IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 21 June 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<sweetpi>
this may sound stupid... but if someone were to eject their pcmcia network card durring a session and plug it back in, what would happen?
02:08
<Appiah>
I'd bet it would just lock up or freeze then end up on console having to reboot
02:09
but you could always try and see
02:09
<sweetpi>
i dont have a card to try it
02:09
what about if i had eth0 and eth1 and eth0 went down, is there a way to switch to eth1?
02:09
<Appiah>
well all I know is you should not
02:10
<sweetpi>
i agree haha
02:10
<Appiah>
well if you made some bond in the chroot (?!)
02:11
<sweetpi>
what do you mean? like an if-down script or something?
02:12
<Appiah>
there's NIC bonding
02:12
<alkisg>
I've tried putting the same IP on my laptop's wired + wireless cards
02:12
<sweetpi>
oh i see
02:12
<alkisg>
Now when I turn off the wireless, I use eth0
02:12
<Appiah>
if you were connected with a bond for reduancy , one can drop without problem
02:12
<alkisg>
And when I turn on the wireless and pull off the cable, I use wlan
02:12
No broken ssh connections, it works fine
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<sweetpi>
actually what im doing is connecting to ltsp via wireless.. and if the signal goes down and comes back up, it locks up(trying to figure out how to fix that)
02:14
it runs great over wireless, but at random after a while it will lock up
02:15
i figured maybe wired had some script to handle that type of situation
02:16
<alkisg>
There was a -persist switch to nbd-client that was dropped, I don't know why. Maybe it would help in your case.
02:17
<sweetpi>
with wired, if i pull the wire it locks up but when i plug it back in, everything is fine
02:17
ah thanks ill take a look
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13:10
<nUboon2Age>
Maybe someone would be able to help me. I'm needing to learn the right words to describe something and to see if ltsp can do it.
13:13
<alkisg>
Do try...
13:13
<nUboon2Age>
A friend wants to have a linux server that sits outside of their firewall that can facilitate 'gotomypc'-type remote desktop help/control. What is the name for that?
13:15
<alkisg>
vnc
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<nUboon2Age>
so the server isn't the one doing the control or the one being controled, its making it easy for two 'third party' machines to work with each other.
13:18
<alkisg>
Aaaah. Just for port forwarding?
13:18
<nUboon2Age>
i guess, or to get around the issues of port forewarding and firewalls, etc.
13:19
<alkisg>
This isn't the right channel for the question, then
13:20
I did implement such a port forwarding service once, but then I switched to using "reverse vnc connections"
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...in those, the "tech" needs to do port forwarding, but not the "user"
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<nUboon2Age>
I used a program the other day that seems to be doing this under the hood, called TeamVeiwer.
13:22
So my friend wanted to do something like that.
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<alkisg>
Are you on a unix machine right now?
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<nUboon2Age>
linux
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<alkisg>
OK, if you want you can try: install x11vnc, and run: x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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This way I'm the "tech" and I get control of your pc like teamviewer,
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and you don't have to open any firewall or ports
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<nUboon2Age>
okay, let me try it.
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<alkisg>
It's a common unix program, available anywhere.
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<nUboon2Age>
just invoked it...
13:25
hi this is alkis ;)
13:26
<alkisg>
The gnome vnc viewer program (vinagre) already has support for reverse connections, and there's a bug report for the vnc server (vino) to include it as well
13:26
When it does, we'll have remote support capability out of the box for gnome
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<nUboon2Age>
why is there no sign-on screen or anything to indicate that its happening?
13:26
<alkisg>
Right now we also do but only from empathy (personal message program)
13:26
Empathy does show an indicator. X11vnc doesn't
13:27
<dissident>
does anyone have any ideas why an ltsp-client would get stuck at the boot splash (edubuntu 10.04 in this case)
13:27
<alkisg>
dissident: remove quiet splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default to see any error messages
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<nUboon2Age>
so i could have done this with gnome vinagre?
13:28
<alkisg>
No, I'm running vinagre (the tech)
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The user is running x11vnc
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<dissident>
alkisg: thnx for that
13:28
<alkisg>
When vino-server implements reverse connections, the "user" will be able to run vino-server from "system > preferences > remote desktop" instead of running x11vnc.
