IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 13 April 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<ryudo19>
i need help wich nautilus bug :(
02:05
the nautilus process on my ltsp server consume 100%
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/150471
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ogra
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<ryudo19>
ogra
02:43
can you help me ? :D
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<ryudo19>
i need help
03:23
nautilus eating 100% of my ltsp server processor
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<moritz>
Hello
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<petre>
morning all
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<moritz>
morning
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<vagrantc>
ogra: any progress on the ltspfs with ldm issue?
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<warren>
k12linux meeting here in 5 minutes.
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<warren>
who is here for the k12linux meeting?
09:02* eharrison raises hand
09:02* petre also raises hand
09:03
<warren>
Is anyone successfully using LTSP on a Fedora 9 host?
09:03* EvilBob is here as a spectator
09:03
<warren>
I suspect something in Fedora 9 broke NFS root boot in the past week or two. I've been smashing my head against this for days with no luck.
09:04* petre is using f8 atm
09:04* Q-FUNK is just idling on the channel as usual - live from the HEL-TLL ferry
09:04
<eharrison>
I just installed on F9, but it looks like my thin client died this morning :-(
09:04
<beakburke>
here as a spectator for the moment, but has a test "server" and a client avaialble for use
09:05
<warren>
On fedora-devel-list someone else reported that a system upgraded from F8 to F9 has the same problem where their bootup gets stuck at a certain point
09:05
<Q-FUNK>
probably because LTSP now uses NBD by default
09:06
<warren>
Q-FUNK: shush please
09:06
Q-FUNK: we don't use that part at all.
09:07
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=188611&hide_resolved=1
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<Q-FUNK>
you don't, but then I wouldn't be surprised if the code for NFS support broke since the switch to NBD.
09:07
<warren>
Q-FUNK: no.
09:07
Q-FUNK: please stop making assumptions.
09:08
Q-FUNK: I've been doing it NFS-only ever since September and it's been working until the last week or so.
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<jammcq>
\me raises his hand too
09:08
<warren>
Q-FUNK: I bypass several of the upstream LTSP scripts currently
09:08
<Q-FUNK>
warren: it would be a good idea for you to stop acting like such a prima donna whenever someone proposes somethign you don't like-.
09:08
<warren>
Q-FUNK: thank you for the suggestion, but I am quite sure this is limited to a Fedora 9 problem.
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<Q-FUNK>
fine, then.
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<warren>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=188611&hide_resolved=1
09:09
OK, back to the tracker.
09:10
No real progress on any of this as I've been tied up stabilizing Fedora 9 proper lately.
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And this new problem booting the clients at all has been sucking a lot of my time.
09:10
No sense trying to fix anything else if I can't boot any client.
09:11
If any of you have a working Fedora 8 install, then you might want to work on those other problems
09:11
<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: i've made sure that NFS continues to work with upstream ltsp, as the instability of unionfs and squashfs inm debian has made it impossible to keep up.
09:11
<warren>
sound for example, lennart wrote some good advice of how to make sound work
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<vagrantc>
and NFS has some nice advantages over NBD.
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<Q-FUNK>
vagrantc: ok. good to know. here, I ended up re-installing my LTSP testbed with Hardy, since this is our main market, so I haven't been able to test the debian side of LTSP in ages.
09:13
<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: it's finally in a good state in both unstable and testing. migration has been stalled on numerous occasions due to slow buildd's
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: vagrantc and I are using different scripts in several places for this.
09:13
<Q-FUNK>
noted.
09:14
<warren>
OK, K12Linux people...
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For weeks I've been pointing you folks at exactly what needs help doing, especially easier tasks to get your feet wet.
09:14
I've had almost no contributions from non-me.
09:15
<Q-FUNK>
I've been trying to coherce our dev team to have separate debian, ubuntu and fedora test servers, just so that we can verify operation of our thincan on the main platforms. we also have a gentoo dev on-staff who volunteered to verify that one.
09:15
<warren>
What we have in Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 now is usable except not production ready because we're missing a few of the important features.
09:15
- no sound
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<Q-FUNK>
however, so far, the concensus has been that ubuntu is the main LTSP market.
