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Channel log from 4 September 2014   (all times are UTC)

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00:40
<bennabiy>
alkisg, vagrantc: Updated the code, pull a new copy and I think you will like the changes better. It basically pulls the bare minimums lp:~bennabiy/ltsp/lm17
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00:52
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: let me know if you see any problems with it... I am going to bed!
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01:38
<_JuJuBee>
When is the best time to find alksig online?
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03:16
<mmetzger>
Where can I specify which NBD server to load the boot image from, the pxelinux.cfg options?
03:30
scratch - found it.
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08:24
<alkisg>
ogra_: hello! could you recommend a tablet, about 10", for ubuntu?
08:25
<ogra_>
alkisg, the only one we have images for is the N10 ... but tablet isnt the focus this cycle and the 10" is particulary bad maintained atm
08:26
(the nexus7 is very well usable though)
08:27
<alkisg>
Gotcha, thanks!
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12:20
<JuJuBee>
I used rsync to copy the contents of a fresh install on computer to my server. I ran update-kernels and keys and image. When I try to boot, I get message about cannot find vmlinuz-3.5.0-49-generic
12:20
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, check /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
12:20
The answer is in there. Especially compare the vmlinuz files in there with what's specific in pxelinux.cfg/default
12:21
*specified
12:21
(also, ltsp-update-kernels should fix any problems there I think)
12:21
<JuJuBee>
pxelinux.cfg/default has that kernel in it but the chroot is uing 3.13.0-35
12:21
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, did you forget to ltsp-update-image?
12:21
<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: amd64
12:21
Hyperbyte: I ran update-kernels
12:21
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, i386/amd64 procedures are same.
12:22
JuJuBee, you are using NBD, right?
12:22
<JuJuBee>
Ashamed to say I am not entirely sure.
12:22
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, which OS?
12:23
Ubuntu?
12:23
<JuJuBee>
I really haven't done anything with it for over a year.
12:23
Ubuntu
12:23
<Hyperbyte>
Then you're using NBD.
12:23
Run ltsp-update-image
12:23
THEN run ltsp-update-kernels
12:23
ltsp-update-kernels actually looks for the kernel inside the actual LTSP NBD image, not inside the chroot itself.
12:26
<JuJuBee>
So I ran update-image and THEN kernels and still same problem
12:26
Can I just update the pxelinux.cfg/default file to point to new kernels?
12:26
Hyperbyte: I am using fat client if that makes any diff
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12:43
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, yes, but everytime you rebuild image or run ltsp-update-kernels this problem will come back.
12:52
<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: why is it not updating correctly?
12:53
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, that is the question, yes. :)
13:13
<JuJuBee>
So I updated default in pxelinux.cfg and rebooted. I got the splash screen for Ubuntu and the login screen. It seems to be hanging after login with the powder blue background for ltsp. The mouse is a spinning wheel . Any thoughts?
13:20
So, what should be the correct way to change my image from a 12.04 to 14.04? Should I update the server and start from scratch by create image or is there a better way>?
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13:27
<JuJuBee>
Just a thought, should I have removed the image in /opt/ltsp/image before doing update image?
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14:47
<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: How can I start from scratch with a new image? I reset everything back to before I copied the chroot over and changed kernel in default but now when I try to login, i enter username and password and get sent back to login screen. I tested username and pass via ssh and both good.
14:48
My server is running 12.04 and I want to create a 14.04 image to boot for clients (fat)
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15:37
<JuJuBee>
Anyone willing to help someone in distress? I am unable to boot from ltsp server. I got login screen and entered my u & p and just spinning at the moment.
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16:03
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, hi.
16:03
!screen_02
16:03
<ltsp>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
16:03
<Hyperbyte>
Do that, and from that terminal type
16:03
ssh <username>@server
16:03
Replace <username> with your username, leave rest (including @server) intact.
16:04
What happens exactly? Can you log in? Does it ask you to confirm ssh key?
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16:23
<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: thanks, I had to work with a new group of students. So I CAN ssh to the server from the client
16:24
I have a feeling I forgot to install nfs-common in my client image before sending it to the server.
16:24
It might be hanging on the fstab directive to mount /home from a different server.
16:26
Hyperbyte: im going to install it and rsync the HD back up to the server and try again.
