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Channel log from 17 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<chupa>
lol
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<root>
hay
03:31
am using via rhino 2 nic card on thin client
03:31
ltsp4.2u2 wont pick that card
03:31
basically ip
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it hangs on that
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any idea?
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03:57
<root>
helo
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<root>
any one there
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05:08
<envite>
¡Hola a todos desde España!
05:09
Hello all from Spain!
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05:28
<root>
hi all
05:29
am using novel linux desktop with sp3
05:29
i have install ltsp4.2 u2
05:29
my hp thin clint with via card wont pick the ip from dhcp
05:29
its stucks
05:29
any idea
05:32
with kerenl 2.4.26-ltsp-3 it picks ip and boot lernel but hangs then asking enter runlevel
05:33
with kernel 2.6.17.3-ltsp-1 it wont pick ip
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05:41
<f3ew>
Life?
05:45
<root>
helo
05:45
any idea?
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06:01
<envite>
root: if one kernel boots and the other does not boot...
06:01
are you sure that both of them are being correctly passed to the client?
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06:02
<envite>
use a sniffer to check the packages
06:02
s/packages/packets
06:02
<f3ew>
Can I send audio out to end nodes from a central Asterisk box?
06:02
We are looking at migrating to thin clients, and have USB based hpones
06:03
phones
06:03
trying to see if a Linux based solution will work out
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<envite>
f3ew: to send audio, sure
06:09
I think the problem is more in the other way
06:09
to receive audio from the clients
06:10
Hmmm
06:10
Maybe Pulseaudio, I've not tried it yet
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06:20
<root>
pyes
06:20
yes
06:21
envite
06:21
i ahve install ltsp4.2
06:21
its works fne on lts4.2
06:21
now i need usb and local device support
06:21
any idea
06:21
am downlaoding fuse
06:21
<f3ew>
envite, phones :P
06:22
<envite>
ltsp4.2 works great with usb local devices
06:22
and yes, you need fuse to do it
06:22
<root>
ok
06:22
<f3ew>
Hmmm
06:23
<envite>
f3ew: I know. but a usb phone plugged in the client is not more than a speaker and a microphone
06:23
thus you need to send audio in two ways
06:23
<root>
hay
06:23
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
06:23
see this link
06:23
<envite>
root: I know it
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06:24
<root>
it says for suee 9.2 and opensuse i have to install ltsp-server-pkg-fedora-0.1-1.i386.rpm
06:24
<f3ew>
envite, I know
06:24
<envite>
root: first of all, try to get fuse from your own distro
06:24
<root>
is this necessary
06:24
ok
06:24
am going to download source of fuse
06:29
<envite>
wait
06:29
first, try to see if there is precompiled fuse from your suse
06:30
<root>
well
06:30
i have novell linux dsktop
06:30
i have tried to search fuse through yast
06:30
i wont see
06:31
should i go for fuse source
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?
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06:33
<federicoco>
hello all!!!!
06:33
another day, another problem :-)
06:34
<root>
envite?
06:35
<federicoco>
this is configuration: ltsp-4.2, kernel 2.6.16.1 / 2.6.17.3 / 2.6.17.8
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<federicoco>
nic is RTL8139 but when boot ,
06:36
this error is introduced.... dhcpcd failed
06:36
any idea???
06:37
i try 3 kernel but not! :-(
06:38
<root>
envite
06:39
am getting this error when compiling fuse
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configure: error:
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*** Cannot determine the version of the linux kernel source. Please
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*** prepare the kernel before running this script
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configure: error: ./configure failed for kernel
06:43
i ahve kernel 2.6.5-7.244-smp
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any idea
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07:01
<Gadi>
root: wow- old kernel. why not just upgrade to a newer kernel? fuse has been in the kernel since 2.6.11 or 2.6.14 something like that
07:02
if you need to compile against your current kernel, you'll need the kernel *source* (which you can get from the distro's repository)
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<root>
envite
07:05
i ahve installed fuse
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but seems nothing happens
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?
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07:16
<root>
guys
07:16
i ahve installed fuse on novel linux on ltsp 4.2
07:16
on thin client shell i am seeing kingston usb is detected on sda1
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but i cant see on GUI
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should i install install X11::Protocol
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through cpan
07:18
<Gadi>
root: have you gone through each of these steps: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
07:20
<root>
but am using novel linux desktop
07:20
i agve to follw open suse and suse9.2 thinsg
07:20
right
07:21
gadi one more thing
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i agve installed fuse
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i add fuse group manually
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is that right
07:21
<Gadi>
take a look at Step 11 in the link above
07:22
it talks about things that might happen when you install fuse yourself
07:22
doesnt matter that you are using novell
07:22
that link should still help troubleshoot
07:23
i have to go for a bit, but I recommend you go through that troubleshooting step by step
07:23
bbiab
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<Guaraldo>
serv identify uBuzasl
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<f3ew>
oops
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<Guaraldo>
Oh... well...
07:35
<federicoco>
hi gadi!!
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<mhterres>
morning
07:39
<federicoco>
this is configuration: ltsp-4.2, kernel 2.6.16.1 / 2.6.17.3 / 2.6.17.8
07:39
nic is RTL8139 but when boot ,this error is introduced.... dhcpcd failed
07:39
any idea?
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07:50
<happywithed>
Hello there.
07:50
<moquist>
happywithed: Hi.
07:50
<happywithed>
I recently installed an Edubuntu classroom and would like some help with some configuration issues
07:50
Here is a diagram of the setup http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21271/
07:51* moquist prepares a batch of Instant Respect(TM)
07:52
<happywithed>
The problem, as you can see, is that I have two different subnets. One serving my LTSP clients and one serving my *other* machines
07:52
<highvoltage>
moquist: ooh
07:52
<moquist>
happywithed: can you do DHCP on the Edubuntu system instead of the router?
07:53
<happywithed>
Moquist. That's exactly what I would like to do
07:53
<moquist>
Instant Respect was an inter-channel joke...
07:53
<happywithed>
I just don' t know how
07:53
OK, LOL
07:54
<moquist>
happywithed: connect the switch above the Mac to the switch under the Edubuntu server...? that's one way that would get the job done.
07:54
Oh, right. You need the routing.
07:55
happywithed: 1) stop DHCP on the router. 2) connect the DHCP interface of the Edubuntu server to the switch above the Mac.
07:55
happywithed: 3) connect the TCs to the same switch, or connect their switch to the Mac switch.
07:55
<happywithed>
Do you mean to physically connect an ethernet wire between the two switches in the diagram?
07:55
<moquist>
happywithed: 3) connect the TCs to the Mac switch, or connect their switch to the Mac switch.
07:55
happywithed: Sure, that's the second formulation of #3. :)
07:56
happywithed: You'll additionally have to make sure that the dhcpd configuration on the Edubuntu server has the correct router, DNS servers, and (perhapse) netbios-name-server info.
07:56
<happywithed>
I think I tried that already and it didn't work, thus the current config
07:57
<moquist>
Oh.
07:57
What I've described is exactly how I recommend that people do it, when possible.
07:57
<happywithed>
The problem is that the Edubuntu only does dhcp to thin clients for security reasons.
07:57
<moquist>
That's what we do in each of our 10-or-so schools.
07:58
happywithed: I don't follow you there. You can do DHCP anywhere you want, except that you need to be able to tell TCs where to get their kernels and root filesystems.
07:58
<happywithed>
Ok, let me see if I understand. 1) I stop the dhcp router (the Lynsys, right?)
07:59
<moquist>
happywithed: It's generally the most convenient just to leave DHCP on the Edubuntu server.
07:59
1) yep, stop DHCP on the Linksys(sp?).
07:59
<f3ew>
Linksys
07:59
<happywithed>
2) I connect the internet raw wire to the edubuntu server directly
07:59
<moquist>
f3ew: yeah, but I wasn't sure that's what happywithed has. :)
08:00
2) Nope, connect the Edubuntu server to the Linksys, which (I trust) is serving as a firewall for your network.
