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Channel log from 15 March 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<tessier>
Hello all!
00:02
Does LTSP support FreeNX for remote terminals? I heard there was some work being done on that a couple years ago. Wondering if it ever went mainstream.
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<Selveste1>
Hey :) I have just maked a new image on a debian etch with NFS - And when I try to boot I get this error - http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntultspboot.png - More info http://pastebin.com/d48bc321e
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<Selveste1>
I have just maked a new image on a debian etch with NFS-server and LTSP - And when I try to boot I get this error - http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntultspboot.png - More info http://pastebin.com/d48bc321e
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<Selveste1>
Is there anybody on this channel, today :P it's very dead in here :)
08:21
<marius-->
this i nothing special >_<
08:21
<Selveste1>
lol :)
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<Selveste1>
I have just maked a new image on a debian etch with NFS-server and LTSP - And when I try to boot I get this error - http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntultspboot.png - More info http://pastebin.com/d48bc321e
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<Selveste1>
I have just maked a new image on a debian etch with NFS-server and LTSP - And when I try to boot I get this error - http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntultspboot.png - More info http://pastebin.com/d48bc321e
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<Selveste1>
I have just maked a new image on a debian etch with NFS-server and LTSP - And when I try to boot I get this error - http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntultspboot.png - More info http://pastebin.com/d48bc321e
14:15
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: i wasn't able to see the image ... but you should only have /opt/ltsp in exports, not /opt/ltsp/i386
14:15
<Selveste1>
Both are there... just wile I'm testing :)
14:15
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: where does your pxe configuration come from? it's not standard LTSP
14:15
Selveste1: yes, but having both there can *cause* problems.
14:16
Selveste1: could you paste the output of the following command:
14:16
!ver
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
14:16
<vagrantc>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:16
<Selveste1>
The PXE is an allready working PXE, with a lot of other Images (net install of Ubuntu and debian and stuff)
14:17
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: well, your working PXE config has options in it that will likely break LTSP.
14:17
Selveste1: etch doesn't support NBD, for example, and you've added options for NBD
14:17
<Selveste1>
Btw. I will ul the image in a sec :)
14:18
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: debian lenny was also released last month- LTSP is much better supported in lenny.
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<Selveste1>
http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntultspboot.png - I know that lenny is out, but I will wait for a wile to upgrade to lenny just to be safe
14:20
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: i can't see that .png
14:20* vagrantc wonders why it is named "ubuntultspboot" when it is debian...
14:21
<alkisg>
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/742/ubuntultspboot.png
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<Selveste1>
vagrantc - haha, the name is because I test boot in VMware, and the setup I use is caled ubuntu
14:23
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: can you paste the output of:
14:23
<Selveste1>
The PXE file LTSP makes is like this DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp
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<vagrantc>
!ver
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
14:23
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: to the pastebot?
14:23
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:24* Ryan52 thinks that that's a really weird way to awk it..
14:24
<Ryan52>
why would you want the version and package name on separate lines?
14:24
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: it's because the bot wouldn't learn the command i really wanted
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<ltsppbot>
"Selveste1" pasted "Debian LTSP" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/283
14:25* Ryan52 still thinks that this would be better: awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
14:25
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: that isn't the output from the command mentioned above.
14:27
Selveste1: could you just cut and paste the command and paste the output?
14:28
Ryan52: that does look better, thanks!
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<Selveste1_>
Sorry - ran out of power :S
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1_: that isn't the output from the command mentioned above.
14:29
Selveste1_: could you please cut and paste the command and paste the output?
14:29
<Selveste1_>
plz past it again then - thanx :)
14:30
<vagrantc>
i'll paste a better version
14:30
<Selveste1_>
thanx
14:31
<vagrantc>
COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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ltspbot: learn ver as COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
!ver
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is (#1) to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}', or (#2) COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print (1 more message)
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: learn ver as ti get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: forget ver #1
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: There is no such factoid.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: forget ver 1
14:32
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: forget ver 1
14:32
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
!ver
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is ti get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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<ltsppbot>
"Selveste1" pasted "Debian - LTSP" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/284
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1_: i've mostly been using the backports of ltsp with etch ... been a while since i've used the regular etch stuff.
