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Channel log from 12 August 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<Appiah>
My clients get "PXE-E55 Proxy DHCP Service did not reply to request on port 4011" using 10.04 (Lucid)
03:22
Anyone got this problem before? It's a new install
03:25
<alkisg>
Appiah: are you actually using proxydhcp?
03:25
<Appiah>
Not that I know of
03:25
DHCP3
03:25
<alkisg>
dnsmasq?
03:25
Hmmm....
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<Appiah>
dhcp3-server
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<alkisg>
That message about port 4011 means that the client got a proxydhcp offer (not a normal one) and then it was trying to contact the server for the second part of the proxydhcp negotiation...
03:28
Maybe it's just a "broken" message and it's a "normal" pxe problem? Can you try increasing verbosity in dhcpd.conf?
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<alkisg>
Or, if you can use gpxe on a client and see what it actually receives...
03:28
(or wireshark / tcpdump)
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<Appiah>
true true
03:29
good ol gpxe
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<alkisg>
running `dhcp net0` and then `config` on the command line is the best way to see what the client gets
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<Appiah>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/GReqA2aP
03:32
then it just repeats
03:32
gonna get gpxe on a client
03:32
<alkisg>
Wait, if you get an nbd connection then pxe has succeeded
03:32
When do you see that 4011 message?
03:37
<Appiah>
when trying to pxe boot
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<cgb>
Hi All..... I am getting a message '(process:205): GLib WARNING **: getpwuid_r() failed due to unknown user id (0)' Anybody else ever seen that?
03:43
<alkisg>
@#($*(#@ my laptop decided that it was too hot and it'd be better if it hanged :-/
03:43
cgb: that's from pulseaudio, ignore it
03:44
<cgb>
alkisg: Great - I thought so thanks for that.
03:45
<alkisg>
Appiah: can you reboot the client and check again at the logs? the nbd problem is _after_ the pxe booting is completed, so if the client doesn't pxe-boot, then maybe that nbd problem was from another client?
03:47
<Appiah>
umm
03:47
gpxe works fine
03:47
a laptop and thin client cannot pxeboot , they get the proxyDHCP error
03:47
gpxe on the laptop works fine
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<alkisg>
OK, but I wonder how can those 2 messages (pxe and nbd) be related, they shouldn't be...
03:48
<cgb>
Next question. I'm trying to understand where lts.conf should be. /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf says it should be in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, but that it will work in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
03:48
<alkisg>
cgb: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
03:48
<Frank^-^>
I have setup the LTSP on my platform!!
03:48
after modify /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
03:49
But what is the username and passwd in default?
03:49
And where is the driver location? If I want to update, how to?
03:49
<cgb>
I'm assuming that part of the boot will try to read /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf using tftp and if that fails will then read lts.conf from the .img file when nbd has been established. Does that make sense?
03:50
<alkisg>
cgb: yes
03:51
<cgb>
alkisg: Thanks, now I can go away and see if I can work out what is causing our crashes.
03:53
<alkisg>
Frank^-^: the default username/password ==> any user that exists on the server. Read the docs on the topic to understand how ltsp works...
03:53
!docs
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
03:56
<Appiah>
so what do I do when gpxe pxeboots just fine without me touching anything... and my clients wont boot?
03:57
<johnny>
disable quiet and splash?
03:57
but you should know that by now
03:57
<alkisg>
Appiah: can you paste your dhcpd.conf ? E.g. it might be missing the root-path option, it's normally unused, but some pxe clients require it for some strange reason
03:58
johnny: the kernel doesn't load, it doesn't complete the pxe request...
03:58
<johnny>
oh so it doesn't get taht far
03:58
<alkisg>
yeah, at least if I understood the problem correctly...
03:58
<johnny>
hmm.. there should be a list of these issues per chip
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<Appiah>
alkisg: oooh..
04:01
then that's probly the reason :D
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<alkisg>
Appiah: did it work?