08:00
2) Nope, connect the Edubuntu server to the Linksys, which (I trust) is serving as a router&firewall for your network.
08:00
<happywithed>
OK, so on one I don't physically disconnect the Lynksys router, but I just dissable DHCP, right?
08:00
<moquist>
happywithed: Right.
08:01
<happywithed>
Yes, the lynksys is servering as router/firewall
08:02
Now, on 3) I connect all the machines including the TCs, printers, Macs and, dare I say, Windows machines to the same switch?
08:02
<moquist>
happywithed: for example, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21273/
08:02
happywithed: yep.
08:02
happywithed: Wait, scratch that.
08:02* moquist fixes the paste
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<happywithed>
OK, just as a test. I am going to connect a WinXP Laptop to the switch serving the TCs
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<moquist>
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21274/
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<moquist>
happywithed: OK. That should work fine as long as you have "option routers 192.168.0.1;" in your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file.
08:05
<happywithed>
Let me see
08:06
<moquist>
happywithed: and (probably) "option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;"
08:07
happywithed: If you wish you can run 'apt-get install bind9' on the edubuntu server and put "option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.254;" in your dhcpd.conf instead.
08:07
happywithed: If you have a netmask of 255.255.255.0, then the above IP addresses won't work, BTW.
08:08
happywithed: I recommend changing the IP address of the edubuntu server to 192.168.0.254, and make sure dhcpd.conf is handing out address is the 192.168.0.* range instead.
08:08* moquist munges the paste again
08:08
<joebaker>
You can reference a dns server outside your subnet so long as the "option routers" is correct.
08:09
<happywithed>
Ok,here is what I have on /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21276/
08:10
My "option routers" points to 192.168.1.1 instead
08:11
In my setup eth0 is on 192.168.1.1 and is the interface to the TC
08:11
eth1 is on 192.168.0.1 and is the interface to the router
08:14
BTW, here is my /etc/network/interfaces file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21277/
08:14
<joebaker>
happywithed: Option routers should point to the LTSP server itself at 192.168.1.254 shouldn't it? Your drawing shows the Edubuntu server's IP address as 192.168.1.254
08:15
<happywithed>
Yes, the edubuntu server is at that IP address
08:15
<joebaker>
Is the edubuntu server also the gateway?
08:16
<moquist>
happywithed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21278/
08:16
<happywithed>
Yes, but just for the TCs
08:16
<moquist>
joebaker: But he doesn't actually want the edubuntu server to be a rounter, if I understand him correctly.
08:16
<joebaker>
...the gateway for the thin clients... ok. the dhcp server you're setting up is just for the thin client subnet?
08:17
<moquist>
happywithed: Do you *want* the edubuntu server to be a router/gateway? I thought you didn't.
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<happywithed>
Actually yes, but I would like to have them on the same subnet.
08:17
<joebaker>
thanks moquist. I joined the conversation half way in. I was impressed by happywithed's diagrams so I thought I'd jump in.
08:18
<happywithed>
I would prefer to keep the current router as a router, firewall and gateway
08:18
<cliebow_>
anyone else using winblows dhcp to pass pxe options?>
08:18
<moquist>
joebaker: Ha! happywithed was told in #edubuntu that he would get "instant respect" by flashing those diagrams in here. :)
08:18
<joebaker>
:)
08:18
<moquist>
cliebow_: Not lately.
08:18
<happywithed>
LOL
08:18
<cliebow_>
moquist:pingoo
08:18
<moquist>
cliebow_: pongo! purdy!
08:18
<cliebow_>
any p[lace where unh courses discussed?
08:19* moquist remembers the "barking chain"
08:19
<moquist>
cliebow_: Not yet, but I'll be working like a mad hatter on that today.
08:19
<cliebow_>
cool..got some interest here..
08:20
<happywithed>
OK, once I change my setup, what do I need to do to stop, start, reboot, rehash, replenish, respect, my services? ;-)
08:20
<cliebow_>
bad or missing discoveryserver mean ought to you?
08:20
<joebaker>
/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop
08:20
<cliebow_>
i have next-server(option 66
08:20
<joebaker>
/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
08:21
<moquist>
happywithed: I think you want a dhcpd.conf like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21279/
08:21
<cliebow_>
and 67 just like the last pxe machine
08:21
<moquist>
happywithed: That's assuming that your router (192.168.0.1) is providing DNS service.
08:21
happywithed: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
08:21
happywithed: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
08:21
<happywithed>
yes, it is providing DNS as well
08:22
<moquist>
cliebow_: Er, um, nope. Sorry.
08:22
<joebaker>
Do you actually have a machine/router at 192.168.1.1 ?
08:22
<moquist>
joebaker: I don't think he does, but that didn't matter before 'cuz TCs didn't need the router.
08:22
<joebaker>
probably true....
08:23
<happywithed>
moquist: so the option routers should be left as 192.168.0.1, right?
08:23
<joebaker>
But if you put a laptop into that subnet... and wanted internet access....
08:23
<moquist>
happywithed: Yes. that should point to your actual router.
08:23
joebaker: exactly. that's what we're fixing. :)
08:24
<happywithed>
joebaker: 192.168.1.1 is the interface (eth0) on the edubuntu server serving the TCs
08:24
<joebaker>
Does Edubuntu enable IP packet forwarding by default as a gateway/router? I use Ubuntu with LTSP-server-standalone added.
08:25
I'll get you the magic IPTables command for enabling packet forwarding... one second.
08:25
<moquist>
happywithed: But you're changing eth0 to be 192.168.0.254, right?
08:25
joebaker: No, it doesn't automagically do masquerading. But happywithed doesn't want it to, anyway.
08:26
happywithed: Quite honestly, this would be simpler if you just removed eth1 from your edubuntu server. :)
08:26
<cliebow_>
joebaker..push that on to me as well
08:26
<moquist>
happywithed: Then we wouldn't be confused about its role (which should be "to sit idle").
08:26
<happywithed>
I see
08:27
that's interesting, because the edubuntu manual suggests a server with two nics
08:27
<meduxa>
hi, we are going to do some benchmark in college classroom where we are going to use XEN + LTSP on the server and some thin clients (e2300 among them),some recicled computers and some new PC's
08:27
<moquist>
happywithed: Yeah, that's for a different setup than what you're aiming for.
08:27
<happywithed>
right
08:27
<meduxa>
what tools do you thinks are interesting to benchmark the client
08:28
we are using ltsp 4.2
08:28
<happywithed>
I have no problem removing eth1 if that would solve the problem
08:28
<moquist>
happywithed: They're recommending something that's really easy to drop into a much larger network where the Edubuntu admin has much less control than you seem to have over your network.
08:29
happywithed: It won't actually solve any problems, it would just simplify our discussion. So now that we've discussed it, that's probably sufficient. :)
08:30
<root>
hay gadi
08:30
i have followed the steps
08:30
i am seeing drives folder but no data in it
08:30
any idea
08:30
<joebaker>
happywithed, moquist.... edit this file -> /etc/sysctl.conf remove the comment symbol "#" from this line... net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 then reboot
08:31
<moquist>
happywithed: I think you want an /etc/networking/interfaces file like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21280/
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<moquist>
joebaker: but happywithed doesn't *want* that.
08:33
happywithed: the interfaces file I posted just swaps 'eth0' for 'eth1' and vice-versa, and then comments out the (new) 'auto eth1' line, so eth1 won't come up by default.
08:34
<cliebow_>
gd windows
08:34
<happywithed>
ok let me recap: 0) stop dhcp on the router 192.168.0.1 0.1) Change my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21279/ 1) stop DHCP on the router 2) connect the DHCP interface of the Edubuntu server to the switch above the Mac. 3) connect the TCs to the same switch, or connect their switch to the Mac switch.
08:35
Then /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop and /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
08:35
<cliebow_>
root:you arent really root are you?
08:35
<joebaker>
happywithed: You don't currently run DHCP on your network do you?