13:30
<nUboon2Age>
Did i just cut the vnc connection?
13:30
<alkisg>
Yup
13:31
<nUboon2Age>
So vino-server doesn't have that ability yet? When is that expected?
13:31
<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/vino/+bug/121961
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And https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389646
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If enough people vote for that, maybe the developer will do it (faster) :)
13:32
<nUboon2Age>
Okay I'll check them and vote for them. Another question is, can the software switch control the other way?
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<alkisg>
No, not this one. Try also empathy.
13:33
Empathy is like msn, and it has a "share my desktop" ability
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<nUboon2Age>
Really, I didn't know that. hmmm...
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<nUboon2Age>
so is there an experiment that we could do to demo that?
13:34
<alkisg>
Ubuntu has empathy preinstalled. The downside is that you have to have the "user" in your contacts list.
13:35
<nUboon2Age>
okay, so I have empathy, what would I need to do to see this in action?
13:35
<alkisg>
To have a friend in your contacts list, and for him to have empathy too.
13:36
<nUboon2Age>
do you have empathy and could we try it?
13:36* Lns wonders if he's in the right room
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<alkisg>
Heh
13:36
I'm using pidgin, I haven't switched to empathy yet
13:37
Right, this channel isn't appropriate for this problem
13:37
Try in your distro support channel
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<nUboon2Age>
so does ltsp facilitate any of what I've been describing?
13:37
<alkisg>
Nope
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<atkuepker>
whole different beastie =)
13:38
<nUboon2Age>
does anyone know what a "vnc reflector" is and how that might relate to what I'm describing? I saw that ltsp uses one (not sure what for).
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<atkuepker>
you might be better served by check with #vnc, since that's what they do there.
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<nUboon2Age>
oh atkuepker, good to know about. Thank you! Do you know about 'vnc reflector' and what it does w/in LTSP?
13:41
<alkisg>
vnc reflector isn't related to LTSP
13:41
It doesn't do what you're looking for.
13:43
<nUboon2Age>
oh, i saw it mentioned in the documentation. Okay just a few more LTSP questions please. Are there good cases for LTSP over the internet or is it mostly just a LAN tool?
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<Lns>
nUboon2Age: it's "possible" to run ltsp over a wan but your performance won't be good. You have to have a really good reason to do this as opposed to another solution that would most likely fit your goals better anyway.
13:46
<elias_a>
nUboon2Age: Use Nx client to access the LTSP system remotely.
13:46
<Lns>
elias_a: you don't even need LTSP to use NX to connect to a remote system
13:47
LTSP is a terminal server for many systems. It's not a remote access solution.
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<nUboon2Age>
Ah, thank you Lns: and elias_a: . Last question. I was listening to a couple of podcasts where some of the main LTSP were talking and at the time (i think 2005 and 2008) it seemed like the project was very hot. Is this still the case?
13:48
<Lns>
nUboon2Age: you sound like a journalist ;)
13:48
<elias_a>
Lns: I know that. Still, NX is very well tested with LTSP.
13:49
See https://oa.doria.fi/handle/10024/5803
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Just to give an example.
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<Lns>
elias_a: tested with LTSP how? How is testing NX on an LTSP server any different than testing NX on a Linux server not running LTSP?
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<nUboon2Age>
Lns: :) I guess thank you?
13:50
<elias_a>
nUboon2Age: LTSP is hotter than ever.
13:51
<Lns>
LTSP is further along and more mature/robust than it's ever been, thanks to the tireless efforts of all of it's awesome developers and everyone else behind the project.
13:52
<nUboon2Age>
elias_a: Lns: Thank you. I guess the remote access I've been asking about is different enough that LTSP wouldn't include it. One of the reasons i thouht of it was because one of the interviewers asked if there would be a 'GoToMeeting' capability included at some point.
13:52
<elias_a>
Lns: In such a waythat NX is widely used in Finland to give the students access to the system using NX.
13:52
<Lns>
The community is thriving and IMHO it's a poster-child for how open source communities are successful
13:53
<elias_a>
The use does not differ from other uses, that is true.
