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Channel log from 23 March 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
TODO: man proc => adjust /proc/[X-pid]/oom_adj for X to be killed first in out-of-memory situations
01:10
Better yet, xatomwait could spawn each localapp with a high kill score, e.g. 10, and the ssh connection coud be marked with e.g. a 5 kill score - that should ensure that on out of memory conditions, localapps are killed first, then the user session (cleanly). That should leave the TC stable...
01:14
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sounds worth exploring for sure...
01:17
<alkisg>
Hi vagrantc... heh, I think we could also have two tiny apps: notifier_slave, with the biggest kill score, and notifier_master, which would wait to see when notifier_slave is killed, and if it is, it would notify the user that he's running out of memory ;) (ok that's an overkill :D)
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07:15
<xuzhoujim>
Hello, looking for a starting place to solve some sound problems.
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07:31
<alibaba>
Hello, I have here an old geode-based thin client (AXUS 200L?). This machine has a BIOS which does not allow PXE-boot, but it also has an IDE cable connector inside. I think about plugging in there a little DiskOnChip (32MB or something like that) and to boot from there. Is this possible?
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<cyberorg>
alibaba, yes, see gpxe
07:49
<alibaba>
What is gpxe?
07:50
<Appiah>
tool
07:50
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPXE
07:51
<alibaba>
I am unsure if this AXUS Thin client supports PXE. Doesn't have the NIC to support PXE, too?
07:54
This Thin Client has a SuSE 5.0 based OS inside, the BIOS is very, very limited.
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<alibaba>
I'd like to "refurbish" this client to become a little LTSP-KIWI client.
07:57
<cyberorg>
alibaba, install gpxe in the client, it provides pxe booting even if your nic does not support it
07:59
<alibaba>
Sorry for my boring questions, but how do I install gpxe? ;)
08:02
<Appiah>
check the gpxe documentation for that
08:03
(has nothing to do with ltsp)
08:03
http://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php
08:03
<alibaba>
Could you, please, point me to one? I stuck.
08:03
<Appiah>
thats the offical gpxe wiki
08:03
<alibaba>
Ah, thanks.
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<cybastl>
hi one question if i run LTSP can i open an terminalsession from windows machines like rdp to windows server?
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<g4tsu>
hi
08:41
I've got a problem with ltsp
08:42
I've only 6 max users that can be connected in the same time
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<sbalneav>
g4tsu: And what happens if you try to have more than 6 log in?
08:43
<g4tsu>
pk find it
08:43
ok*
08:44
I was blacklisted
08:44
^^'
08:45
<sbalneav>
...I'm sorry? I don't understand.
08:49
g4tsu: Who or what blacklisted you?
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<dberkholz>
johnny: fyi, i just got a google summer of code student email me about porting dracut to gentoo
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<thunsucker>
is there anything special I have to do for clients to access a 2008 TS
09:28
I was using 2003 TS and everything was fine, converted those servers to 2008 TS and now sound is broken
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<sbalneav>
thunsucker: Yeah. Get rid of Microsoft products and use Linux. Worked for us here at Legal Aid :)
09:45
Other than that, don't know.
09:46
thunsucker: Gadi would probably be the one to know, if anyone.
09:46
!seen gadi
09:46
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 58 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Gadi> but not to vt10
09:46
<sbalneav>
Looks like he's been busy lately.
09:46
Year end's a busy time for a lot of people.
09:47
<alkisg>
He'll be gone for another week afaik
09:48
<thunsucker>
sbalneav: oh trust me I'm all for it
09:48
the answer is probably to udpate the chroot up to date
09:48
it has been updated in about 3 months
09:49
<sbalneav>
Probably a good place to start, regardless.
09:49
<thunsucker>
agreed, I'm going to make a new chroot and test from there, client doesn't want any updates pushed out
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<amnesia>
anybody know why ltsp freezes at nfs: server not responding?
11:46
4.2
11:46
distro : slackware
11:56
heh dead?
