IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 June 2015   (all times are UTC)

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08:32
<quinox>
hello. halfgaar taking over from quinox.
08:33
question, my initramfs propmt errors saying it can't mount overlayfs on /root, and then it can't mount /dev, /sys and /proc on /root/{dev,sys/proc}
08:33
<Hyperbyte>
Hey, halfgaar. Where abouts are you? Close to Rotterdam by any chance?
08:33
<quinox>
I'm assuming the latter is because the former fails?
08:33
Groningen
08:33
<Hyperbyte>
Oe, dat is een beetje te ver weg. :-)
08:33
<quinox>
:)
08:34
<Hyperbyte>
Can you give me ssh access to the server so I can take a look? It's a bit easier.
08:36
<quinox>
Well, I'm a bit reluctant to do that. Would you be able to do anything useful? It's the client that's erroring
08:38
<alkisg>
quinox: what distro/version?
08:38
Hyperbyte: vnc or screen are easier for the person being helped as it allows him to view what you're doing :)
08:38
!socat
08:38
<ltsp`>
socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500; apt-get install socat; socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] apt-get install socat screen; socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:REMOTE-IP:5500 & screen -l -S ra
08:38
<alkisg>
!vnc-dide
08:38
<ltsp`>
vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
08:38
<alkisg>
...things like that :)
08:38
<quinox>
We just upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 ubuntu
08:38
<alkisg>
Errr LTSP is badly maintained in Ubuntu
08:39
Especially on non-LTS versions
08:39
<quinox>
Hmm
08:39
VNC we could do, but I wish I could show you my client initramfs
08:39
<alkisg>
It doesn't matter much, usually the server is to blame there
08:40
Do run the vnc command above ^
08:40
<quinox>
hang on
08:41
wait; the server is not running X11 and I logged into it with Putty
08:41
(putty on windows) Teamviewer perhaps?
08:41
<alkisg>
....ok
08:42
PM me
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08:54
<alkisg>
quinox: you haven't specified rootpat
08:54
rootpath
08:54
It's used for the nbd image selection
08:55
<quinox>
where does one set root path?
08:55
<alkisg>
In your dhcp server
08:55
You've set filename there, but not rootpath=/opt/ltsp/amd64
08:55
<quinox>
hang on, let's see how it's configured
08:56
<alkisg>
Also, what does the client mention with/without nbdroot, ipappend 3 etc?
08:56
Finally, you've mixed /srv/tftp and /var/lib/tftpboot, select and use one of them, the default for ubuntu is /var/lib/tftpboot
08:57
quinox: you want something like: dhcp-option=17,/opt/ltsp/amd64
08:58
<quinox>
Did anything change in the rootpath? It worked before
08:58
currently, the image boots and I can see the image in /root/rofs
08:58
it just doesn't chroot into it and run init-ltsp
08:58
<alkisg>
There were some changes about it over time, I don't know what "before" would mean in this context :)
08:58
<quinox>
Ubuntu 14.10 :)
08:59
I can change it. Let's try
08:59
<alkisg>
Yes but I'm not using the stock ubuntu it's too broken so I don't know what ltsp code 14.10 has
08:59
The "doesn't chroot" doesn't help, it probably means that it didn't connect to the nbd server at all
08:59
The error would be above that
09:00
!nbd-client
09:00
<ltsp`>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
09:00
<quinox>
if I do mount I can see the /dev/ndb0 mount on /root/rofs
09:00
I can see it all
09:00
<alkisg>
But what's ROOTSERVER and ROOTPATH in /run/net-eth0.conf on the client?
09:00
(or in /tmp/net-eth0.conf, depending on the version...)
09:01
<quinox>
it's a dead symlink to /run/net-eth0.conf
09:02
<alkisg>
Can you add break=mount in the cmdline?
09:02
<quinox>
kernel parameter?
09:02
<alkisg>
Yes
09:02
<quinox>
ok
09:02
what config again :)?