08:35
<moquist>
happywithed: Sure. The point is that you only have one Edubuntu network interface in use, and it's on the same subnet as all your other machines and the connection from your router. You run DHCP on the Edubuntu server instead of the router.
08:35
<cliebow_>
gd windows
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<root>
hay am getting this error whn i run mountfs command
08:36
<moquist>
joebaker: his router (192.168.0.1) currently runs DHCP.
08:36
<joebaker>
Two dhcp servers on the same "collision domain" is a very bad idea unless you're an expert and have a great deal of control over the clients.
08:36
<root>
ltspfs: error while loading shared libraries: libfuse.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
08:36
<happywithed>
right? Did I miss anything? Yes, I did, use either of the setups in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21278/
08:36
<moquist>
happywithed: Those are both the same.
08:37
<_EXP>
how i can remove a program from menu in gnome, so that it removes it from all users?
08:37
<moquist>
_EXP: rm /usr/share/applications/program.desktop
08:37
<happywithed>
I think I only want one DHCP server that will be running on the Edubuntu server as mosquist suggested
08:37
<moquist>
_EXP: Of course, any smart user can still execute the program from a shell, or simply create a new launcher.
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<happywithed>
I am dissabling the DHCP server on the router
08:38
<joebaker>
Tell me about the 192.168.0.1 machine . Is it a Linux box? Can you put your dhcpd.conf file into it?
08:38
<happywithed>
I am dissabling the DHCP as in step 0 in my recapt above
08:38
<joebaker>
happywithed: never mind, that's a good plan so long as you only have one DHCP server runnign.
08:39
<happywithed>
The 192.168.0.1 is a Broadband router with firewall. I am dissabling DHCP as in step 0 in my recap
08:39
<joebaker>
joebaker@nelfc.com __ I'll be away for a while...
08:39
<happywithed>
Thanks joebaker
08:39
<_EXP>
08:40
<happywithed>
mosquist: I'll be trying this out, so I will disconnect for a while. Any other suggestions before I move foward?
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<moquist>
happywithed: nope. good luck!
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<root>
envite
08:49
u there
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<happywithed>
mosquist: one more thing, I almost forgot
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<joebaker>
http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/ happywithed: Here's a page which discusses making a linux box pass traffic between two seperate "networks" or "collision domains" where each network card is dedicated to it's own subnet.
08:50
<happywithed>
what do I do with my my /etc/network/interfaces file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21277/
08:51
joebaker: thanks for the link
08:52
<joebaker>
happywithed: if you get rid of the second network interface, you need to change the subnet for everything to 192.168.0
08:52
<happywithed>
OK
08:53
So, I'll comment out the eth1 block and change everything on eth0 to 192.168.0.* right?
08:53
<joebaker>
Some people run multiple subnets on a single ethernet interface, but that's advanced stuff. It can be done, but I wouldn't recommend it.
08:53
<root>
guys
08:53
i need ur little help
08:54
<happywithed>
In that case I'll log off and try all of this stuff out.
08:54
<root>
on shell it seems my usb is picking
08:54
but in GUI home dir
08:54
<joebaker>
Right. You might also need to make a note of the MAC addresses of the cards. A file called /etc/iftab also might reference those cards.
08:54
<root>
am seeing Drives folder
08:54
its empty?
08:54
<happywithed>
thanks again. I'll take note
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<happywithed>
bye for now, but I'll be back
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<joebaker>
happywithed: make sure your dhcpd.conf file also is adjusted to only give out information pertaining to 192.168.0.x. Also you need to be careful not to give out IP addresses to statically assigned machines on your network.
08:56
I hope his machine works after he reboots :)
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09:00
<Gadi>
root: lsmod|grep fuse
09:00
root: sounds like you may not have installed fuse properly or may not be loading the module
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09:01
<cliebow_>
any one read the yahoo story on samba bugs..priviledge elevation?
09:04
<vmlintu>
Has anyone else noticed a problem with ltspfsd in ltsp-4.2 that leaves device mounts active on the thin client's filesystem even if the usb device has been removed?
09:05
<root>
hai vmlintu
09:05
with 4.2 i am unable to see my usb
09:05
what u do to mount that usb
09:05
<Gadi>
(09:59:04 AM) Gadi: root: lsmod|grep fuse
09:05
(09:59:35 AM) Gadi: root: sounds like you may not have installed fuse properly or may not be loading the module
09:07
<vmlintu>
That happens for me for example when removing a usb memory stick just before lbussd on the server has added the icon on the user's desktop.
09:08
<root>
lsmod |grep fuse
09:08
fuse 58008 0
09:08
<vmlintu>
The problem seems to be that ltspfsd doesn't call am_umount when the connection breaks while the device is mounted and I got it working better by adding an extra am_umount in ltspfsd, but I'm not sure if that's the right way to fix it.
09:09
<root>
i have download the fuse source and compile it n that it
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09:09
<Gadi>
root: do you still get that shared library error?
09:10
<sadmin>
hi
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09:10
<root>
well when i run ltspfs on command
09:10
it give sahred lib error
09:10
<Gadi>
do this:
09:11
which ltspfs
09:11
<root>
it says /usr/sbin/ltspfs
09:11
<Gadi>
then: ldd /usr/sbin/ltspfs
09:12
<root>
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
09:12
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x55584000)
09:12
ibfuse.so.2 => not found
09:12
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x555d7000)
09:12
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x55555000)
09:13
<Gadi>
ibfuse.so.2 => not found
09:13
that is your problem
09:13
<root>
so what i do
09:13
<Gadi>
where is libfuse.so.2 installed?
09:13
is it in /usr/lib or /lib?
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09:13
<ogra>
!s
09:13
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:13
<sbalneav>
Morning all!
09:14
<Gadi>
whichever it is, you need to make sure that directory is in /etc/ld.so.conf
09:14
<root>
its in /usr/lib
09:14
<sbalneav>
Morning ogra, Gadi
09:15
<root>
what i do for this
09:15
in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/
09:15
of ld.so.conf
09:16
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: Hi, would you be able to help me with a potential bug in ltspfsd?
09:16* ogra is at a point where his classmate boots ltsp5 only 20sec slower than 4.2 ...
09:16
<sbalneav>
Sure, what's the problem?
09:16
<root>
gai i wont have /etc/ld.so.conf dir
09:16
<Gadi>
root: /etc/ld.so.conf or /etc/ld.so.conf.d/<file> should have "/usr/lib" as an entry
09:16
<sbalneav>
ogra: Cool news!
09:17
<ogra>
well, not sure if its safe to do what i did
09:17
<Gadi>
root: then, ldconfig
09:17
morning, sbalneav
09:17
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: It leaves mounted usb sticks on the thin client if I remove the stick at wrong time
09:17
sbalneav: That happens for me for example when removing a usb memory stick just before lbussd on the server has added the icon on the user's desktop.
09:17
<root>
i /etc/ld.so.conf file i have an entry /usr/lib
09:18
<ogra>
sbalneav, i decided to not wait on the second udev run to finish ... that could break badly but gains us around 30sec
09:18
<sbalneav>
vmlintu: This is on 4.2?
09:18
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: yes
09:18
sbalneav: The problem seems to be that ltspfsd doesn't call am_umount when the connection breaks while the device is mounted and I got it working better by adding an extra am_umount call in ltspfsd.c, but I'm not sure if that's the right way to fix it.
09:19
<Gadi>
root: run "ldconfig" as root and run that "ldd" command again
09:19
<root>
i did still link -s /usr/local/lib/libfuse.so.2
09:19
i run that but still fuse is not found
09:19
<Gadi>
ah
09:19
<ogra>
sbalneav, the "Loading hardware drivers ..." step is supposed to wait until udev has settled i let it run in the background and just move on with the boot ... it seems not to break but i wonder what happens with faster clients, there will be races
09:19
<Gadi>
add /usr/local/lib to ld.so.conf
09:20
then run "ldconfig" as root
09:20
it should show up in ldd then
09:20
<root>
i did
09:20
still no use
09:20
hay see the link u send me
09:20
its says after compliing the fuse from source
09:20
go to /usr/lib
09:20
duir
09:20
<sbalneav>
vmlintu: If the connection's broken, that instance of the ltspfsd will die. So, probably, I should call the umount as standard procedure before I exit.
