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Channel log from 20 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
meho: so is replica strictly ass only, or are half-asses allowed on it?
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meho: what is the vision for replica?
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<cliebow>
i think i am seeing double
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<vagrantc>
oops. wrong channel.
11:33* vagrantc could explain half-asses and asswholes of freegeek if asked
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<cliebow>
heh
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<wellington>
Hi! in my kurumin (debian) show this error PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout. ?????????
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<wellington>
any people help me??
12:18
Hi! in my kurumin (debian) show this error PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout. ?????????
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<sepski>
wellington, verify your tftp server is alive and well
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<privet>
wellington: is your tftp service up and running?
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<wellington>
my inetd.conf is ftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /tftpboot and not up in boot
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<vagrantc>
Burgundavia: hey
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<Burgundavia>
hey vagrantc
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I am home
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<vagrantc>
i figured
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<Burgundavia>
it is raining and about 10 C here
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I WANT TO GO BACK TO SPAIN!!!
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<vagrantc>
it's raining here too
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<Burgundavia>
/whine
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<vagrantc>
it was really nice. i went out and got soaked
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<Burgundavia>
well, rain in 30 C weather is much better
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<vagrantc>
Burgundavia: so after parting ways, i ended up hoping on a metro and not having a clue if it was the right one.
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Burgundavia: the boring thing is it was the right one, and nothing much interesting happened.
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<Burgundavia>
heh
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lol
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<moquist>
Burgundavia: have you actually used Puppet?
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Burgundavia: I'm interested in something like that in lieu of AD. Am I barking up the right tree? Is this a sufficiently mature project for production use?
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Burgundavia: I'm just getting started looking at it. Step 1: Ask people in IRC if it's any good. ;)
15:18* vagrantc stares at http://bugs.debian.org/424989 for a while
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<vagrantc>
that's just *way* too much work.
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<Burgundavia>
moquist: yes, I have
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moquist: puppet covers the configuration portion of AD
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<moquist>
Burgundavia: Right; that's what I was aiming for. So is it recommended, then?
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<Burgundavia>
moquist: if is a bit of headache to setup, but after that it is good
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you also need a combination of puppet and sabayon, which covers the gnome parts
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<moquist>
OK; that's helpful to know.
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Burgundavia: have you ever worked with any imaging solutions for linux?
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<Burgundavia>
none
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<moquist>
k
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<Burgundavia>
too small an intfrastructure
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the probelm with imagine solutions is that they are very brittle, in general
20:17* moquist nods
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<Burgundavia>
you constantly need to create new images
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better to create a config server and then figure out how to kickstart your install to the point where it can contact that server
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<moquist>
right. I worked on jacal.sourceforge.net when I was at Taylor University, but I suspect setting that up for our dispersed environment wouldn't be worth it.
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Burgundavia: Yeah, I'm thinking along those lines, too.
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Burgundavia: I've never worked with kickstart or preseeding or any of those methods.
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<Burgundavia>
nor have I
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I know the
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Canonical people are thinking about this for their server stuff
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gutsy is going to be a push for such stuff, apparnetly
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which reminds me that I have a bunch of specs I need to write
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<moquist>
I know. I tried to read your MassDeployment spec but there wasn't really anything there. :)
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<Burgundavia>
it is currently sitting in a tomboy note
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I need to have a conversation with some of the Canonical people to figure out how to break it out
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given I don't see somebody from the community stepping up right now
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<moquist>
Burgundavia: what are you/they looking at -- easy setup & config of Puppet+Sabayon, or something more extensive?
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<Burgundavia>
I think they are planning some intrastructure bits
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need to hook into that, to reduce the amount of work needed
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<moquist>
Ah; I don't know that I can help much with that. But I hope to be exploring this general area for my school district (10 sites, 5-6k users), so I could be involved to some extent.
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<Burgundavia>
ahh, cool
20:28
if you get a bunch of new machines, how do you handle them?
20:28
<moquist>
I have the dream of being able to sit down and boot from the network, select with OS I want, and walk away.
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<Burgundavia>
basic practices are not entirely clear to me
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<moquist>
Right now we only have Windows XP and thin clients, with the exception of 15 Ubuntu systems at one school.
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<Burgundavia>
s/basic/best/
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<moquist>
My boss is talking about switching to Linux fat clients, too, but I don't know that it's going to go anywhere soon. But if I have a migration mechanism all researched out and tested...
20:29* moquist nods
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<Burgundavia>
right
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are you talking installed fat clients or ltsp fat clients?
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<moquist>
installed.
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<Burgundavia>
right
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<moquist>
replacing XP.
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<Burgundavia>
ahh
20:30
if they are constantly connected, why not do ltsp fat clients?
20:30
<moquist>
But hopefully easier to manage (that will sell well) and with more software available (duh).
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<Burgundavia>
ie: network boot
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<moquist>
'cuz it would have to load the OS over the network.
20:30
<Burgundavia>
right
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<moquist>
Also, there would be lots of customization required to get that to work.
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<Burgundavia>
ahh
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<moquist>
OOTB is a big sticking point for us. I feel handcuffed, actually. It's distressing sometimes. 8\
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<Burgundavia>
there is also some very cool work that RH is doing
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et.redhat.com
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<moquist>
such as http://et.redhat.com/emd/prm/ ? :)
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<Burgundavia>
yep
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cobbler and koan are also bits that need to be made to work with Ubuntu
20:33* moquist nods
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<Burgundavia>
for RH these are play things
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we can take and make them rock
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I would seriously love some people to take the raw tools and figure out what is needed
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<moquist>
you can include LTSP in the antecedent of "these", IMO.
20:36
but hopefully that's changing for the better.
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<Burgundavia>
ltsp on a generic Ubuntu install needs to made easier
20:36* moquist nods
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<Burgundavia>
basically, somebody needs to play with these tools and figure out how to make them work with ubuntu and then write down the steps
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I am about to quit my job and thus going to leave my play lab
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<moquist>
heading to something better, I hope?
20:38
Exactly - that's the sort of thing I would love to get done this summer.
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<Burgundavia>
currently I just need to get out of the very poisonous atmostphere
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<moquist>
Ohhhhh. :(
20:39
<Burgundavia>
it is really sad, because it is a desktop Linux company, a relative rarity in Canada
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anyway, need to make dinner
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<moquist>
enjoy
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<Burgundavia>
moquist: not really
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<moquist>
Burgundavia: heh - maybe just for a minute, though.
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Burgundavia: PM ok?
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<Burgundavia>
yep
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