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Channel log from 1 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<astbis>
Is there someone who can help with why gimp is really slow to start on ltsp (jaunty)?
06:43
I have found ia32-libs bug messages, but i am running a 32 bit system and can't install ia32-libs. Not found.
06:44
Not only is it slow to start. To open 6 small images 200k max. takes about 10-12 minutes.
06:50
Locally the same task takes only 20 seconds max. so it has to be the remote x connection.
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<astbis>
I found the solution myself after a long time searching. Thanks anyway.
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<Gadi>
!seen nubae
09:47
<ltspbot>
Gadi: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <nubae> the script should work ok in jaunty and intrepi though
09:48
<johnny>
wasn't nubae here yesterday sometime?
09:49
<alkisg>
I've spoken with him this morning in #edubuntu...
09:50
<Gadi>
well, if you see him, tell him to wake up his logbot
09:50
:)
09:51
<alkisg>
Heh
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all. I have a question about using an LTSP server with a single NIC
10:10
I was running a 9.10 test server with dual NICs, and everything was working fine. Eth0 was internet, ETH1 was internal DHCP network
10:12
I shut down eth0, and plugged eth1 into a switch which ran independently from our network, changed /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to reflect the new IP address changes, and the client will boot
10:12
but I cannot log in. It's saying "server not responding"
10:13
I have ran ltsp-update-sshkeys, and route -n on the client shows correct routes in place
10:13
<alkisg>
Did you run ltsp-update-image?
10:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: yeah
10:14
<shawnp0wers>
Anyone: What is the "proper" way to connect to a thin client server without using a thin client? It used to be VNC...
10:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
shawnp0wers: ssh? :)
10:14
shawnp0wers: I use VNC still, or NX
10:14
<shawnp0wers>
Is it difficult to set up VNC?
10:15
<alkisg>
You just enable it from system > preferences > remote desktop
10:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
shawnp0wers: not really. Before you continue, try out NX from nomachine
10:15
<alkisg>
NX is much, much faster :)
10:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
the setup is simple, and the demo is free
10:15
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
10:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
^^ alkisg is correct
10:16
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: "route -n on the client" ==> do you have a local terminal handy (=Alt+Ctrl+F2)? If so, try `ssh user@server`. Change "user" to a valid username on the server, but leave "server" as it is, don't replace it with anything.
10:16
See if it tells you anything else apart from prompting for a password
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(e.g. "are you sure you want to connect to this server? (y/n)")
10:17
If it does, it's a key problem... if not, well, maybe you should look at ldm.log or ~/.xsession-errors
10:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok. I'll check that. I'm not sure ssh is installed on the image yet. I'll need to rebuild
10:18
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: ssh should definately be installed
10:18
LTSP relies on that :)
10:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: strangely enough, I am not seeing any login attempts in /var/log/auth.log on the server when I try to log in.
10:18
<alkisg>
sshD isn't necessary :)
10:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: "ssh user@server" worked fine :P
10:20
<alkisg>
That's from the local client terminal? Not a key problem, then
10:20
Switch to alt+ctrl+f7 and try to login from ldm,
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and then see /var/log/ldm.log
10:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
var/log/ldm.log on the client or server?
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<alkisg>
Client
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<_UsUrPeR_>
huh. it just worked. didn't even reboot the client.
10:22
<alkisg>
Try again, after rebooting the client...
10:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: when I ssh'd into the server from the client, it asked me about the sshkey...
10:22
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: well, then it IS a key problem
10:23
That's the exact symptom :)
10:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
flpxj
10:23
ok, something's up. I'll figure this out
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<alkisg>
Is there any "generic configuration editor" that I could use for an app of mine? Something like gconf-editor, but which would take a specific configuration file as a parameter?
10:31
<sbalneav>
vi?
10:31
badum-bum
10:31
I know, shut up Balneaves :)
10:31
<alkisg>
Muwahahaha
10:32* alkisg thinks sbalneav has many, many, many, many years since he last seen teachers sitting on a PC :)
10:35
<sbalneav>
I've never taught. And when I went to school, teachers didn't HAVE pc's in the classroom. But I've used vi for 20+ years :)
10:35
Why not just use gconf then?
10:35
<Ahmuck>
what kind of specific configuraiton file, oh ... gedit, kate
10:35
notepad++
10:35
<sbalneav>
Phht. toys.
10:36
alkisg: this a gnome app?
10:36
I think the python gconf bindings are pretty good, you might be able to add gconf support with only a "few" lines (for medium sized vlues of 'few")
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<alkisg>
I'm not sure that solely using gconf is a good idea... e.g. how would I read a setting if X isn't up? With gconftool-2 --direct?