09:20
<root>
and run this link -s /usr/local/lib/libfuse.so.2
09:21
i did ln -s /usr/local/lib/libfuse.so.2 instead of link -s
09:21
<sbalneav>
ogra: Wonder why udev takes so long on that box. 30 seconds seems a LONG time for udev.
09:21
Normally udev's quite fast.
09:22
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: Sorry, I meant to write that if the read from the device fails, it doesn't call am_umount
09:22
<ogra>
udevt5rigger triggers every device on the system once
09:22
udevtrigger
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: Well, if the READ fails, that doesn't necessarily mean that you need to do a umount.
09:23
<root>
gadi
09:23
still ldd not works
09:23
libfuse is missing
09:24
should i rebot my machine
09:24
<Gadi>
root: recompile fuse with "./configure --prefix=/usr"
09:24
<root>
what this does
09:24
<Gadi>
(do a make distclean first)
09:24
<root>
for knowledge
09:24
<Gadi>
it will install to /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2
09:25
instead of /usr/local/lib
09:25
<root>
i compile fuse-2.5.3
09:25
is this ok
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09:25
<Gadi>
should be
09:25
<sbalneav>
Gadi: What distro is root running?
09:25
<Gadi>
novell
09:25
<sbalneav>
And they don't have a fuse package? Yikes!
09:26
<root>
novel linux desktop
09:26
<Gadi>
he's on an old kernel
09:26
<sbalneav>
Which version?
09:26
<Gadi>
2.6.5
09:26
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: Could ltspfsd somehow figure out that the device was removed and it failed for that reason?
09:26
<sbalneav>
Fuse doesn't work reliably with anything 2.6.9
09:27
<root>
gadi i recompile it and run ldd /usr/sbin/ltspfs
09:27
it still says libfuse not found
09:27
<ogra>
yeah .5 is ancient and surely not very secure
09:27
<sbalneav>
vmlintu: no, that's not ltspfsd's job. ltspfsd is just reading and writing to files on a filesystem, it doesn't have any concept of devices. That should be udev's job.
09:27
sorry, anything before 2.6.9
09:27
<Gadi>
root: can you simply install a newer kernel?
09:28
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: What happens now is the the users don't wait long enough for ltspfsd to call umount after initial mount as they think that the usb stick works because it takes a few seconds for the icon to appear on the desktop
09:28
sbalneav: So I should go to udev to call umount on the mount point that ltspfsd left behind?
09:29
<root>
gadi what u mean
09:29
simple install new kernel on ?
09:29
<Gadi>
root: upgrade the kernel on the server
09:29
to 2.6.14 or greater
09:30
<sbalneav>
There shouldn't need to be a umount
09:30
vmlintu: if you take a look in the remove_fstab_entry, there's a umount in there.
09:31
I'm confused. Are you getting a hung mount on the CLIENT, or a hung ltspfs mount on the SERVER?
09:31
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: on the client
09:31
<sbalneav>
So, people are pulling the stick, and if you're on a text console on the client, the mount is still there?
09:32
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: The problem is quite time critical and it happens only when you remove the device after ltspfsd has done initial mount on it and before it has called am_umount for the first time after lbussd has created the icon
09:32
sbalneav: yes
09:32
<sbalneav>
That shouldn't be happening, as the remove_fstab_entry does a umount -l
09:33
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: where should the remove_fstab_entry be?
09:33
<sbalneav>
On 4.2, I can't remember. /usr/lib/udev, or /lib/udev
09:34
cd /opt/ltsp/i386 ; find . -name "remove_fstab_entry" will find it for sure :)
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: nothing
09:35
<sbalneav>
Well, that would be a problem, then, wouldn't it :)
09:35
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: which package should contain the file?
09:35
<sbalneav>
In 4.2?
09:36
Hmm
09:36
<vmlintu>
yes
09:36
<sbalneav>
Can't remember.
09:36
probably the ltspfs one.
09:36
<vmlintu>
I have the whole lbe-tree here and there's no file with that name
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<sbalneav>
Take a look in the udev rules
09:37
maybe I'm mis-remembering things.
09:38
We're not working on 4.2 anymore, so I might be confused.
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09:38
<root>
hay gadi
09:38
new thing
09:38
i just reboot my machine aftre recmpiling fuse
09:38
now whn i plug the usd DSIK 50 GB
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09:38
<jammcq>
g'morning
09:38
<root>
it makes and icon in desktop and in home/Drives folder
09:39
<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq!
09:39
<jammcq>
!s
09:39
<root>
named removeable disk_MB
09:39
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:39
<root>
any idea
09:39
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: moving this setup to ltsp5 has to wait still some time, so I think I need to figure this out somehow
09:39
<root>
seems closer to work
09:39
plz help
09:39
<Gadi>
root: is it still empty?
09:39
<root>
yes
09:40
<sbalneav>
vmlintu: Have a look in the $LTSP/etc/udev/rules.d folder
09:40
<root>
empty
09:40
<sbalneav>
look for the ltsp ruleset.
09:40
<root>
is 50 GB disk does size mater
09:40
<sbalneav>
root: You'll want to follow the checklist for getting localdevs going.
09:40
!checklist
09:40
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
09:41
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: I can see it calling /etc/udev/scripts/ltsp-device.sh
09:41
<sbalneav>
ah, ok
09:41
have a look in there then.
09:41
look in the remove section
09:42
if there isn't a umount -l, you can add one.
09:42
<Gadi>
root: how is the drive partitioned?
09:42
<sbalneav>
that should fix the problem
09:42
<Gadi>
if it is ntfs, it may not show up
09:42
<sbalneav>
that way, udev will umount the device when it yanks it.
09:42
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: there's no umount -l there
09:42
<sbalneav>
ok
09:43
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: at which point it should be called?
09:43
<sbalneav>
dunno
09:43
don't have the script in front of me :)
09:43
<joebaker>
mosquist: Happywithed never came back after rebooting....
09:43
<sbalneav>
I'd have to look at it. Paste it to the pastebot, and I'll take a look.
09:43
!pastebot.
09:43
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "pastebot." is not a valid command.
09:44
<sbalneav>
!pastebot
09:44
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"vmlintu" pasted "ltsp-device.sh" (213 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/138
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: ok
09:46
Down at the bottom, where you get the ACTION = remove?
09:46
After MOUNTPOINT=`basename .....`
09:46
You can add a:
09:47
umount -l ${MOUNTPOINT}
09:47
<vmlintu>
that makes sense :)
09:47
<sbalneav>
That'll do a lazy umount
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09:47
<sbalneav>
Or, tell you users to not be so darned impatient :)
09:48
Whichever's easiest.
09:48
:)
09:48
<Blinny>
jammcq: ping
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09:48
<sbalneav>
the umount got added as part of ltsp5
09:48
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: I stared the file for some time, but didn't yet understand all of it
09:48
<jammcq>
Blinny: hey
09:48
<sbalneav>
heh, it's a pretty fined tuned piece of shell programming.
09:49
we go to some pretty fancy lengths to not call external programs.
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09:49
<sbalneav>
wb ogra
09:49
<vmlintu>
sbalneav: I'll test the change to see if that solves the problem. Thanks for help!
09:49
<sbalneav>
NP
09:50
<ogra>
hmm ... why doesnt xchat have a fullscreen mode :/
09:50
<sbalneav>
Cuz no-ones programmed it yet? :)
09:50
<Blinny>
jammcq: I just added to a i810 bug at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 and I think you were the assignee/recipient. Is that address the correct place to be reporting this kind of stuff, or do I need to get directly to i810 team, or are you on that team or ...?
09:51
You may have read my account on K12OSN
09:51
<jammcq>
Blinny: yeah, I just saw the bug. How much memory do you have in that workstation?