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<johnny>
ltsp 4.2 is dead yes
12:01
<amnesia>
4.2 dead?
12:01
<ogra>
yeah, it smells already
12:01
<amnesia>
i dunno where to get 5 for slackware
12:04
alright
12:19
<vbundi>
are there any bugs with running flash on a client? (not localapp)
12:19
trying to see how flash will work on these things and as soon as I load a youtube video things start locking up.. like not only is the video a little choppy.. but it takes forever to close out the window in firefox
12:20
additionally, I can see that nsplugin is creating more and more processes that are taking up like 100MB memory each
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<mgariepy>
good afternoon everyone
12:21
<amnesia>
hi
12:22
ltsp + slackware
12:22
?
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<johnny>
you would have to write ltsp5 for slackware amnesia
12:23
but the problem is probably that your nfs server is just generally not working?
12:23
can you mount it from some other pc?
12:23
<amnesia>
hmm
12:23
let me try
12:24
i've never used nfs
12:24
so the whole thing is relatively new to me
12:27
yea
12:27
it mounted
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root@paradigm:~# mount 192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp /blah root@paradigm:~# cd /blah
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root@paradigm:/blah# ls
12:28
data/ i386/ ltsp-utils/ ltsp-utils-0.25-0.tgz pkg_cache/ tarballs/
12:28
root@paradigm:/blah#
12:29
am i supposed to export /opt/ltsp or /opt/ltsp/i386
12:29
cuz i switched to /opt/ltsp/i386 and it caused a kernel panic
12:29
lol
12:35
./opt/ltsp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
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./etc/exports
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<vagrantc>
hrm. something is unconditionally setting the hostname in a way that it can't be changed later...
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<alibaba>
Hello, can somebody, please, tell me what the absolute minimum requirements for LTSP are? I want to get an old "AXUS 200 Thin Client" running, I got meanwhile a working PXE boot , but I cannot get the KDE desktop. It boots, but doesn't fire up the X server.
13:31
<Lns>
alibaba: minimum requirements for LTSP will be *much* lower than minimum requirements for ltsp+kde
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<alibaba>
Well, this "grat piece of hardware" doesn't accept more than 128MB RAM and has a geode cpu with 233 MHz. :)
13:33
Sufficient or not? (It is also possible that the grapgics simply is not working without tweaking).
13:33
<vagrantc>
alibaba: unforunately, software today generally requires more resources than that
13:33
<leio>
alibaba: which geode? GX1?
13:34
<vagrantc>
alibaba: you might be able to get by with very limited use, but probably not with a full desktop environment such as KDE
13:34
<alibaba>
I was afraid you'd say that. Is Geode the CPU or the chip besides of it?
13:35
<leio>
alibaba: the CPU. The companion chip model would probably reveal also which CPU it's likely to be
13:35
alibaba: well, Geode is the whole architecture actually. I mean is it Geode GX1, Geode GX2 or Geode LX CPU :)
13:35
<alibaba>
So the CPU is the "Geode"?
13:36
Does AXUS TC-2xxL say something to you?
13:36
<leio>
alibaba: Geode is a whole architecture too. I'm asking which family CPU it is to know what graphics is in there
13:37
alibaba: and no, that doesn't tell me anything
13:39
<alkisg>
alibaba: does it work if you put XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf? My clients are working fine with 64RAM + Gnome...
13:39
<vagrantc>
ah, the new hostname code in initramfs-tools sets /etc/hostname...
13:40
<alibaba>
I could remove the CPU heatsink and see what it sais. The chip besides the CPU shows the following: Geode CS5530 / 25420-03 / J0013EAP / W5314AAH
13:40
<leio>
ok, GX1 then I think, some kernel log will tell too
13:40
now what driver are you using
13:41
<alibaba>
I also guess it is GX1 as this bos is surely >5 years old
13:41
<leio>
looks like CS5530 is only for GX1 yeah
13:41
<alibaba>
How can I find that out? Btw., this is kiwi-ltsp
13:41
<leio>
I know nothing of ltsp really, plenty of geode though
13:42
you highlighted me with its mentioning ;)
13:42
<alibaba>
Still good. :)
13:42
<leio>
GX2 requires CS5535 it sees, so it's almost surely GX1, yes
13:42
what xorg driver are you trying to use
13:42
s/sees/seems
13:43
<alibaba>
Hmm - I use a very default setup.