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<Appiah>
what should a root-path look like in ltsp5?
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<alkisg>
/usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd.conf
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(that's the example dhcpd.conf, not the root path)
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<Appiah>
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; ah
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<Appiah>
alkisg: nope did not work
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<alkisg>
Appiah: the next step is wireshark / tcpdump...
04:19
I.e. see what options the client requests, so that the server sends all of them, to get it satisfied...
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<Frank^-^>
alkisg: yes. I am finding some document. very interesting....
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<Appiah>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/Y1FnnxsA my DHCP package seams fine?
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<Frank^-^>
No response from server, restarting....
04:46
Then login screen appear again...
04:46
Can not login
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<Appiah>
Frank^-^: tried ltsp-update-image ?
04:50
and update-sshkeys
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<gurkhali69>
i am having problem with LTSP installation from iso file
07:47
can any1 help me? plz
07:48
<Appiah>
!ask
07:48
<ltspbot`>
Appiah: "ask" :: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
07:50
<gurkhali69>
thankx appiah. i mounted the iso file of ltsp package cd on desktop
07:51
then i tryed to change software sources. but i couldn't.
07:53
<Appiah>
well I dont know anything about installing packages from cd..
07:54
is it ubuntu?
07:54
<gurkhali69>
yes
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<Appiah>
https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/add-applications/C/offline.html
07:54
"If the packages are not listed, it may be because the CD is not listed as a package repository (the CD should be listed as a repository by default). To add the CD as a package repository, follow the instructions in the section called “Enabling other CDs that can be used to install packages”, below."
07:55
did you follow that guide?
07:55
or did you just drop dpkgs on a iso?
07:55
<gurkhali69>
i have iso file
07:55
<Appiah>
yes but how was the iso file created?
07:56
<gurkhali69>
i downloaded it from website
07:57
<alkisg>
Which iso is that? What's its name?
07:57
<Appiah>
what website?
07:58
<gurkhali69>
i downloaded it from a local server
07:58
<Appiah>
I dont know of any offical "ltsp" cd's
07:58
or isos
07:58
<gurkhali69>
ltsp-4.1-0.iso is the name of iso file
07:58
<Appiah>
thats OLD
07:58
dont use it
07:59
look at topic "LTSP-5 is the current version"
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<alkisg>
Do you have ubuntu installed? And you want to install ltsp over it?
07:59
<gurkhali69>
yes
07:59
<Appiah>
" LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using."
07:59
if you got a internet connection on that server please just use the apt
07:59
<alkisg>
gurkhali69: here's the page to follow: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall#Installing%20on%20top%20of%20an%20already%20running%20desktop%20system
08:00
<gurkhali69>
i have internet connection but the place where we are supposed to do LTSP deployment doesn't have internet connection
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<alkisg>
Setup the server where you are now, and just transfer it there then
08:03
<Appiah>
what alkisg said
08:04
<gurkhali69>
alkisg thanks but it may not work for me
08:05
<alkisg>
OK, explain the details then so that we can advice you better.
08:05
<gurkhali69>
actually I am suppose to do whole installation without using internet connection.
08:05
<alkisg>
That can be done with the alternate cd
08:06
Not the desktop ubuntu cd.
08:06
See the same page that I said above ^^^ but the previous paragraph
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<gurkhali69>
i am downloading it
08:06
alternative cd of ubuntu 10.04
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<alkisg>
Yes
08:07
i386 or amd64?
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<gurkhali69>
i386
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<alkisg>
ok
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<Blinny>
alkisg: Just emailed the list - Still experiencing problems even after resetting tcp_keepalive_?? values back to default :(
10:00
<alkisg>
Hey Blinny. I guess something else is messing with your keepalive then.
10:01
I'd lower the values for testing, and check with tcpdump that if it sends the keepalive packets or not.
10:02
(I believe it doesn't send keepalive packets for some reason)
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<Blinny>
Perhaps I have it backwards, but wouldn't the process be terminated if it did _not_ receive a keepalive packet?