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<alkisg>
I'd prefer it if I had an .xml or .ini or .conf file, and gconf-editor would act as a front-end for that file.
10:43
E.g. one setting would be "DisableFlowControl" and it would accept a list of interfaces on which to disable flow control. I'd have to read this on if-up, where X probably isn't up yet...
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<Gadi>
alkisg: you can make a nice pygtk app and use ConfigParser python module with .ini files
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<johnny>
gsettings is the future anyways..
11:20* Gadi always knew johnny was from the future
11:20* Gadi just wonders what happens when future johnny meets present johnny
11:20
<johnny>
btw.. gsettings is already here..
11:20
i just meant that people using it is the future.. for gnome apps.. as not all do yet
11:20
or gtk apps in general
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<johnny>
alkisg should read about gsettings and dconf/gconf
11:21* sbalneav misses passwd formatted files
11:22
<sbalneav>
why:can't:we:just:store:our:settings:like:this?
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<johnny>
lol
11:22
perhaps someday we should change how /etc/passwd is formatted..
11:23
<Gadi>
ah, the colonectemy format
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<sbalneav>
Oh, cripes. It's the only config file I can effectively deal with anymore.
11:24
You know what I'm going to put on my gravestone?
11:24
Scott Balneaves, June 18, 1968 -> blah de blah
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sed -i 's/^sbalneav/d' /etc/passwd
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I hope some sysadmin gets a chuckle out of it when they pass by.
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<Gadi>
hmm... syntax error
11:25
how ironic
11:25
:)
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<sbalneav>
Wait, did I do that wrong?
11:26
one sec
11:26
<Gadi>
actually, no
11:26
ur good
11:26
jk
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I hope to see an #!/bin/sh in the upper-left corner ;)
11:27
actually, yeah - no s
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<sbalneav>
No, I did do it wrong.
11:27
<Gadi>
:)
11:27
lol
11:27
<sbalneav>
yeah, no s
11:27
I'll have to do a shell prompt in front of it:
11:27
<Gadi>
imagine going to ur grave with a syntax error hanging over you
11:28
talk about purgatory
11:28
;)
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<sbalneav>
god# sed -i '/^sbalneav/d' /etc/passwd
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There we go.
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<Gadi>
of course, god's not one to edit his passwd file by hand
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<Gadi>
s/god/God/
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:)
11:29
there's an agnel for that: Shelliel
11:29
his friends call him Shelly
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<sbalneav>
lol
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<Gadi>
otavio: hey there
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<otavio>
Gadi: hello
11:32
<Gadi>
otavio: question for you
11:32
I noticed you're coding for a new project "FreeRDP"
11:32
whats the story there?
11:35
<otavio>
Gadi: well; rdesktop upstream sucks
11:35
Gadi: it is quite difficult to push patches over there
11:35
Gadi: I had few patches around for a while and couldn't get they commited up to now
11:36
<Gadi>
I figured it must be something like that
11:36
<otavio>
Gadi: so when I found this project I started to talk to them and convert my patches for it
11:36
Gadi: and then I'm focosing on it now
11:36
<Gadi>
still sucks that it had to fork
11:36
did the fork put pressure on the upstream rdesktop guys?
11:36
<otavio>
Gadi: not that bad; because it give us freedom
11:36
<Gadi>
or do they not care?
11:37
<otavio>
Gadi: they don't care or have noticed it yet
11:37
Gadi: and I won't come back to work with them from now on since freerdp guys are much nicer to play with
11:37* Gadi nods - how big is the team?
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13:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
has anybody tried out F12 with ltsp?
13:05* sbalneav presses F12 key
13:05
<sbalneav>
4~
13:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
-_-
13:05
<sbalneav>
I get a 4~ when I do that
13:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so I am using Fedora 12, and clients are super-duper suhlow
13:06
<sbalneav>
Alt-F12 creates a new tomboy note!
13:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
mouse refresh/keyboard response is awful
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<sbalneav>
LDM_DIRECTX=True?
13:07
IIRC, Fedora sets up LTSP though some kind of bridge, doesn't it?
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<alkisg>
Yup
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ldm_directx = yes
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<sbalneav>
all lowercase?
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Because that would be wrong :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
LDM_DIRECTX=yes
13:08
hmm >_>
13:08
is that the case? is it true or yes?
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<sbalneav>
What's the DISPLAY environment variable look like on the thin client in an xterm?
13:09
True, true, Yes, yes are all valid
13:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: gimme a moment. booting client.