13:54
<Lns>
LTSP solves the problem of booting diskless terminals to a central server over a LAN - such as in a computer lab, classroom, etc... GoToMeeting and other related software solves the problem of accessing a computer from a remote location. The LTSP project shouldn't include this functionality because it's not in its scope of functionality.
13:55
<elias_a>
The reason why I mentioned it is the quality of user experience.
13:56
<nUboon2Age>
I'm a newcomer to Linux and I'm blown away by the support available. This irc channel is yet another example. Well I appreciate you all answering some out - of the way questions and alkisg for demoing vnc for me. Thank you Lns: elias_a: alkisg: atkeuper: !!!
13:56
<Lns>
nUboon2Age: anytime :)
13:56
<nUboon2Age>
and I'll check out #vnc. Thanks for the reference. :)
13:57
<elias_a>
nUboon2Age: Keep the questions coming ;-)
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<Ghid0rah>
Anyone run into a problem where gnome menus and shortcuts disappear
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<Lns>
Ghid0rah: are you running more than 1 session by the same user?
14:22
<atkuepker>
Ghid0rah, Yes. We usually end up blowing our the .gnome* and .gconf* directories
14:22
but as Lns pointed out, we also don't have XExit into production yet either.
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<Ghid0rah>
Here is what is happening. I'm attempting to create a system wide menu under gnome so that all our students will access to our school specific apps
14:23
I create the entries for the menu and shortcuts per gnome instructions
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with the cli
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users can initally see them but upon logging off and back on
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they can no longer see the menu or it's items
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<Lns>
Ghid0rah: are you running more than 1 session by the same user?
14:24
<Ghid0rah>
no
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<Lns>
k
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<Ghid0rah>
I'm the only user on the system currently
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<Lns>
Ghid0rah: explain how you use the shell to create menus and shortcuts pls
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<Ghid0rah>
I 1st create the file in /usr/share/desktop-directories
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school.directory
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<!-- school--> <Menu> <Name>school</Name> <Directory>school.directory</Directory> <Include> <And> <Category>school</Category> </And> </Include> </Menu> <!-- End school -->
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under /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
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then i create the actual links under /usr/share/applications/
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with the .desktop files
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everything works initally but then stops
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<Lns>
are you creating them with sane permissions for users to see all of this stuff?
14:28
<Ghid0rah>
The files have the same permissions as every other file in the corresponding directory
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rwx-r-r
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with root as owner
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<Lns>
k
14:29
are you using sabayon as well for anything?
14:29
<Ghid0rah>
sabayon is install
14:29
I attempted to use it for this purpose but it failed
14:29
<Lns>
Im not sure but sabayon might be overriding your user menu/stuff settings
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upon login
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<Ghid0rah>
hrmm
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<Lns>
that's how sabayon works - looks at your user and if its part of a profile, and applies settings accordingly (iirc)
14:30
<Ghid0rah>
I removed the sabayon profiles
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and then wiped the homedirs
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should I remove sabayon from the system
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?
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<atkuepker>
I did. never worked well enough for us to justify the hassle. We're a "business" deployment instead of a school, so it's of limited benefit to us anyway.
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<Lns>
Ghid0rah: you could try, but if you removed the profiles it'd be a bug if it kept trying afterwards
14:32
if that is, in fact, what's going on
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<Ghid0rah>
it's worth a shot
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<Ghid0rah>
Evil sabayon
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<Ghid0rah>
Upon removal of sabayon the menu and items appear.
14:35
<Lns>
hey sabayon is great - sbalneav has been working his *ss off to get it up to speed..you should file a bug about what's going on so he can fix it
14:35* alkisg appreciates all the hard work sbalneav put to it, but never liked/used sabayon
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<Ghid0rah>
sabayon is almost perfect
14:36
I had an excellent student profile built
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<dadar>
Hi, i have upgraded my ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04. After fixing the tftp problem i see the loginscreen. But if i enter my username and password the loginscreen come back every time. Does somebody have an idea what i have to do?
15:14
<Appiah>
check your lts.conf and see if you got a SERVER=
15:15
or just check /var/log/messages
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<alkisg>
Also try sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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<johnny>
and make sure you have that user account on the server!
15:15
hah :)
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<atkuepker>
what alkisg said. That one got me.
