IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 2 September 2011   (all times are UTC)

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09:29
<markit>
hi, anyone expert of italc? I've installed it in ltsp 11.04 kubuntu, works fine but every student can run it an "monitor" all the class, that is not good :)
09:29
probably I have to configure something, but I'm confused
09:33
<Appiah>
hardly remeber anything from that software
09:34
but dont you devide wish groups should have access?
09:34
(unix groups)
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09:51
<andygraybeal>
mornnns
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10:12
<markit>
Appiah: hi, how can I?
10:13
I mean, I've teachers that belong to linux group "teachers", and students.. to "students"
10:13
but don't know how inform italc about it
10:14
also I've no idea how KDE menu work and if is possible to hide some items depending on the user's group
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10:56
<Appiah>
is there not some management console for italc?
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11:06
<markit>
Appiah: yes, but seem that you define "classes", I've only one
11:07
so I should not need to
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11:35
<markit>
alkisg: btw, I use KDE, wondering if gnome has some facility like menu entries available only for certain groups
11:35
i.e. I want to have students a "strip down" menu
11:36
I could personalize a lot of user's menu with kde, but there is a big problem
11:36
when I add a user, no .kde dir is populated
11:36
it's populated at first login
11:36
so if I put there some config file, will be overwritten
11:36
<alkisg>
markit, there's edubuntu menu editor for this, and there's also sabayon. I haven't used any of them
11:36
<markit>
and manually loging each 300 students is not fun
11:37
<alkisg>
Both support customized menus per group
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11:37
<alkisg>
I think mgariepy developed the edubuntu menu editor, maybe you should try that one first
11:37
<markit>
nice, I will refer to kde guys... I receive very little support for those kind of problems, seem they all use it as desktop only and only for one or 2 users
11:38
<alkisg>
Yes, unfortunately not many people have education/schools in their mind when developing software
11:39
So things like edubuntu, kdeedu etc are nice and we should support them
11:39
<markit>
alkisg: well, is also a matter of "multiuser", not necessary education
11:39
<alkisg>
multiuser per groups
11:39
Not just multiuser
11:40
<markit>
yes, just I think that if you have multiuser, you need also a smart way to manage situations
11:40
like "global settings"
11:40
stripped down functionality for some users/group etc
11:40
<alkisg>
E.g. an internet cafe would want global menus
11:40
<markit>
should be "natural"
11:40
<alkisg>
But not per groups. For everyone.
11:40
<markit>
that can be done in KDE
11:40
<alkisg>
That's already supported with gnome mandatory settings
11:40
So it's not what we want in education
11:40
<markit>
it's because time ago they started Kiosk project, but now has been abandoned
11:41
I see
11:41
<alkisg>
In schools we have teachers and students, we need support for different groups
11:41
We also need shared folders
11:41
<markit>
well, in M$ world with AD you can have really fine grained tuning
11:41
<alkisg>
Not all people need that
11:41
Not really
11:41
There are situations where AD also doesn't work for us
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12:44
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
12:45
<TheMatrix3000>
fat clients hate me alkisg
12:45
ran every command in the world you told me
12:45
and the panels still don't show up
12:51
<pscheie>
mgariepy, good morning.
12:51
mgariepy, I think I'm riding with you from Bangor to BTS courtesy of stgraber, so thanks in advance for the lift.
12:52
<veloutin>
you get to ride the yellowmobile!
12:53
<pscheie>
What's the yellowmobile?
12:53
<veloutin>
mgariepy's car
12:53
<pscheie>
Is it shaped like a giant jar of mustard?
12:54
<veloutin>
Only if said jar is shaped like a suzuki
12:54
<pscheie>
which would be cool
12:54
close enough.
12:54
as long as it has four wheels & motor, I'm good.
12:55
Last time I went to BTS, I got a ride from stgraber & fgiradeau in fgiradeu's car.
