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Channel log from 12 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<oldwolf>
hi all, i have a Ubuntu 6.06 LTS server with LTSP 4.2 installed. After updated yesterday by official repository, the gdm login became stucked suddenly after typing in username and password, about 2-3 minutes, to completely login, can anyone help on it?
02:02
i suspected it was the Perl module i updated yesterday, i checked the process while the user logging in, it appeared like "/usr/bin/perl -w /usr/bin/ltspinfo -h ws013ltsp -c SOUND"
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<pmvalente_>
Hello my thin clients doens't boot it appears this message "Busybox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu7) Bulit-in Shell (ash) enter help for a list of commands (initramfs)" this happens after a edubuntu server update, does anybody tell me what to do to resolv this problem
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<val_>
hi anybody know about booting from win terminal server by ltsp?
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<tuukka>
hi! i'm using gutsy gibbon and my setup is as follows -> ldap user authentication from ms server 2003 (active directory). after login i have made a script that mounts couple of network shares etc. the problem is that i have no idea how to unmount shares on logout (i don't know any files that are run on logout)?? currently they are "left open" when user logs out. all help is hugely appreciated!
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<stgraber>
tuukka: You could use libpam-mount which should unmount at logout
06:46
I personally use kerberos for authentication then use the kerberos ticket with nautilus to use single-sign-on on the file server, so they simply have launcher pointing to smb://<server> on the desktop
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<sep>
tuukka, or autofs, it's mounted on use, and umounted after idletime
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<val_>
what means "Running /scripts/nfs-premount; nfsmount: need a path; retrying nfsmount"?
06:53
when i start ltsp client
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<tuukka>
hmm ... sorry, i try understand these things (= newbie to linux world) so it takes a while :) ... i have a shared folder called Personal on win box. Personal-share contains folders for all our students and for our staff ( i maintain a schools it stuff ) and i would still like to mount the shares based on username (ie Tuukka Peltoniemi only has folder tuukka.peltoniemi ) so could i use autofs to solve this thing??
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stgraber: where do i find (or what is) libpam-mount??
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<stgraber>
it's a package
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<tuukka>
okay ... and you think this could be used to solve my problem?! Huge thanks in advance -> i'll see into this
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<Sukar>
hi
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wondering if there is a way of connecting to an ltsp host using windows (mstsc)?
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<cliebow_>
Sukar: for me i run vnc thru inetd so you "could" go that route..
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<tuukka>
stgraber and sep: Thanks! These things got me on a right track ...
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<sonjag>
Good morning everyone! I'm wondering if the syslog or some other log maintains info on what specific users have done. If so, what log would that be and can I search it for just that user's actions? I'm looking for things like creating and deleting files, changing background, changing Firefox home page, etc. Thanks!
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<joebaker>
Morning Folks!
09:51
Does Edubuntu LTSP Gutsy come with support for mac thin clients booting off the network?
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<ogra>
yes, if the server is a mac as well
09:52
else you need to do some manual fiddling
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(you cant build teh client environment for ppc on x86 sadly)
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<cliebow_>
joebaker: i tarred up chrot and images and kernel and moved it to an i386 server..having trouble with the kernel which sems to only load part way..
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<joebaker>
Ogra. I see. Thanks for the update. But I do have a PPC upstairs in my daughter's room with Edubuntu on it.
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<joebaker>
So I could build the chroot environment on it, then maybe copy all that into /opt/ltsp/ppc/ just like /opt/ltsp/i386. Then that would work?
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<cliebow_>
ogra: this gets as far as "finished return from prom_init all is black after
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<cliebow_>
joebaker, i add a line to inetd to run nbd on 2001..and added in yaboot.conf
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append="quiet splash nbdport=2001"
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<cliebow_>
but still having problems
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<Gadi>
ogra: does ltsp-client-setup not configure_localdev anymore?
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<User_>
Could use some assistance in getting FLTK teacher tool to run or VNC troubleshooting
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<cliebow_>
Gadi: screen_07=shell give me a shell on ppc?
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<ogra>
Gadi, thtas set by ltsp_config depending on ltspfsd being installed
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<cliebow_>
so dang close..