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<dadar>
:)
15:15
in this file appiah /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf?
15:15
<Appiah>
do what alkisg said first , thats a common issue :D
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<dadar>
only x_COLOR_DEPTH=16 is in that file
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i did that
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but i will try again
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<alkisg>
Are the username/passwords accepted or you get a "server not responded, restarting"?
15:19
<dadar>
no he check the password an then he restart the loginscreen
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<alkisg>
Hmmm maybe you should check ~/.xsession-errors then (compiz problems come to mind)
15:20
<dadar>
there is no filelike that in the user folder
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<alkisg>
It's hidden, if you're using nautilus check "show hidden files" from the menu
15:21
To verify that the username/password was accepted, you can look at auth.log
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<dadar>
Accepted password for taudien from 10.0.2.220 port 59202 ssh2
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<Grindar>
hey guys, trying to set up ltsp with a windows server dhcp box and something isn't working right :p
15:22
running ltsp on a fedora box
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<alkisg>
dadar: hmmm maybe you should try disabling compiz then, it has the same symptoms that you're describing
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!compiz
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<dadar>
great thank you! now it works
15:25
<Grindar>
anyone know how to configure dhcp on windows server to point tftp correctly to the ltsp box? that seems to be my issue
15:26
<Lns>
Grindar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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<alkisg>
Grindar: here's a relevant page from Ubuntu, maybe it'll help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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<Lns>
lol
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<alkisg>
Ah beated by Lns for a few nanoseconds :D
15:27
*beaten
15:27* Lns and alkisg are always fighting for the linked answers haha
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<Lns>
dude
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alkisg:
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you're versed in ltspbot stuff right?
15:27
<alkisg>
Only a bit
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<Lns>
isn't it possible for it to monitor keywords and suggest URLs instead of just doing !foo ?
15:28
i've seen that in other channels
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<alkisg>
Ah, you need sbalneav for this. I think we're using supybot here, and other channels have other bots
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I bet there are supybot plugins for this, I've seen dozens of plugins in its site
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<Grindar>
ok, checking it out, will be back if I have questions :p
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<alkisg>
Lns, the problem with the URLs is that many are distro specific
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<Lns>
that would be such a good addition to the chan
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true
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<alkisg>
johnny already accused me when I added
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!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<alkisg>
:P
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<Lns>
hrm
15:30
we need a central ltsp wiki
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that everyone can migrate the ubuntu info to
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and other wiki stuff
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<alkisg>
We have one in sourceforge, but sbalneavs needs to manually put every interested user in a wiki-writers list
15:31
And those users need to be sf users too I think
15:33
<dadar>
i have some old pc's with intel graficcards i insert XSERVER=vesa into lts.conf but the resulution is only 1024 what can i do?
15:33
<alkisg>
Why do you put XSERVER=vesa?
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What chipset do they have?
15:34
<dadar>
without i got a black screen on boot
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<alkisg>
There are other ways to work around it
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Try lspci on one of those clients to see the chipset
15:34
vesa will drop performance a lot, it should be avoided if possible
15:35
<dadar>
this work on the termsrv console?
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<alkisg>
(and it will offer less modes)
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!localxterm
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
15:35
<alkisg>
run lspci -nn|grep VGA on a localxterm
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<dadar>
okay i install that stuff
15:36
<alkisg>
dadar: you don't need to install it
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It should be already installed..
15:36
<dadar>
ok
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<Grindar>
ok, I have my dhcp options set as it is in the windows/ubuntu guide you guys linked me. firewall is disabled, and we've used other pxe services across our gateway device over the last couple weeks, so it shouldn't be firewall issue. Any idea why the client is timing out?
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<Ghid0rah>
so the pxeclient just times out
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<alkisg>
Grindar: LTSP in Fedora is ...well... unmaintained, and not many people here use it. Also it uses some bridge setup which other distros don't use, so I don't think you'll get much help here.
15:42
Try posting in the mailing list, you might get an answer there.
15:42
<Grindar>
alk, the bridge is disabled, I'm using eth0
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<alkisg>
Hmmm.... can you try booting with gpxe?