09:15
<warren>
- non-PXE boot is broken
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- local devices are broken
09:15* Q-FUNK lets the k12 session continue and goes to the business longe's buffet...
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<warren>
I'm fighting against the bugs the best I can alone.
09:16
I will eventually get to those lower priority problems listed above.
09:16
but we wont have this in production ready shape soon unless other people get involved.
09:17
Anybody have any questions and comments?
09:17
Otherwise I need to get back to work
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(the F9 not booting at all bug)
09:17* eharrison has freed up some development time, will do my best to help out...
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<beakburke>
did you have a list of the "easy" stuff you gave out before
09:18
a link is fine
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<warren>
beakburke: http://wtogami.livejournal.com/24147.html
09:18
I guess this list has to be amended
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sound for example
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we will NOT ship it the way Ubuntu and everyone else uses it right now
09:19
Lennart explained exactly how to use pulseaudio with proper unique security keys
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so people on your network can't screw with the clients (playing sounds to scare someone or maybe listen on their microphone)
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<petre>
beakburke, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=188611&hide_resolved=1
09:20
<warren>
beakburke: one even easier case that would help out: try to install it, write down everything that confuses you and write to the list.
09:20
beakburke: help to improve the documentation
09:20* eharrison snagged an old laptop & is back in business ;-) I'm seeing the F9 nfs hang :-(
09:21
<warren>
eharrison: yeah, we're pretty hosed until we figure that out =(
09:21
eharrison: you could install a F8 chroot instead, it should work fine.
09:21
eharrison: blow away /opt/ltsp/i386 and use ltsp-build-client --release=8
09:21
<eharrison>
ok. I'll bang in the F9 a little first. Maybe I'll get lucky.
09:22
<petre>
warren, is that --release=8 documented anywhere?
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<warren>
petre: probably not in our wiki
09:22
petre: do you have a fedora account? I can grant you wiki edit access
09:22
eharrison: I tried earlier versions of kernel, mkinitrd and upstart, no luck.
09:23
eharrison: someone on fedora-devel-list reported that their upgraded plain laptop from F8 to F9 gets stuck at the same place. Makes me wonder if this is a missing package.
09:23
<petre>
yes, I got an account setup last week; will try to add to docs this afternoon
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<warren>
petre: does it let you edit the wiki?
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petre: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/SandBox try editing here
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<petre>
I'm in on https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
09:25
<warren>
eharrison: actually, I think I'll try a "Desktop" install into the ltsp chroot next, just to test that theory.
09:25
<eharrison>
warren: I commented out "setquiet" in the initrd & it dies at "unmounting old /sys", which is in switchroot
09:25* petre thinks he fixed a typo last week
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<warren>
eharrison: yeah I figured out that much.
09:26
eharrison: here's a trick: in pxelinux.cfg/default you can normally use init=/bin/bash to drop to a shell immediately
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eharrison: however that's broken for some reason
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eharrison: write a shell script /opt/ltsp/i386/test.sh
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eharrison: #!/bin/bash
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exec /bin/bash -l -i
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chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/test.sh
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<warren>
then init=/test.sh
09:27
<ogra>
warren, about the comments from lennart, sound wont be as easy as you think with what you want to achieve: there is no hal on a client (i doubt it will run on 64M clients and leave you rame for operation if dbus and friends are needed), the X display is nonexistent or can change at the point pulse starts atm (needs to move into teh session startup of ldm somehow for that to work), lennarts points about volume rstore are moot on a client (no per u
09:27
ser saving anyway), the native protocol loader was used by scotties localpps implementation
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<warren>
ogra: yeah, it wont be so easy to fix it.
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<ogra>
right
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<warren>
ogra: I may have to work on it myself.
09:28
<ogra>
it needs a good reimplementation but still needs to run on minimal ressources
09:28
i will work on it in intrepid if nobody did it by then
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<warren>
why is hal needed on the clent?
09:29
client?
