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TODO: man proc => adjust /proc/[X-pid]/oom_adj for X to be killed first in out-of-memory situations
Better yet, xatomwait could spawn each localapp with a high kill score, e.g. 10, and the ssh connection coud be marked with e.g. a 5 kill score - that should ensure that on out of memory conditions, localapps are killed first, then the user session (cleanly). That should leave the TC stable...
alkisg: sounds worth exploring for sure...
Hi vagrantc... heh, I think we could also have two tiny apps: notifier_slave, with the biggest kill score, and notifier_master, which would wait to see when notifier_slave is killed, and if it is, it would notify the user that he's running out of memory ;) (ok that's an overkill :D)
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Hello, looking for a starting place to solve some sound problems.
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Hello, I have here an old geode-based thin client (AXUS 200L?). This machine has a BIOS which does not allow PXE-boot, but it also has an IDE cable connector inside. I think about plugging in there a little DiskOnChip (32MB or something like that) and to boot from there. Is this possible?
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alibaba, yes, see gpxe
What is gpxe?
I am unsure if this AXUS Thin client supports PXE. Doesn't have the NIC to support PXE, too?
This Thin Client has a SuSE 5.0 based OS inside, the BIOS is very, very limited.
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I'd like to "refurbish" this client to become a little LTSP-KIWI client.
alibaba, install gpxe in the client, it provides pxe booting even if your nic does not support it
Sorry for my boring questions, but how do I install gpxe? ;)
check the gpxe documentation for that
(has nothing to do with ltsp)
Could you, please, point me to one? I stuck.
thats the offical gpxe wiki
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hi one question if i run LTSP can i open an terminalsession from windows machines like rdp to windows server?
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I've got a problem with ltsp
I've only 6 max users that can be connected in the same time
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g4tsu: And what happens if you try to have more than 6 log in?
pk find it
I was blacklisted
...I'm sorry? I don't understand.
g4tsu: Who or what blacklisted you?
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johnny: fyi, i just got a google summer of code student email me about porting dracut to gentoo
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is there anything special I have to do for clients to access a 2008 TS
I was using 2003 TS and everything was fine, converted those servers to 2008 TS and now sound is broken
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thunsucker: Yeah. Get rid of Microsoft products and use Linux. Worked for us here at Legal Aid :)
Other than that, don't know.
thunsucker: Gadi would probably be the one to know, if anyone.
sbalneav: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 58 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Gadi> but not to vt10
Looks like he's been busy lately.
Year end's a busy time for a lot of people.
He'll be gone for another week afaik
sbalneav: oh trust me I'm all for it
the answer is probably to udpate the chroot up to date
it has been updated in about 3 months
Probably a good place to start, regardless.
agreed, I'm going to make a new chroot and test from there, client doesn't want any updates pushed out
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anybody know why ltsp freezes at nfs: server not responding?
distro : slackware
ltsp 4.2 is dead yes
yeah, it smells already
i dunno where to get 5 for slackware
are there any bugs with running flash on a client? (not localapp)
trying to see how flash will work on these things and as soon as I load a youtube video things start locking up.. like not only is the video a little choppy.. but it takes forever to close out the window in firefox
additionally, I can see that nsplugin is creating more and more processes that are taking up like 100MB memory each
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good afternoon everyone
ltsp + slackware
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you would have to write ltsp5 for slackware amnesia
but the problem is probably that your nfs server is just generally not working?
can you mount it from some other pc?
let me try
i've never used nfs
so the whole thing is relatively new to me
root@paradigm:~# mount 192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp /blah root@paradigm:~# cd /blah
data/ i386/ ltsp-utils/ ltsp-utils-0.25-0.tgz pkg_cache/ tarballs/
am i supposed to export /opt/ltsp or /opt/ltsp/i386
cuz i switched to /opt/ltsp/i386 and it caused a kernel panic
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hrm. something is unconditionally setting the hostname in a way that it can't be changed later...
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Hello, can somebody, please, tell me what the absolute minimum requirements for LTSP are? I want to get an old "AXUS 200 Thin Client" running, I got meanwhile a working PXE boot , but I cannot get the KDE desktop. It boots, but doesn't fire up the X server.
alibaba: minimum requirements for LTSP will be *much* lower than minimum requirements for ltsp+kde
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Well, this "grat piece of hardware" doesn't accept more than 128MB RAM and has a geode cpu with 233 MHz. :)
Sufficient or not? (It is also possible that the grapgics simply is not working without tweaking).
alibaba: unforunately, software today generally requires more resources than that
alibaba: which geode? GX1?
alibaba: you might be able to get by with very limited use, but probably not with a full desktop environment such as KDE
I was afraid you'd say that. Is Geode the CPU or the chip besides of it?
alibaba: the CPU. The companion chip model would probably reveal also which CPU it's likely to be
alibaba: well, Geode is the whole architecture actually. I mean is it Geode GX1, Geode GX2 or Geode LX CPU :)
So the CPU is the "Geode"?
