IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 February 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<jimjimovich>
hello everyone
00:20
anyone have any tips for using/securing neatx on ubuntu ltsp?
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i've got it installed and use it internally, but need to open it up for remote access for a few users
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<muppis>
jimjimovich, I don't know does Neatx have done it own, but NoMachine NX uses SSH tunneling.
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<jimjimovich>
muppis: neatx does too. i'm wondering if i can somehow use ssh keys for my users and force that for remote logins without messing up the ltsp logins
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<muppis>
jimjimovich, correc tme. if I'm wrong, but doesn't neatx then login via SSH and there is no need for ldm/gmd greeters? I used NoMachine NX for a while some time ago and it did that way.
00:27
correct..
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<jimjimovich>
yes, that's correct, it seems
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i'm just not sure i trust my users' passwords all that much and would like to add another layer of security
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<gnunux>
hi
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<muppis>
hi
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<alkisg>
Καλημέρα
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<muppis>
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<elias_a>
Hyvää huomenta kaikille!
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<txor_>
hi
05:57
I'm looking for asolution about random problem on booting the clients
05:57
any LTSP hackers here?
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<muppis>
Tell your ptoblem, so maybe someone can help.
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<txor_>
okey thanks
06:00
I'm trying to boot an HP thin client on LTSP 4
06:00
sometimes it boot fine
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<muppis>
Why LTSP 4? (Take a look at channel's topic..)
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<txor_>
but sometimes, once the image has loaded, it complaints with a server not found
06:01
it's a closed product of an opensuse 11.2 basde distro
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Yeah I understand that we have to use LTSP 5 but now we can't change, maybe in further releases...
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I suspect that the solution is kinda trickier
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When the client complains, he has the correct IP
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it*
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any ideas? u want the ltsp-info text?
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thx in advice
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<alkisg>
The point of "ltsp 4 is unsupported" is that 99% of people here don't know it so they can't answer questions about it...
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<tech_dvo>
good day!
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<alkisg>
Keep that in mind and wait for a couple of days, maybe the 1% will come and help you :D
06:04
<txor_>
hehe I don't see that...
06:04
yeah thx
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<alkisg>
Or try the mailing list
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<txor_>
yes
06:06
wow! I check the LTSP version... and its 5.2 !! I was in mistake.. xD
06:06
<tech_dvo>
how to disable apic in thin clients -- ? (not sure if this is the right term)
06:06
<alkisg>
txor_: heh, ok, go on then
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<txor_>
It's ltsp-server-5.2.4-3.1.i586
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lol sorry
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<alkisg>
If you're using kiwi ltsp, ask in its channel:
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!kiwi-ltsp
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "kiwi-ltsp" :: for kiwi-ltsp related questions, you can also ask in the #kiwi-ltsp freenode IRC channel, or visit http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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<txor_>
I asked too
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<alkisg>
As it's too customized to the kiwi technology, so only a few people here know about this too
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<txor_>
ok
06:07
I understand
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but u know any reason for the client only connect to server some times? Maybe a misconfigured service...
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any known problem...
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<alkisg>
It's kiwi specific, sorry, I don't know about that technology
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<txor_>
yeah
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thx u very much for ur responses! LTSP i's great! ;D
06:20
<tech_dvo>
hey -- I'm still troubleshooting my Prosavage8 video card to work fine (in ubuntu ltsp)
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<tech_dvo>
would it help if I could boot from a live cd and check it's video config file
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and use it to boot the client properl?
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<tech_dvo>
where do I usually see this file?
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config file -- in gentoo
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as I am successful i
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<alkisg>
If you mean the logout problems, yes, try with a live cd/usb stick
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And see if it's OK there
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<tech_dvo>
--would it help if I purchase a video card and use this instead of the mainboard's built in video card?
