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Channel log from 19 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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00:49* vagrantc continues to experience ugly hard drive failures
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01:42
<vagrantc>
this is why i work with diskless technologies.
01:44
<nick125_lappy>
Hahah
01:44
You could start using SSDs
01:44
<vagrantc>
sounds tempting...
01:45
are they reasonably priced?
01:45
yet
01:45
<nick125_lappy>
not really :(
01:46* vagrantc could use really durable technology
01:47
<vagrantc>
that'd be more important to me than power
01:47
<nick125_lappy>
I know sandisk makes a 32GB SSD, but, I can't find it on their site
01:48
it looks like they only sell them to OEMs
01:49
In the 8 years I've been working with computers, I've only had 1 hard drive failure
01:50
actually, almost 9 years
01:50
<vagrantc>
if there weren't hard drive failures, i would have never started lessdisks, which eventually turned into my involvement with ltsp :)
01:50
but i mostly work with used equipment
01:50
<nick125_lappy>
The reason I'm interested in diskless stuff is because the noise of hard drives
01:51
<vagrantc>
noise, power, heat...
01:51
all interrelated
01:53
<nick125_lappy>
Taking the hard drive out of machines makes them so much quieter, even with the standard fans and so on
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<mistik1>
nick125_lappy: I never really knew just how much noise my computers made until I worked in an office with pure thin-clients
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
morning 4 * #ltsp | buenos dias para todos #ltsp
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<pscheie>
morning all
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<Jenna>
morning
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08:48
<zzaza>
hi all
08:49
<Jenna>
hey zzaza . gabor ?
08:53
<zzaza>
Jenna, hi
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09:00
<zzaza>
Any one here with experience of xterminal installation with a KWort linux
09:01
Kwort is a slackware based distro
09:03
<cliebow_>
there are a few notes on wiki..
09:04
for slack
09:04
!wiki
09:04
<ltspbot>
cliebow_: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
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09:04
<Jenna>
hey cliebowy
09:07
<cliebow_>
Hey Jennay 8~)
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09:08
<Jenna>
hehe
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09:16
<jammcq>
Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
09:17
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq!!!
09:17
<Jenna>
hey jammcqy , sbalneavy
09:17
<ogra>
scottiee !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
09:17
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra
09:18
<ogra>
sbalneav, you have probs with pulse ?1?
09:18
<sbalneav>
Yeah! I was testing last week's build, and I had a bunch of problems, got a minute?
09:18
<ogra>
sure
09:18
whicvh ltsp-client version is in the chropot ?
09:18
<sbalneav>
ok, here's what I ran into from thursday's -server iso:
09:18
<ogra>
*chroot
09:20
<sbalneav>
1) chroot failed to build on install.
09:20
<ogra>
oh ?
09:20
please check the ltsp version
09:20
<sbalneav>
yeah, failed with a return code of 1
09:20
<ogra>
5.0.2 had a lot of fixes
09:21
might be that you still have 5.0.1 on the cd
09:21
<sbalneav>
but, after a reboot, I rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386, and ltsp-build-client, and it worked fine.
09:21
<ogra>
right, 5.0.2 had some dependency changes that should sort the CD
09:21
<sbalneav>
So, I was going to re-check on the weekend, but the i386 iso's didn't rebuild.
09:21
<ogra>
its there now
09:22
the kernel was out of sync with d-i
09:22
then i386 usually doesnt build
09:22
<sbalneav>
ah, ok, well, I'll re-try the new iso tonight.
09:22
2nd problem:
09:22
<ogra>
and please file bugs ...
09:22
its very critical that i get everything done until thu ...
09:23
(beta release is somewhat locking me in)
09:23* ogra listens
09:24
<sbalneav>
Yes, will do, wanted to run them by you first. Second, it didn't pick up the second network card config. My primary network card dhcp resolved to a 10.0.0.x ip, the "free" card should have been set to 192.168.0.254, correct?
09:24
<ogra>
yep
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09:24
<sbalneav>
Network mangler seemed to be at the bottom of that one.
09:24
<ogra>
by the installer, after ltsp-build-client finished properly
09:24
that should be fixed as well with fridays CDs
09:24
<sbalneav>
Ah, ok, maybe since ltsp-build-clieent failed, that bit buggered up.
09:25
<ogra>
NM is da evil
09:25
<sbalneav>
ok, I'll re-try the iso's tonight.
09:25
<ogra>
but i need it for the liveCD, so it has to stay in -desktop
09:25
<sbalneav>
3) pulse wasn't starting.
09:26
if I MANUALLY started it on the workstation with the same options in the startup, it worked.
09:26
<ogra>
SOUND=True was set ?
09:26
<sbalneav>
Yep.
09:26
<ogra>
or Y or Yes or whatever :)
09:26
(boolean handling got a lot better thanks to vagrant)
09:27
thats weird ...
09:27
<sbalneav>
Yes, it was set. I didn't do too much debugging, I'll track it down tonight.
09:27
<ogra>
i havent seen it failing since weeks
09:27
actually since i added the fixed options to the initscript
09:27
<sbalneav>
ok, I'll run it down tonight.
09:28
<ogra>
i just did an ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom with fridays iso ...
09:28
<sbalneav>
Finally, yeah, the handbook didn't have all the work I had done, so I'm updating a few more things. I lost my svn access when it moved from hedgemages server to the docteams server, so I'll finish that off today, and email LaserJock the diff
09:28
<cliebow_>
d-i..could you elaborate? i see this in vendor encapsulated options in both ppc and i386
09:29
<ogra>
no breakage ...
09:29
cliebow_,debian-installer
09:29
<sbalneav>
Since he has access
09:29
<cliebow_>
was hoping to differentiate between ppc and i386 root-path using this bit no dice..
09:29
<ogra>
sbalneav, what i saw looked like an old 4.0 howto or something
09:30
talking about xfree 3.something etc
09:30
<sbalneav>
Yeah, well, I brought across a buch of the 4.x docs that we did, and then started updating them to fit with the new 5.0 way of things.
09:30
<ogra>
right
09:30
and i already saw a different version from you ... thats why i rang the bell :)
09:30
<sbalneav>
:)
09:32
<pscheie>
sbalneav: did you see the message on the list from Jim Kronebusch asking about LDA on PPC clients?
09:32
<cliebow_>
i did
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09:32
<pscheie>
and?
09:32
is it mostly an issue of getting fuse to work on ppc?
09:32
<ogra>
sbalneav, dou you still have the install you tested ?
09:32
i'd be intrested in /var/log/installer/syslog
09:33
<sbalneav>
ogra: I do, it's at home. I'm at work at the morning.
09:33
<ogra>
please send it to me
09:33
<sbalneav>
I'll send it to you tonight.
09:33
<pscheie>
cliebow_: any ideas on the vncreflector with ppc problem?
09:33
<ogra>
(ne3eds to change permissions first, its root owned and 0600)
09:33
<cliebow_>
pscheie, havnt had a chjance to look at it..as if that would help...
09:34
<ogra>
whats wrong with fuse on ppc ? works here
09:34
(snce edgy already)
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09:34
<pscheie>
ogra: I thought I saw that, but couldn't find it at the moment;
09:34
<sbalneav>
pscheie: Which list, I'm not seeing it.
09:34
<pscheie>
ltsp
09:35
I got it on 3/16 at 2:04pm
09:35* ogra doesnt see it either and thought he was subscribed to all ltsp lists
09:36
<pscheie>
basically he asked what it would take to get lda and fl_teachertool working w/ppc clients
09:36
for lda, the important piece is fuse, and you built the rest, right?