12:56
He kept a large repair manual in the car "just in case"; I wasn't sure if I needed to be concerned or not. :-)
12:56
<veloutin>
well you made it out alive, so... :)
12:59
<pscheie>
yes, yes I did, though I may be scarred for life. :-) However, it didn't deter me from accepting the ride back from BTS to the airport.
13:01
veloutin, are you part of RevolutionLinux?
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13:05
<mgariepy>
hah
13:05
i'm not going with my yellowmobile
13:05
<highvoltage>
mgariepy: that's funny? :)
13:05
(ah I see)
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<mgariepy>
and at this point i'm not sure i'll make it to BTS
13:06
i need to see how it goes first for other stuff
13:07
<veloutin>
pscheie: yes, I'm at RevolutionLInux
13:08
<pscheie>
veloutin, are you coming to BTS?
13:09
<mgariepy>
pscheie, i have a suzuki aerio 2003 , yellow of course :)
13:10
<pscheie>
mgariepy, looks like a very practical car.
13:11
<highvoltage>
we call it the yellow submarine
13:11
<pscheie>
highvoltage, good moniker
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<pscheie>
so, if mgariepy decides he can't make it to BTS, could I piggyback on stgraber's piggyback of whoever does drive down?
13:16
<highvoltage>
I guess it would be me
13:16
(but I hope that mgariepy can work things out)
13:19
<pscheie>
highvoltage, the wikipage says you're coming from South Africa, although stgraber said you're just driving from Sherbrooke ;-)
13:26
<veloutin>
pscheie: no, I'm not going
13:27
<pscheie>
veloutin, :-(
13:27
<highvoltage>
pscheie: yep I live in sherbrooke now but jim likes to have me listed as from .za in there :)
13:28
<stgraber>
;)
13:28
<pscheie>
good morning stgraber
13:29
<veloutin>
pscheie: well I haven't touched ltsp in a long while anyways
13:29
<stgraber>
pscheie: good morning
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13:30
<pscheie>
veloutin, I'm not doing much with it these days myself, but I like to keep in touch with it.
13:31
I've installed it in some schools and in some businesses. But the ongoing support of those groups turns into a second job, and I don't have the time for that on a sustained basis.
13:32
<highvoltage>
pscheie: where are you?
13:32
<pscheie>
Minneapolis
13:33
north of you. ;-)
13:33
<highvoltage>
ah I guess I have the wrong Minneapolis then :)
13:33
<pscheie>
Actually, looking at google maps, it looks like we're on about the same parallel.
13:34
i.e., same latitude
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13:34
<highvoltage>
yeah Minneapolis seems around 2000km west from here
13:34
<pscheie>
I just find it amusing that we're north of, say, Toronto.
13:35
of course, sbalneav has me beat on northlyness.
13:35
northerlyness
13:36
<TheMatrix3000>
ok, could anyone explain why panels don't show up on computers, but are showing up on vmware
13:37
<highvoltage>
pscheie: wouldn't it be the same for you to go directly to SWH than to go to sherbrooke?
13:37
<pscheie>
highvoltage, I organized an LTSP conference here in Mpls. a few years ago. One of the attendees was Riaan van Brakel from NetDay in SA. Do you know him?
13:38
<highvoltage>
(considering you'll have to cross border twice as well and go north and then back south)
13:38
<pscheie>
highvoltage, I'm flying into Bangor.
13:38
<highvoltage>
I knew some people from NetDay, but not Riaan.
13:39
<pscheie>
was hoping stgraber could pick me up at the airport on his way down to SWH, as he & fgiradeau did last time I came.
13:39
stgraber said he's riding w/you & mgariepy
13:40
highvoltage, so if you end up driving, I'm humbly hoping I can catch a ride w/you.
13:40
from BGR, that is.
13:41
<highvoltage>
pscheie: ok, I'll be able to tell you in the next 2 weeks or so, I don't have final confirmation that I'm going yet, but it's likely
13:41
<pscheie>
highvoltage, ok, tx.
13:44
highvoltage, how did you end up in Canada from SA?
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14:23
<mgariepy>
alkisg, are you going to BTS ?
