IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 17 October 2011   (all times are UTC)

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12:55
<RobL>
Does anyone have experience troublshooting NBD? Since upgrading to ubuntu oneiric (11.10), I'm getting an error nbd0: Wrong magic (0x25609513) mounting the squashfs image
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<_UsUrPeR_>
/join #waynestatelug
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19:16
<JoshMalone>
So, "Thank You" to all LTSP folks for making my job SO much easier last week :)
19:18
Saved me from having to commit to imaging 32 optiplexes for multiple meetings
19:22
<Hyperbyte>
:)
19:23
And to pay the community back, you are of course going to write documentation, or contribute code, or donate to the developer meeting? ;-)
19:26
<JoshMalone>
Happy to contribute my internal docs for setup of my k12linux server and chroot
19:26
Does the "community" get anything back from sales of thin clients from diskless?
19:27
(just curious)
19:29
<stgraber>
we get a free dinner at the hackfest ;)
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19:36
<Hyperbyte>
JoshMalone, you're using Fedora? Or RHEL?
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<JoshMalone>
Sorry - meeting
20:00
We use RHEL
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<vagrantc>
knipwim: i see you tagged an ltsp version ... i didn't know gentoo used versions :)
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<stgraber>
hmm, I'm wondering how many bugs we got reported on the distro side because of people setting LDM_XSESSION when they should indeed change LDM_SESSION...
20:16
I'm planning on porting ldm from gtk2 to gtk3 at the hackfest, might as well drop LDM_XSESSION from the code at the same time, to make sure whoever really wants to change it as to do it in the shell code
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<JoshMalone>
ack! I don't think RHEL supports gtk3? Unless I'm wrong
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<alkisg>
How much time do we have at the hackfest for actual coding?
20:24
(aside from talking, planning etc... :))
20:26
<JoshMalone>
how would a company go about sponsoring something for the hackfest?
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<pscheie>
JoshMalone, I think you would want to talk to jammcq about that, but he's not here right now.
20:30
<stgraber>
alkisg: as much as we want :) we don't really have a schedule. We usually end up doing a bit of planning and talking on the Friday morning, the rest is usually coding/talking/eating/drinking/walking outside
20:30
<alkisg>
Sounds relaxing ;)
20:31
<stgraber>
JoshMalone: I don't think it does but it's not really a big concern for me as an upstream for ldm. The maintainer can still backport any fixes they want.
20:31
JoshMalone: if we have to wait 7 years every time we want to change something upstream, we'd be kind of stuck :)
20:31
<JoshMalone>
yeah
20:31* JoshMalone knows the pain of living in a 5 to 7-year-old distro
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<stgraber>
I'll just make sure any distro that ships with LTSP will have gtk3 in their next release, but I'm pretty sure it's the case, at least for Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora. I'm guessing Gentoo has gtk3 too and I don't really care about OpenSUSE.
20:36
<JoshMalone>
I actually switched to a Mac rather than continue dealing with RHEL anymore
20:37
<dberkholz>
yeah, gentoo's had it in our main repo since march
20:37
<vagrantc>
stgraber: isn't LDM_XSESSION used because it's in a different location on every distro?
20:37
<stgraber>
perfect, then there won't be any issue for the port
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: hrm?
20:38
ah, gtk3
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: hmm, doing a grep for LDM_XSESSION doesn't show us setting different value depending on the distro
20:39
vagrantc: we have a fallback in the screen.d script that goes through every possible location and guess the right one
20:39
vagrantc: I'd keep that one as it's, just drop the ability of overriding it from lts.conf
20:39
vagrantc: so whoever really really really wants to do it will have to change the screen.d script
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<vagrantc>
ugh.
20:40
<stgraber>
where we can put a big scary warning ;)
20:40
<vagrantc>
just because of a bug that some users are spreading misinformation about?