09:36
<cliebow_>
i dont know what package has vnc.so...used to be xvnc4viewer i theenk
09:37
<pscheie>
for fl_teachertool, it needs vncreflector for the monitor and control pieces
09:37
which get all the "Oooh" and "Ah!" responses in demos
09:38
<cliebow_>
vnc4-common perhaps? ..installed in the chroot?
09:38
<pscheie>
Daniel Howard posted a note to schoolforge about a school using a webcam with fl_tt to do the same thing as a smartboard but for less $ and more functionality
09:38
down in Atlanta
09:39
a LOT less $
09:39
using thin clients
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<sbalneav>
ogra: new artwork looks awesome, btw. usplash screen is 1x10^100 times better.
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<ogra>
:)
09:46
thanks
09:47
i liked the yellow/orange ... but this time we're less saturated :)
09:47
so it doesnt hurt your eyes ;)
09:48
<sbalneav>
The yellow/orange was just toooooo much. Plus, there wasn't enough contrast on the progress bar.
09:48
<ogra>
yeah
09:49
i'm looking forward to have the svg support in ldm, then we can mimic the new gdm theme
09:49
it looks very cool imho
09:49
<sbalneav>
You know that yellow/orange colouring psycologically makes you hungry, right? Thats why all fast food places have colour schemes based on that.
09:49
i.e. mcdonalds, burger king, etc.
09:50
<ogra>
we should starting to send out CDs plkus burgers then through shipit :)
09:51
<sbalneav>
You've complained to me a couple of times about gaining weight in the last few years. Now we know why. :)
09:51
<pscheie>
put the CDs in Happy Meals
09:51
<sbalneav>
Replace the patty with an edubuntu cd.
09:51
It'd be more nutricious anyway.
09:52
:)
09:52
<ogra>
pscheie, awesome idea, i'll forward it to our marketing dept. ;)
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10:04
<cliebow_>
pscheie, havnt put my finger on anyhing..
10:04
<pscheie>
I haven't had time to dig into it either
10:04
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
OT : someone can hit and see the website www.sld.cu ?
10:06
<pscheie>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: it's slow as molasses; got just the title so far
10:06
<ogra>
sbalneav, btw, did you test the edubuntu iso or ubuntu ? ubuntu might not have a -386 kernel anymore ...
10:07
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
pscheie: be pacient .. i need slow before nothing
10:07
<cliebow_>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, slow
10:07
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
but show ?
10:07
<pscheie>
not yet...
10:07
okay, it just came up
10:08
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
cool
10:12
<gepatino>
hi, i'm stuck trying to convert a client into a print server, using edgy
10:12
it was working when using dapper + ltsp 4, but cant make it work using edgy
10:13
i' ve tried to follow the initscripts, and everything looks ok, but lp_server is not loaded in the terminal
10:14
<ogra>
gepatino, check if the parport and lp modules are loaded on the running client ...
10:16
<gepatino>
ok ...
10:16
<ogra>
some HW seems not to be able to report the existence of the parallelport to the kernel properly so it doesnt load these mods ... which results in the device not existing, which in turn means lp_server wont start
10:16
<gepatino>
parport is loaed, but not lp
10:16
<ogra>
load lp
10:16
<gepatino>
i 'll try loading lp
10:16
<ogra>
if that works, just add it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules, that should solve the issue
10:17
jammcq, woah, ltsp-update-kernels gotr scary quiet .... i just thought something failed
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10:18
<dem>
ogra: do you have the code for the latest version of ltsp(5) for ubuntu availble somewhere?
10:18
<gepatino>
isn't it the same to load i from MODULE_nn directive in lts.conf?
10:18
(load it, sorry)
10:19
<ogra>
dem, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp
10:19
gepatino, /etc/modules is faster ... doesnt require an extra cycle in the initscdript ;
10:19
*initscript
10:20
<gepatino>
ok, but /etc/modules is used for every client, isn't it?
10:20
<ogra>
yes
10:20
but if the HJW doesnt exists the module will simply not load
10:20
*HW
10:21
<dem>
ogra: awesome, thx
10:23
<ogra>
sbalneav, jammcq, for the UDS it will be required that we'll have the specs ready in advance this time ... we should probably do a meeting or something to discuss in advance what we want ...
10:30
<gepatino>
ogra, it still doesn't print... thanks anyway, i'll try to get the client loggin in the server. is lp_server supposed to log anything?
10:32
<ogra>
add SYSLOG=server to your lts.conf and enable -r in /etc/default/syslog ...
10:32
that should puzt all logging into 7var/log/syslog on the server
10:34* vagrantc wonders if it isn't SYSLOG_HOST
10:34
<ogra>
hmm, might be :)
10:35
i dont have to set that anymore, its in my default file for edubuntu since feisty ...
10:35
<gepatino>
i've already done that, thanks... but it appears to be that lp_server doesn' t have anything to say :(
10:36
<ogra>
nope, its SYSLOG=server ... but simply because our boolean handling sucked in edgy i guess :) ...
10:36
<vagrantc>
heh.
10:36
or is it SYSLOG=?*
10:37
i still have that pending syslog related patch for debian ...
10:37
<gepatino>
lp_server is running, parport and lp loaded, but no sheet going out of the printer....
10:37
<ogra>
SYSLOG=something would work too ... as long as you dont set SYSLOG_HOST it will default to "server"
10:37
gentgeen__, how did you set up the printer ?
10:38
err gepatino
10:38
(on the desktop i mean)
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10:38
<gepatino>
no err... the jobs appear as printing or queued
10:38
<Guest801>
hello ...
10:38
i m bip
10:38
connetcing from location
10:39
<gepatino>
connection shuld be through hp direct, isn t it?
10:39
<Guest801>
i have a old k laptop i wanna turn into a thin client here
10:39
<ogra>
gepatino, did you use gnome-cups-manager to set it up ?
10:39
<Guest801>
k6 laptop
10:39
<ogra>
yes, it should be handled as hp jetdirect printer ... by default on port 9100
10:39
<Guest801>
it doesnt boot from network so i uess imust use etherboot and floppies right ?
10:40
hi ogra
10:40
its the first time i need to etherboot so i have soe basic questions ...
10:41
<gepatino>
ogra: yes, i've used gnome-cups-manager
10:41
<Guest801>
will this network card support it ?
10:41
<ogra>
works fine here for me with my deskjet510 testprinter ...
10:41
Guest801, rom-o-matic should be able to tell you
10:42
<gepatino>
Guest801: you can check the cards that works at rom-o-matic.net
10:42
oh.. late
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<gepatino>
this printer problem is weird... the same machine was workin on friday, befor i reinstalled the server using edgy+ltsp
10:42
<Guest801>
it s a 32-bit CardBus 10/100Mbps Nway Fast Ethernet PC Card
10:43
<ogra>
gepatino, can you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot (see topic)
10:43
?
10:43
<Guest801>
ok so i check rom-o-matic docs first right ogra ?
10:43
<cliebow_>
Guest801, get a pci id?
10:43
<ogra>
Guest801, cardbus cards will versy likely not work ...
10:44
<Guest801>
ok
10:44
so i better get ready to buy a new one
10:44
<cliebow_>
we had a flop\
10:44
<Guest801>
the problemis that this laptop has got no onboard nic
10:44
<cliebow_>
that initialized pc cards..
10:44
<ogra>
well, i dont know of any cardbus or other pcmcia cards that can netboot ...
10:44
<Guest801>
so i can buys a new nic
10:44
<cliebow_>
but it is ancient and now thew kernel is so large it wownt fit
10:44
on as flop
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10:45
<Guest801>
mm what about using a cliebow ?
10:45
<cliebow_>
?
10:45
<Guest801>
ok thyea cd ...
10:45
<pscheie>
Guest801: if the laptop still has a working hard drive, you could install kernel there that supports pccard
10:45
<Guest801>
sorry
10:46
it has a hd running windows now
10:46
so the problem is size
10:46
<pscheie>
make it dual boot?