15:43
<Grindar>
I've got the build and everything done correctly, I think, it's just a network issue, I think
15:43
<alkisg>
gpxe is very handy for dhcp problems
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<Grindar>
burning a copy now
15:46
<dadar>
okay tryed the localapps command but no window popup
15:46
xterm is installed localy
15:48
and the ltsp-localapps command is available
15:48
<alkisg>
dadar, did you rebuild your chroot from scratch after the update?
15:49
I.e. did you call ltsp-build-client/
15:49
?
15:49
<dadar>
yes i did
15:49
<alkisg>
Weird. OK, then you can use SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
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!local_screen
15:49
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Error: "local_screen" is not a valid command.
15:49
<Grindar>
ok, weird. the gpxe is showing it trying to boot from a different ip address than the one I put in. trying to boot from 10.10.104.14, should be booting from 10.10.4.168 (long story, the networks are connected by the gateway device)
15:49
<alkisg>
Damn I forgot this one
15:49
<dadar>
and removed the /opt/ltsp/i386
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<alkisg>
dadar: put the following in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf:
15:50
[Default]
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SCREEN_02=shell
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SCREEN_07=ldm
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<Grindar>
also showing the wrong filename?
15:50
<alkisg>
Reboot the client, and switch to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2. Run the lspci command there.
15:50
<dadar>
okay will try that
15:51
<alkisg>
Grindar: then you have a network configuration problem. Gpxe is flexible enough to boot even without a dhcp server, but for normal booting, you should only have 1 dhcp server around...
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<Grindar>
I'm rebooting the windows server on the chance that it's just still remembering the last one my boss tried to configure
15:54
<Ghid0rah>
has anyone messed around with LTSP-cluster?
15:54
<dadar>
alkisg: the screen prints tty=/dev/tty2 but i have no commandline
15:54
<Appiah>
well.. I set it up once
15:54
and it worked
15:54
<Grindar>
even though I've restarted the dhcp service numerous times
15:55
<alkisg>
dadar: ouch. Do you still have XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf?
15:55
<dadar>
yes i will remove that
15:55
<alkisg>
dadar: no, don't
15:55
Hm....
15:56
How much RAM do your clients have?
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<alkisg>
Try leaving only SCREEN_07=shell - and remove the ldm screen.
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<nUboon2Age>
Lns: btw, I'm looking at your web site. Very very nicely done! That really makes the case for LTSP (esp. in schools). My $.02 I think your site should be referenced by the main LTSP site -- and not just as a link off of 'Success Stories as it is now. jammcq: Maybe make a link of the "empowering schools" on the main page.
16:03
<Grindar>
I'm actually with a county school district in mississippi. we're hoping to use ltsp and rdesktop to power some of our labs
16:03
<dadar>
After i removed the xserver line every pc works now with the correct resulotion
16:04
the clients have 64-128 mb ram
16:04
<alkisg>
Maybe that's why it failed, low RAM
16:04
<dadar>
thay have 800 mhz
16:04
<alkisg>
I think you should enable NBD_SWAP
16:04
<faranda>
Hello
16:04
I'm trying to do work ltspfs with nx-client and I don't found how to the client starts ltspfs. As far as I know, it generates a socket for connecting devices to the server.
16:05
<alkisg>
dadar: (I mean why SCREEN_02=shell and ltsp-localapps xterm failed)
16:05
<faranda>
someone has done this before
16:06
<dadar>
alkisg: now every thing work without the xserver line.. the screen_02 too. will share you this informations
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<alkisg>
Nice. In my experience, 64Mb clients need either NBD_SWAP or a local swap space on Lucid.
16:07
If you could divide the ram so that all have at least 96MB, it'd be best.
16:08
<faranda>
I have a script that starts NX login screen and it works fine, except that the socket that requires ltspfs not generated.
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<dadar>
okay will upgrade them soon
16:10
the last problem ist the screensaver.. if i input the password and try to unlook he say it is not the correct one
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<Gadi>
!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 3 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> win 1
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<dadar>
alkisg: all pc's have allready 128 mb ram.
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<alkisg>
Nice, no problem then.
16:22
<dadar>
okey the auth log say unix_chkpwd[7737]: check pass; user unknown
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for the screensaver prob
16:22
the next line is unix_chkpwd[7737]: password check failed for user (taudien)
16:22
<alkisg>
That auth.log is on the server?