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<ogra>
we need a hal implementation anyway on the cliet side ... i guess that needs a cut down patched hal
09:29
well, i'd like to get a dbus connection going properly between client and session at some point, the you can have access to the clietn hw though it
09:29
s/the/then/
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<ogra>
for ltspfs (not sure you know i'm working on a hal based solution since a while here)
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<warren>
the way lennart explained it we dono
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don't necessarily need hal
09:30
oh really? cool.
09:30
<ogra>
and as you can see for sound as well
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since its needed for proper input autoconfiguration, dynamic config etc
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imagine a client with builtin soundcard ... it would be the default ...
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<ogra>
now you want to use that client with asterisk in your call center
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and plug un a usb headset
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in that case hal would autoconfigure it for you
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hal is a major need in tsp imho but to heavyweitght yet ... we need to send it and its friends on a diet first :)
09:33
<warren>
beakburke: eharrison: petre: any more thoughts for today?
09:33
<beakburke>
nope, I'll get cracking on the F9beta install
09:33
<eharrison>
warren: I did a tcpdump & I'm not so sure this is a NFS problem - I can see it run through some of the init scripts.
09:33
<warren>
beakburke: eharrison: petre: if nothing else please just post things you are confused about to the list or help to put stuff into the docs.
09:33
<leio>
Q-FUNK: what did I volunteer again? ;p
09:34
<warren>
eharrison: yeah, I think it is a problem in the OS itself
09:34* warren tries a chroot install with a lot more crap than usual
09:34
<eharrison>
it was dying a couple lines after running "exec /sbin/agetty...."
09:35
<Q-FUNK>
leio: to help dberkholz complete the LTSP port and to test our thincan on it :)
09:35
<warren>
eharrison: you see that entirely in tcpdump?
09:36
<eharrison>
if [ "$UPSTART_EVENT" != "${UPSTART_EVENT##fedora.serial-console-available}" ]; then....
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<warren>
eharrison: which script is this?
09:36
<eharrison>
warren: I'll email you the dump (it is 12M uncompressed). If you load it into wireshark, click on the last packet, and do a "follow udp stream"
09:37
I'm looking for that now
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<warren>
/etc/event.d/
09:39
eharrison: what happens if you move /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/event.d/serial out of the way before booting the client?
09:39
Meanwhile, I install a fuller chroot just to test the "missing something" theory.
09:40* petre must go pick up his son; bbiaw
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<eharrison>
warren: still hangs, this time after running /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/event.d/logd. So it must be whatever comes after running the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/event.d/ scripts
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<warren>
eharrison: I don't understand well enough of how upstart works
09:47* eharrison has the same problem ;-) I'm digging into it now...
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<ogra>
ubuntu doesnt shp the serial event.d script by default ... the instaler only copies it into place on request through a bootoption
09:48
try dropping it and see if it boots :)
09:49
<eharrison>
ogra: I did. No joy. Do you happen to know what upstart does after running the ./event.d/ scripts?
09:49
<warren>
or what binary is run to launch event.d?
09:49
we need to figure out where that is in the boot sequence
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<warren>
my more complete chroot install is almost done
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<ogra>
warren, init
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<eharrison>
warren: a getting-started guide ;-) http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html
09:52
<ogra>
warren, upstart replaces init
09:54
<warren>
curious that sysrq-T isn't showing any userspace process
09:54* eharrison runs off to start another pot of coffee... Sunday 6:00am PDT is pretty brutal for us nocturnal folk ;-)
09:55
<warren>
eharrison: blame dyoung for the meeting time
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and he isn't even here =)
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<Q-FUNK>
:)
09:57
blame canada!
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<warren>
eharrison: ooh!
09:57
eharrison: my fuller chroot boots just fine
09:57
eharrison: we might just be missing a package.
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<robark>
Hi guys, I'm up with my kids (in PDT). I hope you guys find that missing package
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<eharrison>
robark: good morning!
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<warren_>
got disconnected
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<robark>
eharrison: morning Eric
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<IRCzito>
K12Linux meeting yet?
10:12
<warren_>
meeting is over
10:13
eharrison: the missing package seems to be something not listed in our kickstart file. I tried removing all of the lines beginning in "-" and it made no difference.