14:24
<stgraber>
mgariepy: I guess it depends on whether he gets sponsorship for UDS
14:24
<alkisg>
mgariepy: yup, I'm waiting for the sponshorship results
14:25* alkisg hopes those will be out soon, because he's seeing all van's seats being taken :D
14:30
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: create a new user account and login with it. If it also has panel problems, check /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml for broken settings.
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14:56
<Blinny>
Some of my Lucid clients don't get a visible 'enter password' dialog to unlock the screensaver - it's as if the dialog is behind the blank screen. I can still type in the password to unlock it. Can't find the bug report about this - anyone know of this issue?
14:56
alkisg: BTW I did the update-image / update-kernels and no love there.
14:57
<alkisg>
Blinny: is that per thin client, or per user account?
14:58
<Blinny>
Initially it seems to be per client, though it may be per-server. Testing while typing.
14:58
Per client
14:59
Sounds like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501668
14:59
Must be an ATI thing
15:00
<alkisg>
Does it also happen with compiz disabled?
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15:00
<alkisg>
(or with non-3d screensavers?)
15:01
<Blinny>
Compiz is disabled. Dunno about non-3d.. I thought there was only screen blanking in LTSP?
15:01
<alkisg>
Right, so it doesn't sound like the bug you linked to
15:01
The person there says it only happens for 3d screensavers for him
15:02
<Blinny>
(though I just checked Preferences->Screensaver and 'skyrocket' was selected - same behavior occurs with 'blank screen')
15:02
The similarity is that I can still type into the blank screen and the screensaver is disabled.
15:03
<alkisg>
Try disabling ati's modesetting, maybe that helps for the specific client
15:03
!nomodeset
15:03
<ltsp>
alkisg: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace quiet splash with nomodeset .
15:04
<Blinny>
OK one sec.
15:05
BRB
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<Blinny>
alkisg: That worked.
15:08
alkisg: I do notice that I receive 'Invalid card number' as the last line before LDM starts.
15:08
That occurred before and now with nomodeset
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15:08
<alkisg>
Blinny: to make nomodeset specific to that client, copy pxelinux.cfg/default to pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address-of-that-client-with-lowercase-letters
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15:08
<alkisg>
E.g. 01-a1-b2-c3-d4-e5-f6
15:09
<Blinny>
alkisg: Brilliant.
15:09
alkisg: You guys thought of everything.
15:09
<alkisg>
LTSP is just a wrapper
15:09
That's pxelinux
15:09
:)
15:09
I think that invalid card number come from pulseaudio or something, there was a bug report somewhere
15:10
If you search the irclogs (see /topic) for invalid card number, you might find the bug report link
15:11
<Blinny>
Dig.
15:12
Let me test this.
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<Blinny>
Thank you alkisg. You are a veritable fount of knowledge.
15:14
Perfect.
15:14
<alkisg>
You're welcome
15:14
<Blinny>
OK. Back to fighting with dell omsa. Cheers mate
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15:24
<Gadi>
so, I have a very OT Friday question: Anybody here use HP PA-RISC processors for development or anything?
15:33
<pscheie>
Gadi, I used to, until about four years ago.
15:33
<Gadi>
so, I still have my old HP J6000 from my circuit design days, and I am finally looking to part with it
15:33
<pscheie>
Company merged with another. I probably could have gotten one of the old PA-RISC boxes had I wanted.
15:34
<Gadi>
if anyone knows someone in the market for a dual-533MHz PA-RISC machine ... :)
15:34
<pscheie>
heh
15:34
no thanks.
15:34
<Gadi>
still pretty powerful
15:34
:)
15:34
shucks
15:34
<pscheie>
They're really solid, reliable.
15:34
<Gadi>
she's like a classic car - hate to se her go
15:34
we have a history
15:34
<pscheie>
Yes, I can appreciate that.
15:35
What OS are you running on it?
15:35
<Gadi>
hmm...