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<User_>
Getting a connection refused (111) error and can't figure out why - firewall ports are open
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<Gadi>
ogra: nah, it seems the call toit is removed
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I see, because /var/run/drives is created by udev
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<ogra>
yeah, thats true, anything wrong with that ?
11:15
<Gadi>
naw, just confused me for a sec
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<cliebow_>
screen_07=shell?
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<ogra>
cliebow_, should give you a shell
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<cliebow_>
hmm..goes right by and tries x...
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<ogra>
CONFIGURE_X=false
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try that
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<Gadi>
ogra: anybody released a hack for unpartitioned local usb drives?
11:17
<ogra>
nope
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<cliebow_>
ok cool!
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<cliebow_>
dang..guess i need to enable root account and build over the image
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<cliebow_>
all i can see is something about badwindow flash by..
11:29
guess ill take it home and work on it...
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<cliebow_>
gdk warning..connection to display:6.0 appears to be untrusted.Pointer and keyboardgrabs on inter client communicationmay not work as expected.the program ldmgtkgreeter received anx window system error..The error was Bad Window Invalid Window Parameter..
11:52
details Serial 292 error code 3 request code 2 minbor code 0
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gotta run home..anyone have a comment bbiab
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<akSeya>
hi there!!
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<Sukar>
hi
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<akSeya>
i'm having some problems with the keyboard on thin clients..
12:39
they use ABNT2 keyboard
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i have already added XkbModel = ABNT2
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XkbLayout = br on my lts.conf
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<dan__t>
wow.
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hi.
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<dan__t>
yo warren
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<warren>
dan__t, hi
13:25
dan__t, still working on it, slow going
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dan__t, likely to do the majority of it during the christmas break
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<dan__t>
Just reading your notes.
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Please do not include pico.
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heh
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp - are you following that at all
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?
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<warren>
dan__t, yes, that stuff is obvious
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dan__t, the hard part is getting the necessary changes for mkinitrd accepted by the mkinitrd maintainer (political) and getting the upstream sources into suitable shape for cross-distro
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dan__t, I could do it all with quick one-off hacks but that helps nobody.
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<dan__t>
Just observing.
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Who is the maintainer?
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<warren>
dan__t, you really don't want to get into this.
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<dan__t>
haha.
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What's the problem? Is (s)he being an ass?
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<warren>
It amounts to that, yes.
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<dan__t>
Nice.
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Well, you are far beyond where i thought you were, sorry.
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<dan__t>
I just updated this FC6 LTSP machine
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<critola_>
problem: ltsp thin client boots fine, no errors, but local drives do not appear on server end. I followed a lot of howtos such as [wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev] and it checked out ok. I even modded the line at the bottom so I could mount my local drives to the server manually by passing '/var/run/drives' however I can't get it to happen automatically. Ubuntu 7.10, ltsp5 (or whatever is the newest for this distro). Any ideas?
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<critola_>
side note: running ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_[server IP] [username]@[server IP] "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/ add" works manually after logging in, though the floppy checks every 5secs :P
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<Gadi>
critola_: there is a bug in: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter
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the "ssh" line there lacks a "-X"
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<critola_>
*checking*
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<Gadi>
please add it in and run ltsp-update-image on the server
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also, on the server, the file /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter has a line that needs to be removed in which the DISPLAY env variable is hard set to localhost:10
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remove that line
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(otherwise only the first user will get removable media)
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<critola_>
thanks Gadi; rebuilding image...
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<cliebow_>
Gadi:did you see my earlier post re gtkldm greter and bad window?make any sense of it?
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<critola_>
At the end of ltsp-update-image, there is a message: "Info: port 2000 is already defined with /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in inetd.conf [newline] Info: taking no action"
14:11
Is this a concern?
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<Q-FUNK>
hm
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, http://www.x.org/wiki/UserPreferences create an account here
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Q-FUNK, I'm creating a new page at http://www.x.org/wiki/AMDGeodeDriver
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<Q-FUNK>
are you currently editing?
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, yeah
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Q-FUNK, does this driver support only GX and LX? (NX is something else?)
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: ok. please let me know when you've done your bit.
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NX is an entirely different beast
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NSC supports olders GX1
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<warren>
which X driver handles that?