09:52
<Blinny>
jammcq: 256MB
09:52
jammcq: We've rapped about this once before I think. Setting X_VIDEORAM doesn't seem to help, though I understand that it _should_
09:53
<sbalneav>
ogra: where's the latest copy of your c greeter?
09:53
<Blinny>
The problem inherently lies in the BIOS reporting video ram, right?
09:53
<moquist>
ogra: I'm looking for your C greeter, too.
09:53
<root>
hai gadi
09:53
<ogra>
sbalneav, there is a bzr branch ...
09:53
<root>
ltspfs on step 11
09:53
<sbalneav>
where?
09:53
<root>
wont work
09:53
give share lib error
09:54
what to do
09:54
<sbalneav>
root: what kind of server do yoy have? 64 bit?
09:54
<root>
yes
09:54
<moquist>
joebaker: hopefully happywithed didn't' come back because he's all set... :)
09:54
<sbalneav>
s/yoy/you/
09:54* moquist hopes
09:54
<Gadi>
root: get rid of any symlinks you made with the libraries
09:54
and do "make install" in the fuse again
09:54
<sbalneav>
root: that's your problem, the ltspfs binaries are 32 bit.
09:55
<Gadi>
ah
09:55
<ogra>
sbalneav, i cant start a browser currently ... look on my branches oaqge in LP
09:55
page
09:55
<sbalneav>
ok
09:55
thanks ogra
09:55
<moquist>
ogra: post the bzr branch info to edubuntu-devel mailing list?
09:55
<root>
oh
09:55
<ogra>
ldm-gtk-greeter or so
09:55
<root>
then
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<root>
what should i do
09:55
any idea
09:55
i ahve 2.6.5-7.244-smp
09:55
kernel
09:56
<ogra>
moquist, i'll package gutsys ltsp soon, it will be in there
09:56
<moquist>
ogra: OK.
09:56
<sbalneav>
root: you need to get 32 bit fuse libraries.
09:56
<ogra>
and in the default branch
09:56
<root>
gadi i have on one ln
09:56
its in /usr/lib
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09:56
<moquist>
ogra: will there be any difficulty testing the C greeter on an otherwise feisty system?
09:56
<root>
should i remove it
09:57
<Gadi>
yes
09:57
<root>
sbalneav
09:57
<Gadi>
remove the symlinks you made
09:57
<root>
if these are 32bit then what to do
09:57
<Gadi>
and do 'make install' again
09:57
<ogra>
moquist, it was written on feisty :)
09:57
<root>
it wont work for 64 bit
09:57
<moquist>
ogra: great. :)
09:58* ogra tries to get used to the classmate keyboard
09:58
<sbalneav>
root: How you get 32 bit fuse libraries on your SuSE box is really a distro problem. I'd look for help on that in the suse channel.
09:58
<moquist>
ogra: I'm hoping I can come up with some simple steps to get feisty to boot those infernal laptops more quickly, and thereby sell my boss' boss on Edubuntu.
09:59
<ogra>
moquist, i have an evil trick for you if you dont tell anybody ;) i just shoved off 30secs of the ltsp5 bootprocess with it
09:59
<Blinny>
jammcq: The VESA driver works fine with no X_VIDEORAM, but I can't go higher than 800x600
10:00
<moquist>
sbalneav, jammcq: I don't have an LTSP 4.2 system available ATM. Is the kernel config included in there somewhere, or is there an easier way for me to get a copy? (such as asking in #ltsp ;)
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10:01
<moquist>
ogra: Oooooo, I'm *SO* up for evil tricks right now. how shall we arrange for me to learn this evil trick?
10:01
<ogra>
jammcq, btw, measuring with break=top-bottom showed that your kernel is pretty exactly 11secs faster
10:01
<sbalneav>
ogra: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ldm-greeter, right?
10:02
<ogra>
moquist, edit the udev initscript and comment the udevmonitor and udevtrigger/settle blocks
10:02
sbalneav, yep
10:02
<moquist>
ogra: will do. (not today at home, but tomorrow at work)
10:02
ogra: thanks!
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10:02
<ogra>
sbalneav, you want the diff of the last two versions, that should be all changes to the default tree
10:03
<sbalneav>
ogra: Yikes! Python blows chunks on that!
10:03
<ogra>
moquist, tell me if it worked, i'm considering to use it as default if we dont see any breakage around
10:03
<moquist>
sbalneav: does that mean "this is way faster than the python implementation"?
10:03
<root>
gadi no use
10:03
<moquist>
ogra: I will let you know.
10:03
<ogra>
thanks
10:04
<root>
but yes now it give me size of disk
10:04
taht 50GB
10:04
<sbalneav>
ogra: check your private message
10:04
<root>
but its empty
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10:04
<ogra>
yeah, saw it
10:04
<sbalneav>
root: right, because you have 64 bit libraries for fuse, and an ltspfs program compiled for 32 bit.
10:05
<root>
so what to do
10:05
i have to run usb
10:05
any idea waht to do
10:05
<sbalneav>
yeah, get your fuse libraries going with 32 bit.
10:06
<root>
but i have 64 bit machine
10:06
its hp prolient
10:06
<sbalneav>
right, so you need 32 bit libraries. You need to compile them for 32 bit.
10:08
<root>
hum
10:08
ok
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<sbalneav>
root: Either check on the suse channel, or on the fuse channel to see how to do that.
10:09
I'm surprised that suse doesn't have fuse as an installable package.
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<sbalneav>
An the kernel you're running is like, getting close to two years old.
10:11
root: usually how you do this is install the 32 bit library package that your distro provides for fuse, and that works.
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10:12
<ogra_>
ouch
10:13
sbalneav, whatever you said, i didnt get it ... (battery died)
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10:15
<happywithed>
Ok, I am back, with mostly success
10:15
<ogra>
sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-greeter.tgz
10:15
<happywithed>
Are you guys still here? mosquit? Joebaker?
10:15
<sbalneav>
ogra: That's the binaries
10:15
<sutula>
Does anyone know what needs to work so that my clients can be configured from lts.conf symbolically, rather than with IP only. For example, [192.168.1.131] works but [thin1] doesn't
10:16
<ogra>
sbalneav, nope
10:16
sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-new-greeter.tgz is binary stuff
10:16
<Blinny>
sutula: Probably a hosts or dns problem.
10:17
<sbalneav>
ogra: ah, my mistake.
10:17
<happywithed>
*moquist
10:17
<sbalneav>
ok, I'm gonna do an upgrade edgy->feisty here at work
10:17
wish me luck :)
10:17
<happywithed>
good luck
10:17
<ogra>
whee
10:17* sutula notes that this he's using the Debian/Ubuntu packaging (ltsp-server) and the clients don't seem to be able to resolve any hostnames...maybe that's part of the problem
10:17
<ogra>
sbalneav, dont forget, use update-manager ;)
10:17
<sbalneav>
I am :)
10:18
<ogra>
great :)
10:18
<sbalneav>
stuck in the cd, following the prompts. etc
10:18
Being a good boy.
10:18
<happywithed>
OK, I guess moquist is gone and joebaker must be busy
10:19
<sbalneav>
happywithed: anything we can help you with?
10:19
<happywithed>
I need some help resolving some remaining issues with my ltsp setup. Here is what I did:
10:19
<Blinny>
sutula: Probably, yes. Fix that and you'll resolve the other problem.
10:20
<happywithed>
I had the following setup initially http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21271/
10:20
<sbalneav>
ogra: compile.sh? Looks like someone needs their C programming friend to get them autoconf'd :)
10:20
<ogra>
shudder ... autoconf
10:20
<happywithed>
I changed it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21278/ on moquist suggestion
10:20
at the same time I did the following:
10:20
<sbalneav>
ogra: it's not so bad, after the lobotomy.
10:21
<ogra>
hahaha
10:21
being able to build it -static would be nice ...