14:35
<Selveste1_>
vagrantc - I will upgrade to backport LTSP then
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1_: most likely best to re-install the LTSP chroot...
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Selveste1_: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Etch-With-Backports
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<Selveste1_>
thanx
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thanx
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<Selveste1_>
BTW - Do I have to have ltsp-server-standalone installed to ?
14:42
cause this server is not the one handling DHCP and stuff
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<vagrantc>
no, you don't need it installed.
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Selveste1_: what's "and stuff" ?
14:47
<Selveste1_>
just DHCP ^^
14:51* vagrantc grumbles about gtk+2.0 not migrating to debian/testing holding up ldm and ltsp from migrating to testing
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<Selveste1>
vagrantc - same error after upgrade, and new build - http://myupload.dk/handleupload/f60abe58267d20efbb9b90acea104edd1237147673
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<ltsppbot>
"Selveste1" pasted "Debian - LTSP - after upgrade" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/285
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1: ah, there was a bug in etch's initramfs that made it so you can't specify the ip address with nfsroot
15:03
Selveste1: so you'll have to configure your DHCP server to pass the appropriate next-server option
15:04
<Selveste1>
Yes, and the next-server option is the one I use
15:04
I haven't specify any IP in the LTSP ore PXE config
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1: yes, but you passed nfsroot=ip.of.server:/opt/ltsp/i386 on the commandline
15:05
<Selveste1>
that's true :)
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<vagrantc>
i think that will trigger the bug.
15:05
Selveste1: can't you pass root-path via dhcp?
15:05
Selveste1: alternately, you could build a lenny ltsp chroot on an etch server.
15:06
Selveste1: you're running the tftp server on the LTSP server, right?
15:06
<Selveste1>
yes I am, but not the DHCP-server
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<vagrantc>
right. so the next-server argument should point to the LTSP server
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<Selveste1>
yes and it already dos - cause that is the same server as my PXE is on already
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1: could you paste your dhcpd.conf ?
15:09
Selveste1: and the actual contents of your pxelinux.cfg/default ?
15:09
<Selveste1>
yes - just a sec
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<ltsppbot>
"Selveste1" pasted "Debian - LTSP - after upgrade" (175 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/286
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<Selveste1>
COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
15:13
ups sorry
15:13
rung window :)
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1: you need in dhcpd.conf: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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Selveste1: and remove the nfsroot= option in pxelinux.cfg/default
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Selveste1: and drop the "rw" argument
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<Selveste1>
still same error as the image I pasted
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1: did you restart dhcp3-server ?
15:17
<Selveste1>
yep
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<vagrantc>
oh well
15:20
can't think of what else it could be. i've tested on *many* etch servers without this sort of trouble. so likely some missing configuration option somewhere.
15:20
Selveste1: run ltsp-update-kernels on the ltsp server
15:21* vagrantc can't help but feel like LTSP in lenny is already old, let alone etch
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: hehe, you also have that feeling ? :) must be even worse with Debian's release cycle.
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: what gets me through is keeping up decent backports
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<Selveste1>
vagrantc: so you mean that I have to upgrade to lenny then ?
15:25
<vagrantc>
Selveste1: i can't figure out your issue, and i only have so much time for non-standard setups on old releases
15:25
Selveste1: have you tried a more conventional install? i.e. an LTSP server with two nics, one for internet access and one for the thin clients?
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reducing the varaibles
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<Selveste1>
The LTSP server is on a local network, and only have to run fat and thin clients
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<vagrantc>
yes, but you could set up a test server, get familiar with how LTSP works, and port it over to your real setup
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<Selveste1>
thats right :) I will try that then :) I have a clean installed etch server anyway
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vagrantc: is this option right "option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";" is it not suppose to be "option root-path "/opt/ltsp";" ? like the chroot on the LTSP server ?
15:36
in the dhcp.conf
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<vagrantc>
Selveste1: the former
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as i pasted earlier
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<Selveste1>
okay
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: why the switch from ldm.png to jpgs ?
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: space on the CD
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vagrantc: I'll move back to png once I've it split into different binary packages (will be in 9.10)
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: heh. i promised to help you with that... never did anything on it :)
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stgraber: you in upstream version freeze yet?