10:07
<alkisg>
No
10:07
The keepalive packets are sent, and if there's no answer (i.e. the client has rebooted since), then the local process is terminated.
10:09
So if you (1) modify values to something small (2) boot client (3) hard poweroff client (4) run tcpdump ==> you should be seeing keepalive packets there
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<Da-Geek>
now this is a very embarrassing question.... Where can i find the latest src files for LTSP ?
10:44
<alkisg>
!ltsp-upstream
10:44
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "ltsp-upstream" :: at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/
10:44
<alkisg>
Or if you have some debian-based distro, apt-get source ltsp
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<Blinny>
Ah. Thank you alkisg
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<Blinny>
alkisg: tcpdump where the destination is the powered off client ?
10:55
<alkisg>
Blinny: yes (I'm used to wireshark myself, but people here suggest tcpdump usually :))
10:57
There's also a keepalive test program there: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/TCP-Keepalive-HOWTO/
10:57
That would allow you to test if keepalive in general can enabled on your system, or if it's some misconfiguration problem.
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<telephone>
anyone know how to get ibus working on the thin clients?
11:21
I tried installing ibus and a few tables in the thin client, and it always says "no insertion window"
11:31
<lordzhao>
hi
11:32
<telephone>
:)
11:33
<lordzhao>
I have a problem in a thin client dhcpcd someone help me?
11:34
sorry if English is not correct, because I use a translator.
11:36
otavio, brasileiro??
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<alkisg>
lordzhao: what problem?
11:37
(also mention your distribution and its version)
11:40
<lordzhao>
alkisg, debian and LTSP 4.2
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ERROR! dhcpcd failed!
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<alkisg>
lordzhao: LTSP 4.2? That's too old, I don't think anyone here is still using it.
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<Blinny>
alkisg: OK. Capturing and waiting for packets now.
12:27
and that sample program at the tldp website worked as expected
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<Blinny>
And, hell, just to be sure I'm tcpdump'ing too.
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<abeehc->
what problems are you seeing?
12:33
my buffer does not seem to show
12:33
<Blinny>
abeehc-: Ah - this is a multi-day problem. nbd server processes (both img and swap) not terminating when clients shut down.
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<abeehc->
gotcha
12:36
how would one notice if they are seeing that problem?
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<Blinny>
1/2 the return total of `ps auxw |grep nbd |wc -l` as compared to the number of thin clients clients you have
12:37
And possibly, if you use nbd_swap, your tmp drive filling up
12:38
This may be a me problem and not an everyone problem though.
12:39
<abeehc->
hehe
12:40
i get 645
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half that should match the number of clients i have?
12:40
<Blinny>
Theoretically
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<abeehc->
i have maybe 30 clients at most so that kinda sucks
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<Blinny>
Do you have a separate tmp partition, and do you use NBD_SWAP ?
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<abeehc->
i do use nbd_swap yeahi don't hav a seperate tmp; i am using nbd+swap
12:46
nbd_swap
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<Blinny>
You may want to check how many tmp files you have laying around.
12:48
Mine are in /tmp, so I do a ls -l /tmp/tmp.*
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<abeehc->
300 x 256mb
12:49
not awesome
12:49
i was sorta aware of htis a couple months ago but didn't get to dig that's why i ask
12:50
<Blinny>
So you have ~75GB of temp files from old boots laying around?
12:50
Are you a member of the ltsp-discuss list?
12:52
<abeehc->
that doesn't add up
12:52
maybe i did something wrong there..
12:52
<Blinny>
du -h /tmp/tmp.*
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<abeehc->
wierd i guess
12:53
ls tells me 256; du says a majority of them are 4k
12:53
<Blinny>
Yah that's OK though. It's the difference between reserved size and used size or something like that.