16:36
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, wait - debug first.
16:36
Don't just try random things.
16:36
If you want to know if /home is being mounted, that's easy
16:37
Go to !screen_02 and type ls -al /home/
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<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: Was busy with students. So I now have home mounted but still spinning after login
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17:34
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, check /var/log/auth.log on the server after failed login.
17:36
<JuJuBee>
http://pastebin.com/Emv8qjds
17:37
I can't say the login failed, it is just spinning now (mouse is a spinning wheel instead of pointer)
17:51
<ben_nabiy>
vagrantc: please pull the code again. I think it is much better for only the bare minimums for mint
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17:52
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: And those values I plugged in are straight from a fresh install of mint, before it even rebooted (fresh out of the installer)
17:52
anyways, off to mow. :)
17:57
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: i might not have a chance, getting ready to travel for a bit
17:57
bennabiy: but will see
17:57
bennabiy: not sure if alkisg or another committer might be able to review if i miss it
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18:26
<JuJuBee>
Hyperbyte: I have to go but I will leave my session open and check it in the morning. I am willing to just start from scratch, but I don;t know how to create a 14.04 image for clients on a server running 12.04
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19:12
<Hyperbyte>
JuJuBee, looks like it's all working. It's a bit strange that it does an sftp subsystem request though, as /home/ is mounted via NFS. Try -not- mounting /home/ via NFS, see what happens.
19:13
JuJuBee, otherwise, you can always do a fresh install of 14.04
19:13
Although upgrades -do- work, I upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04. Thin clients.
19:13
First upgraded the server, then clients. Although it worked fine with 14.04 server and 12.04 clients.
19:14
There were some issues associated with the upgrade though (mostly because of the new Gnome version and dconf changes, in my case)... good chance you won't run into these.
19:30
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: fair enough
19:30
Not sure who the other commiters are
19:31
I guess I should make an official merge request then.
19:31
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: alkisg's been one of the other active folks ... stgraber on occasion
19:36
<bennabiy>
yes, I was aware of him and you
19:36
I knew stgraber was ubuntu related
19:36
Have not had much luck in communicating with him in the past
19:37
vagrantc: I guess if it has to wait till you get back, my ppa is going to have the new code for those who want to use it
19:37
I still need to do more for fat client support, but for now, this works
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19:38
<bennabiy>
pesky bugs
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19:39
<gothaggis>
has anyone successfully deployed Google Chrome as a local app? (not chromium) - it starts on the thin client for me, but appears to 'minimize' and wont maximize or anything.
19:47
<||cw>
but chromium works ok?
19:48
what does chrome do that chromium doens't, other than add in user tracking code
19:48
<gothaggis>
haven't tried chromium yet
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20:01
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: that looks better, although i'm still not sure why you need the change to LATE_PACKAGES
20:01
bennabiy: is it just to prevent someone from shooting themselves in the foot?
20:01
<bennabiy>
somewhat
20:02
It is a hard thing to figure out what is going on
20:02
when trying to find out why the build does not fail, but all you end up with is ubuntu in the end
20:02
<vagrantc>
or is it because ubuntu already has LATE_PACKAGES set earlier in the process?
20:04
<bennabiy>
the point is someone is either defaulting to making it a mint chroot because someone is building from a mint server, or because someone went through the effort to make it a mint chroot by manually setting it. IF someone then decides to put custom packages in say ltsp-build-client.conf, they would override the "suggested" packages as default, and nullify the mint chroot
20:04
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: can't you test for MINT_DIST being empty instead of creating a new variable?
20:05
COPY_MINT_LIST ?
20:05
just use MINT_DIST instead?
20:06
<bennabiy>
just pushed it
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20:09
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: so it definitely doesn't work with LATE_PACKAGES the way it was before? software-gtk-properties ends up getting installed?
20:09
bennabiy: because the pinning should stop that from happening
20:10
<bennabiy>
yes, pinning does, but someone using the config file stops mint from working, and a regular user would not know why
20:10
because they are setting mint to install, but do not know the base packages to "make mint"
20:10
<gothaggis>
i tried Chromium as a local app (ubuntu 14.04) and it appears to be doing the same thing that Chrome did. I see that it is running but it won't maximize.