10:47
<Guest801>
well it has a very small hd
10:47
<pscheie>
you only need a few MBs for the linux partition
10:47
<Guest801>
and i m not interested in having it as a dual boot system it s really too slow to be useful running windws
10:47
<vagrantc>
Guest801: you can't spare 5-10MB for the linux kernel and initramfs image?
10:47
<pscheie>
then wipe the windows
10:48
<Guest801>
i want just to turn it into a diskless terminal
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<pscheie>
Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:48
<Gadi>
howdy
10:48
<pscheie>
been waiting for you!
10:48
<Guest801>
yes vagrantc i thnk i can scrap a few mb for linux boot up
10:48
<Gadi>
uh oh
10:48
<vagrantc>
Guest801: wipe windows and put a linux kernel on it, and hack the initramfs image to support pcmcia cards.
10:48* Gadi starts fumbling for his keys
10:48
<pscheie>
I got an ebox 2300 just the other day
10:49
it has a SiS7019 sound
10:49
<vagrantc>
Guest801: the hard part will be adding support for pcmcia cards ...
10:49
<Gadi>
pscheie: sounds like ur gonna be rolling kernel mods...
10:49
;)
10:49
<ogra>
an ubuntu initramfs shouold support pcmcia out of the box ... but you need to teach it to use / from nfs :)
10:49
<Gadi>
cheaper aint always better :)
10:49
<pscheie>
I got Barry Cisna's snd-sis7019.ko module off the k12ltsp wiki
10:49
<Guest801>
mmm
10:50
<Gadi>
ah, ok
10:50
<Guest801>
ok lemme understand
10:50
<pscheie>
it works with the default sound package from 4.2
10:50
<Guest801>
pc card support is toolarge to fit into afloppy right
10:50
<ogra>
yes
10:50
<pscheie>
but with your oss-alsa package, the driver loads but then I get a bunch of alsa errors and no sound
10:51
can you point me in the direction I need to go to fix this?
10:51
<Guest801>
so i need to fiure a way to boot from hd mybe after slightly shrinkin windows right ?
10:51
<Gadi>
pscheie: thats bizarre - it appears to be an alsa module
10:51
<Guest801>
i can t just wipeit because its bein used right now
10:51
<Gadi>
but, maybe I know one thing it might be
10:51
<pscheie>
I thought so, too, but figured I just didn't grok how it all fits together
10:51
<Gadi>
pscheie: what kind of errors do you see?
10:52
<pscheie>
lsmod shows the module is loaded
10:52
<Gadi>
and are you using the same kernel as he did?
10:52
<Guest801>
is this the same with every pc card ?
10:52
or some of emr better at net booting ?
10:52
<pscheie>
client kernel you mean? yes
10:52
<Gadi>
so, what kind of errors are they?
10:53
<pscheie>
hold on, gotta plug it in...
10:53
<gepatino>
ogra: is it any special requirement for lp_server to work, memory, for example? this is an _old_ machine (pentium mmx, 16 Mb) but worked with ltsp 4
10:54
<vagrantc>
Guest801: pc cards, as a rule, are pretty bad with net booting
10:54
<Guest801>
r we talkin about this ?
10:54
<ogra>
oh207, indeed, set NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf ... so you have network swapspace, 16Mb is way to small
10:54
<Guest801>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootingFromLocalDevice
10:55
<gepatino>
ogra: NBD_SWAP is on
10:55
<ogra>
gepatino, our minimal req for ltsp5 is 32M .... you are lucky it even boots
10:55
recommended are 48M and more ...
10:55
<Guest801>
vagrantc i m bip this my first real deployement and alli have got is this old laptop with pc card
10:56
<ogra>
64 should be qa good value to get all features without swapping
10:56
<Guest801>
so i should get it to boot somehow vagrantc
10:56
;-)
10:56
every pc card vagrantc ?
10:56
or some r bettern then other ?
10:56
<vagrantc>
Guest801: you'd probably save many days of your life by simply finding something else.
10:56
<ogra>
yeah
10:57
<vagrantc>
Guest801: i would cut your losses now.
10:57
<Guest801>
a different client u mean vagrantc ?
10:57
or a different card ?
10:57
what s your wise advice vagrantc ?
10:58
<vagrantc>
Guest801: get a client with a network bootable nic.
10:58
<gepatino>
ogra: well.. it works, and since it' s supposed to be only a print server (no gui, SCREEN_7=shell) it seems to work quite fine
10:58
<vagrantc>
Guest801: which pretty much means, not a pc card.
10:58
<ogra>
ah, k
10:58
<gepatino>
well, not that fine, it doesn't print
10:58
:)
10:58
<ogra>
if you run it without X the reqs are way less indeed
10:58
<Guest801>
and this client cannot be a laptopwith a pc card right vagrantc ?
10:58
<ogra>
and without sounds and localdev support :)
10:59
<Guest801>
ok
10:59
<ogra>
these three are the memory hogs ...
10:59
<vagrantc>
Guest801: that it my recommendation, yes.
10:59
<Guest801>
ok
10:59
<ogra>
gepatino, can you cat some text directly to /dev/lp0 to get output ?
10:59
<Guest801>
i have 2 problems here:
10:59
<vagrantc>
Guest801: i have long wanted pc card support, but it's getting less and less relevent as they become more and more obsolete.
10:59
<ogra>
(on the client console)
11:00
<Guest801>
1 they have verylimited budget so reusing what they already have voul be the best bet
11:00
<vagrantc>
Guest801: what's the budget for your time?
11:00
Guest801: do not undervalue your time.
11:01
<Guest801>
2 they have limited desk space so a laptop wa the bet thing to use
11:01
well i have already spent somany hours on this project that a couple days more wont make any difference va
11:01
<gepatino>
ogra: i'll try cating something to /dev/lp0
11:01
<Guest801>
well i have already spent somany hours on this project that a couple days more wont make any difference vagrantc
11:01
i just wonder if it s doable
11:02
i don t mind speding some time on it
11:02
<vagrantc>
it is doable, it just may take a few days or weeks or months
11:02
<Guest801>
days ok
11:02
months or week are not
11:02
they need to be upand runing in a coupleof weeks
11:02* vagrantc will not repeat vagrantc's recommendations
11:03
<Guest801>
yeah
11:03
<ogra>
its a huge amount of work, but if you know exactly what you are doing you might be able to do it in days ...
11:03
<Guest801>
i got your point
11:03
<vagrantc>
yeah
11:03
<ogra>
if not weeks or months are a better guess
11:03
<Guest801>
well
11:03
<vagrantc>
what ogra said
11:03
<Guest801>
i know what i m doing
11:03
but i dont know it exactly
11:03
<vagrantc>
Guest801: how much customizing of initramfs images have you done?
11:03
<ogra>
you are very edxperienced in building kernels and making them use nfs roots ?
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11:03
<Guest801>
none vagrantc
11:04
<ogra>
so go for weeks
11:04
<Guest801>
no i am not ogra
11:04
i know what u r talin about
11:04
so i m not totally clueless
11:04
but i m still clueless ...
11:04
not totally
11:05
but clueless :(
11:05
<vagrantc>
ok, well... you'll need to add pcmciautils to the initramfs, write scripts that run them properly, add the appropriate pcmcia modules to the initramfs, and make sure they load properly.
11:05
<ogra>
and make the initramfs use the right rootpath via nfs
11:05
<Guest801>
well i have a smarter friend i could whipinto doin that maybe vagrantc -
11:06
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, that is alredy in initramfs-tools
11:06
<Guest801>
shall i start whipppin ? ;-)
11:06
<ogra>
vagrantc, how does it know the server ?
11:06
<vagrantc>
ogra: dhcp ?