12:53
<abeehc->
only have 2 gigs to play with on this partition so 70+gb wouldn't be possible at all hehe
12:54
hmm
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<abeehc->
i wouldnt' say i'm a member of the list but i'm lookin at your post right now
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<Blinny>
abeehc-: It would be helpful if you could report your results to ltsp-discuss on the thread I started a few weeks ago.
13:00
A member just means you receive the emails and can respond. Please feel free to join & give your feedback.
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<Kyle__>
Hullo.
13:51
Where are the sessions that LDM uses loaded from? It's not seeing my custom sessions that usually go into /usr/share/xsession
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<johnny>
usually that's whre they get loaded from i think
13:57
on the server
13:57
Kyle__, your best bet is browsing the code tho
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unless somebody else pipes up
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<Kyle__>
johnny: Sorry, this is for fat clients, I keep forgetting to mention...but that's a good point. Maybe it needs that from teh server.
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<johnny>
ah, for fat clients.. not sure there
13:58
alkisg would know
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<Gadi>
Kyle__: LDM gathers the info using "ldminfo" which has a daemon that runs on the LDM server usually. you might need to add the xsession .desktop files on the server for them to appear in LDM
14:12
even for fat clients
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<johnny>
Gadi, maybe we should run ldminfod locally on fat clients and use it if it's there..
14:15
i don't know..
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<Gadi>
johnny: that sounds too logical
14:16
:)
14:17* Gadi bumps alkisg, keeper of the fat clients
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<alkisg>
Hey people
14:17* Gadi is merely keeper of the yo mama's thin client's so fat jokes
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<alkisg>
Hmmm it's been ages since we heard one... /me challenges Gadi to give us a "yo mama's" joke :)
14:18
I think it'd be simpler if we just read the available sessions than running a daemon, wouldn't it?
14:20
Erm we're probably saying the same thing, ignore me - I meant "just run ldminfod in no daemon mode"
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<Gadi>
yo mama's thin client's so fat she looks for her sessions at the bottom of a bag of Cheetos
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<alkisg>
:D
14:22
Gadi, will you come to ltsp bts?
14:22
<Gadi>
wouldn't miss it
14:22
will you?
14:22
<alkisg>
I hope so...
14:22
<Gadi>
\o/
14:23
<highvoltage>
:)
14:24* highvoltage still needs to sort out visa
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<Gadi>
highvoltage: the visa thing kept you from debconf, right?
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<highvoltage>
Gadi: in part, yes, the canadian embassy kept my passport too long, so when I finally got it back from them it left very little time to apply
14:40
Gadi: the embassy in Montreal says it should take about 5 days to get a visa when I apply, so I'm safe for UDS/BTS at least :)
14:44* Gadi longs for the days when a driver's license sufficed
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<highvoltage>
Gadi: that would've just been way too easy :)
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<Luke_Wolf>
well I've decided to switch for this build over to OpenSuse, I've gotten things to pretty much work except for the yast based network manager, (I can't get it to accept my wifi network, but I need to use yast to set a static IP) and does anyone have any ideas on how to solve the issue of the client boots up, hits the bootloader, and after it automatically boots into LTSP it crashes with an error about a network module..
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<hughessd>
hi there
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<hughessd>
If I 'apt-get install' something, do i have to run 'ltsp-update-image' for it to be usable by other users?
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(this is on a regular LTSP set up, of course)
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<Luke_Wolf>
http://pastebin.com/JCUT597p I'm getting these error messages on tty 3 and 4 when trying to start a client on an opensuse kiwi-ltsp, any thoughts anyone?
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<Luke_Wolf>
where can I set the network module?
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<hughessd>
luke, i asked a question an hour ago. no reponses. everyone must be busy.
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<abeehc->
hughessd: if it's non-local-apps you shouldn't need to ltsp-update-image
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<hughessd>
abeehc: ahhh ok. i think i get it. thanks for the reply.
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<Luke_Wolf>
..*shrugs* at the silence and goes back to tinkering with lts.conf...