13:45
<vagrantc>
alibaba: there is a channel for kiwi-ltsp
13:46
<alibaba>
only very few people inside...
13:46
where are this individual configs located in the tftp derver?
13:48
<vagrantc>
alibaba: cyberorg is one of the kiwi-ltsp developers...
13:54
<leio>
alibaba: typically you might have more luck with vesa driver than a geode driver (nsc or cyrix; xf86-video-geode does not support GX1 at the moment) on a GX1
13:55
<alibaba>
thank you very, very much.
13:58
Booting stops even with XSERVER=vesa with a blinking cursor in upperleft corner... :(
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<stgraber>
ok, just tested current trunk, it works perfectly here !
14:11
going to tag it in the next 2 hours
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<vbundi>
so I followed the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox and when I run ltsp-localapps firefox I can't surf
14:17
so I brought up a localxterm and ping google.com.. it resolves but no response... seems like a weird routing issue
14:18
I realize this probably isn't an LTSP issue but am scratching my head nonetheless
14:19
<abeehc_>
output of route mightbe helpful
14:20
on the localxterm that is
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<vbundi>
abeehc_: I tried that, the output was 'command not found' ... odd ha
14:24
I did fix it as per this document https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT/
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<abeehc_>
hehe
14:24
<vbundi>
by enabling ipv4 NAT using sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
14:24
<abeehc_>
what about ifconfig
14:25
is your ltsp server the gateway? i'm not familiar with those setups
14:25
<alkisg>
vbundi: you also need the MASQUARADE line , did you run that?
14:25
<vbundi>
no the ltsp server isn't the gateway
14:26
<alkisg>
vbundi: it should be, if the clients are on a separate subnet
14:27
<vbundi>
alkisg: no I did not, I changed my /etc/sysctl.conf and ran the command mentioned before and 'it works now'
14:27
<alkisg>
vbundi: erm, what's your network setup?
14:27
2 nic server, one facing the clients, the other one the internet?
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<vbundi>
alkisg: this is just for testing.. I have an ipcop gateway facing the net, the LTSP server and the clients are parallel behind that on a switch
14:28
<alkisg>
So the LTSP server only has 1 nic?
14:29
Then you don't need to do any forwarding/NAT at all
14:29
<vbundi>
yes
14:29
yeah actually I'm kinda wondering now wtf
14:29
<alkisg>
So undo that sysctl change...
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<vbundi>
I'm wondering why it even works because of that
14:29
<abeehc_>
hehe
14:29
you might need to do this i don't know https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocalAppsResolvConf
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<vbundi>
after running sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=0 --- I can no longer surf or ping google ect
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<alkisg>
Resolving, but not pinging?! That doesn't sound like a dns problem...
14:31
vbundi: what's the gateway for the clients?
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route -n
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<vbundi>
alkisg: the ipcop
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<alkisg>
Are you sure?
14:32
<vbundi>
alkisg: the resolv.conf points to my ipcop as well
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<alkisg>
OK, but does route -n show your ipcop?
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<vbundi>
in a ltsp-localapps xterm I can't run route btw
14:33
<alkisg>
Or does it point to your ltsp server?
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/sbin/route -n
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<vbundi>
ohh
14:33
aw shit it's the ltsp server
14:33
<alkisg>
Right
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<vbundi>
you win
14:33
<alkisg>
So your dns server is OK and your gateway isn't :)
14:34
That explains everything...