11:06
<ogra>
it needs the server ip etc
11:06
<Guest801>
well dhcp cant give those ogra ?
11:06
<ogra>
well, i never tried that with a local kernel ...
11:06
<Guest801>
mmm
11:07
ok
11:07
<ogra>
not sure that works as expected
11:07
<Guest801>
sounds experimental
11:07
<vagrantc>
ogra: it does.
11:07
<ogra>
ah, ok
11:07* vagrantc has done it many times.
11:07
<Guest801>
mmm
11:07
<vagrantc>
that's actually how the qemu scripts work
11:07
<Guest801>
maybe i should hire u vagrantc ?
11:07
<ogra>
ah, cool
11:08
<vagrantc>
Guest801: that's another workaround... you could just run a virtual machine on the laptop in fullscreen :)
11:08
<gepatino>
ogra: cating a ps file to the port, worked fine, but still cant print from the network
11:08
<pscheie>
Gadi: um, it actually seems to be working with my k12ltsp 6 server
11:08
<vagrantc>
Guest801: well, i'm not sure how long it would take me.
11:08
<ogra>
gepatino, but you see lp_server in the processlist on the client ? and iot listens on the right port ?
11:08
<Gadi>
pscheie: heh
11:08
<cliebow_>
ogra: so what do you think a junior canonical employee could command for salary..40 grand 50 grand??
11:08
<vagrantc>
Guest801: and don't have much free time at the moment, sadly.
11:08
<pscheie>
it wasn't this past weekend with the k12 ver. 5 server
11:09
and they're both ltsp 4.2
11:09
<gepatino>
ogra: yes and yes
11:09
<ogra>
cliebow_, heh, i wont give public advise for canonical salaries :) *g*
11:09
<gepatino>
ogra: i must be missing something somewhere but don't know where
11:09
<Guest801>
do u know anybody availblewith the required skills vagrantc
11:09
<cliebow_>
doing salaray negotiation with the district..
11:09
<Guest801>
?
11:10
<ogra>
gepatino, seems like ... weird ... can you paste your lts.conf to pastebot ?
11:11
<vagrantc>
Guest801: asking around in this channel would be my only guess
11:12
<pscheie>
Gadi: k12-5 has kernel 2.6.17.3 whereas k12-6 has 2.6.17.8
11:12
<Gadi>
there ya go
11:13
<ltsppbot>
"gepatino" pasted "lts.conf file" (50 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/61
11:13
<pscheie>
any idea what changed between those that would enable the later kernel to work?
11:13
<gepatino>
there you have it ogra
11:13
don't worry about printer_1_device, the one im using is printer_0
11:14
<ogra>
yeah
11:14
looks sane so far
11:14
<Gadi>
pscheie: it was probably compiled against the newer kernel
11:15
you would need to recompile against the older one (or even easier, use the newer kernel on your k125 box)
11:15
<gepatino>
i've even tried changing lp ports in case something had switched them, but nothing
11:15
<ogra>
you are using xdmcp, you know that you wont have localdev and sound support out of the box with it, right ?
11:15
<pscheie>
can I just drop the newer kernel on my old box?
11:16
<gepatino>
ogra: yes, i know. i'm solving some issues in some terminals with ldm, but some people here is getting nasty about printing :=
11:16
<pscheie>
or do I need updated libs too?
11:16
<ogra>
gepatino, are you sure you are using the right ip for the setup in gnome-cups-manager
11:17
<Gadi>
pscheie: you would need the kernels in /tftpboot and the libs in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/
11:17
<ogra>
thats the only thing coming to mind here ... since .ps from the client works it seems to be an issue on the users session
11:17
s/on/of/
11:17
<gepatino>
ogra: well... i haven't tried with the ip, but name services are resolving the names without any problem
11:18
<ogra>
try the ip for a test
11:18
<gepatino>
im on it
11:19
same result... nothing
11:19
<pscheie>
Guest801: if you have money to put toward an etherboot floppy that supports PCMCIA, have a look at http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/PCMCIABootGPXE
11:20
Gadi: or perhaps I'll just upgrade the whole box to ver. 6
11:20
<gepatino>
i'll try to get another printer to my terminal to see if I make it work, but those laserjets doesn't fit in my desk...
11:20
<ogra>
gepatino, weird ...
11:20
<pscheie>
except KGeography is missing from KDE Edu package; it's in the source, but not the binary
11:20
<ogra>
well, if you have it working from the clients commandline, there is no need to change the printer ...
11:20
<pscheie>
I submitted a bug report weeks ago, but no movement on it yet
11:20
<Guest801>
well depends from the amount of money pscheie
11:21
<gepatino>
maybe its the terminal, thanks ogra, i'll try changing it for a better one
11:21
<ogra>
since oin an HW level everything seems fine
11:21
<pscheie>
Guest801: I think they were looking for ~$5700
11:21
<gepatino>
well, in that case i could make a manual queue, people write ps files to /opt/lstp/i386 and someone cats them to the printer... just need to find that person ;)
11:21
<pscheie>
Not sure how many have contributed so far
11:22
<ogra>
gepatino, thats a very weird hack
11:22
<Guest801>
well out of my budget now
11:22
<pscheie>
Guest801: you might try to track down Ben Green on the ltsp mailing list for an update on it
11:22
<Guest801>
but not totally out in the future
11:23
<gepatino>
ogra: thanks anyway, when i find how to make it work, i'll let you know
11:23
<ogra>
gepatino, thanks, i'm very intrested ... feel free to mail me: ogra@ubuntu.com in case i'm not around here
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11:28
<Guest801>
what about usb based network interfaces r those even worse then pc cards ?
11:28
<ogra>
they should be fine with a local kernel ...
11:29
but are as well unlikely to netboot
11:29
<pscheie>
gadi
11:29
<ogra>
problem here is to find one thats not broadcom based and uses a free driver :)
11:29
<pscheie>
Gadi: I am seeing some amixer errors on my 2300 at boot with the newer kernel
11:30
<vagrantc>
what i wouldn't give for a network bootable USB network card...
11:30
<ogra>
:)
11:30
<Gadi>
pscheie: are they related to a channel not being there?
11:31
<Guest801>
5700 usd maybe vagrantc ? ;-)
11:31
<Gadi>
pscheie: some sound cards have different names for the audio channels than I used in my rc.sound script
11:31
pscheie: if you take a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound, you'll see the amixer lines
11:32
you may need to drop into a shell and see what the channels are called
11:32
<pscheie>
amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
11:32
so sounds like it ( no pun intended)
11:32
how do I do that?
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<Gadi>
pscheie: at a shell, type: amixer scontrols
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<pscheie>
terminal shell or an xterm shell within the gui?
11:35
at a screen_02 shell it says same error as during boot
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<pscheie>
and in an xterm it also says "Mixer attach default error: No such device"
11:52
<Gadi>
sorry
11:52
screen02
11:52
all of this is client side
11:53
<pscheie>
good, that's what I was trying, although the result is the same: no such device
11:53
<Gadi>
and the module is loaded?
11:54
<pscheie>
yep
11:54
<Gadi>
can you run alsamixer?
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<pscheie>
I actually get some sound although it's really quiet, can barely hear it, but I'm just using headphones atm
11:54
I figure that's a limitation of the amplifier in the client
11:55
<Gadi>
ah
11:55
<pscheie>
alsamixer also give a 'no such device' error
11:55
<Gadi>
weird
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11:56
<Gadi>
sounds like a crappy module
11:56
;)
11:56
<pscheie>
or crummy hw
11:56
:-)
11:56
but it looks cool and we all know form matters more than function
11:56
<Gadi>
well, if it worked without my pkg, that means that it must really be using OSS-emulation
11:56
lol
11:56
<pscheie>
;-)
11:58
<Gadi>
does this work:
11:58
<pscheie>
oss-emulation = not everything works?