10:13
<IRCzito>
warren_: :( Ive sleeping
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<eharrison>
warren: I'm guessing that it is event-compat-sysv (testing theory now...)
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<warren_>
ooh
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eharrison: that was it!
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<eharrison>
warren_: confirmed here as well
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<warren_>
eharrison: OK, I'm going to see if a dep in the OS can be added for that, I don't think THAT should be listed explicitly
10:18
perhaps upstart should Require event-compat-sysv?
10:18
or maybe initscripts
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<IRCzito>
warren_: I write somethink on /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common to get printers work, but i dont know if is the right place.
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<warren_>
IRCzito: you have to subscribe to the list to post there
10:19
IRCzito: your change made it actually work? I have no idea how jetpipe works
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<IRCzito>
warren_: I do it
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<robark>
well done guys
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<warren>
eharrison: good work
10:27
eharrison: I gotta meet someone for lunch now
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bbl
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<eharrison>
warren: and I'm off for breakfast
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<ryudo_home>
i need help :(
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the cache of pixmaps in firefox 3 beta 5 and openoffice 2.4 still having my terminals freeze
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ogra ?
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gady ?
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gvy ?
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<laga>
ryudo_home: try again tomorrow if nobody answers, it's sunday
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<ryudo_home>
oh :( laga thank you
12:14
laga do you have probleman wich pixmaps cache ?
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<laga>
no
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i don't use LTSP
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<ryudo_home>
ok thx :D
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<ryudo_home>
hi anyone can help me ?
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<herso1>
BGomes: hi
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<BGomes>
herso1: hi
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herso1: W u doing?
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<herso1>
herso1: nothing
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tcss
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for myself
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;)
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<BGomes>
herso1: Today me and terry make to work jetpipe in fedora
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<herso1>
BGomes: i see
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<BGomes>
herso1: working fine!!
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herso1: Where u see it?
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<herso1>
BGomes: I have always been there, I saw the above questions with terry
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<BGomes>
herso1: after migration of dbnadia us come in to s1 and working for some hours in Ltsp and finality builds jetpipe in fedora
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<herso1>
herso1: owww, sorry Was taking my clothes from rain
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<BGomes>
herso1: 3 dias até o fisl9.0.
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<herso1>
BGomes: yea, depois do amanha
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<ryudo_home>
opa
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boa tarde
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<BGomes>
ryudo_home: where are u from?
14:45
<ryudo_home>
Brasil
14:45
:D
14:45
BGomes vc poderia me dar uma mãozinha ?
14:45
<BGomes>
ryudo_home: eu tb hehe e o herson tb
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<ryudo_home>
vc usa ltsp ?
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<BGomes>
vamos para o #ltsp-br
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<ryudo_home>
ok
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<BGomes>
only english here
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hersonls: #ltsp-br please
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<StevenR_>
has anyone used xrdp? Is it possible to make it automatically select a profile?
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<BGomes>
StevenR_: xrdp ?
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<StevenR_>
yes. xrdp
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I'm looking at thinclientyness at work, and wondering about using xrdp (rather than xdmcp directly)
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<ryudo_home>
jhonny
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jhonny_
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dou you rember me ?
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ogra
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<laga>
ryudo_home: as i said before, wait till tomorrow. it's sunday :)
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<ryudo_home>
:*******
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laga i have a big problem in my hands
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ogra can help me... i guess
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<johnny_>
Ryudo, a common saying is "a problem on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part"
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of course.. i'm paraphrasing a bit.. i forget exact wording
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people are less likely to be helpful if you bug them directly
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<ryudo_home>
oh sorry :(
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<hersonls>
/msg NickServ help
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<tjpp>
Hi, I have two basic questions on LTSP: 1) can I use a 64 bits Linux on 8Gb RAM server on 32bits- thinclients ? 2) what is the best way to run OPenGL applications on TC ?
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<hersonls>
hi
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<tjpp>
hi
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<johnny_>
tjpp, 1) yes..
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2) not sure
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brb
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<tjpp>
johnny, thanks
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is there any advantage in using a 64 bits OS for that ?