15:35
Id have to fire it up
15:36
but when I used it for Cadence, it was HP's Unix
15:36
what was it 11i
15:36
or some such
15:36
dunno - those brain cells have been killed by beer
15:36
<pscheie>
I still have one or two of my HP-UX books
15:37
11i was good. No idea what they're up to by now.
15:38
so Gadi, are you looking at getting some Raspberry Pi thingies and making thin clients out of 'em?
15:46
<Gadi>
so I can be in the USB hub business?
15:46
:)
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<pscheie>
like being in the razor blade business :-)
15:58
and giving away the razors
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16:37
<TheMatrix3000>
yea, i don't get it
16:37
no panels are working on the fat clients
16:38
<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix3000, what are the error messages?
16:39
<TheMatrix3000>
how do i get error message to pop up
16:39
cause it loads the desktop it just doesn't show panels
16:39
i can open firefox i can open everything and it work
16:39
<Hyperbyte>
Open a terminal and type 'gnome-panel'
16:40
<TheMatrix3000>
ah, wtf
16:40
now it shows
16:40
let me log off and back on then
16:41
<Hyperbyte>
If the panels work when typing 'gnome-panel', it means the panels probably don't get started somehow on login.
16:41
<abeehc_>
and .xsession-errors might ahve something interesting
16:42
maybe the sessions trying to load panels from server and runnign that command likely ran from client in fatclient land
16:43
<Gadi>
TheMatrix3000: I have had that issue (at least in a virtual machine) with 10.04
16:44
finally got fed up with trying to figure it out and created an autostart program to: sleep 5; pkill gnome-panel
16:44
if you track it down, lemme know
16:44
:)
16:49
<TheMatrix3000>
works now
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<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: so are your fat client fast? Or 1 ghz == too slow for you?
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<TheMatrix3000>
firefox is shit
17:06
lol
17:06
i found out what the problem is
17:07
no the processors are fine
17:07
its the ram
17:07
some pc's only have 512 ram
17:07
and they are also the same pc's having localapps firefox issues
17:07
and that's because they are running out of ram
17:07
server has 8gb ram
17:07
so just make firefox a server apps?
17:11
<alkisg>
With 512 mb ram clients, you should make all apps server apps :)
17:11
Now, if you have some good clients, you can use those as fat instead
17:12
My rule of thumb is, everything that has < 512 MB RAM ==> boot it as thin client, and > 512 => as fat
17:12
The FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD lts.conf variable helps there, you set it to e.g. 600 MB and it does the thin/fat separation automatically for you
17:13
And fat clients offload some CPU/RAM/network bandwidth off of your server
17:13
<TheMatrix3000>
ha really
17:13
<alkisg>
You can also have a single fat chroot, that boots both fat and thin clienst
17:13
No need for multiple chroots...
17:13
<abeehc_>
nirvana
17:14
<alkisg>
(btw, 512 mb clients work ok as fat with lighter environments, e.g. debian/lxde)
17:19
<TheMatrix3000>
ah ok
17:19
so i can push fat to everyone then
17:19
but i do need apps installed locally and on teh server the same
17:19
right?
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<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: yes, mixed-mode labs (thin+fat) is like maintaining 2 different installations: the server installation and the chroot installation
17:24
So if e.g. you want google-chrome for both thins and fats, you need to install it twice
17:26
<TheMatrix3000>
i wish there was an easier way
17:26
lol
17:28
then i can remove the "LTSP_LOCALAPPS" variable right
17:28
<markit>
alkisg: I will have to try a fat installation soon, do you have some notes that I MUST know and that will save me hours of useless tries? :)
17:29
<TheMatrix3000>
ever since firefox left their 3.* versions, they became memory monsters
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<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: I've thought of several easier ways to implement fat clients along with thin, on the same installation, but no time to try to implement them now... in a few years :)
17:34
markit: sorry, I don't keep notes, I've just written a wiki page about fat clients
17:34
:)
17:36
<markit>
alkisg: that's even greater, if up to date , thanks
17:37
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients this one?