09:03
<alkisg>
Wait a bit... I'm thinking,
09:03
it might be related to the overlayfs issue of ubuntu 15.xx
09:03
In kernel 3.18+, the overlayfs filesystem is now upstream in the kernel
09:03
<quinox>
I just added the break to the defaults.cfg
09:04
<alkisg>
And you do have 3.18+
09:04
<quinox>
3.19
09:04
<alkisg>
So, there, overlayfs needs a "workdir=" parameter, which ubuntu ltsp doesn't have
09:04
<quinox>
it does also say no updir, workdir or somethingdir
09:04
<alkisg>
It was added in the debian jessie version of ltsp, but the ubuntu maintainer hasn't synced with the debian version
09:04
OK, then forget all the rest, that's the main issue
09:05
<quinox>
so what's my workdir :)?
09:05
<alkisg>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2639
09:05
You need to manually apply that ^
09:05
...until stgraber accepts that he no longer has time to maintain ltsp, and just lets it sync with debian :-/
09:07
<quinox>
where is that client/Debian/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/ltsp on the server?
09:07
<alkisg>
It's <chroot>/usr/share/initramfs-tools ...bla bla
09:09
!overlayfs
09:09
<ltsp`>
overlayfs: modprobe overlayfs; mount -t overlayfs -o upperdir=/cow,lowerdir=/rofs overlayfs /root
09:09
<alkisg>
!forget overlayfs
09:09
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
09:10
<alkisg>
!learn overlayfs as Overlayfs was mainlined in Linux 3.18+, so this (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2639) LTSP commit is required, but missing from some distributions like e.g. Ubuntu 15.xx.
09:10
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
09:12
<quinox>
running ltsp-update-image
09:12
<alkisg>
quinox: in general, Ubuntu LTS versions with the Greek schools ppa are much better maintained (by me :)) than the Ubuntu's LTSP version
09:12
!greek-ppa
09:12
<ltsp`>
Error: "greek-ppa" is not a valid command.
09:12
<alkisg>
!greek-schools-ppa
09:12
<ltsp`>
greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
09:12
<quinox>
ok, that's worth looking into.
09:12
This server is usually on the newest ubuntu, though
09:13
<alkisg>
You can have a chroot with 14.04 and the utopic backported kernel
09:13
If you want stock Ubuntu LTSP, expect such breakage.. :)
09:13
<quinox>
Is there any indiciation Ubuntu will maintain LTSP better?
09:13
in the future?
09:14
<alkisg>
Yes, I think that when stgraber has some free time he'll just let vagrantc and me maintain LTSP in debian and just sync from there like all other packages do
09:14
It's just a matter of him dropping the ubuntu .diff
09:14
(which is old and does not apply anymore)
09:16
<quinox>
can we easily drop-in-replace LTSP from the PPA on this server?
09:16
or do we need to clean everything up?
09:16
<alkisg>
That PPA only supports LTS versions of Ubuntu, I rarely publish packages for non-LTS versions
09:16
For LTS versions, it's a drop-in addition
09:16
<quinox>
ok
09:16* alkisg closes teamviewer btw...
09:17
<quinox>
rebooting client
09:18
the error looks different, but it still says: overlayfs: missing upperdir or lowerdir or workdir
09:18
let's see if I messed up the patching
09:18
<alkisg>
You don't need ltsp-update-image, just ltsp-update-kernels *inside* and outside the chroot
09:19
sudo ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels; sudo ltsp-update-kernels
09:20
(those scripts end up in the initramfs, not in the nbd image)
09:21
<quinox>
ok
09:22
I have UNION_OPTS="upperdir=/cow/up,lowerdir=/rofs,workdir=/cow/work"
09:22
but rofs is in /root/rofs
09:22
change that?
09:23
tryin
09:24
still the error about missing upperdir, lowerdir or workdir
09:24
# /cow is empty in the initramfs
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09:29
<stgraber>
alkisg: just did a quick merge, remaining Ubuntu delta is http://paste.ubuntu.com/11645122/
09:37
<alkisg>
stgraber: so if we merge that with vagrantc's /debian dir, we can drop the ubuntu .diff?
09:37
Also, are those fonts really necessary just for ldm?
09:38
<quinox>
alkisg: the ltsp script the patched needed me to change is not present in image I boot
09:38
the updating kernels didn't work?