10:21
<happywithed>
stopped the dchp server on the router because my intention is to have one single dhcp running on the edubuntu server
10:22
<ogra>
even though i suspect we'll get several megabytes
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<happywithed>
then I changed my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf as follows: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21279/
10:23
<sbalneav>
happywithed: Wait, didn't I get you all sorted out before with the thin clients hanging off the second ethernet port?
10:23
<happywithed>
and then restarted the /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
10:24
I remember you nick, so maybe. But I wanted to have all the thin clients and other machines in the lab on the same dhcp instead of two subnets as in the first diagram
10:25
<sutula>
ogra: With Debian/Ubuntu setup, my client seems to be taking resolv.conf from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc ...does this sound right?
10:25
<happywithed>
So far everything is working fine and they seem to be working fine with some minor problems
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<happywithed>
Problem 1) I can ping from my non-thin-client machines to my thin client machines, but not the other way around
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<happywithed>
sbalneav: I am trying to solve that issue now. Can you help?
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<ogra>
sutula, yes, you dont need it, if you urgently want values in there, set DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf
10:26
<sepski>
happywithed, iptables --list ?
10:28
<happywithed>
sepski: do you mean /etc/iftab ?
10:28
<sbalneav>
happywithed: When you say, ping from my thin clients, are you logging into the thin client, opening a window in gnome, and running the ping?
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<sutula>
ogra: The reason I *think* I need correct values in there is that without it being correct, the clients don't seem to get their own name symbolically, and thus can't get their config values out of lts.conf by hostname (only by IP)
10:28
<ogra>
sutula, but everything in ltsp5 is ip based so there shouldnt be a need for that file
10:29
<sutula>
ogra: OK, so getting away from hostnames for this?
10:29
<ogra>
well, we usually use MAC adresses ... but if you want to have it name based, feel free
10:29
its just involving a lot of extra work
10:30
like setting up a DNS or maintaining a big hosts file ..
10:30
<happywithed>
sbalneav: wait, I was logging from a thin client to my server as admin
10:30
I'll try to log as a different user and try that
10:30
<sutula>
ogra: OK, I see the tradeoffs...thanks
10:30* sutula says "thanks" to Blinny as well
10:31
<happywithed>
sbalneav: It didn't work as a different user
10:31
I can ping from the server to any of the thin clients or PCs, but not from the thin client to the PCs or viceversa
10:32
I can ping the server from the PCs, though
10:32
and from the thing client to the server
10:32
*thin
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<happywithed>
sbalneav: correction, I can ping from the PCs to the thin client, but not from the thin client to the PC
10:36
<sbalneav>
happywithed: ok, can you ping something else?
10:36
like say, 205.200.162.11?
10:37
<happywithed>
For instance: I have a WinXP with ip address 192.168.0.249 and a thin client on 192.168.0.248, I can ping from the WinXP to the thin client, but not the other way around
10:37
I'll try
10:38
Yes, from both
10:39
<sbalneav>
ok, then there's nothing wrong with the edubuntu box. Perhaps the firewall on the windows machine is blocking ICMP ECHO REQUESTS
10:39
<happywithed>
how do I check that?
10:40
Wait, that's a silly question.
10:40
<sbalneav>
205.200.162.11 is my firewall.
10:41
if you can ping that, then the edubuntu box is sending pings. You also respond to pings, because the windows boxes can ping the edubuntu box.
10:41
therefore, problem is on your windows box.
10:43
<happywithed>
OK, then that's fine.
10:43
I really don't need to ping to my Wintels.
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<happywithed>
What I need is to be able to setup all the machines in the lab, thin clients, wintels and macs to share a couple of printers and eventually the same NFS and LDAP
10:45
<Blinny>
jammcq: So in a chat with Dell about this crashing box, they say that the video ram settings (1MB) cannot be changed. Does this mean I'm stuck with VESA?
10:45
<happywithed>
But for now, I would appreciate some help with setting up my DHCP server on edubuntu, which currently serves all the machines to share the printer
10:45
<cliebow_>
i could paste one i use..
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10:54
<sbalneav>
happywithed: And what doesn't it do now, that you're trying to get it to do?
10:54
<happywithed>
print to a network printer
10:55
also, one of the network printers is pretty old and needs to be setup on static ip, can this be done with dhcp3?
10:56
<cliebow_>
sure
10:56
<sbalneav>
ok, well, printing is independent of dhcp.
10:57
What kind of printer are they, and how are they connected to the network>
10:57
<cliebow_>
sbalneav: what perl operator will test if there is a remainder after a division
10:57
<sbalneav>
?
10:57
cliebow_: buhhh, %?
10:57
<cliebow_>
like 7/7 is a natural..no remainder...
10:57
6/7 would have a remainder
10:58
<sbalneav>
6 % 7?
10:58
<Blinny>
modulus?
10:58
<cliebow_>
im trying to tweak a calndar program set up to display all seven days..to only show Mon-Fri
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<cliebow_>
i been looking at it..guress i need to find a n example
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10:59
<happywithed>
I have one HP 7400, which is now connected to the network but I have a Ricoh IPSIO NX630N Laser printer, which is not
10:59
<sbalneav>
Do they have internal network cards?
10:59
And do the other machines print to them currently?
10:59
<happywithed>
Yes
10:59
Yes
10:59
<Blinny>
cliebow_: Yeah, just test if int1 % int2 ==0 .. If so, then there's no remainder
11:00
<happywithed>
gnome-cups-add can see both,
11:00
I was able to confirm that while we were chatting
11:01
<sbalneav>
ok, so all you should need to do in Edubuntu is set up an lpd connected printer.
11:01
That should work fine.
11:01
<happywithed>
I just sent a test page to the HP 7400 from a thin client and it worked fine
11:02
How do I set up an lpd?
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11:02
<cliebow_>
Blinny, does that imply addition?
11:03
<Blinny>
cliebow_: I don't understand the question. The % operator simply returns the remainder when you divide int1 by int2.
11:03
10 % 3 == 1
11:03
10 % 5 == 0
11:03
<sbalneav>
happywithed: if you set up a printer, and sent a test page, you're already done :)
11:04
<cliebow_>
ahah..Divide!!
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<happywithed>
sbalneav: Yes, I guess. I was trying several things on the side while chatting
11:05
As Plato said (paraphrasing), if you describe the problem, then there is no problem...
11:06
<Blinny>
There is no Dana there is only Zeul?
11:06
<happywithed>
...or as you describe the problem, you'll notice that no problem existed on the first place...
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11:07
<HAPPIERwithed>
Things are looking good in edubuntu-world...
11:07
:-)
11:11
<sbalneav>
Argh, what's the command for resetting your root window pointer?
11:13
NM
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11:21
<Gadi>
was SMODULE implemented in LTSP5?
11:24
<ogra>
SMODULE ?
11:24
wat would that be ?
11:24
*what
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11:24
<ogra>
Gadi, ?
11:25
<Gadi>
specify sound driver
11:25
<ogra>
nope
11:25
we have MODULE_nn if you really want to force modules
11:26
but 99% of the PCI soundcards will be autodetected by udev
11:26
<Gadi>
SMODULE_XX
11:26
i take it from the response, the answer is no ;)
11:26
does that load modules prior to pulseaudio?
11:26
<ogra>
well, ise MODULE_nn
11:26
indeed
11:26
*use
11:26
<Gadi>
excellent
11:26
gracias
11:26
<ogra>
got an ISA card ?
11:28
<Gadi>
prolly - /me helping someone else - /me thinks has an old vectra
11:28
so, most likely ISA
11:28
<ogra>
pulseaudio is started even after ldm ...
11:28
we dont need sound before X ;)
11:29* Gadi thinks ogra doesnt play Pong on his thin client
11:29
<Gadi>
;)
11:29
<ogra>
heh
11:29
no, i actually dont ... even though i start to think thats the only thing the e2300 is usable for :P
11:29
<Gadi>
i told you how directx + pulse rocks, right?
11:30
this same client of mine does a lot of streaming video
11:30
for the first time in a long time its PC quality
11:30
<ogra>
yeah, works nice ...