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<alkisg>
*if* it's a video problem, yes
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If it's not, no :)
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<cyberorg>
alkisg, there is nothing kiwi specific except for auto configuration of the server and image building parts, everything else is ltsp
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<alkisg>
cyberorg: aren't you also using AoE and clicfs etc?
06:41
I don't know about these technologies...
06:43
I also don't know about how fedora handles its ethernet bridging, so I don't comment there either :)
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<cyberorg>
alkisg, yes, AoE is just like NBD and clicfs is fuse based replacement of squashfs, it does not make any difference when using LTSP as all of the ltsp packages behaves the same as on any other distros
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<alkisg>
Well... with those symptoms on Ubuntu I'd guess that it was an nbd-proxy problem
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Are you using nbd-proxy?
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(i.e. sometimes the client contacting the server, other times not)
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<cyberorg>
alkisg, btw, the default setup on suse is nbd, aoe is an option
06:45
txor_, can you boot using debug option and get the logs? /var/log/boot.kiwi from the client
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<alkisg>
See? I wouldn't know about that debug file :)
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<cyberorg>
alkisg, yeah :)
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that is the log from initrd
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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<tech_dvo>
any other troubleshooting i could do to identify where the login problem lies?
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<tech_dvo>
clients can read the server cd?
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<alkisg>
tech_dvo: you can easily netboot, e.g. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-77
07:22
If you want the clients to read the CD after they boot, sure, they can read it
07:22
But that doesn't help with the installation
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<tech_dvo>
the client has a cd -- and there's an error during live booting -- i386 desktop 10.10 ubuntu is still not bootable in this computer.....
07:28
I may have to try with the video card -- I have some computer that has a video card I want to install, but different brand of mainboard -----
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alkisg: as always, thanks for the assistance!
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will be back for more :)
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<alkisg>
good luck
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<robehend1>
is there any rough numbers on how many clients it takes to make ltsp-cluster make more sense than a big ltsp-server/
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<Gremble>
robehend1, surely that depends on so many factors
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<robehend1>
such as? I'm tryign to get ideas on sizing for a 250 client network
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<Gremble>
workload type, scalability required, client numbers
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you'd probably want to look at splitting out the services at that level I'd have thought
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I'd call that "a lot" of clients
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the question is how to split them up, and how to share /home/
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also, think about how fat/thin the clients are going to be
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you might get away with 1 server or a local app based install for 250 clients
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you might get away with 1 server for a local app based install for 250 clients
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<elias_a>
Hello, dudes - FYI: http://edukemix.blogspot.com/2011/01/edukemix-mind-blowing-approach-on-it-at.html
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You are all most welcome to challenge our approach. I am the messenger to point at ;-)
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<Gremble>
there's not many details about the approach there elias_a
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we spoke to someone in Bristol about it, not really expecting much of a response, they said "we have got to try this - we can't not try this"
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but then no one teacher would stick their neck out and actually manage the project
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<elias_a>
Gremble: There's more to come soon. We are going to install all the alternatives we have heard of and it is very likely that everybody who wants to is welcome to test the installations.
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<Gremble>
lots of documentation please elias_a
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<elias_a>
The 1st article is written for people who are FLOSS illitterate.
08:25
Gremble: That's a good point. But what kind of documentation do you have in mind?
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<robehend1>
elias_a: I'm doing something very similiar at my p-6 school. They're running all LTSP, except for the one lab of Macs I cant get rid of
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<elias_a>
robehend1: What is a p-6 school?
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<robehend1>
elias_a: and as for your LMS that needs SCORM, if I'm not mistaken, Moodle does that natively?
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elias_a: pre-school through 6th grade.
08:26
elias_a: basically ages 4-12
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<elias_a>
robehend1: Ok. And which country are we talking about?
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<robehend1>
elias_a: USA
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<Gremble>
elias_a, anything you do that's not already well documented
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<elias_a>
robehend1: Ok. Your system is not quite the same as the Nordic system. But tech stuff is another world....
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Gremble: Ok. We are just starting so it should be an easy task to do, though takes a little work.