17:37
ops
17:37
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
17:37
the updated one is this
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17:39
<markit>
alkisg: does it switch from "fat" to "thin" automatically (kubuntu 11.04) or is some improvements only you have?
17:40
<TheMatrix3000>
where again
17:41
!lts.conf
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<ltsp>
TheMatrix3000: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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17:58
<alkisg>
markit: yes, the last one. The switch from fat to thin based on RAM is upstream.
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<markit>
so will be in 11.10?
18:00
wouldn't be fine to base it on ram AND bogomips? two parameters thresold I could set?
18:00
well, I love overcomplicate things, lol
18:00
<alkisg>
markit: it's there in 10.04
18:00
So yes it'll also be in 11.10 :)
18:01
<markit>
ah, you ment "the FIRST one" of my two options
18:01
dever mind :)
18:01
<alkisg>
Usually RAM is the main factor between thin/fat, but if you want to put CPU in the mix, create an ltsp_config.d script
18:02
<markit>
is this option documented somewhere (the RAM thresold or whaterer is the correct english word)
18:02
<alkisg>
Nah real programmers don't write documentation :P :D
18:02
(some options get in the code first as "test options", and when we see that they actually work and they're useful, they're later on documented, when one find them in the code again :D)
18:02
<markit>
ehm, so is a matter of just guess the key name? maybe a little suggestion....
18:03
<alkisg>
(08:12:47 μμ) alkisg: The FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD lts.conf variable helps there, you set it to e.g. 600 MB and it does the thin/fat separation automatically for you
18:03
<markit>
maybe add one line in the wiki...
18:03
<alkisg>
Sure, go ahead :)
18:03
<markit>
so good, thanks, I do apreciate you a LOT
18:03
<alkisg>
The default is FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=300
18:03
<markit>
mmm maybe I've an account to edit wiki, last time I tried was not able, let's try again
18:04
<alkisg>
I.e. if you boot a client from a fat chroot, and it has > 300 RAM, it'll be used as fat
18:04
Anyone can edit the UbuntuLTSP wiki, but not the sourceforge wiki
18:04
<markit>
I'll try later, thanks a lot
18:04
<alkisg>
You need to ping one of the sf admins for the later, if you intent to write many docs
18:06
<markit>
btw, elementary school install had a problem you had also (I found a old post of you with google), I had US keyboard
18:06
I solved with a lts.conf parameter, instead of the chroot file
18:06
but was marked as "solved", don't know if a regression, did not happen with 10.04
18:06
<alkisg>
Since 9.10, I think, everything works if you have the correct language/keyboard layout on the server before building the chroot
18:07
Ah, maybe there was a regression with the .utf8 extension instead of UTF-8 in glib
18:07
Haven't tried anything newer than 10.04 myself...
18:09
<markit>
is so exciting be in the bleeding edge... a ton of new bugs and really few features you need
18:09
<alkisg>
Right, when I'm in the middle of a lesson I really want to have a crash so I can file a bug about KMS :)
18:09
<markit>
exactly
18:09
food time, see you later
18:09
<alkisg>
bb
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<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg: can I do the same setup with ltsp-cluster
19:10
basically have the same lts.conf settings etc
19:10
and do fat and thin clients
19:10
<alkisg>
No idea, never tried cluster. I don't think it's needed for fat clients, they have very modest server requirements.
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<TheMatrix3000>
remember i was mixing though
19:11
i had fat, and thin clients
19:14
is there a lts to make it choose x64 vs 386 vs fat vs thin?
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<alkisg>
You have 4 chroots?
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<markit>
TheMatrix3000: I've heard about ltsp clusters, but what are they for? if you have huge amount of clients in the same classroom?
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<TheMatrix3000>
no, you gave me teh ltsconf setting for fat vs thin client
19:22
nvm, it's not possible
19:22
not the way id do it
19:22
<alkisg>
You mean, to make amd64 clients boot as fat, while i386 as thin?