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<stgraber>
yes, will be in beta freeze on thursday
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<furiousdraz1>
hi
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just a question, do you know why i have to wait between 7-8 min between the choose of PXE boot and the prompt for login/password on my lightweight client?
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<vagrantc>
!release
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<furiousdraz1>
I used Linux Debian lenny with ltsp-server-standalone V 5.1.10-2 and ltsp-server V5.1.10-2
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<vagrantc>
furiousdraz1: what's the specs on your client? other machines boot ok?
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<furiousdraz1>
vagrantc: Hardware?
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<vagrantc>
furiousdraz1: yes.
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cpu speed, memory, brand/model
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<furiousdraz1>
vagrantc: boot : PXE, 2Go RAM, Centrino Vpro 2 Nvidia quadro
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<vagrantc>
furiousdraz1: that's your "lightweight client" ?
16:52
<furiousdraz1>
with direct connect 1Gb to the server
16:52
yes
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<vagrantc>
gigabit networking?
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<furiousdraz1>
it's juste a test with my personnal computer (a new HP)
16:52
vagrantc: yes
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it's why i think that the "lightweight client" is not the problem
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<vagrantc>
no idea what would make it so slow ... i use a 2.4GHz server, with 400MHz-1Ghz clients and they boot in just a few minutes
16:54
without gigabit
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<furiousdraz1>
vagrantc: why 7 min to boot my lightweight client !!?
16:56
maybe LTSP configuration file?
16:57
is there any options or filte to configure to custom my boot in /opt/ltsp/i386
16:57
??
16:57
<vagrantc>
not really
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<furiousdraz1>
ohhh
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<vagrantc>
i mean, you can customize the files in /opt/ltsp/i386, but nothing i can think of that would affect your slow boot.
16:58
furiousdraz1: i guess you could install bootchart, and see where it's hanging ...
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<furiousdraz1>
i hear about : /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ...
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<vagrantc>
furiousdraz1: yeah, but there's no LTSP_IS_SLOW=True option :P
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furiousdraz1: is there anywhere it hangs on boot?
17:00
furiousdraz1: any messages on the screen that sit there a long time?
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<furiousdraz1>
i have to install bootchart on my chroot environnemnt?
17:02
at the boot (like dmesg) it stoped à 2" an 220" on mouse and keyboard but i don't remeber the message
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<vagrantc>
or you could just watch the boot process and see what messages seem to stall
17:02
well, boot it and get the message
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<furiousdraz1>
ok, just wait 8 min ;)
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<vagrantc>
or indstall bootchart: LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install bootchart
17:04
i don't remember what all you need to configure with bootchart
17:04
so if you can just look at the boot messages and figure out which places it stalls, that would be easiest.
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furiousdraz1: besides, it will probably not take 8 minutes to find the place(s) where it is stalling
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<furiousdraz1>
[ 2.9...] usb 2-1: Product: Fingerprint Sensor
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LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false what can i do with this var?
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vagrantc: this is the first stop : [ 2.9...] usb 2-1: Product: Fingerprint Sensor
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this is the 2d stop : [ 205....] input: PS/2 Generic Mouse as /class/input/input4
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<vagrantc>
the command to install bootchart in the ltsp chroot is: "LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install bootchart"
17:12
furiousdraz1: LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false prevents daemons from starting on your server inside the ltsp chroot.
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<furiousdraz1>
ok
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<furiousdraz1>
vagrantc: It's ok for the install of bootchart
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vagrantc: no, i'm not abble to install this software!
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<vagrantc>
furiousdraz1: what's before the [ 205....] input: PS/2 Generic Mouse as /class/input/input4
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<furiousdraz1>
Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
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gij-4.3
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E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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<vagrantc>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<vagrantc>
furiousdraz1: pleaes ues the pastebot rather than flooding the channel
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<furiousdraz1>
vagrantc: here you can read the return of dmesg : http://paste.debian.net/30654/
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<vagrantc>
gah.
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looks like dmesg from the server, which is pretty much useless
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<dipeshmehta>
hello all, at my PXE client, I am able to LDM login screen, when I issue username/passwd, it gets authenticated (I checked the auth.log) but then the login screen re-appears... there is error message like "unable to start X session --- no "/home/user1/.xsession"" in user's home folder, can any body shed some light please?
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