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<robehend1>
elias_a: yep. Also, the political part is usually pretty close, as teachers are teachers regardless of where they're at. I'd be more than happy to provide my input on how I've overcome some of those hurdles, as well as the tricks I've needed to apply to make people accept anything thats "Not windows"
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<elias_a>
We take the "not windows" part for granted ;-)
08:30
Moodle supports SCORM well AFAIK.
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<NeonLicht>
Yes, it does.
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<robehend1>
I'm 99% sure it does. I've been running Moodle for 2 years now with no complaints
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<elias_a>
The hard question is what we can achieve with SCORM compatibility.
08:31
We are talking about a big change going on in Finland at the moment.
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<robehend1>
are they any other blogs or anything detailing it? I'm always after examples of what other places are doing, so I can point them out to my schoolboard with the "See, I'm not crazy" sticker attached
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<elias_a>
Educational organizations want to change the contracts with the publishers from annual fees to use based fees....
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robehend1: No, there's nothing in English. The rest of the stuff is in Finnish.
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<robehend1>
ha, i'm noticing ours are giong the opposite direction. They're wanting to go with blanket subscriptions
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<elias_a>
robehend1: Tell me what you want to know.
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<robehend1>
elias_a: thats fine. Google Translate may not be the best, but it'll make it legible enough for me
08:33
mostly just general, this kind of thing is my passion, so I like to read about it, get ideas, etc
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<elias_a>
Goole Translate will not make legible english from Finnish texts of this context, but let me see.....
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robehend1: Seems like the people @ National Board of Education are really relying on us..... We really have to explain everything from the scratch: http://www.oph.fi/oppimisymparistohankkeet_2010/laitteet_ja_ohjelmistot_opetuskaytossa/oppimisymparisto_vaihtoehtoisessa_kayttojarjestelmassa
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I will write a bit more later today or tomorrow before noon. Now it's time for supper and some cross country skiing...
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<robehend1>
elias_a: ha, nice. wish I had that kind of backing, our education boards are still in the "whats linux" phase
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<vmlintu>
robehend1: it wasn't more than 6 years ago when the local content providers were saying that no-one will use linux
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<robehend1>
vmlintu: Oh? Where at, can I ask?
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<vmlintu>
robehend1: here in finland, of course ;)
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<robehend1>
haha. It's sounding like its time to move almost ;0
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I keep stumbling across the "I dont care what those countries are using, this is America!!" mentality, when I pull up examples of anywhere else using linux
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<vmlintu>
windows cdroms with visual basic software were the state of the art..
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<robehend1>
oh gosh, dont get me started on that.
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I'm still in the process of convincing them that IT education shouldn't end at Office
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<vmlintu>
cdrom vendors kinda killed themselves when they sold chea for-life licenses only - once all schools had their cdroms, they didn't have anything to sell anymore and died
08:46
chea=chea
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cheap
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looks like I need a new keyboard
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<Nubae>
robehend1 why not show them hollywood linux usage
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99% usage there
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<robehend1>
Nubae: rendering and such?
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<Nubae>
no everything
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absolutely everything
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<robehend1>
hmm
08:49
Let me use some Google-Fu, see what I can find
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<Nubae>
started with titanic, then every company moved to linux
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<vmlintu>
hollywood used amigas in the old days too if I remember correctly
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<Nubae>
too true
08:49* Nubae graduated from Amigas
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<robehend1>
ha nice
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<Nubae>
too bad Commodre's marketing sucked so bad
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<robehend1>
I knew they used linux for their rendering farms, but I didnt know they used it for the actual creation/editing,e tc
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<Nubae>
sure every film production software runs on linux
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even the microsoft made stuff!!