19:22
You can create a simple ltsp_config.d script for that
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<TheMatrix3000>
is it possible to make a script that detects a x64 client, and push a x64 image
19:25
and if it detects a i386 to push i386
19:25
also where in the world did you find FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=300
19:25
<alkisg>
I'm not sure that I understood your question. That's unrelated to fat clients, isn't it?
19:25
<TheMatrix3000>
it's not in the lts.conf man documentation
19:26
<alkisg>
You have 2 chroots, and i386 one and an amd64 one, and you want them to automatically be pushed on the right arch?
19:26
<TheMatrix3000>
yea
19:26
<alkisg>
The old way is to do this via mac address, but the newest pxelinux (syslinux) project has code for this
19:27
You can read their wiki or ask in #syslinux about it
19:27
<TheMatrix3000>
ha nice
19:27
ok, ill see in that chat
19:28
<alkisg>
http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Ifcpu64.c32
19:28
Does an amd64 chroot offer so much better speed that justifies maintaining 2 chroots for that, instead of just one i386 for all?
19:29
(and also, http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Ifcpu.c32 - I don't know which one is better)
19:29
<TheMatrix3000>
it allows memory usage above a certain amount
19:30
i would think 64bit would be faster
19:30
<alkisg>
-pae kernels see up to 64 gb RAM, you need more?
19:30
<TheMatrix3000>
oh really
19:30
i thought it was 3.7gb
19:30
in 32bi
19:30
t
19:30
<alkisg>
No, that's plain, non-pae kernels
19:31
-pae kernels for 32bit see up to 64 gb
19:31
<TheMatrix3000>
how did you get so smart alkisg
19:31
<alkisg>
I used to eat all my vegetables when I was a kid :D
19:31
<TheMatrix3000>
lol
19:31
where did you find that FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD= stuff
19:31
it's not in the lts.conf man page
19:32
<alkisg>
I implemented it for the schools here
19:32
Yes, see comments above, when we talked with markit
19:32
Feel free to document it
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<TheMatrix3000>
ah wow
19:36
<markit>
alkisg: I'm planning to use rdiff-backup to do an incremental backup every time the server is started (and there is a web interface for recovery as zip files), do you use a better solution, if any?
19:36
<TheMatrix3000>
any other secrets you aren't telling me alkisg
19:36
<markit>
TheMatrix3000: he gives us just a secret a day
19:36
so we can find our way and improve
19:37
torward the light of ltsp
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<TheMatrix3000>
well i fail at programming but im a good sysadmin
19:37
and sysadmins love documentation
19:37
i document too much
19:43
for fat in ltsp i just need to remove my localapps variables add the FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD
19:43
right? alkisg
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<alkisg>
(10:37:40 μμ) TheMatrix3000: i document too much ==> in public wikies? Or do you mean for yourself?
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<TheMatrix3000>
oh myself
19:47
private information
19:47
about our network infrastructure
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<alkisg>
If more people contributed in ltsp documentation, we'd have fewer people complaining about it :)
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<vagrantc>
i've made incremental commits here and there, but that's about it
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<thafreak>
Quick question, is there a way, like using xnest or something, to connect to an LTSP server from a normal desktop machine?
21:02
my ltsp server is running the meukow version from ubuntu...
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<vagrantc>
thafreak: it's complicated, but not impossible
21:12
thafreak: what's your goal?
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i.e. you could connect to it a variety of ways that have nothing to do with LTSP
21:17
<thafreak>
just curiousity I guess...no real goals
21:17
from what I read, it runs things over ssh right?
21:17
<vagrantc>
by default, yes, ldm logs in via ssh.
21:17
<thafreak>
so can you just like ssh -XC to the machine and run the desktop I guess?
21:18
<vagrantc>
more or less, though a lot of the features won't work (remote sound, localapps, localdevs, etc.)
21:19
if you want to emulate a full session, you could run a virtual machine as a thin client
21:19
using virtualbox, kvm or qemu
21:19
<thafreak>
yeah, I do that for testing, but for normal use, it seems kinda heavy handed...