11:58
<Gadi>
aumix-minimal -v90
11:58
?
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<pscheie>
well, it doesn't give an error, so I suppose that's an improvement
11:59
<Gadi>
oss-emulation is alsa's mechanism for supporting drivers and apps that need to use OSS
11:59
<pscheie>
it doesn't give anything, just goes back to a prompt
11:59
<Gadi>
does it make it louder?
11:59
play a sound
12:00
<pscheie>
woohoo! yes it does make it louder!
12:01
<Gadi>
ok - crappy module
12:01
:)
12:01
so, you can uncomment that line in your rc.sound
12:01
you may want to add this to the end of it: 2>/dev/null
12:01
<pscheie>
is there a way to uncomment for just that client, though?
12:02
<Gadi>
just in case it produces an error for proper modules
12:02
nah, but it may not interfere with the other mods
12:02
itll just throw up an error msg
12:02
(most likely)
12:03
<pscheie>
tx, I'll do that, and test it with my Dells which need your package (as soon as I finish my pizza)
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<gepatino>
ogra: are you there?
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13:00
<pscheie>
cliebow_:ping?
13:03
<cliebow_>
pscheie, Pong
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<pscheie>
for fl_teachertool, does vncreflector run on the server and talk to xvnc on the clients?
13:11
Robert Arkiletian, who would really know the answer to that question, was just asking about the status of incorporating PPC clients
13:11
I'm just trying to understand how it all fits together
13:12
and it seems to me that what's mostly needed is the vncserver running on the ppc client
13:14
<cliebow_>
i believe he depends on vnc.so on the client..
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<pscheie>
so we just need to compile that for ppc, right?
13:17
<cliebow_>
it should be part of a package that can be apt-gotten after chroot to the ppc file system
13:17
<pscheie>
or yummed ;-)
13:17
<cliebow_>
well in ltsp5
13:18
you Are talkiing ltsp5 right?
13:18
<pscheie>
perhaps, although it would be nice to get it working for 4.2 (k12ltsp 6)
13:18
<cliebow_>
we do not have a chroot for 4.2
13:19
for ppc
13:19
either bill_c never finished up..or he is off the grid somehow
13:21
so we screwed for the time being on 4.2
13:23
pscheie:But you Can use the ltsp5 chroot and kernel from a redhat Box..thought he local device bits may be afu
13:25
i Have booted a ppc from an i386 ubuntu box fine..one that already had ltsp-server-standalone built on it
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<stratus>
sbalneav: ping
13:52* vagrantc welcomes stratus
13:52
<sbalneav>
stratus: pong
13:52
<ogra>
sbalneav, stratus seems to have a nice usb floppy patch for ltspfs
13:53
<sbalneav>
Or, ICMP ECHO REPLY, should you desire.
13:53
Which, for the udev?
13:53
<ogra>
since my usbfloppy still doesnt work and i cant test, i'd like you to make sure the code doesnt clash with the existing floppy code
13:53
<sbalneav>
udev rules, I should say
13:54
<ogra>
i'd like to add it after beta if the release managers allow it ...
13:54
<stratus>
sbalneav: heh, yeah
13:54
vagrantc: hey!
13:54
sbalneav: http://people.debian.org/~stratus/bzr/stratus-ltspfs/
13:54
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: did you ever merge my upstream stuff?
13:54
sbalneav: for ltspfs
13:58
hmmm.. apparently not
13:58
<sbalneav>
What was it you changed? Something to the C code, or something in the support stff
13:58
?
14:00
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i changed the add_fstab_entry mainly
14:01
and i added in some code that was released in the ubuntu package that wasn't in bzr
14:02
<sbalneav>
stratus: What did you change?
14:02
<stratus>
sbalneav: add_fstab_entry (device naming scheme) and new udev rule for usbfloppies.
14:03
<vagrantc>
http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs-debian-packaging
14:03
oops
14:03
http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs
14:03
<stratus>
btw, could you point me to a working recipe or implementation for localapps or sound using pulseaudio (i'm interested in GNOME only stuff) ?
14:04
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i think stratus's code is based off of mine
14:04
<stratus>
vagrantc: exactly.
14:04
stratus-ltspfs was branched out from vagrant-ltspfs
14:04
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so if you merge his, you'll get all my stuff too
14:04
<stratus>
vagrantc: hints about localapps or sound?
14:04
<sbalneav>
Looks ok, I can try it tonight.
14:05* sbalneav shakes head
14:05
<sbalneav>
I'm looking in the AUTHORS file.
14:05
<stratus>
sbalneav: huh?
14:05
<sbalneav>
ADD YOUR NAMES YOU SCHMUCKS :)
14:05
Geez, if you're gonna WRITE stuff for ltspfs, might as well get credit :)
14:06
<stratus>
no, i'm not the only to blame about that! :-P
14:06
<sbalneav>
I'm pointing to vagrantc on that one as well.
14:06
<stratus>
heh
14:06
<sbalneav>
stratus: add yours and vagrantc's names to authors.
14:06
<stratus>
sbalneav: ok, will do. :)
14:07
<Lumiere>
lol
14:08
<vagrantc>
stratus: localapps is not really implemented. sound should be ... SOUND=True in lts.conf
14:09
<stratus>
vagrantc: output only?
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<stratus>
sbalneav: revision pushed
14:10
<dem>
jim or anyone else, which file do i have to edit to have out think clients look for xdcmp broadcasts
14:11
<sbalneav>
danka
14:12
dem: Do you mean, which file do I need to edit to allow the server to listen for XDMCP broadcasts?
14:12
And, what distro are you running?
14:12
<stratus>
sbalneav: do you know about any localapps implementation over ltsp in edubuntu?
14:13
<sbalneav>
Umm, localaps isn't quite going yet. We need a good network authentication scheme.
14:13
<dem>
no, for my ltsp think clients
14:13
<stratus>
sbalneav: network auth scheme or be sure what's thin-client X, Y and Z ?
14:14
sbalneav: nothing even running everything locally in thick clients scenario?
14:14
<dem>
i want them to search for xdcmp server instead of doing gdm/ldm whatever
14:15
<sbalneav>
dem: I don't think we currently support a "broadcast" for xdmcp. I could be wrong, but I think you can only specify one server.
14:15
<vagrantc>
stratus: you'll have to ask ogra if he got input working with pulse ... but pulse support in debian isn't there yet
14:15
<stratus>
vagrantc: We were working with pulse in mind, yes.
14:16
<sbalneav>
stratus: network auth. If you're going to run, say, firefox locally, as "stratus", the thin client needs to mount your home directory, and have some concept of who "stratus" is.
14:16
<stratus>
vagrantc: What do you mean with pulse support in Debian? It works for multiple regular machines. I'm able to use gstreamer plugin to connect on a remote pulseaudio server yet.
14:17
<dem>
well i just need to know which file starts X11
14:17
so i can hack it up
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<sbalneav>
Which version of ltsp are you running?
14:17
<dem>
5
14:17
<stratus>
sbalneav: Sure. What i wanted is share experience on setup with full localapps, not just a few apps that is trickier in my environment since I've (more than normal) virtualized users.
14:17
<dem>
on ubuntu
14:18
<sbalneav>
the dir with the screen scripts is:
14:18
> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d
14:19
for XDMCP, hack up the "startx" one.
14:19
<vagrantc>
stratus: the ltsp packages in debian do not have support for pulseaudio
14:20
stratus: it wouldn't be hard to add, but i haven't added it due to the etch freeze
14:21
<stratus>
vagrantc: oh, i did you read the wiki article on novell website? We've started tests based on that notes.