13:09
(takes forever)
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<sbalneav>
What kind of network connection between the two? Smart switch?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
direct link gigabit ports.
13:10
no switch, no nothing
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<sbalneav>
ifconfig ethx give any errors?
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where x = ltsp interface #
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav, finally booted :P
13:13
err ldm
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<sbalneav>
So even booting's slow?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
eth1 is being used with the bridge on fedora 12
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<sbalneav>
Or just LDM's slow to come up?
13:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
booting slow, LDM is slow, mouse refresh is slow. All around slow
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<sbalneav>
I'm unsure as to why the bridge is needed/added.
13:15
I'm sure warren had a good reason for it.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
13:15
<sbalneav>
What kind of thin client is it?
13:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
DLW 1520 atom-based
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<alkisg>
Does ethtool report speed=1000?
13:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
this is client independant
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<sbalneav>
looking at it with mii-tool might be handy too
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root@3jane:~# mii-tool eth0
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eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
13:17
A point of karma for anyone who know what my machine name means.
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<alkisg>
Yucc, pc name starting with a digit? :P
13:18
<sbalneav>
no peeking at google
13:18
yeah, it's just a desktop, so I don't care :)
13:18
it's my "lucid testing box"
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<alkisg>
Well if it means something with "3" and "jane" I don't wanna know :D
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<sbalneav>
Nope, nothing dirty
13:21
Oh c'mon
13:21
ok, here's a hint
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science fiction
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<alkisg>
Hmmm maybe that movie was old when we were born? :P :D :D
13:22* alkisg can't stand the suspense peeks at google...
13:22
<alkisg>
*and
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sorry about the delay
13:23
<sbalneav>
alkisg: ...and?
13:23
any guesses? :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, ethtool for eth0 on the client shows 100Mb/s full duplex
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<alkisg>
Uhm, if it's neuromancer, I've never heard of it :(
13:24
_UsUrPeR_: didn't you say it's full gigabit?
13:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
the server is 100Mb/s, client is 1000Mb/s
13:24
gigabit allows for automatic switching
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err crossover
13:25
whatever :)
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<sbalneav>
Ding Ding Ding.
13:25
Lady 3Jane Tessier-Ashpool
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alkisg: You *REALLY* need to read that book. I read it when it first came out in '84
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I make a point of re-reading it every couple of years or so.
13:26
It's a fantastic book.
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<alkisg>
Is it just fiction? Or comedy/fiction?
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<johnny>
fiction
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no comedy..
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not at all
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you should still read it tho
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<sbalneav>
Science fiction. It's the book that basically created the cyberpunk genre of science fiction.
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<johnny>
i just reread it 2 months ago
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<sbalneav>
johnny: Great book, eh?
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What blows me away is it was Gibson's first novel.
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<alkisg>
Well, two of my most trusted #ltsp fellows propose this book, so I'll put that first on my to-read list :) (short as it is :D)
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<johnny>
sbalneav, i have the difference engine right now
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never read it before
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<sbalneav>
It's like hitting a baseball to the moon your first time ever at bat.
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<johnny>
got it for free
13:28
<sbalneav>
I've got all Gibsons books.
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<johnny>
so i'm reading it
13:28
i also have a stephenson book too
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<sbalneav>
Snow Crash?
13:28
<johnny>
actually.. it's my gfs
13:28
yes
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<sbalneav>
Good book too.
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<johnny>
i haven't yet read mona lisa overdrive
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or finished count zero
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<sbalneav>
That's the third in the sprawl trilogy.
13:29
<johnny>
my gf's brother owns it..
13:29
<sbalneav>
finish count zero first.
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<johnny>
yeah.. i'll try to borrow it from her
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spook country is here too
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gf bought it on her trip from seattle
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<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: so, what's the $DISPLAY var like?
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<johnny>
sbalneav, i'd like to read something similiar.. but written more recently...
13:30
so much as changed since then
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: $display is retrieved through an ltsp-localapps xterm?
13:31
is that correct?
13:31
<sbalneav>
No
13:31
Just a regular xterm
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johnny: Pick up Cryptonomicon by Stphenson
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<_UsUrPeR_>
echo $DISPLAY doesn't show anything
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<sbalneav>
buh?
13:32
<johnny>
buh? buh
13:32
<sbalneav>
that's impossible :)
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
ORLY?
13:32
ok, so has anybody else in here tried out FC12 and ltsp? :)
13:32
<sbalneav>
johnny: any sci-fi book that has snippets of perl in it's pretty cool.
13:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
seriously, this is weird
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<shawnp0wers>
_UsUrPeR_ -- I get that when I'm ssh'd into a server, ie, no $DISPLAY variable
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<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: do an "env | grep DISPLAY"
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: on the client, in screen_02, as root, typing "env |grep -i DISPLAY" shows me nothing
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env shows a lot of stuff, but no display info
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<johnny>
huh..
13:34
it won't be set there
13:35
need an xterm
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in the actual thin client session
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<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: I said, in a regular X term
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<_UsUrPeR_>
flpxj
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ok, this is taking forever to start a gnome X session.
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<sbalneav>
apps->accessories->terminal
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πλουτοκρατία
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: gimme a moment. this is taking forever :P
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<sbalneav>
I got the rest of my life, no worries :)
13:37
After I'm dead, you're on your own, though :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, I just navigated the applications menu to terminal
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and let go of the left mouse button
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sbalneav: are you dead yet? :)
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terminal may/may not open...
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<sbalneav>
"This was a triumph, I'm making a note here, *huge success*"
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Sorry, portals joke
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<_UsUrPeR_>
that was a good game.
13:42
<sbalneav>
I'm just full of in jokes and references today :)
13:43
Best game I've played in years.
13:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
I really like Half-Life 2's story line
13:43
<sbalneav>
My kids like to play shooters like halo, and Modern Warfare 2 or whatever
13:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
I liked HL1 more though
13:44
guh. halo is pap in comparison :)
13:44
<sbalneav>
I like shooting holes in ceilings and floors
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and falling forever :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
running a top on the client is showing .3% cpu usage
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up! looks like the terminal session may be starting :D
13:47
favorite part of that game is the computer's voice acting.
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<sbalneav>
"So you found me. But despite all your violent behaviour, the only thing you've managed to break so far... is my heart"
13:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
also, that part where the computer wants to make sure that you can survive the blast furnace killed me about 3 times before I figured out that I had not yet won the game
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<sbalneav>
"First you will be baked, and then there will be cake."
13:49
<shawnp0wers>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF_IBrHsuzA
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:D
13:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
you have an eerie memory of verbatim content from this game
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up! wait
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<sbalneav>
yeah, that game had some of the darkest humour in it I've ever seen. For a game in which you're essentially running around in an abandoned facility with nothing but a disembodied voice, it was REALLY good"
13:50
I've played though it about 6 times.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, I got the "env |grep -i display"
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it returned "DISPLAY=172.31.100.100:1.0"
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<sbalneav>
ok, so LDM_DIRECTX=True IS set.
13:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
yes
13:51
<sbalneav>
Can you ssh -X from another full fledged desktop, and try starting gnome-session?
13:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so as an example: from my server, I will ssh -X 172.31.100.100 (client IP) and try to run gnome-session?
13:54
oh, you mean to the server
13:54* _UsUrPeR_ is a little slow
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<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, this works
13:56
sbalneav: this works, but it's really really weird
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<sbalneav>
How's the speed on that?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: just fine. can open terminals, everything works fine.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I will put "fine" in again
14:02
(fine)
14:02
god, this fc12 thing is awful
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<alkisg>
All this fuss about the ssh keys... :-/
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ssh keys?
14:08
<alkisg>
Yeah this whole bridging thing is about security, I guess..
14:08
To be able to function without using ltsp-update-sshkeys all the time
14:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh. huh.
14:08
<alkisg>
(when the server IP changes, on the live dvd etc)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I don't mind having a bridge instead of a NIC...
14:09
FC11 operated the same way
14:09
could have sworn that they were doing away with the bridges though
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<alkisg>
I don't know... I've seen several people coming here and asking for help about their bridge/dhcp/tftp etc setup, and noone could help :-/
14:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
forgot to mention, this is running on a VMware server
14:11
though that has never really made much of a difference in the past for LTSP
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<alkisg>
italc does have problems when the server runs in LTSP, because the x11vnc timing autodetection gets nuts
14:13
*when the server runs in vmware
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: is italc is running on FC12 by default?
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<alkisg>
I don't know, I haven't seen FC12 at all
14:14
I was talking in general, about problems when the server is in vmware...
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<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: Is the SERVER on vmware, or the client on vmware, or both?
14:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
the server only. The client is one of ours
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<ftherese>
what are thin clients called in french?
17:32
I am trying to figure out what a good deal on thin client hardware would look like...
17:41
<stgraber>
client légers
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<stgraber>
anything in the pipeline for ldm-trunk or ltsp-trunk ?
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last release is quite broken, I didn't want to retag too soon but considering we don't seem to have any active devlopment just yet, I'll tag in a few mins in order to get something working in Lucid and in my PPA
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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