21:20
I guess I could always install freenx on the ltsp server...just didn't know if there was an ltsp way to do it
21:20
<vagrantc>
some people use nx or vnc (or the new spice protocol?) to connect to remote sessions
21:21
<thafreak>
cool...well thanks for your help
21:21
<vagrantc>
LTSP is just a wrapper around existing technologies, for the most part
21:22
oh, you could also use rdp
21:22
i always forget about that one
21:24
<thafreak>
yeah, I've tested xrdp, it's not too bad
21:25
so far though, nx seems the best...well maybe until spice is more widespread
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<TheMatrix3000>
alkisg: i would contribute i guess, how do i get access
21:46
how do i specify 2 dns server in lts.conf
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<vagrantc>
TheMatrix3000: i think just: DNS_SERVER = server1 server2
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<TheMatrix3000>
no ,
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<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix3000, why do you need two?
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<TheMatrix3000>
failover my friend
22:17
if dns doesn't work, website navigation doesn't work
22:18
if that doesn't work we loose about 10k every hour
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actually more like 6k every hour
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based on everyones pay, and then sales not completed
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lol
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<vagrantc>
TheMatrix3000: looking at the code, everywhere i find DNS_SERVER referenced, is seems to support an arbitrary number of servers.
22:21
<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix3000, you don't have a local DNS server in your network, do you?
22:25
<TheMatrix3000>
yes because we have many local sites, and it needs to work so that we can switch servers in the case a critical service server goes down, we can modify dns and failover faster
22:25
lol
22:27
anyone recommend running LTSP-Cluster-Root on a VMWare session
22:27
it's a 8core 8gb ram system
22:28
i can assign 2gb ram to it
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<Hyperbyte>
TheMatrix3000, personally, if I made a failover for DNS, I'd make sure the failover part happens at the network routers/servers, not on the clients.
23:08
<TheMatrix3000>
it does
23:09
dns runs on the routers
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which are pfsense
23:09
i have 2 dns servers and they both basically mirror each others dns settings
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now if one goes down
23:09
its still up
23:09
cause of CARP
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<markit>
TheMatrix3000: btw, if you are interested in virtualization, and prefer give your money to support a Free project instead of greedy vmware people, have a look at http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page
23:17
<TheMatrix3000>
haha, i can't do that, unfortuately I am in a Medium Business environment and the CTO aka my boss would not let me do that
23:19
id have better luck convincing him to use kvm
23:31
<markit>
proxmox uses kvm
23:32
<TheMatrix3000>
maybe in the future
23:33
we use vmware at our colo for our external interfaces as well
23:33
and we are an INC 500 company
23:33
and was in the INC 50 in 2009
23:34
24 InsuranceAgents.com Columbus OH Insurance $11.8 million 4,582.2%
23:36
in 2010 we were #68
23:37
#3 in the insurance industry
23:38
too many changes at once can cause issues
23:38
our it is 6 people
23:38
all but 2 are programmers
23:38
and the 2 is the CTO and myself
23:41
<markit>
seems a web service... why do you use ltsp?
23:42
why = what usage do you have with it?
23:42
<TheMatrix3000>
we use it for our internal sales agents
23:42
and customer service personell
23:42
personel*
23:42
it allows us to centralize the management for all of our employees, also making IT management extremely easy
23:43
we don't waste time reinstalling windows, or dealing with licensing
23:44
we sell a service to insurance agents
23:44
our sales dept is 80% of our company
23:52
<markit>
lucky you are not victim of M$ lock-in... no M$office compatibility problems? No indispensable programs that run only on M$crapware?
23:53
<TheMatrix3000>
nope
23:54
we actually use Google Apps for most stuff
23:54
and the only people with M$ is the Accounting Dept
23:54
which requires Excel for specific accounting spreadsheets
23:54
and banking sites
23:54
Check readers don't work easily on ubuntu lol
23:54
with banking sites haha
23:58
all of our applications have been custom web developed by our programmers
23:58
and myself for some minor things
23:58
I developed recently an intranet site, and use it for ticketing, asset tracking, and employee databases