09:39
<stgraber>
alkisg: yeah, though I'm not sure how much sense it makes to merge the Edubuntu stuff in Debian
09:40
<alkisg>
stgraber: we can put it somewhere in some conditional, even at deb build time
09:40
<stgraber>
alkisg: for the fonts, I know we needed quite a few to be able to properly render the prompt in Chinese at least. Looks like the one that changed name in Ubuntu is to support some Indian dialect
09:41
but yeah, our delta was actually very minimal. AFAICT none of the patches are required at this point and the udeb changes can be dropped since we no longer ship LTSP on any non-live media
09:41
<alkisg>
Cool, I think vagrantc does use udeb so he can use his own version there
09:42
<stgraber>
yeah, we had some extra changes in Ubuntu to support building fat client chroots and some other stuff. I sent vagrantc that diff a few times but he never included it in Debian.
09:42
<alkisg>
He's looking to integrate ltsp-pnp support at the udeb
09:42
I.e. create a chroot immediately after the installation
09:43
(by mirroring the server /)
09:43
About the "weird" fonts, I would prefer not to have them installed in e.g. all Greek schools, so if we could find another way....
09:44
E.g. put them in the edubuntu seeds or create a wiki page...
09:44
ubuntu-desktop does include fonts for those that use fat chroots, which should be the most common case nowadays
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09:50
<alkisg>
quinox: (sorry I got busy) - if you didn't manage the patch, I think I also have updated packages for 15.xx in my own ppa, ppa:alkisg
09:50
You could download the packages from there...
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09:52
<quinox>
I don't understand why initramfs's are not rebuilding. They keep appearing in my dirs with an mtime of this morning
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09:55
<quinox>
oh, just update-initramfs -u in chroot
09:56
<AcidRain>
hey i was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction on how to fix an error i am getting when i do ltsp-build-client it keeps saying E: Couldn't download packages: bash libbz2-1.0 error: LTSP cient installation ended abnormally
10:07
i have tried multiple times and it still fails
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10:08
<quinox>
it works, kind of. Now other things to fix. Known things
10:08
<alkisg>
AcidRain: try to chroot in the badly created chroot and then to install the package that it says
10:09
Check why that won't work, e.g. resolv.conf could be bad
10:09
<AcidRain>
ummm what?
10:09
<alkisg>
sudo ltsp-chroot
10:09
apt-get install libbz2-1.0
10:10
<AcidRain>
ok
10:11
chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
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11:30
<quinox>
work_alkisg: we got it up and running. Thanks for the help :)
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11:47
<quinox>
mmm, now I first get to see some strange DM (sddm? gdm?), when I shut that one down I get to see the right LDM
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12:50
<quinox>
for now I replaced smmd and lightdm with ldm binary :D
12:53
or maybe it was my change to /etc/X11/default-display-manager
12:53
anyway, thanks a lot !
12:55
<work_alkisg>
quinox: you shouldn't have any other DMs in the chroot... at least if you didn't install it on purpose
12:56
True, LDM only takes over if there are no display managers defined in that file
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16:18
<FrenchyMan>
hello !
16:20
is it possible to add on LOCAL APP (on thin client) Java 7 jdk and jre ? (it's for minecraft)
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17:16
<vagrantc>
stgraber: thanks for syncing ubuntu ltsp, i've committed two of your changes to my branch, the only thing remaining is the edubuntu change...
17:17
and even that looks feasible to merge, i guess.
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22:12
<AcidRain>
hey i was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction on how to fix an error i am getting when i do ltsp-build-client it keeps saying E: Couldn't download packages: bash libbz2-1.0 error: LTSP cient installation ended abnormally
22:12
i tried ltsp-chroot and got this chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
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<vagrantc>
AcidRain: intermittant network failures?
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AcidRain: what distro?
22:34
<AcidRain>
debian 7
22:35
and no failures, i did ti multiple times and it failed withthose 2 files
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<vagrantc>
AcidRain: behind a proxy or something?
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AcidRain: using --copysourceslist or --copypackageslists or what arguments?
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<AcidRain>
all i did was ltsp-build-client
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<vagrantc>
apt-cache policy libbz2-1.0 ?
23:19
what versions do you have available?
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<AcidRain>
vagrantc, Installed: 1.0.6-4
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Candidate: 1.0.6-4
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<vagrantc>
AcidRain: what mirror is it downloading from? try a different mirror?