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<dadar>
and the last one gnome-screensaver-dialog: pam_unix(gnome-screensaver:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=1001 euid=1001 tty=localhost:11.0 ruser= rhost= user=taudien
16:23
yes
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<alkisg>
Weird, I've never heard of that problem.
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<Grindar>
ok, good news, k12linux is up!
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<dadar>
here is the lspci for the vga 82810E DC-133
16:25
<Grindar>
anyone have any idea what the default login is?
16:28
<Appiah>
create your users on the server
16:28
and login
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<Grindar>
ok, the reason I can't login is it can't authenticate with the server. Any ideas on what to look for?
16:40
<alkisg>
auth.log?
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<dadar>
alkisg: it was a rights problem on the /etc/shadow file... last question where can i change the backgroud image of the loginscreen?
16:41
and many many thanks to you!
16:41
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDMThemeChange
16:41
<NeonLichT>
Grindar, do you have your user allowed on sshd_config?
16:41
<alkisg>
You're welcome
16:41
<atkuepker>
I was playing with Theme Change the other day. Lots of fun there.
16:42
<Ghid0rah>
has anyone had much success with iTalc?
16:42
<Grindar>
er, probably not. Checking.
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we're hoping to experiment with iTalc later this summer
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<NeonLichT>
None, Ghid0rah, I've tried it a few times, with different versions of LTSP, everytime I've set up a server, actually, and never had any success at all with iTalc.
16:45
<Ghid0rah>
it seems like a bear to get going
16:45
<alkisg>
In Ubuntu you all need an "apt-get install italc-master"
16:45
*all you..
16:46
<Ghid0rah>
ideally I would like to have the server not be the master
16:46
<alkisg>
But I had frequent crashes in some labs, so we developed our own solution instead
16:46
<Ghid0rah>
I just want to monitor the thin clients from another machine
16:46* NeonLichT goes to look the idiom "to seem like a bear" on the Cambridge Idioms Dictionary :)
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<Ghid0rah>
what kind of solution did you develop alkisg?
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<dadar>
thank you and good night!
16:47
<alkisg>
Good night dadar
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<alkisg>
Ghid0rah: http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/sch-scripts/screenshots
16:48
...unfortunately it won't be internationalized for the next 2 years :-/
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<Ghid0rah>
does it just take screen shots of the clients?
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<NeonLichT>
Damn it! It's not there :(
16:49
<Ghid0rah>
lol
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<alkisg>
Ghid0rah: no we can broadcast the teacher screen, take control of the student screen, lock/unlock, mute sound etc, build a fat chroot with a wizard....
16:49
<Grindar>
ok, I clicked the sshd box in the 'admin' user profile, is there another place to do it?
16:49
<Ghid0rah>
dang
16:49
nice
16:49
<Grindar>
it still errored out
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<Ghid0rah>
alkisg: did you build from scratch or build off of something else
16:50
<Grindar>
or did that just add the group and not authorize it yet?
16:51
<faranda>
hey guys, you know a trick to save the user name and password that is entered in the greeter of the LDM.
16:51
<alkisg>
We build the network backend in python (twisted) and bash, and for the monitoring/controlling we're using x11vnc and xvnc4viewer. The locking/muting/wizards are developed from scratch in python.
16:52
It only needs 1 Mb RAM on the clients, we tried to keep the 64mb minimum requirements.
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<Ghid0rah>
seems very nice.
16:53
I'm going to get beat up by my users
16:53
they wanted iTalc or TeacherTool working but I don't know if it is going to happen
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<atkuepker>
Theme doc is a bit out of date though. It looks like that can be managed using /etc/alternatives nowadays?
16:54
that or I'm once again insufficiently caffeinated.
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<faranda>
with that information I could call the NX client ... is that it occurs to me now, someone has a better idea?
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<alkisg>
Ghid0rah: did you try italc and got stuck somewhere?
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<alkisg>
atkuepker: the ldm themes? Sure, but if someone wants to install his own theme, he'd have to create a package for update-alternatives to work... so just copying an existing theme seems easier
17:16
<atkuepker>
true. I was just looking at the relative paths in relation to the chroot and wondering about that.
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