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like softimage
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<robehend1>
wowza
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<Nubae>
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Hollywood-Loves-Linux-45571.shtml
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first google link
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<robehend1>
You know, thats sorta perfect timing. in our new building, we're putting in a tv production studio, and the teacher has been DEMANDING mac pros
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<Nubae>
heh, thats common... tv still uses macs a lot, but even they are slowly moving across
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<robehend1>
personally, i think it's becuase the teacher has never used anything beyond Imovie, but thats just me
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<Nubae>
your probably right... the big move actually happened cause of SGI's death
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<robehend1>
sgi?
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i'm way outta the loop for this kinda stuff ;)
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<Nubae>
sgi was unix, so only positive move was linux - silicon graphics
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<robehend1>
ah, that makes sense then
08:53
part that bugs me the most about it, is that the kids dont care what i plop them in front of, as long as it works
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<Nubae>
right
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<robehend1>
heck, i've got a group of kids using Openshot to make a documentary right now. it took me all of 20 minutes to give em a basics course on it, and they've taken off
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<Nubae>
excellent
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<robehend1>
ha, now if only i could get it to work with blender for the 3d titles it keeps saying it has..
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<robehend1>
Nubae: beyond Openshot and PiTiVi, do you know of any programs you'd recommend for high school age students looking to start videocasting and such? Their goal is to do a 1/2 hour show weekly on the local public access, who has given us their blessintg
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<Venker>
hi there
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<robehend1>
well hello
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<Venker>
I have deployed a ltsp-server in an ubuntu 10.04 box
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30 thin clients
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I'm searching for any app to manage the thin clients (poweroff, startup, and so on...) but ltsp-admin does not work with this ubuntu version
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<robehend1>
Venker: have you checked out the links here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCStartup
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theres also one for shutting down, all via cron
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<Venker>
I tried that, but it does not work :(
09:05
I mean
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this one does not work for me: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn
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<robehend1>
Venker: I've never tried it, myself, but do you have any clues on how its failing?
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<Venker>
I don't know, these days I'm managing it remotely
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so I couldn't see any output
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<robehend1>
ah, gotcha
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<Venker>
any log to check?
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<robehend1>
not that i know of, but honestly, i could be mistaken. still learning myself
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<Venker>
and there is no ltsp init script to make it stop. Any change needs to reboot the entire server
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<robehend1>
well, lets backup. your looking to be able to shutdown and start clients remotely, correct?
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<Venker>
yes
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<robehend1>
could you use the chroots cron to shut it down at a specific time? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ChrootCronjobs
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as for startup, thats wakeonlan, and while i'm not familiar, I'd assume you could write a script for that too, and set it in the servers cron..
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<Venker>
yes, cron is already installed
09:14
I followed the howto for the cronjobs and then the automaticshutdown one
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<robehend1>
if i'm not mistaken, doesnt he cronjobs do shutdowns to, at the bottom of the page?
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<Venker>
no, it does not execute the cron command
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<robehend1>
hmm
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sorry bud, i honestly dont know what to say, as i've never tried it
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<Venker>
if I login in the chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386), it saids there is no crontab for root
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<robehend1>
well thats just weird. you chrooted in and installed it, correct?
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<Venker>
yes
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<robehend1>
well thats just weird.
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ack, student
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all. When using NBD_SWAP = true, where does the config file to set swap size go? I have put mine in /etc/ltsp/nbdswap.conf (contents size="512"), but it doesn't seem to set the size properly
11:58
it appears the nbd_swap file is being ignored
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<_UsUrPeR_>
fixed it. It's nbdswapd.conf not nbdswap.conf
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<rasthomas1>
anyone running ltsp on suse?
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<vagrantc>
rasthomas1: have you tried in #kiwi-ltsp ?
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<rasthomas1>
no activity there
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<vagrantc>
rasthomas1: you might poke cyberorg, who was one of the opensuse devs
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<rasthomas1>
okay will do thanks
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<robehend1>
has suse ltsp pretty much died then?
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<vagrantc>
dunno
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<alkisg>
"was"?
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<vagrantc>
maybe is
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<robehend1>
i've never tried it, but have always been interested in booting it up to see how it works.