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<Q-FUNK>
AMD supports Media GX (a.k.a. GX2) and LX (a.k.a. GX3)
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there once was a plan to merge -nsc and -amd into one driver called -geode
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, http://www.x.org/wiki/AMDGeodeDriver done
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Q-FUNK, go ahead and correct/add anything you want
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Q-FUNK, after you're done I'll add links to various other resources if you haven't already donen so
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<Q-FUNK>
done
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, Geode NX is which X driver?
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<Q-FUNK>
ah, wait
15:25
no known driver for it
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<warren>
oh
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: ok, fire away
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<Q-FUNK>
actually, Andres also is on OLPC team
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he knows the driver inside out, but currently lacks time
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I forgot to put that in
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re
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, does nsc have actual similarities in hardware to amd?
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<Q-FUNK>
yup
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amd bought the stuff from nsc, then further developed it
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<warren>
ah
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and NX is based on Athlon
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completely different
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http://www.x.org/wiki/AMDGeodeDriver updated again
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<Q-FUNK>
what was the trick to add a vcons login, again?
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<Q-FUNK>
I need to save a copy of the log and send that to Jordan at AMD. he's just reminded me to send him one.
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, you mean boot to shell instead of X?
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Q-FUNK, what do you need for AMD?
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Q-FUNK, please CC me in communications with Jordan if you're discussing the amd driver. I might be able to help get debug info and stuff.
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: the log will go directly to the geode list
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, ah
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Q-FUNK, where is the list?
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<Q-FUNK>
just a sec
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yes, shell login instead of X
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I need to manuall launch X and mail myself the log when it fails
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http://ldcmail.amd.com/mailman/listinfo/info-linux
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<warren>
hmm
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lookup fails on that domain name
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Q-FUNK, is that the correct URL? I can't lookup the name.
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: that's what appears in the mailing list's headers
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, maybe it isn't possible to subscribe anymore =)
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Q-FUNK, could you please ask him to subscribe me?
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<Q-FUNK>
posting address is info-linux@geode.amd.com
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looks like they changed the hostname
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<warren>
ahhh
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ok
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damn, geode.amd.com doesn't have a A record either
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Q-FUNK, if they have external people subscribed to their lists, they must not realize that they can't access mailman's web anymore =)
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<Q-FUNK>
try sending a mail to subscribe-info-linux@geode.amd.com
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<warren>
sent...
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, that didn't work
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bounced back
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<Q-FUNK>
hm
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replace "subscribe" with "join"
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<warren_>
Q-FUNK, that bounced as well.
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<Q-FUNK>
hm
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really odd
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<warren_>
Q-FUNK, their MTA bounces with "user unknown" messages
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: jordan suggests mailing him directly to be added, if all else fails
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, what is his e-mail?
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<Q-FUNK>
ah, nvm. i just pasted him your red hat address
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you're subscribed
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<warren>
thanks
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hmm... no subscribe notification mail
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Q-FUNK, what is the post address?
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<Q-FUNK>
info-linux@geode.amd.com
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: btw, you should talk to Gadi when he's here. he's also got someone working on this.
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, we really have to talk about this stuff on public lists with public archives and centralize findings on that wiki
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<Q-FUNK>
agreed
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the geode list is best for that, because we can collect feedback from different distros and debug this together
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<warren>
It isn't public
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at all
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their mailman server is hidden on their intranet
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<Q-FUNK>
I just sent a emssage to the list now. if your subscribtion worked, you should see it in a few minutes.
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<rklassen>
can anyone tell me if there is a configuration for plugging in storage or camera devices to thin client ports and making them available to the end user?
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<sutula>
rklassen: storage, yes...don't know about cameras
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<mcfloppy_>
n8
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<lns>
if cameras are in "storage" mode (i.e. acting as a usb storage device) it should be the same
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<rklassen>
ok. just found a web page on it... interesting... Thanks.
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<warren>
sigh. x.org's list is missing X-BeenThere or other headers to filter
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Has anyone already implemented code to check if an ethernet interface already has DHCP on a network, so somebody setting up LTSP can be warned NOT to run DHCP server on that interface?
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<ogra>
warren, awesome idea, no nobody has ...
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<warren>
If you make it easy for someone to create a LTSP server, you probably want to warn them not to screw their network and some kneejerk bans Linux... =)
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<ogra>
indeed
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<ari_stress>
morning all :D
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