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<abeehc->
sorry i don't even understand your question Luke_Wolf
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but i'm not the expert around here anyway
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i think earlier the smart people are around
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<Luke_Wolf>
http://pastebin.com/JCUT597p check out this output
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I hand copied that from the client screen, which I've been unable to boot
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or rather I've been able to boot, just not been able to get into the ldm from..
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it gets to right before and then crashes out with that
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<abeehc->
do you get a shell on it?
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i just don't recognize that output from anywhere
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<Luke_Wolf>
I can boot into a shell
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<abeehc->
i guess if it properly crashed you don't get a shell? nothin interesting in ldm.log?
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does it appear to you to be a problem with the nic/hardware?
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i mean do you happen to have other identical hardware that works?
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what NIC is in the machine? lspci from a shell might be interesting
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<Luke_Wolf>
not up and running, I'm going to need to cut wifi however If I start up the ltsp because yast hasn't worked for configuring the wifi but it gives me the tools to statically set the IP
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<abeehc->
isee
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i have no idea about wifi, my impression was that it's not possible
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certainly not trivial?
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<Luke_Wolf>
no, I'm talking about wifi server side
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it's how I'm connected to the internet
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<abeehc->
I see
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no i'm still pretty confused
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you have a server, maybe two network interfaces, one wifi to internet one lan to the clients?
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clients have nics and connect ot lan?
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<Luke_Wolf>
server is currently connected to internet via wlan, internal network is supplied by the onboard gigabit ethernet port connected to a network switch which is then connected to the terminal
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<abeehc->
ok right on
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and we are working on getting the client terminal to boot to ltsp?
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<Luke_Wolf>
yeah
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<abeehc->
ok
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what NIC hardware does the client have
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if oyu can get a shell, lspci might be interesting?
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<Luke_Wolf>
one sec switching to see..
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<abeehc->
ok..
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i guess you can't play in the shell unless you've unlocked the chroot root account
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<Luke_Wolf1>
hm.. I guess I was wrong the shell doesn't work.. or at least I couldn't run that command
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<abeehc->
:(
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what kind of machine is it?
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and have you had on eof the same kind boot correctly before?
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<Luke_Wolf>
Well the network adapter on the terminal is an Atheros one..based on the PXE boot screen
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<abeehc->
i thought we decided the client terminal was not wifi
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do they make real cards?
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<Luke_Wolf>
apparently and thats onboard
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<abeehc->
hehe cool
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what brand is the machine itself?
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i'd look to see if the nic itself is supported in linux
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<Luke_Wolf>
Well it works under the Fedora version of LTSP..
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<abeehc->
interesting
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<Luke_Wolf>
okay mobo is MSI 740GM-P25
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<abeehc->
does it have a cdrom?
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<Luke_Wolf>
DVD drive and yes
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an optiarc
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<abeehc->
ok.. mabye try and boot a recent livecd of whatever your server distro is
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pretty soon, you'll need to get your hands dirty with wireshark or the like maybe
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neat board
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also, is the ltsp server also your dhcp server?
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<Luke_Wolf>
in this case yes
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<abeehc->
i have crappy pxe clients around here that are too dumb to pull the images from anything but the dhcp server
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<Luke_Wolf>
I'll be back afk 15 dinner
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<abeehc->
i still don't understand what you put on pastebin.. that text makes it to the screen?
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<Luke_Wolf>
well it's in tty3 and 4, it sends a message to tty1 to look at tty3 & 4
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well the user a message
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<Luke_Wolf>
Where it says echo is what's shown on screen
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on tty1
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there is some other stuff above it, but no errors above this
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<Luke_Wolf>
It's annoying to be this close and yet I still have at least this wall to vault..
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<Luke_Wolf>
I'm going to switch back over again
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<Luke_Wolf>
abeehc-, Well there we go Atheros AR8131
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<Luke_Wolf>
abeehc- it's just odd that It can boot and get all the way up to right until the LDM.. and then error out like that
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<Luke_Wolf1>
hm..
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