14:21
<vagrantc>
stratus: i suspect the ltsp package in etch, while they work, we'll want to have really good support for backports
14:21
<xtc>
could ltsp support multiple users logged into the same terminal?
14:22
<stratus>
vagrantc: after working on gconf hashes we will be back for more ltsp / ltspfs patches.
14:22
<vagrantc>
stratus: haven't looked at it, no
14:22
<stratus>
xtc: multihead? xserver-xephyr, maybe?
14:26
<xtc>
stratus: multihead supports multiple terminals per user right? not the other way around? but i'm not sure what xephyr is.. like nested logins? but im working on the backbone of a smarthouse design for a university (and yes im underqualified, but i like the challenge), and nested logins seems like a hack at the solution.
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<stratus>
xtc: don't you want to plug multiple keyboards and mouses on the same station (thin-client or not) ?
14:29
<xtc>
actually we're looking into multi-touch monitors. nice and non-traditional.
14:30
<stratus>
xtc: oh, ok. I'm sorry.
14:30
<xtc>
stratus: lol. sorry? its a prototypical house. time for some experimentation.
14:30* Gadi is confused as why you would need multiple users logging into a single terminal at one time
14:31
<stratus>
Gadi: learning together, maybe.
14:31
xtc: go for xephyr then ;)
14:31
<Gadi>
learning together?
14:32
use multiple terminals and vnc and share the session
14:32
or look over each others shoulder ;)
14:33
<stratus>
vagrantc: where's the Debian's main ltsp branch?
14:37
<xtc>
gadi: not really learning together. potentially, thin clients are to be integrated into a variety of surfaces, ranging in size and usability. this particular need is focused on 'smart tables'. see http://www.youtube.com/v/UcKqyn-gUbY for a nice example.
14:37
<vagrantc>
stratus: it's in debian copyright
14:37
stratus: er, debian/copyright
14:37
<stratus>
vagrantc: oh, ok. our wiki article and stuff like that are outdated.
14:38
<vagrantc>
quite probably.
14:39
stratus: i posted to the mailing list about the move ... i think we should probably yank listing each and every branch from the development page
14:39
stratus: in fact, we should move LTSPDevelopment to LTSP/Development
14:40
stratus: http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main , to answer your question more directly :)
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<stratus>
vagrantc: heh, the URI looks saner
14:43
<vagrantc>
stratus: we should probably just point to the main branch, the top level for all the branches hosted there, and maybe a pointer to the "releases" section
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14:44
<vagrantc>
stratus: but i'm currently without a web browser, for the most part :)
14:45
<stratus>
vagrantc: I'll move the page in minutes, don't worry.
14:46
<xtc>
so i guess that means we should look elsewhere and/or figure this out ourselves ?
14:46
<sbalneav>
Headin out, need to upgrade monitor/ram at the university law centre. I'll be on tonight.
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<vagrantc>
and when you return, you better be ready to do some bzr action
14:47
or.... else!
14:53
<Blinny>
xtc: Any time you're that far beyond the standard scope of what most folks are doing, you will be figuring a lot of things out!
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<xtc>
blinny: yeah, i was jus hopin that there were some foundations on which to build.
14:54
<Gadi>
xtc: cool touch screen
14:55
is that what ur using?
14:55
<CBaci>
Hey all..been using K12LTSP for three years now, this is the first time I've logged on the irc
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<xtc>
something similar. we had a few research groups working on these multitouch screens, but im not sure where they left off.
14:56
<Gadi>
xtc: it still seems to me like each one would be a thin client terminal
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<Gadi>
if you were to integrate it with ltsp
14:57
<CBaci>
I've got a question about SDL development. Has anyone ever done it in a LTSP environment? I'm trying to set the unix environment variables
14:58
<xtc>
gadi: we would like it to be a thin client in order to make it easy to move one session to another terminal, access the user's data remotely, utilize cheaper and quieter client hardware, etc. we're not sure whether they'res already something we can build on, something we can hack, or whether we'll have to build it from the ground up.
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<MetztliXictli>
!LDA
14:59
<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "LDA" is not a valid command.
14:59
<vagrantc>
!localdev
14:59
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
14:59
<Gadi>
xtc: right, but each one of those touchscreens would be a thin client going back to a central server, yeah?
14:59
<xtc>
yeah
15:00
<Gadi>
so, from ltsp its not new
15:00
<vagrantc>
it might be possible to do one of those multi-head setups with multiple keyboards and mice and monitors as a thin-client ...
15:02
<xtc>
so if we treat the touchscreen as a fragmented terminal, ltsp could theoretically work, right? the question then becomes how to fragment the terminal, which i'll have to check into.
15:03
<Gadi>
why fragmented?
15:03
the touchscreen = monitor+mouse
15:03
thats all
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<xtc>
true, but i was talkin about sorta tricking ltsp into thinking that it was speaking to multiple terminals.
15:05
<mistik1>
huh?
15:05
<Gadi>
right, but why?
15:05
ony 1 person can use the touchscreen at a time
15:05
its just input/output
15:05
<lizk12>
In the last second when the terminal is about to show the servers screen an error occurs and there is an error message: something like: before reporting problems, check http:// wiki.X.org to make sure you have the latest version.... Please also check the log file at "/tmp/mnt/xorg.log (but there isn't that file in the server) I changed the ethernet card but it didn't make any difference.
15:06
<xtc>
so that multiple people could login simulateously. --blushing-- it is just i/o, but say we want 2 ppl logged in a couple feet away (with a larger table than in the video), and they want to share a file just by "handing" it to the other person.
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<Gadi>
all of that happens on the server
15:08
its just displayed on the monitors
15:08
the users arent logged into the monitor at the same time
15:08
<Blinny>
lizk12: /tmp/mnt/xorg.log is on the terminal - if default, you you can ctrl+alt+F2 to get to a local terminal and read it there
15:08
<Gadi>
but they are logged into the server at the same time
15:08
from 2 different monitors
15:09
let the app on the server manage what gets displayed
15:10
<xtc>
okay maybe i dont understand how ltsp works very well. can we have 2 users at the same monitor (== touchscreen) logged onto the server synchronously?
15:10
i know traditionally this isnt how it works but...
15:11
<Gadi>
you want to split the monitor into 2 screens?
15:11
is that it?
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<Gadi>
with 2 sessions running on the one monitor?
15:11
<xtc>
sort of, except with an arbitrary number of mobile and resizable screens.
15:13
ideally there would be no necessary physical separation (one users screen could partially cover anothers), except the app on the server knows who owns what files. then security becomes an issue, but well get to that in time.
15:13
<Gadi>
hmm
15:14
sounds like you need to hcak together a special xorg module
15:14
that works like Xinerama-ish
15:14
to handle multiple screens
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<vagrantc>
just seems like a nested X server would do the trick, such as xephyr
15:14
<Gadi>
and then have almost sessions within resizable windows for each user
15:15
yeah
15:15
something like that
15:15
basically running X in a window for each user
15:15
sorta
15:15
<xtc>
hmm. ill look into it. thanks guys.
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15:22
<pscheie>
Gadi: uncommenting the aumix line in rc.sound works for the 2300
15:22
tx for your help
15:22
<Gadi>
pleasure
15:22
does it produce an error on the other boxes?
15:23
<pscheie>
no, or not that I saw anyway
15:23
why is that?
15:23
I would think that it would
15:24
but all I see is the amixer messages, all successful, flying by
15:24
<Gadi>
well, it adjusts oss volumes and I load the oss-emulation even for the regular alsa mods
15:24
so, maybe thats why no error
15:25
<pscheie>
with pulse we actually get volume control in software on the clients, right?
15:26
<Gadi>
i believe so - I havent had time to play much (but upgraded this lappy to feisty last night!)
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<pscheie>
beta, right?