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<vbundi>
I'm thinking my dhcp server isn't set up right
14:36
<alkisg>
Put option-routers there
14:36
<vbundi>
yea I see that it's pointing to my ltsp server
14:37
was just readin the man file to double check
14:37
thanks for the help ;)
14:37
<alkisg>
np
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<vbundi>
another question for local xterm.. why can't I run sudo commands, the user I'm logged in under is in wheel
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<alkisg>
The password is not stored in /etc/shadow for safety reasons, so the user can't authenticate
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<vbundi>
oh, I think I remember you guys talking about that one day dealing with a screensaver or something
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<alkisg>
Right. You can get a root shell with SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, though
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<vbundi>
ah thats right
14:43
with local_apps_menu = true ... I was expecting some sort of gnome-panel menu
14:46
is there some hidden menu it's creating that I am not seeing?
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<alkisg>
It's not hidden; it replaces your menu entries with localapps on the fly
14:48
So firefox from the menu should run locally...
14:50
<vbundi>
don't think it's doin that either... my titlebar doesn't say (ltspxx) up there
14:50
<alkisg>
Can you upload your lts.conf? And, where did you put it/
14:50
?
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<vbundi>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<alkisg>
better yet, try getltscfg -a from a local xterm
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<vbundi>
http://pastebin.com/xKTX7gUw
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<alkisg>
You don't need SOUND, LOCALDEV, LOCAL_APPS and LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS...
14:53
Try getltscfg -a from a local xterm to verify that they reach the client
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<vbundi>
ok
14:56
everything seems to be here
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<alkisg>
OK, next step
14:57
On the client, open a gnome terminal (not a local xterm)
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<vbundi>
k
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<alkisg>
Then, echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
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<vbundi>
/usr/share/gnome:/usr/local/share/:usr/share/
14:58
<alkisg>
That's not right... which OS is that?
14:58
<vbundi>
ubuntu 9.10
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<alkisg>
Try removing the lines that I said... especially the menu items one
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<vbundi>
ok
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<alkisg>
Then reboot the client
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<jimcooncat>
what's the easiest way to manage using dchp for both ltsp and netboot installs? two separate physical servers, and have the netboot dhcp pass off certain MACs to ltsp?
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<alkisg>
A pxelinux menu?
15:06
With ltsp==the default option, and netboot=the second option?
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<jimcooncat>
I was hoping certain clients would automatically use ltsp, while others/unknown would be given options
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<alkisg>
Sure, you can do that if you specify the mac addresses...
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<jimcooncat>
alkisg: so I can just do this with only one dhcp server provided by ltsp?
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<vbundi>
alkisg: cool so now I've got /tmp/ltsp-localapps-ltspadmin-SIbMUb/:/usr/local/share:/usr/share/
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<alkisg>
jimcooncat: sure
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<vbundi>
and my firefox from the menu launches local firefox now
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<alkisg>
vbundi: so it might be a spacing related bug with menu_items
15:09
If you have the time, pinpoint it, and file a bug...
15:09
<jimcooncat>
is flash an option with local firefox?
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<alkisg>
Yes, lots of people are using local firefox+flash...
15:10
<jimcooncat>
thanks alkisg for the info
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<vbundi>
alkisg: cool so I'm not getting sound now though now since we removed SOUND=Y
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<alkisg>
? Sound by default is true
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<vbundi>
my system begs to differ?
15:15
wait... my lsmod shows snd modules are loaded
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hmm weird so I had to go in and choose my device in the sound mixer app
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<vbundi>
alkisg: I tried uncommenting those lines I had and I couldn't get that path problem to happen again so I won't be filing a bug I guess
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<vbundi>
!documentation
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<ltspbot>
vbundi: Error: "documentation" is not a valid command.
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<vbundi>
!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
vbundi: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<alkisg>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<vbundi>
alkisg: I'm trying to set a screen to be rdesktop.. I"ve got.. screen_06 = 'rdesktop -a 16 -f 192.168.1.250'
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don't see it in the documentation now
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<alkisg>
The rdesktop screen script is mentioned in the docs, but I suppose the parameters are not, as they're mentioned in man rdesktop...