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I mean I know there are no problems with 64 bits that usually happens on 32 bits
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<petre>
tjpp, for client? no
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<tjpp>
by the fact of using more than 8Gb
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<petre>
to use more than 4GB RAM on server, you need 64-bit
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<tjpp>
I am going to install a whole lab with 24 thin clients
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and I have to choose the server configuration
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so I think in a intel quad with 8Gb RAM
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is that enough for desktop applications (no multimedia since it is a Physics Depto. lab)
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<petre>
depending on what apps the clients will be running, 4GB ought to be enough for 24 clients
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should be plenty
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<tjpp>
mostly web browsing, some 2D graphics analysis and text edition with OPenOffice and LaTeX
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<petre>
some multimedia apps have been difficult on 64-bit, and you end up having to recompile then for 32-bit, e.g., flash
17:12
<tjpp>
yes, and the Java plugin, that Sun promise only for 2009 :(
17:13
and what about a few simple OpenGL apps developed by the students in Python ?
17:13
<petre>
not sure
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<tjpp>
We will have a cluster for numerical applications but not for graphics
17:14
<petre>
although there are some teachers teaching python on the k12ltsp mailing list
17:14
you might ask there
17:15
<NewIrish>
Hi folks, am wondering about how to enable local device support on various thin clients, old new etc.??
17:15
<petre>
robark teaches python & uses ltsp; he's usually here on Sunday mornings
17:15
<tjpp>
what time is now ? I am from Brazil :)
17:16
<petre>
Sunday 5:15 Central Daylight Time, robark is in Pacific time zone (two hours behind)
17:17
<NewIrish>
Gotta go, I'll be back soon!
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17:17
<petre>
I think Brazil is in same time zone (or two or three ;-) )
17:19
<tjpp>
Sunday 19:19
17:20
<petre>
sorry: I'm Sunday 17:19, robark is Sunday 15:19 right now
17:20
are you in eastern Brazil?
17:21* petre looks at a map
17:22
<tjpp>
yes, I am in Niteroi that is 10 miles from Rio de Janeiro
17:23
<petre>
which is over along the east coast, right?
17:24
<tjpp>
Yep
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<ryudo_home>
jammcq :D
19:50
<jammcq>
ryudo_home: hey
19:50
<ryudo_home>
hi jammcq
19:50
i have few problems using ooo and firefox
19:50
the pixmaps cache issue
19:51
<jammcq>
ok
19:51
<ryudo_home>
do you know ? i suing ooo 2.4
19:51
and firefox 3 B5
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<ryudo_home>
and the problem still :{
19:51
my terminals have 64 mb :(
19:52
<jammcq>
64mb probably isn't enough
19:52
you need to enable network swapping
19:52
with nbd
19:53
<ryudo_home>
this dont solve :D
19:53
i icrease to 512mb
19:53
look this http://www.mille-xterm.org/en/Terminal_Memory_Usage
19:53
this is my problem
19:53
<jammcq>
maybe you didn't specifiy it correctly
19:54
<ryudo_home>
ogra say "use the ooo 2.4 and firefox 3beta, because this programs have a fix for pixmaps cache on clients"
19:54
but i test firefox 3 beta 5 and ooo 2.4 and problem continues
19:54
but using opera
19:55
opera work sooo fine :)
19:55
but ooo impress crash ALWAYS eheheeh :(
19:55
<jammcq>
ok, so it's no surprise that Firefox is still using too much memory
19:55
can you try it with a client with more memory?
19:55
and.... are you sure you turned on network swapping correctly?
19:56
<ryudo_home>
jim i make it:
19:56
vim /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf
19:56
SIZE=512
19:56
correct ?
19:56
<jammcq>
I think. but what did you put in lts.conf ?
19:58
<ryudo_home>
i not on server now
19:58
:(
19:59
NBD_SWAP = Y correct ?