11:30
<Gadi>
(once you get the friggin codecs working) ;)
11:30
<ogra>
i was a bit astonished when i tried it on the e2300 ... where it apparently did nothing
11:30
<Gadi>
lol
11:31
<ogra>
or rather "didnt improve anything"
11:31
<Gadi>
tell them to buy SYM1110s :)
11:31
<krinns>
gadi
11:31
this is root
11:31
<ogra>
but i found that this think seems to only be able to do usable screen drawing with 800x600
11:31
<Gadi>
ill make them a good deal ;)
11:31
<krinns>
previously i was online with root
11:31
i think its 64 bit prb
11:31
<ogra>
every higher res lets me see the desktop being redrawn
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<krinns>
what abt if i move to SLED10 or sles10
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11:32
<krinns>
i think that both have fuse built in
11:32
<ogra>
no matter which method (ssh/XDMCP/ldm+directX) i use
11:32
<Gadi>
krinns: ah
11:32
as GI Joe says, knowing is half the battle
11:32
<krinns>
what u suggest
11:33
b/c i have only 64 bit machines
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11:43
<Blinny>
Gadi: Are you symbiont?
11:43
<Mole>
anyone running ltsp/pxe on debian ?
11:43
<Gadi>
I am a part of Symbio Technologies, tes
11:43
er, yes
11:44
<vagrantc>
Mole: what do you need?
11:44
<Mole>
i dunno..some kinda guide to help me understand how to set it up..like step by step :)
11:44
<vagrantc>
Mole: what have you done so far?
11:44
<Mole>
ive been reading on different sites but im still not sure what does what
11:45
vagrantc : nothing yet :D
11:45
but ive been running debian for like 7 years now so that shouldnt be a problem hehe
11:45
<vagrantc>
well ...
11:45
<Mole>
pxe is used to get the OS via the nic right? and ltsp serves debian to the clients ?
11:45
<vagrantc>
sure
11:46
http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
11:46
it could use some work :)
11:46
<Mole>
:)
11:46
<Blinny>
Gadi: Right on. We've been fighting so much with old hardware it's beginning to look like we should just buy little thin-clients new.
11:47
<Gadi>
Blinny: you going to any of the NELS/NCLS type conferences this summer?
11:47
<Mole>
vagrantc : should i be using ltsp5 on etch? or ltsp4.xx ?
11:47
<vagrantc>
Mole: on etch, definitely go with ltsp5 :)
11:47
<Mole>
ok
11:47
<vagrantc>
Mole: have to do a little backporting to get local devices to work ... but most things should be fine.
11:48
<Blinny>
Gadi: Ah, like the one in VT? I hadn't planned on it, unfortunately. I need to Get Shit Working before I can justify conferences to the purse string holders.
11:49
Gadi: You demoing hardware?
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11:49
<Gadi>
more than that, we will be offering a special deal
11:49
on clients
11:50
its a promotional we're gonna try out at those conferences
11:50
<Blinny>
Right on. I love deals. But I need to show LTSP working for more than a few minutes to justify it to the bosses.
11:50
<Mole>
Gadi : url? :)
11:51
<Gadi>
Blinny: heh
11:51
Mole: we are www.TheSymbiont.com
11:51
the promotion is gonna be just for edus in the US tho, for now
11:51
<Blinny>
That's us.
11:51
<Mole>
ok
11:52
<Blinny>
We're a 501c3 foster care place w/ a full k-12 school side of the biz too
11:52
Aptly, we're running K12LTSP (;
11:53
At least, I am. The other test boxes keep insisting on crapping out. Methinks I should have picked different test boxes.
11:53
<Gadi>
interesting
11:53
<Blinny>
Has to do w/ old Dell BIOS and i810 vid card.
11:55
<Gadi>
may need to turn off acpi/apm
11:55
lots of old processors can have issues with it
11:55
s/processors/chipsets/
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<Blinny>
Gadi: Yeah. How do I do that for non-pxe boots? through a dhcpd string?
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12:03
<Gadi>
indeed
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<Goxa>
I need help
12:05
I instaled Ubuntu 7.04 and ltsp 5
12:06
installation went ok
12:06
I have 5 terminal clients
12:06
but only 4 wont to boot up
12:06
fifth wont
12:06
and it is not alwas the same one
12:07
it is last started
12:07
It promts error with nfs.premount
12:08
<vagrantc>
could you paste the error to the pastebot ?
12:08
!pastebot
12:08
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
12:08
<vagrantc>
please type the error as closely as you can
12:09
<Gadi>
also, have you modified dhcpd.conf in any way?
12:09
<vagrantc>
Goxa: it's really always the 5th one that won't boot, depending on whatever boots last?
12:10
<Goxa>
yaes
12:10
yes
12:14
<plamengr>
hi, vagrantc :) nf1 is with me. We figured out the problem with the client with the kernel panic. We tested it on another LTSP server, Now after the machine boots up to LDM, instead of showing ldm it crashes with black screen... Nothing on the thin client responds, we can't ping it from the server
12:15
<Goxa>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=446851
12:15
I describet problem here
12:15
<vagrantc>
plamengr: how much memory does it have?
12:15
<Goxa>
with some output
12:15
<vagrantc>
plamengr: maybe try running memtest86+ on it
12:15
<plamengr>
by spec 128 mb
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<vagrantc>
plamengr: sounds like it *might* be bad memory ... run memtest on it
12:16
<plamengr>
the client is integrated in monitor, there's only usb and LAN, no HDD
12:17
<vagrantc>
so run memtest on it
12:17
that's my best idea at this point
12:18
<plamengr>
Unfortunately, we can't load any OS :(
12:18
<vagrantc>
network boot memtest
12:19
<plamengr>
can you send a link?
12:19
<vagrantc>
plamengr: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install memtest86+
12:20
<plamengr>
ok, thanks a lot :)
12:20
<vagrantc>
plamengr: run ltsp-update-kernels
12:20
plamengr: echo DEFAULT memtest86+ > /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
12:20
and boot
12:22
might have to symlink /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/memtest86+ to something without the + ... some versions of syslinux are kind of stupid
12:22
<meduxa>
there are usb stick distros
12:22
you can use
12:23
<vagrantc>
er ...
12:23
memtest86+.bin
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<plamengr>
Have you seen before this output of memtest86+: 0104 repeating endlessly?
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12:51
<Blinny>
Anyone have a suggestion for a batch of 20-25 video cards that I can slap in to thin clients and have it Just Work?
12:52
They should be PCI
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12:56
<cliebow_>
Blinny:mind taking a look at a lil piece of perl?
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12:59
<Blinny>
cliebow_: Not at all.
13:00
<cliebow_>
for ($i=1; $i<=$days_in_month; $i++){
13:00
#print "$i\n";
13:00
my $saturday=(($i+$monthstart) % 7);
13:00
my $sunday=($saturday-1);
13:00
if ($saturday ==0){print "$i->It is Saturday\n"};
13:00
#next if ($sunday ==0);#{print "$i->It is Sunday\n"};
13:00
<Blinny>
cliebow_ ...though I should warn you, I've never programmed in Perl before. (:
13:00
<cliebow_>
print "$i\n";}
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13:01
<Blinny>
What is $monthstart?
13:01
<cliebow_>
heh..i just ant to break out to the next $i if a variable is 0
13:01
if you use localtime in perl it will tell you what day the month starts
13:02
<Blinny>
as in, 'Friday'?
13:02
<cliebow_>
well it would give 5
13:02
<plamengr>
Do you have any experience with AMD Geode LX Video cards and LTSP5? We can't choose right driver
13:02
<cliebow_>
errr 6
13:02
<Blinny>
Gotchya
13:02
<cliebow_>
planemgr: nsc driver?
13:03
Blinny:$i starts at one and goes up one everytime trhough the loop until it reaches days_in_month..
13:04
which is 31 for may
13:04
<Gadi>
plamengr: have you tried installing the AMD driver in universe?