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<abeehc_>
SCREEN_07=rdesktop 192.168.xx.xx
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RDP_OPTIONS=" -f -k common -x lan -E -N -r sound:local -r disk:cdrom=/var/run/drives/cdrom"
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that's working for me currently
17:18
more or less
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but more than less
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<vbundi>
ah cool thanks.. I remember there was an RDP_SERVER=xxxx line but it wasn't required as you could compact it into 1
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<abeehc_>
i don't think the options line is needed either really
17:20
seems to work though hehe
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<vbundi>
yeah I think you can compact it.. but that's cool
17:21
<abeehc_>
the cdrom line doesn't work sadly
17:21
and i'm still fighting the odd numlock key that stops working if the user rdp's to yet another machine
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<vbundi>
lol
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thats nasty
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<abeehc_>
fun stuff
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<vbundi>
wtf no sound in RDP
17:31
bah I"ll save it for tomorrow
17:31
cya guys
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<abeehc_>
vbundi: start / run / tscc.msc
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<epequeno>
I got my ltsp set up working for those who helped
18:35
it became a lot easier when I just put in a 2nd nic and stopped worring about the dhcpd.conf
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<stgraber>
alright, tagging ltsp 5.2.1 and ldm 2.1.1 now
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<amnesia>
how do i pull debug info from ltsp
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when a client tries to connect to it
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I just keep hanging at NFS server not responding still trying :[
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<johnny>
amnesia, how aobut checking your server logs..
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first
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check wherever the nfs logs are
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and your daemon logs or general message logs..
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your problem is probably not related to anything ltsp specific, unless you can't mount it from another pc
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<amnesia>
it mounts fine over the network
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I mount ip:/opt/ltsp /tmp
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on another box
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an cp the entire directory to the local drive
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i cant find any logs pertaining to it :(
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Mar 24 00:25:28 msu mountd[19042]: authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.70:936 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp)
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If i hadn't exhausted everything I could possibly fathom, I wouldn't be asking for any known reasons as to WHY -- I'm just trying to figure out, if I can infact mount the NFS on the remote system copy the directory and all be well -- I can honestly say I have NO idea why it would be timing out on the client
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At this point, I'd be happy to see any error besides this one
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<vagrantc>
amnesia: what's the situation? looks like i missed the first part
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<amnesia>
NFS server not responding still trying
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except, I know the NFS server is working
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<vagrantc>
amnesia: is it trying to connect to the right ip address?
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<amnesia>
yea, I thought about that about 15 hours ago
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<vagrantc>
i've definitely had my "NFS server not responding" issues in the past...
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<amnesia>
The company I work for wants to move to thinclients
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I said something, now I gotta try to figure out how to make it work
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:(
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<vagrantc>
i've had those sorts of issues crop up inexplicably when there was wierd routing issues, bad switches, nfs over udp instead of tcp, strange packet window sizes...
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or a peppering of all of those and a few other oddities
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<amnesia>
well it just QUITS persion
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it doesnt even say still trying more than once
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but that is something to look at
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udp/tcp brb
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nfs/2 dgram rpc/udp wait root /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd rpc.nfsd
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nfs/2 stream rpc/tcp wait root /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd rpc.nfsd
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<vagrantc>
amnesia: that sounds like the user server
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amnesia: try nfs-kernel-server
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this debian or ubuntu?
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<amnesia>
slackware
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from reading ubuntu is pretty much done for you
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so is debian
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slackware seems to be the odd one out
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<vagrantc>
yeah, every once in a while someone wanders in looking for LTSP on slackware
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<amnesia>
haha sorry :\
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<vagrantc>
i've definitely seen those sorts of problems with the nfs-user-server ... switching to the kernel server often fixes the issue.
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<amnesia>
i will see
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<vagrantc>
don't know what it's called on slackware
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<amnesia>
me either
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lol
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another 2 days of googling