20:00
<jammcq>
umm, I dunno
20:00
it's been a long time since I worked on that
20:00
perhaps one of the other LTSP guys can help
20:01
<ryudo_home>
NBD_SWAP=True
20:01
humm ok no problem :D
20:01
<jammcq>
i think "True" and "Y" are both correct
20:01
<ryudo_home>
thx for you help
20:01
:D
20:05* petre notes that his lts.conf says 'NBD_SWAP = Y'
20:08
<warren>
petre: NBD swap AFAIK isn't implemented in K12 yet
20:08
petre: so the option does nothing at the moment
20:09
<jammcq>
well, the question is.... what distro is ryudo_home using?
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<ryudo_home>
ubuntu 7.04 ltsp 5
20:09
ubuntu fesity
20:09
feisty
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<petre>
warren, did you & eharrison figure out the source of the NFS/f9 problem?
20:12
<warren>
petre: yeah, need to install event-compat-sysv in the chroot
20:12
petre: I'm trying to make it happen automatically with a dependency because it is really a core OS bug
20:13
<petre>
a bug in f9, do you mean?
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<petre>
brb...
20:17
<warren>
petre: yes
20:17
petre: initscripts or something else core should depend on event-compat-sysv because it doesn't work at all without it.
20:19
<ryudo_home>
guys i have another problem
20:20
in feisty my nautilus still eating my cpu .. 100% after logout and login
20:20
this bug has in lauch pad
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<ryudo_home>
ogra \o/
20:20
good night :D
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20:39* eharrison waves hello to dtrask
20:39* jammcq waves to eharrison and dtrask
20:40
<eharrison>
jammcq: how's it going?!
20:41
<jammcq>
going well
20:41
seems that we'll be descending upon portland sometime in July
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20:42
<eharrison>
If you want a place to crash, let me know ;-)
20:42
<jammcq>
thanks
20:42
I'll have scotty with me, and maybe some others, so a hotel might be the way to go
20:43
<warren>
eharrison: I'd like to crash there. Red Hat is really cheap.
20:43
<eharrison>
warren: no problem ;-)
20:44
I look forward to seeing everyone. Spending too much time recently being a manager and not enough being a developer :-(
20:45* petre nods recalling a similar period in his past
20:52
<warren>
eharrison: can't you delegate development then? =)
20:53
<petre>
development is the fun part; delegate the management ;-)
20:53
<eharrison>
warren: I can delegate to dyoung, but you claim he is the one that agreed that I should get out of bed at 6:00am today (revenge is sweet ;-)
20:54
<warren>
eharrison: he didn't volunteer you, he volunteered himself to wake up that early for meetings
20:54
eharrison: then he failed to show for everything after the first meeting =)
20:54* eharrison things dyoung would make an excellent manager ;-)
20:54
<eharrison>
s/things/thinks/g
20:55
<petre>
eharrison, meeting doesn't start until 7am your time, don't have to get up until 6:58
20:56
<hersonls>
hi guys
20:56
<eharrison>
6am my time... 5:50 - need a few minutes to make coffee!
20:57
<petre>
eharrison, are you on Daylight Savings?
20:57
<eharrison>
yes, PDT
20:57
<warren>
eharrison: eh? 10am here is 7am there?
20:57
<petre>
9am CDT = 7am PDT
20:58* jammcq wonders if eharrison is using the old zoneinfo files
20:58
<petre>
or do you need 10 min to make coffee, + 60 min to take effect?
20:58
<eharrison>
okay, maybe I'm off an hour (proof that I do not do well in the early morning)
20:58
<warren>
sounds like he needs a more direct to blood stream method of caffeine infusion
20:59
snorting?
20:59
<eharrison>
IV
20:59* petre would be happy to start at 6am CDT
20:59
<eharrison>
I'd probably do better at 6am CDT and 6am PDT ;-)
20:59
s/and/than/
21:00
<petre>
just stay up all night?
21:01* eharrison is nocturnal by nature
21:02* petre is diurnal by nature
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<warren>
oh boy
22:19* warren discovers that ldm isn't showing translations.
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<ryudo_home>
ogra ?
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<Paladine>
anyone know how modable the hp t5300 is?
23:05
I want to fat client it if possible but will still boot over PXE.
23:06
I just want to add a larger flash drive for mounting /home
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