15:26
<Gadi>
yup
15:27
<pscheie>
what do you notice is different/better?
15:27
<Gadi>
so far, only notice the networking diffs
15:27
<pscheie>
like what?
15:27
<Gadi>
they do a lot more automagic stuff
15:28
that I instinctively try to fight
15:28
;)
15:28
<pscheie>
is wireless better?
15:28
<Gadi>
prolly depends on ur card
15:28
but, when my card does come up right, it seems to find the aps
15:28
;)
15:28
I have a lot of junk on this lappy
15:29
and Ive been dist-upgrading it since breezy
15:29
i never know what im gonna break
15:29
<pscheie>
I usually don't have good luck upgrading, and ultimately go for the clean install
15:30
but I've got a new laptop now with edgy, and many partitions
15:30* Gadi is gluttonous and mostly for punishment
15:30
<pscheie>
so perhaps I'll install another edgy and try the dist-upgrade
15:31
Yeah, I always think "Fixing whatever breaks during the upgrade will be a great learning experience"
15:31
and what I usually learn is I can't do upgrades
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<gepatino>
ogra: are you around?
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<gepatino>
hi... anyone here?
16:43
<irule>
me
16:43
hello
16:44
<gepatino>
hi, i'm quite new to this channel, do you know if any ltsp developer is connected?
16:44
<irule>
beat's me, shy dont you let me take a shot? ;)
16:44
<MetztliXictli>
hi irule
16:45
<gepatino>
well... i've been setting up a ltsp server with edgy, and found a bug in ltsp-client-setup
16:46
it only configures the first printer defined, and it doesn't start lp_server for other printers
16:47
the solution was quite simple, but as i couldnt find ogra and i'm leaving the office i file a bug at launchpad including the patched function
16:47
but i don't know if that's the right place to do it
16:49
<irule>
post the URL of your patch here
16:49
please
16:50
I think you can just 'leave a message' ;)
16:50
MetztliXictli oh hi how are you?
16:50
<MetztliXictli>
Mexico
16:51
<irule>
MetztliXictli que pues como estas?
16:53
<gepatino>
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/93863
16:56
<MetztliXictli>
bien paisano
16:56
irule, has puesto algun cyber con ltsp
16:56
<irule>
MetztliXictli si, lo tuve durante dos a;os :)
16:57
<MetztliXictli>
y luego
16:57
irule, antes de que existiera youtube
16:57
necesito hacer que el audio de youtube funcione en los clientes
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<irule>
sirve el sonido de cualquier otra cosa?
16:59
en mi cyber nunca ofreci sonido jejeje
17:00
era un pentium4 1.5ghz y 256 RAM con 10 tontas de 200 mhz con 64 RAM
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<irule>
MetztliXictli necesitas instalar alsa
17:04
<MetztliXictli>
en los clientes
17:04
<irule>
http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/Getting_flash_to_work_with_sound_in_64_bit_platform aqui ignora el hecho de que es para 64 bits, solo ajusta deacuerdo
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17:43
<mistik1>
Gadi: Check /tmp for alpha2 when you get back to PC
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<MetztliXictli>
irule, conoces algun tarifador de tiempo para ltsp
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<irule>
http://www.google.com.mx/search?q=ltsp+cyber+cafe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
17:53
yo usaba shell script
17:53
<MetztliXictli>
lo tienes?
17:53
<irule>
huy no lo siento hace siglos que lo cerre y los archivos ya no existen
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<MetztliXictli>
oh
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<MetztliXictli>
irule, no te dio el cyber
17:55
<sbalneav>
ogra: ping
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<MetztliXictli>
sbalneav, hi
17:56
<sbalneav>
Hello MetztliXictli
17:56
!seen ogra
17:56
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 2 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <ogra> i'd like to add it after beta if the release managers allow it ...
17:56
<MetztliXictli>
que haciendo sbalneav
17:56
<sbalneav>
Where do I live? Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
17:58
<irule>
http://silentcoder.co.za/silentcoder/content/view/13/39/
17:58
MetztliXictli cierto, el cyber no fue negocio para mi
17:58
ahora gano mas con ltsp sin cyber, en una escuela les puse ltsp con rdesktop\
18:00
<MetztliXictli>
irule, que bien
18:00
mexico verdad
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<irule>
si claro, estoy en Guadalajara
18:04
<MetztliXictli>
workeas con ltsp
18:05
<irule>
si
18:05
ahora administro ltsp para una escuela de computacion con 35 terminales X
18:17
<MetztliXictli>
orale
18:18
que server tienes?
18:18
!sound
18:18
<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<MetztliXictli>
irule, tengo un problema
18:35
no le entiendo ni papas al manual
18:35
apart tengo debian y eso es para red hat
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<jammcq>
http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-introduces-suse-linux-enterprise-thin-client-solution
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<cliebow>
jammcq:hhhh,,and it is all i can di keep my thin clint solution flying here..
19:14
Cripes!
19:19
<jammcq>
heh
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<cliebow>
sbalneav get bitten byt /self/fdo thing?
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<jammcq>
hmm, I know he had a problem, not sure if that was it
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<dem>
is novel doing their own thin client thing from scratch?
19:26
<irule>
MetztliXictli la distro no importa
19:26
<cliebow>
hqah:yes..no ideas taken from ltsp
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<MrChicken>
hello
19:53
has anybody tried to run ltsp over a VPN?
20:00
<vagrantc>
MrChicken: someday someone is going to answer "yes, and it didn't work very well" :P
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<cliebow>
sucks
20:07
if you mean true ltsdp
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<MrChicken>
lol
20:11
vagrantc... at this rate the one saying that will be me =)
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<MrChicken>
vagrantc ... correct me if I'm wrong, but all I need to get ltsp to boot over a vpn is to get the vpn client the dhcp parameters that specify the pxe booting, right?
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<jammcq>
MrChicken: are you talking about the VPN being over a WAN ?
20:19
<MrChicken>
yes
20:19
the VPN is over internet
20:19
I mean
20:19
<jammcq>
NFS will perform vary poorly over a VPN/WAN connection
20:20
<sbalneav>
MrChicken: LTSP will not work well, if at all, over the internet.
20:20
<MrChicken>
y?
20:20
<jammcq>
yep
20:20
<sbalneav>
We get asked this about 100 times a year.
20:20
<jammcq>
and we'd love to be proven wrong. but.... still, nobody has done that yet
20:21
<sbalneav>
Check the mailing list archives for lots of discussion about it.
20:21
<MrChicken>
jammcq ... btw a bit off topic. I'm also having trouble getting sound on X
20:21
i can get it on the console of my client... but cant seem to get it to X
20:22
:(
20:23
<sbalneav>
What version of LTSP are you using?
20:23
<MrChicken>
4.2
20:23
<sbalneav>
!sound
20:23
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
20:23
<MrChicken>
been there, done that
20:23
when I open xterm
20:24
I get an error that reads something like:
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<MrChicken>
unable to cnnect to ws100ltsp:XXXXX incorrect parameter
20:24
or something like that
20:24
where XXXXX is a port #
20:25
I found out that has something to do with a perl script that controls the client
20:25
(or something like that)
20:25
<sbalneav>
Please paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot.
20:25
<dem>
plus they have a decently working solution for that in the form of nx/freenx
20:25
<sbalneav>
!pastebot
20:25
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
20:26
<ltsppbot>
"dorphalsig" pasted "No sound on X" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/62
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<sbalneav>
esd looks ok.
20:31
<MrChicken>
I once did a change on etc/xdm/xsessions to include a call to a script (sugested on a mailing list), but when it didnt work I deleted the entry, but from then on I have the strange message about not beeing able to connect
20:31
<jammcq>
it's prolly something in /etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh
20:32
<MrChicken>
should I paste it?