Does AXUS TC-2xxL say something to you?
alibaba: Geode is a whole architecture too. I'm asking which family CPU it is to know what graphics is in there
alibaba: and no, that doesn't tell me anything
alibaba: does it work if you put XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf? My clients are working fine with 64RAM + Gnome...
ah, the new hostname code in initramfs-tools sets /etc/hostname...
I could remove the CPU heatsink and see what it sais. The chip besides the CPU shows the following: Geode CS5530 / 25420-03 / J0013EAP / W5314AAH
ok, GX1 then I think, some kernel log will tell too
now what driver are you using
I also guess it is GX1 as this bos is surely >5 years old
looks like CS5530 is only for GX1 yeah
How can I find that out? Btw., this is kiwi-ltsp
I know nothing of ltsp really, plenty of geode though
you highlighted me with its mentioning ;)
Still good. :)
GX2 requires CS5535 it sees, so it's almost surely GX1, yes
what xorg driver are you trying to use
Hmm - I use a very default setup.
alibaba: there is a channel for kiwi-ltsp
only very few people inside...
where are this individual configs located in the tftp derver?
alibaba: cyberorg is one of the kiwi-ltsp developers...
alibaba: typically you might have more luck with vesa driver than a geode driver (nsc or cyrix; xf86-video-geode does not support GX1 at the moment) on a GX1
thank you very, very much.
Booting stops even with XSERVER=vesa with a blinking cursor in upperleft corner... :(
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ok, just tested current trunk, it works perfectly here !
going to tag it in the next 2 hours
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so I followed the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox and when I run ltsp-localapps firefox I can't surf
so I brought up a localxterm and ping google.com.. it resolves but no response... seems like a weird routing issue
I realize this probably isn't an LTSP issue but am scratching my head nonetheless
output of route mightbe helpful
on the localxterm that is
abeehc_: I tried that, the output was 'command not found' ... odd ha
I did fix it as per this document https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT/
by enabling ipv4 NAT using sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
what about ifconfig
is your ltsp server the gateway? i'm not familiar with those setups
vbundi: you also need the MASQUARADE line , did you run that?
no the ltsp server isn't the gateway
vbundi: it should be, if the clients are on a separate subnet
alkisg: no I did not, I changed my /etc/sysctl.conf and ran the command mentioned before and 'it works now'
vbundi: erm, what's your network setup?
2 nic server, one facing the clients, the other one the internet?
alkisg: this is just for testing.. I have an ipcop gateway facing the net, the LTSP server and the clients are parallel behind that on a switch
So the LTSP server only has 1 nic?
Then you don't need to do any forwarding/NAT at all
yeah actually I'm kinda wondering now wtf
So undo that sysctl change...
I'm wondering why it even works because of that
you might need to do this i don't know https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocalAppsResolvConf
after running sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=0 --- I can no longer surf or ping google ect
Resolving, but not pinging?! That doesn't sound like a dns problem...
vbundi: what's the gateway for the clients?
alkisg: the ipcop
Are you sure?
alkisg: the resolv.conf points to my ipcop as well
OK, but does route -n show your ipcop?
in a ltsp-localapps xterm I can't run route btw
Or does it point to your ltsp server?
aw shit it's the ltsp server
So your dns server is OK and your gateway isn't :)
That explains everything...
I'm thinking my dhcp server isn't set up right
Put option-routers there
yea I see that it's pointing to my ltsp server
was just readin the man file to double check
thanks for the help ;)
another question for local xterm.. why can't I run sudo commands, the user I'm logged in under is in wheel
The password is not stored in /etc/shadow for safety reasons, so the user can't authenticate
oh, I think I remember you guys talking about that one day dealing with a screensaver or something
Right. You can get a root shell with SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, though
ah thats right
with local_apps_menu = true ... I was expecting some sort of gnome-panel menu
is there some hidden menu it's creating that I am not seeing?
It's not hidden; it replaces your menu entries with localapps on the fly
So firefox from the menu should run locally...
don't think it's doin that either... my titlebar doesn't say (ltspxx) up there
Can you upload your lts.conf? And, where did you put it/
better yet, try getltscfg -a from a local xterm
You don't need SOUND, LOCALDEV, LOCAL_APPS and LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS...