20:40
it seems like a bad way to disable a feature
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<stgraber>
well, disabling it is the easy way of avoiding weird distro bugs, another alternative is to rename it to something that actually tells the user what it's
20:41
currently we have LDM_SESSION and LDM_XSESSION. The first one is fine, the second one should never be touched
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and the difference between the two isn't really clear
20:42
maybe renaming LDM_XSESSION to LDM_XSESSION_SCRIPT or something similar would be better than disabling the feature entirely
20:43
that'd make any existing hack fail and be hard enough to guess so people have to go look at the doc
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<vagrantc>
LDM_XSESSION should be legitimately used if the client and server being logged into have different Xsession script locations
20:43
not that that's a common use-case, but it exists for a reason
20:44
whatever happened to the idea of having ldminfod display the appropriate session?
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20:44
<stgraber>
kind-of. We could deprecate it by moving that code to a X9* script and have it check for the X11 location using the ssh tunnel
20:45
which would work even if the chroot and target don't run the same distro
20:45* vagrantc feels deja-vu
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<stgraber>
I'm guessing we didn't move it to ldminfod because we try not to depend on it. You should still be able to login on a server that doesn't have any ldm/ltsp packages installed
20:46
<vagrantc>
all this has happened before
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<stgraber>
based on a very quick check of the code, the current LDM_XSESSION guessing code has been introduced in r870 (2008-05-04) when we pretty much didn't have any rc.d script (only S01-setup-xauth)
20:48
and certainly didn't have the X9* scripts where we have the guarantee that we have an ssh master socket that we can use to poke the server
20:49
so my guess is that back then we would have either done it in screen.d/ldm as we currently have it or would have moved that code into ldm's C code which would explain why we ended up having it in screen.d/ldm (trying not to move everything in C)
20:50
<vagrantc>
sounds feasible.
20:50
i haven't checked ~/.dmrc in a while ... is that broken too?
20:50
<stgraber>
might be worth asking Scotty, he appears to be the one who wrote that code and also the one who introduced most of the ssh magic :)
20:51
last I tried the .dmrc code it was working fine, but that was a while ago. I'm actually wondering if lightdm/gdm3 may have broken their use of .dmrc and so broke our parser...
20:51
<vagrantc>
gah
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<stgraber>
because .dmrc should be a valid desktop file, and the one on my machine doesn't have a Exec or TryExec entry which would likely fail with our parser (and isn't spec compliant IIRC)
20:53
<alkisg>
stgraber: it appears that lightdm writes the locale in the user's ~/.profile!
20:54
It doesn't read or write dmrc, with a quick test I did with oneiric
20:54
<stgraber>
alkisg: fun...
20:54
<alkisg>
Ah sorry no that was gnome-language-support, ignore me
20:54
gnome-language-support writes to ~/.profile
20:54
<stgraber>
http://paste.ubuntu.com/711336/ is my dmrc here
20:54
<alkisg>
And lightdm doesn't write/write .dmrc I think
20:55
<stgraber>
mine got change 6 days ago, which matches my last session open time
20:55
*changed
20:56
and I only have lightdm on this laptop, so apparently it at least touches it
20:56
now whether or not it writes something useful and valid in it is a completely different question :)
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<cliebow>
yo ho ho
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<andygraybeals>
heya cliebow
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<cliebow>
heyhey!
23:27
whats up down your way
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or whatd going down up your way..
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<andygraybeals>
ah man, things are good. oils bubblin' up on my land so mebbe i'm rich, maybe not. we'll see. what else.. i'm trying to edit some dhcpd.conf in pfsense and trying to get some help with zarafa resources in zentyal
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<cliebow>
goog old mstik1 is still staying handy..
23:29
<andygraybeals>
that's what i've been working on today;
23:29
<cliebow>
holy crap i have no idea what that means
23:29
i forget where you are
23:30
<andygraybeals>
yea, same. i'm in southeastern ohio, how about you?