20:11
<bennabiy>
it still builds a chroot, but would not have anything mint, except the apt settings
20:11
it would only be ubuntu
20:11
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: if a user sets LATE_PACKAGES?
20:11
<bennabiy>
yes
20:11
in a config
20:11
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: how about a MINT_PACKAGES variable?
20:12
<bennabiy>
sure
20:12
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: and then add it to LATE_PACKAGES?
20:12
this is starting to look mergeable.
20:13
<bennabiy>
So what do you propose for MINT_PACKAGES?
20:13
<vagrantc>
MINT_PACKAGES=${MINT_PACKAGES:-" ... "}
20:13
LATE_PACKAGES="$LATE_PACKAGES $MINT_PACKAGES"
20:14
not 100% sure on this yet
20:14
but then you're not conflating late-packages with mint-specific stuff
20:14
that's how the kernel package stuff is implemented
20:14
it adds to late packages, rather than overwriting it
20:14
<bennabiy>
How is someone to know what mint packages they need, and which are just added ones?
20:14
Is that not what my code does?
20:15
<vagrantc>
it's essentially the same thing, yes, but this gives a little more ... clarity?
20:15* bennabiy shrugs...
20:15
<bennabiy>
your the boss
20:15
So add MINT_PACKAGES?
20:16
<vagrantc>
maybe i'm overengineering it...
20:16
<bennabiy>
for something that needs to go through a major code overhaul etc, maybe
20:17
If you commit it, and decide we need to do something different, I will push new code
20:17
I will keep this branch open for the sake of my ppa
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20:20
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: so, the two things are essentially unrelated ... the pinning/recommends stuff, and the late-packages?
20:20
<bennabiy>
yes
20:21
the pinning ensures the right dependencies
20:21
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: ok, i'll merge them as two separate commits.
20:21
<bennabiy>
well, they are related
20:21
the packages do not work without the pinnings
20:21
so they are related
20:21
sorry, I misunderstood you
20:21
<vagrantc>
but it would work with just the pinning/recommends ... you just want to force those packages to be installed
20:22
<bennabiy>
true.
20:22
That is the thing which fixes it to allow it to build
20:22
the other allows to build correctly :)
20:29
<vagrantc>
the other allows it to build correctly in the face of users adding random stuff without understanding
20:29
while disabling users from being able to actually not install selected bits.
20:29
i.e. is it possible to install a minimalist console-only mint install?
20:30
bennabiy: pushed as is.
20:30
well, i broke it into the two distinct commits
20:31
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: by nature, not really
20:32
<vagrantc>
i.e. there's no such thing as mint without a GUI?
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<bennabiy>
pretty much, except for localapps
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<vagrantc>
well, there's all those missing recommends! :)
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<bennabiy>
someone can install them if they want...
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:)
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<gbaman>
weird one with ltsp-chroot. When using
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sudo ltsp-chroot --arch armhf DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y sonic-pi
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I get an error chroot: failed to run command ‘DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y sonic-pi’: No such file or directory
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if I just use sudo ltsp-chroot --arch armhf
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<vagrantc>
gbaman: put the DEBIAN_FRONTEND after sudo
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ltsp-chroot doesn't know you want to set a variable
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<gbaman>
now I just get E: Unable to locate package sonic-pi
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<vagrantc>
so it tries to run the command "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" with the arguments "apt-get install -y sonic-pi"
20:42
<gbaman>
oh, wait
20:42* vagrantc waits
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<gbaman>
didnt work
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using
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sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive ltsp-chroot --arch armhf apt-get install -y sonic-pi
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if I split it up and ltsp-chroot into it, then run the apt-get install -y sonic-pi it is happy
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* then run the DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y sonic-pi
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wait..
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maybe not..
20:45* bennabiy waves
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<bennabiy>
Have a great trip, wherever you are going vagrantc. It has been nice working with you once again :)
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: thanks for working through my incomprehension of how mint works... :)
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<gbaman>
actually vagrantc that seems to be it..
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thanks :)
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<Kip>
I am having a problem with getting any user to log into ltsp client. Debian 7.6 mate 1.8
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<vagrantc>
so much for that
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<gbaman>
vagrantc: does LTSP have a way to get a list of connected users? Other than listing current connected SSH users?
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<vagrantc>
gbaman: nope
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<gbaman>
ssh users it is then, thanks
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