20:32
<jammcq>
to the pastebot, sure
20:37
<ltsppbot>
"dorphalsig" pasted "No sound on X (/etc/profile.d/ltsp-sound.sh)" (100 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/63
20:37
<jammcq>
oh god, that's old
20:37
nah, maybe it's not that old
20:38
<MrChicken>
I think I blew it
20:39
cuz I installed ltsp-sound for ltsp 4.1
20:39
couldnt find it for 4.2
20:39
<jammcq>
I don't think sound changed between 4.1 and 4.2
20:39
4.2 was the "wonderful local device" release
20:41
<MrChicken>
so...
20:41
any ideas?
20:41
<jammcq>
in an xterm, type this: dnsdomainname
20:43
<MrChicken>
hrmmm
20:43
give me a second... I have to download Xwin32 to connect to X :P
20:43
<jammcq>
no
20:43
if you aren't on the thin client now, there's no point in proceeding
20:44
<MrChicken>
I have a vmware on linux... so its just a matter of logging in via Xwin and starting vmware to be on a thin client =)
20:45
<jammcq>
ok, well figure all that out, but good luck getting sound working over that mess of stuff
20:45
<MrChicken>
ah right!
20:45
<jammcq>
get a real thin client, with a real sound card, and then i'll see if I can help you
20:45
<MrChicken>
ok will u be here tomorrow?
20:46
<jammcq>
hmm, prolly
20:46
but keep in mind, i've got my own list of things to do
20:46
<MrChicken>
I always do =)
20:47
can u perhaps give me a checklist or something to check tomorrow and bug you only when I'm really stalled?
20:47
<jammcq>
run through that ltsp-sound script, executing some of the commands manually
20:48
I'm not the sound guru around here tho
20:52
<MrChicken>
oki
20:52
will do thnx for the tip
20:52
and i hope not to need to bother you tomorrow =)
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<Metztlixictli>
check my debian+ltsp4.2+xfce4
21:07
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce4dj1.png
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<irule>
Metztlixictli if I need XP I do this http://telefrancisco.iespana.es/telefrancisco/linux/capturas/xp-qemu.jpg and my WM is enlightenmentm which always kiks xp and mac ass ;)
21:20
I actually had all mac users in my office WOWing e17's gui, not bad for a 2D wm
21:23
<Metztlixictli>
irule, es espanol
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<greg_g>
if anyone is around, I have a question about ltsp
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<bgomes>
greg_g:
22:50
greg_g: what is your question?
22:50
<greg_g>
well, it pertains to the difference between a thing client and a fat client
22:51
<bgomes>
greg_g: w is fat client?
22:51
<greg_g>
thin client doesn't do have a hard drive nor do much processing at all, just a head
22:52
fat client has a hard drive and does the majority of processing
22:52
basically, a stand alone PC
22:52
does use a ltsp server
22:52
excuse me, does not use a ltsp server
22:53
sorry, I am tired right now, my eyes are falling asleep so I miss some typos
22:54
but, basically, the way ltsp works (from my understanding) is that the thin client boots from the server and runs the kernel that communicates with the server
22:54
the server does all of the processing while the client just displays the information
22:54
<bgomes>
greg_g: yes
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<greg_g>
well, to make things more scalable and to use the "old out dated obsolete" computers out there that have decent processors (1.0 ghz+) why not have the thing clients do more processing
22:55
<bgomes>
greg_g: the processeing is center on server, and the thin client only use the devices and redirect for server
22:55
<greg_g>
like, actually decoding the mp3, or rendering the webpage
22:55
<bgomes>
greg_g: is more required memory
22:56
greg_g: cpu is not many required
22:56
<greg_g>
yeah, but having a lab full of computers with 1ghz proc and 256 megs of ram is easy and relatively cheap now
22:57
so, have a top of the line server with a lab full of computers that could do the majority of the processing
22:57
the server takes care of file management and settings (control of environment) while the clients do some work (instead of none like how it is now)
22:57
does that make sense? or am I talking gibberish?
22:59
I am thinking of the days when I was doing work on SunSparc workstations at University
22:59
<vagrantc>
yeah- i've done some work with that on ltsp5 ... much easier to implement.
23:00
<greg_g>
the machine I logged in on physically does the processing I want done (running the programs) while the big server in the basement takes care of file management and keeping my settings so I can log into any computer and have the same environment (my personal environment)
23:00
<vagrantc>
well ... more, i've done some work with "run all applications locally" which keeps the server requirements minimal.
23:00
<greg_g>
yeah, but the client computer still has no hard drive correct?
23:00
<vagrantc>
other people have also done ltsp+openmosix, where each terminal is a node in a cluster
23:01
<greg_g>
I am unfamiliar
23:01
<vagrantc>
greg_g: no hard drive, or merely hard drive for swap
23:01
<greg_g>
yeah
23:01
<vagrantc>
so, yes, people do it all the time.
23:02
though LTSP is more of a thin-client system.
23:02
<greg_g>
gotcha
23:02
<vagrantc>
but you can use LTSP to do that without too much trouble.
23:02
<greg_g>
I wasn't sure if LTSP was configurable for what openmosix does
23:03
(I have not used openmosix)
23:03
<vagrantc>
well, openmosix requires a lot of tweaking- that's sometime entirely different
23:03
but just running all your applications locally, that's fairly straightforward ... hardest part is network authentication
23:04
<greg_g>
what do you mean?
23:05
<vagrantc>
instead of logging into a server and using a servers CPU and RAM, you just run all the applications locally
23:06
isn't that what you were talking about?
23:06
<greg_g>
yes, exactly, but what do you mean that the hardest part is network authentication?
23:07
<vagrantc>
well, the hardest part is network authentication, everything else is pretty trivially easy.
23:08
<greg_g>
having not set up a LTSP implementation, can you tell me what exactly is hard about the authentication?
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<vagrantc>
i've never set it up, so i can't really speak to how hard it is.
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it's hard enough that i can't figure it out in 15 minutes.
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<greg_g>
ahh, I see
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<vagrantc>
if you're familiar with network authentication, it's probably pretty easy.
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it's not really any different from any other sort of network authentication environment
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<greg_g>
yeah
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<vagrantc>
are you asking as someone who's familiar with network authentication?
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<greg_g>
well, not really, I have rudimentary network design knowledge but I am unsure what you mean by authentication
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unless you mean having the computers being seen by the server and vice versa
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DHCP and what not, I understand/have a overview knowledge
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<vagrantc>
no, i mean something like using ldap to verify user/password combinations
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so that you can centralize the login information in a reasonably secure manner
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<greg_g>
no
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I am unfamiliar with that
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<vagrantc>
the simplest setup for that sort of thing is just anonymous autologins.
23:21
then you can ditch network auth
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little web kiosks and such
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<greg_g>
well, I was hoping for a solution where there are users and user define environments which follow them where ever they log in
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every user having a different user interface theme/desktop and selection of applications
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<vagrantc>
yes, you'll want network authentication for that
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<greg_g>
like an NIS server?
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<vagrantc>
like an NIS server, sure. though i hear that particular technology is way out of fashion.
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<greg_g>
ahh, I remember that being used a while ago, is LDAP the replacement?
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<vagrantc>
LDAPs what i hear people rave and complain about the most. there's also some SQL database auth methods out there, too.
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i can never wrap my head around LDAP
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<greg_g>
gotcha
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<greg_g>
vagrant> do you know if there is a "out of the box" distro for something like what we were talking about
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like Edubuntu or similar projects but where the client does more
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<vagrantc>
i know debian-edu has some scripts that make it pretty easy to set up, if not out of the box
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and i know ubuntu plans on integrating that sort of thing someday
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<greg_g>
good deal
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<MetztliXictli>
hi vagrantc
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