Try getltscfg -a from a local xterm to verify that they reach the client
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everything seems to be here
OK, next step
On the client, open a gnome terminal (not a local xterm)
Then, echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
That's not right... which OS is that?
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Try removing the lines that I said... especially the menu items one
Then reboot the client
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what's the easiest way to manage using dchp for both ltsp and netboot installs? two separate physical servers, and have the netboot dhcp pass off certain MACs to ltsp?
A pxelinux menu?
With ltsp==the default option, and netboot=the second option?
I was hoping certain clients would automatically use ltsp, while others/unknown would be given options
Sure, you can do that if you specify the mac addresses...
alkisg: so I can just do this with only one dhcp server provided by ltsp?
alkisg: cool so now I've got /tmp/ltsp-localapps-ltspadmin-SIbMUb/:/usr/local/share:/usr/share/
and my firefox from the menu launches local firefox now
vbundi: so it might be a spacing related bug with menu_items
If you have the time, pinpoint it, and file a bug...
is flash an option with local firefox?
Yes, lots of people are using local firefox+flash...
thanks alkisg for the info
alkisg: cool so I'm not getting sound now though now since we removed SOUND=Y
? Sound by default is true
my system begs to differ?
wait... my lsmod shows snd modules are loaded
hmm weird so I had to go in and choose my device in the sound mixer app
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alkisg: I tried uncommenting those lines I had and I couldn't get that path problem to happen again so I won't be filing a bug I guess
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vbundi: Error: "documentation" is not a valid command.
vbundi: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
alkisg: I'm trying to set a screen to be rdesktop.. I"ve got.. screen_06 = 'rdesktop -a 16 -f 192.168.1.250'
don't see it in the documentation now
The rdesktop screen script is mentioned in the docs, but I suppose the parameters are not, as they're mentioned in man rdesktop...
RDP_OPTIONS=" -f -k common -x lan -E -N -r sound:local -r disk:cdrom=/var/run/drives/cdrom"
that's working for me currently
more or less
but more than less
ah cool thanks.. I remember there was an RDP_SERVER=xxxx line but it wasn't required as you could compact it into 1
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i don't think the options line is needed either really
seems to work though hehe
yeah I think you can compact it.. but that's cool
the cdrom line doesn't work sadly
and i'm still fighting the odd numlock key that stops working if the user rdp's to yet another machine
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wtf no sound in RDP
bah I"ll save it for tomorrow
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vbundi: start / run / tscc.msc
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I got my ltsp set up working for those who helped
it became a lot easier when I just put in a 2nd nic and stopped worring about the dhcpd.conf
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alright, tagging ltsp 5.2.1 and ldm 2.1.1 now
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how do i pull debug info from ltsp
when a client tries to connect to it
I just keep hanging at NFS server not responding still trying :[
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amnesia, how aobut checking your server logs..
check wherever the nfs logs are
and your daemon logs or general message logs..
your problem is probably not related to anything ltsp specific, unless you can't mount it from another pc
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it mounts fine over the network
I mount ip:/opt/ltsp /tmp
on another box
an cp the entire directory to the local drive
i cant find any logs pertaining to it :(
Mar 24 00:25:28 msu mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.70:936 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp)
If i hadn't exhausted everything I could possibly fathom, I wouldn't be asking for any known reasons as to WHY -- I'm just trying to figure out, if I can infact mount the NFS on the remote system copy the directory and all be well -- I can honestly say I have NO idea why it would be timing out on the client
At this point, I'd be happy to see any error besides this one
amnesia: what's the situation? looks like i missed the first part
NFS server not responding still trying
except, I know the NFS server is working
amnesia: is it trying to connect to the right ip address?
yea, I thought about that about 15 hours ago
i've definitely had my "NFS server not responding" issues in the past...
The company I work for wants to move to thinclients
I said something, now I gotta try to figure out how to make it work
i've had those sorts of issues crop up inexplicably when there was wierd routing issues, bad switches, nfs over udp instead of tcp, strange packet window sizes...
or a peppering of all of those and a few other oddities
well it just QUITS persion
it doesnt even say still trying more than once
but that is something to look at
nfs/2 dgram rpc/udp wait root /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd rpc.nfsd
nfs/2 stream rpc/tcp wait root /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd rpc.nfsd
amnesia: that sounds like the user server
amnesia: try nfs-kernel-server
this debian or ubuntu?
from reading ubuntu is pretty much done for you
so is debian
slackware seems to be the odd one out
yeah, every once in a while someone wanders in looking for LTSP on slackware
haha sorry :\
i've definitely seen those sorts of problems with the nfs-user-server ... switching to the kernel server often fixes the issue.
i will see
don't know what it's called on slackware
another 2 days of googling