23:30
<cliebow>
maine..bar harbor area
23:30
<andygraybeals>
nice, we live right near that big river. :)
23:30
<cliebow>
i think the group is coming up next weekend..jim scottie..alkisg ogra
23:31
<andygraybeals>
actually 2 junctions up.. ohio meets the hocking meets jordan run creek
23:31
aah nice man
23:31
<cliebow>
you get out boating at all?
23:31
<andygraybeals>
nawp man, i can't afford that.. but i'd like to get me a canoe
23:32
<cliebow>
i have a 500.00 thirteen foot whaler for myself..and skipper a bigger boat where i actually get paid
23:32
half time
23:32
<andygraybeals>
oh nice man, your professional mariner?
23:33
13ft is damn huge up on the harbor.
23:33
<cliebow>
well..going on forty years..but i am more or less full time at school..use up my vacation time doing the boat
23:33
<andygraybeals>
nice man, what profession... sport fishing?
23:34
<cliebow>
only chance to get head above water when can log 12 hour days
23:34
ohh excursion boat in cadia national park
23:34
<andygraybeals>
explain what excursion means?
23:34
nat.parks rule :)
23:34
<cliebow>
we take people out past the lighthouses..osprey nest..seal ledges
23:35
<andygraybeals>
ah joy riding
23:35
that's nice man, to get paid for that!
23:35
<cliebow>
in to Islesford to the musrum..then up the former fjord
23:35
dinner boat evenings to slesford dock restaurant
23:35
<andygraybeals>
sounds like a nice way to get a look at things.
23:36
<cliebow>
nice meld with the it job..
23:36
<andygraybeals>
yea, we just bought 19 acres... and found out we got oil
23:36
<cliebow>
my ltsp went by the wayside when the schools went one to one with apple
23:36
<andygraybeals>
it's mostly woods and we got two big hills, huge rocks, plenty of copperheads.
23:37
<cliebow>
Wow..that is pretty cool
23:37
i thought you were pulling my leg
23:37
<andygraybeals>
naw, i'm never serious, so it's rightful thinking
23:37
<cliebow>
hehehe
23:37
<andygraybeals>
btu for real, it is happening
23:38
so you work at a school?
23:38
<cliebow>
so yuo sysadmin at a school?
23:38
<andygraybeals>
naw, i work at a restaurant and we use ltsp caues it's cheap and i'm lazy
23:38
cheap, as in cost, not as in quality; hardly so.,
23:39
<cliebow>
yeah i am senior guy in rsu24..most of hancock couny..an hour one end to the other..
23:39
firewalls.. vpn
23:39
<andygraybeals>
it's a workhorse.. and the people i work with are too strung out to learn anything worth knowing, so i can spoon feed them to some degree easy enough with ltsp
23:39
nice
23:39
<cliebow>
yes.. having reimaged 1600 laptops three times this summer when one instal with ltsp would do the same thing
23:40
so i had to go to the dark sde and get apple certified
23:40
so icould replace the screens the little bastards break
23:41
like 100 since christmas
23:41
more than that now..
23:41
<andygraybeals>
i used to wokr for the state; rehab and correction... delt with like 16 prisons in this quadrant of the state... god fed up with it when they wanted me to start takin' piss tests.. then left for california to get a sysadmin job that signed me a waiver saying all is good even if i had marijuana related felonies.. then got to strung out on the fun to be had there.. and came back here.. got the job at the restaurant.
23:41
omg apple certs.
23:41
aah technician certs.. okay.
23:42
<cliebow>
yeah.. i have to do random drug tests for my captains licens..do t and all
23:42
<andygraybeals>
thta's cool man.. my dad is cert'd in dell and ibm.. (lenovo)
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<cliebow>
i tried to get my boss interested in getting us dell certified..but she has too much on her plate..they run her raged
23:43
ragged
23:43
<andygraybeals>
ragged... and raged :)
23:43
<cliebow>
i dont know how she copes..and with three kids under 10
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23:44
<andygraybeals>
oh man, she sounds like a saint
23:44
<cliebow>
good natured..though not well versed in IT..
