single server
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<johnny>
yes.. it's why you have to run ltsp-update-image
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when you change the chroot
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<monteslu>
i didn't change anything
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i did a the build and it was working
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originally, i mean. I did the build the like the doc said
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<johnny>
just saying that if you ever change the chroot
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<monteslu>
I'll give update a shot though
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<johnny>
like adding proprietary drivers
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<monteslu>
ahh, ok
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<johnny>
this is partly why lts.conf was moved from /etc/lts.conf in the chroot to being served from tftp
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<monteslu>
hmm... maybe there was a kernel update or something since i built it at first
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<johnny>
well.. it could just be a bug
11:30
does it appear after every reboot?
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<monteslu>
yeah, and the thin clients are hung up on "negotiation:"
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<johnny>
and this is a fresh chroot since?
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<monteslu>
but I"m also having intermittent problems with gdm launching, not sure if its cause or effect
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<johnny>
since whne?
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ther is no gdm
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only ldm
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<monteslu>
"Starting Gnome display manager" on the server
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<johnny>
oh
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<monteslu>
that hangs
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<johnny>
that's a totally seperate issue
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<monteslu>
it cleared up when i switched to framebuffer
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<johnny>
not ltsp related at all
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<monteslu>
but it started again
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<monteslu>
sure seems to be related, since i can't boot a thin client message if that's up
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if it's passed that service i can
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<johnny>
sounds like x could have issues on your server?
11:32
install updates?
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<monteslu>
upstart seems to have dependent things on that
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its fully updated
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<johnny>
maybe it's too updated :)
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lol
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<monteslu>
heh
11:33
shoulda stuck with 7.04
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8.04 has been a nightmare for me
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<johnny>
i only have a few problems
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with 8.04
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<monteslu>
I've probably had less than 50% uptime this year
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<johnny>
been fine for awhile now
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<monteslu>
lots of reasons, but this is the latest thing
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<johnny>
the packages for 7.04 were too old
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for me to continue using them
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i guess i'd rather fix bugs than use packages that nobody except the ubuntu developers can help solve
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since the upstream developers have already moved on at that time
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<monteslu>
really seems that there's not love for the project anymore. Things just worked when it was all in jammcq's hands
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<johnny>
that is incorrect
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<monteslu>
not its all over the place
11:36
<johnny>
there are more ltsp supported distros now than before
11:36
<monteslu>
right, but each has its own slew of problems
11:37
<johnny>
nobody else could or would touch ltsp4 code..
11:37
<monteslu>
k12 was one very active list
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<johnny>
including myself
11:37
i probably wouldn't be here at all, if it weren't for ltsp5
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<monteslu>
I'm a developer myself, so I know where you're coming from.. .but I'm also a volunteer for a school
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<monteslu>
Things just seems splintered, and it has gotten much worse this year since ltsp moved from edubunut to ubuntu
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<johnny>
huh?
11:39
ltsp never moved anywhere
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that was a policy thing
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not a code thing
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<monteslu>
its not an edubuntu project
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right
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<johnny>
edubuntu doesn't exist
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<monteslu>
so the list is dead
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<johnny>
it is now ubuntu: education edition
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which sounds alot better
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than edubuntu.. which would be stuck with gnome
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better to have one distro.. with the projects based on that
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<monteslu>
I just mean that the list was active a year ago, and it was easier to find help. Now i have to cross post to k12osn, edubuntu-users, and ltsp-discuss
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<johnny>
why does k12osn still exist?
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or edubuntu-users..
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it'd be nice of edubuntu-users or whatever it should be called now.. would just focus on techniques and programs
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but not support
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<monteslu>
that's edubuntu-devel
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so where should support be?
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<johnny>
should have a linux-education list or something
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where folks just talk about what programs to use to solve which problem
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and then have ltsp-support or whatever
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<monteslu>
agreed, but there isn't and that's why i think things are worse right now then they used to be when it was all k12ltsp and one big community
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<johnny>
for ltsp specific problems
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that's a solvable problem at least
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i rarely find myself trusting list posts anyways i guess
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on any list
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usually they are always too old to trust
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<johnny>
it's rare that i run into a problem that any list post helps me solve..
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i think more of a problem..
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is that posts don't flow to becoming full fledged documentation objects
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but that problem affects most open source projects
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hell.. any software problem
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project*
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<monteslu>
sure, but the nice thing about the old k12ltsp list was that the problems were common, and people were pretty helpful
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ltsp-discuss is more of what you're talking about. It could be anything, and it would almost never apply to something you're running into
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at least from a support perstpective
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<stgraber>
ogra: ping
11:48
ogra: saw my pm ?
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<b52lap>
hi
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<warren>
I'm tagging ltsp-trunk soon.
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