13:04
<Blinny>
Why wouldn't $sunday be $saturday+1? Also, you should check into breaking out using the continue statement. It's executed just before the conditional is evaluated again.
13:04
<Gadi>
you would have to modify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
13:04
and apt-get it into the chroot
13:05
<cliebow_>
I just want it to bail if it is Saturday or Sunday..heh..you see where i am going
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13:05
<Blinny>
Yeah.
13:05
<Gadi>
cliebow_: I used to give this project to interns to learn new programming languages :)
13:06
<cliebow_>
which is what i am doing 8~)
13:06
<Gadi>
"write a calendar program in php"...
13:06
;)
13:06* Gadi wonders if he has any code on his lappy
13:06
<Blinny>
cliebow_: then you'll want to look at the 'last' operator to break out of the loop
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<cliebow_>
Gadi:i thought you gave me a "next if "framework if i wanted to break out of a loop
13:07
<Gadi>
next will go to the next iteration in the loop
13:07
<cliebow_>
i have a calendar program i want to tweak to only show Mon. thru Fri
13:08
<Blinny>
Yeah then you want 'next' not 'last'
13:08
<Gadi>
cliebow_: you never want to subtract from a mod
13:08
you should subtract and then mod
13:09
otherwise the mod is useless
13:09
<cliebow_>
i wondered about the implications of that
13:09
<Blinny>
cliebow_: You could also substr the localtime return value and check for !Sat || !Sun
13:10* Gadi likes the exercise for interns because many programmers hate/don't use math
13:10
<Gadi>
oddly enough
13:10
:)
13:10
<cliebow_>
k..ill play with that..
13:10
<Blinny>
cliebow_: ala if (substr((localtime ()), 0, 3) != 'Sat' && substr((localtime ()), 0, 3)!='Sun') then { do_yo_thang();}
13:10
<Gadi>
cliebow_: if the result of the mod is 0, its sunday, if its 6 its saturday
13:10
nbd
13:12
<cliebow_>
Blinny: localtime gives you.. current..not fiuture ..information ..that make any sense to you?
13:12
Gadi: i see where you are going
13:12
<Blinny>
cliebow_: Yes. I'll shush now (;
13:13
<Gadi>
if you like, I made a Hebrew calendar with them, as well ;)
13:13
<cliebow_>
Blinny, thanks anyway..i appreciate input...
13:14
Gadi: As always you think in higher parallel universe
13:14* Gadi was a math major
13:14
<Gadi>
and a computer is a big calculator
13:15
best to ask it easy questions
13:15
:D
13:15
<cliebow_>
heh: i did a lot of math..but must be getting rusty..why the devil didnt i think of "sunday is 6??
13:17
Gadi: are you teachng at Gould or UNH?
13:18
<Gadi>
heh, I was just reading a response to an email where I asked the very same thing
13:18
:)
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not sure
13:18* Gadi thinks they are still scheduling things
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<Gadi>
want me to teach about the powers of mod?
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"From Calendars to Encryption"
13:19
mod - the programmer's friend
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:)
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<Gadi>
too many schools teaching kids visual basic and calling it computer science
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*sigh*
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<Blinny>
vb is my butt
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<cliebow_>
for ($i=1; $i<=$days_in_month; $i++){
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my $saturday=(($i+$monthstart) % 7);
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next if ($saturday ==0); #{print "$i->It is Saturday\n"};
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next if ($saturday ==6);#{print "$i->It is Sunday\n"};
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print "$i\n";
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why am i so dense?
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<Gadi>
because you name every variable saturday?
13:23
;)
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I mean, I love weekends as much as the next guy
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<cliebow_>
haaa!
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<cliebow_>
it doesnt break out of the loop..and use next value of $i
13:25
ohhhhhh
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<Gadi>
btw, i usually make the interns rewrite it in OO code once they do it straight
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<Q-FUNK>
heh
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<Blinny>
(should then rewrite in self-modifying code)
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<vykarian>
Hi all.. is there a way to LTSP client start freeNX client before (or instead) connect to xdmcp??
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<Gadi>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#NX
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<vykarian>
Gadi ty =]
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<Gadi>
np
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<yanu_>
if the hardware on the clientside is capeble of running 3D, is it than possible with ltsp5?
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<Gadi>
yanu: thru glx, yes
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not directfb or dri
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or any other direct draw methos
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er, method
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<yanu>
i just mean beryl , but that's glx i suppose
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<Gadi>
and you would need to bypass ssh, i believe
14:34
write directly to the xserver
14:34* Gadi is not sure about beryl
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<Gadi>
tho, it would certainly strain ur network
14:35
with a lot of folks doing it
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<yanu>
hmm, beryl must be running localy, right?
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<Gadi>
no
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im not sure
14:36
good question
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:)
14:36
<yanu>
it become complicated
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<Gadi>
have you tried launching it from the terminal?
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<yanu>
the windowmanager must have access to the hardware directly
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<Gadi>
it most likely will not work through ssh
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<yanu>
thx for the answer
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<mighty-d>
hi, i was wondering how smaill can a thin client be... in fact, im running this service since february, and someone just told me he can give me this pentium mmx with 32 MB RAM, im running a pentium mmx with 128 and it runs like a charm, but im a little afraid with 32 MB
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<yanu>
think now 64 is normal, but maybe 32 will work, but i'm not sure
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<vagrantc>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <ogra> no matter which method (ssh/XDMCP/ldm+directX) i use
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<mighty-d>
yanu, have you seen 64 MB running?
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<yanu>
it was so, some time ago
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now i changed that machine, think it has more ram now
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<mighty-d>
how did it run?
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<yanu>
it was ltsp4.1, no problem, slow start, once it was running, like normal
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<mighty-d>
thanks yanu, i'll see if this runs under 4.2
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:P
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<yanu>
np
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<Rob_F>
I have installed ltsp using http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian but the clients just hang on loading vmlinuz
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Have checked for typos, tried with and without workstation specific stuff in dhcp.conf
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<Rob_F>
netstat -apn|grep ":69 " shows udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2445/inetd
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<sutula>
Rob_F: I didn't know about the wiki page you pointed at, so probably can't help all that much, but I followed the *very* brief instructions in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian and it worked fine
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Rob_F: I recall the only significant manual step was looking at dhcpd.conf from the examples/ subdir of the above dir and integrating it with my (already working) dhcpd.conf
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Rob_F: Also, are those instructions dated? The Debian Etch release contains code that uses ltsp 5. Someone else here may know for sure.
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<Rob_F>
Thanks - that folder (/usr/share/doc/ltsp-server) does not even exist on this machine
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<sutula>
Rob_F: Which Debian version?
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<Rob_F>
4.0
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<sutula>
Rob_F: Have you installed the ltsp-server package?
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dpkg -l ltsp-server
17:48* sutula needs to take off, but notes that he removed all the "by hand" attempts at getting ltsp running, "apt-get install ltsp-server", then followed the afore-mentioned README.Debian
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<Rob_F>
installing now (Why was that not in the instructions I used I wonder)
17:49
Thanks for your tips
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<sutula>
Rob_F: My guess is that the instructions predate the ltsp-server package being viable
17:50
Rob_F: You might want to purge (or be aware of) your attempts to install it by hand. The ltsp-build-client script does a lot of what's in the wiki instructions and there might be conflicts.
17:50* sutula runs
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<Rob_F>
Anyone know of a more up to date howto?
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<dan__t>
werd.
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so how might one go about doing a broadcast message to all LTSP clients? Popping up a windowbox or whatever
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<nickel2>
I dont know about that but I had various users on ICQ at one stage for instant messages
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<dan__t>
heheh
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<Rob_F>
Does smbclient -M computername work?
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<nickel2>
did you find a way dan__t btw ?
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<agike>
Hi, I'm having an xorg problem with installing ltsp5 on Etch.
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<agike>
Specifically, with xserver-xorg-input-wacom
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.. and xserver-xorg-input-all
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.. both remain unconfigured after 'dpkg --configure -a'
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Any ideas ? {I can paste fuller output to pastebot}
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