23:44
<andygraybeals>
yea, the service docs you get access to when your cert'd .. man i wish they had those open to the public, it's so sad. life could be better. it's like they don't want us to get ahead.
23:45
<cliebow>
but classroom vet..the service docs are awessome..and drop me a line if you need a hand with macbooks
23:45
cliebow at rsu24.org
23:45
<andygraybeals>
yea, awesome man
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23:46
<andygraybeals>
you heard of zentyal? it's trying to be the linux version of MS Small Business Server
23:46
<cliebow>
i have not..iam so far out of the loop
23:47
so smaba server dhccp..
23:47
<andygraybeals>
tries to integrate a bunch of different services... all tied to the auth of a ldap server
23:47
<cliebow>
oooh.. i am opeldap guy
23:47
<andygraybeals>
yea, asterisk, jabber, firewall
23:47
it's got the email postfix/dovecot and you can run groupware like zarafa.. or just the webclient, roundcube
23:48
zarafa gives you the 'outlook' feel
23:48
<cliebow>
wow..zarafa roundube.. i havnt a clue..so far out of the loop
23:48
<andygraybeals>
i'm hapy it ties it all together with ldap.. cause it makes things so much easier. they got big plans for the project too. it doesn't feel all that mature yet.
23:48
oh man, roundcube is just like squirrelmail on steroids
23:49
<cliebow>
you mean zentyal?
23:49
<andygraybeals>
zarafa is like... outlook gone linux web interface.
23:49
yea, i'm gtalking about zentyal.
23:49
that's what i meant when i mean it's not totally mature yet
23:49
<cliebow>
i Really need to get back in the loop
23:50
we are stuck with firstclass..nothing sexy there..
23:50
<andygraybeals>
like.. i can't get resources to work in the calendar.. so if i wanted to use a 'meeting room' or a 'projector' .... i can't get that configured.. zarafa supports it in the ldap.. but i don't know enough how to configur it into zentyal.. and no one has answered any of my questions yet on the forum in regards.
23:50
ah, tell me about firstclass?
23:51
<cliebow>
proprietary mail clint collaborative software
23:51
<andygraybeals>
ah evil
23:51
<cliebow>
yep..
23:51
<andygraybeals>
does it support atleast mbox or mailbox format?
23:51
*support
23:52
well i guess it's more important just to be able to back things up :)
23:52
<cliebow>
i built both of my openldap servers..one for citrix and a new one for printing
23:52
<andygraybeals>
and hope they don't screw you in the future.
23:52
damn man, that is hot.. i wish i could have them skills. one day :)
23:53
<cliebow>
it is very expensive..but that is not my call..i presented zimbra but they didnt take the hook
23:53
<andygraybeals>
tell me about the one for printing? is it an auth?
23:53
<cliebow>
strictly auth mechanism for
23:53
err
23:53
papercut
23:53
to track orinting costs
23:53
<andygraybeals>
nice man
23:54
what printers do you guys got?
23:55
<cliebow>
the papercut only auths via an attempted bind to the database with the credentials..no bind..no authentication..stupid that way
23:56
bosslady just signed a contract with acopi and kyocera..so ten schhols with kyocera..ripped out all the hp4200
23:56
<andygraybeals>
aah.. hmm...
23:56
i don't know kyocera, i would be scared without HPs
23:57
actually i just got sick of HP and bought a brother... both are crap
23:57
we'll see which one lasts longer.
23:58
the cheaper equipment they sell to small businesses is really crap (printers)
23:58
<cliebow>
i am..we have little chips..rfid..you swpe em..it reads a nimber and jobs are released based on the nimber
23:58
<andygraybeals>
that sounds neat :)
23:59
<cliebow>
would be if i d had a complete list of users..we are chasing are tails getting the last of them in the openldap server
23:59
I CAN T PRINT..Jesus i am tired of hearing that
23:59
<andygraybeals>
omg.. concurrent accounting!!!!
23:59
nightmare