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<alkisg>
I tried the live DVD, it was very very nice
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A little heavy for the clients, but it had everything out of the box
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<robehend1>
well thats always good though
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<_UsUrPeR_>
for the record, #kiwi-ltsp is where questions about ltsp for suse go
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kiwi = opensuse ltsp name
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<alkisg>
!kiwi-ltsp
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "kiwi-ltsp" :: for kiwi-ltsp related questions, you can also ask in the #kiwi-ltsp freenode IRC channel, or visit http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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<alkisg>
:)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
there we are :)
13:31
hey, can anybody tell me what the purpose of "live ltsp" on a edubuntu cd is?
13:31
<robehend1>
give it a shot before installing
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh. the strange part: there appear to be no automated processes for installing ltsp on edubuntu
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which strikes me as odd since the liveltsp functionality is inharent
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<robehend1>
nope, after you install edubuntu, you install it just like you would with any of the *buntus
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<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah
13:32
does the alternate installation cd still have an LTSP install option in 10.04?
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is that something that is going to be "kept around"?
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<robehend1>
never actually tried that option, it made a chroot for you and everything, correct/
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<alkisg>
The ltsp installation option in the alternate CD doesn't add any "weight" in the cd so I imagine it'll stick around...
13:34
I think there's a wiki page for installing ltsp on edubuntu
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<robehend1>
if i update packages on the server, will thin clients have to reboot to get them?
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<alkisg>
No
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<robehend1>
oo nice
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<vagrantc>
robehend1: but you should also update the chroot periodically
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<robehend1>
vagrantc: use the standard apt-get safe-upgrade, or by deleting the chroot and making a new one
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<evil_root>
alkisg your bad ass, just felt like telling you
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<robehend1>
haha nice
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<alkisg>
Heh, thanks, any specific reason for this?! :)
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<evil_root>
sup robehend1
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<robehend1>
ha, strugglign with a bandwidth issue, yourself?
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<evil_root>
lol nope just felt like sharing alkisg
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and robehend1 we are peered with 360 networks, i dont know what bandwidth means
14:36
lolololololol
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<robehend1>
ha so not fair
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i'm for some reason getting 20-30 kb/s from all apt-gets..
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but when i sit on my desktop, not 100 yards from the server, it gets the average 300-400
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<evil_root>
dam man that sucks
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<robehend1>
ill track it down. its just a weird one, since i've switched cords and switch ports, same thing..and its not just the ltsp box, so its not a config issue
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<vagrantc>
robehend1: i'd do: ltsp-chroot apt-get upgrade ... works on debian, at least.
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<robehend1>
hmm, sounds like it should work otherwise too
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<vagrantc>
and then you'd have to ltsp-update-image afterworks
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<robehend1>
of course
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<vagrantc>
on ubuntu
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<Linux_Eki>
evening
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i have bit problems with ltsp cluster control
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<Linux_Eki>
When i connect to admin web page, I don't see any way to change configuration on the first page. Should look like this but I don't have those attribute options. http://tinyurl.com/6jlnnxc
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<grasshopper>
Is there anyone around who can help with some questions we have regarding thin client configurations?
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We have a lab of 30 workstations: some are old P4s and 3 of them are then client diskless workstations (LTSP Term 1620)
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Accounts with a home folder on the thin server on /localhome/<user> will not log in on the diskless workstations, but users with home folders on /home log in fine
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If we change lts.conf to set LOCAL_APPS=false the problem goes away...
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We also have an issue whereby the thin server has a number of "gnome-session" processes running from users who have long since logged off... some of the prcesses are gobbling 100% CPU time on one of the thin server cores...
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<lab30>
We also have an issue whereby the thin server has a number of "gnome-session" processes running from users who have long since logged off... some of the prcesses are gobbling 100% CPU time on one of the thin server cores... we kill the processes but they reappear after a few days.
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