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Channel log from 12 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
Good morning
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<garymc>
Hi guys
06:23
Hi im running ubuntu 9.04 ltsp, im connected through thin client. Now I installed Latest flash plugin from adobe site and every time i use Firefox to view youtube vids the firfox browser closes or disapears after 30 seconds
06:23
whats the problem here
06:31
<alkisg>
garymc: don't go to the adobe site for the flash plugin, do this instead: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras.
06:32
<garymc>
do i have to uninstall the one ive already installed?
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<bieb>
good morning
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<bieb>
Gadi: How goes it??
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<Gadi>
it goes pretty well - in the span of 5 minutes, I think I found and squashed a bug that has been plaguing me for over a week!
08:49
<bieb>
cool
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<bieb>
I am hoping I can get to the bottom of this damn print issue today.. since we have students returning tomorrow.. :)
08:50
<Gadi>
well, I have a 10 oclock meeting, but if I can keep up the momentum afterwards, I am happy to help
08:51
<bieb>
drink lots of coffee.. :D
08:52
<cliebow>
yeah..sun isnt over the yardarm yet
08:54
<bieb>
cliebow: hows it going? and hows the house building?
08:55
<cliebow>
brb
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<garymc>
Anyone wanna help me create launchers that all users will have on their desktops in UBUNTU 9.04 LTSP
09:00
I want a launcher all will see each time they log in
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<Blinny>
garymc: for i in `ls /home`; do cp launcher.desktop $i/Desktop; done
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<bieb>
garymc: there are 2 ways to do this...
09:09
1) build the launcher and then copy it to /etc/xdg/autostart
09:09
2) create a user and put all the stuff on the desktop that you want, then you can write a quick script that will copy /Desktop to each new user
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<bieb>
or the way Blinny said
09:13
<cliebow>
bieb: its going in fits and starts..i have the house 2/3 s shingled at this point..too bad i have these day jobs to atten to
09:15
<bieb>
damn day jobs...
09:15
are you doing the shingle-ing yourself?
09:15
<cliebow>
my skippering job is tough but someone has to do it
09:16
<bieb>
Get Gilligan to help you..
09:16
<cliebow>
oh yeah..i built a "tower of death to work off of" sort of a siege machine
09:16
i used to know him..
09:16
he spent some time on the island where i lived
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<cliebow>
before we had running water my wifw and i used to shower there
09:17
<bieb>
I heard he likes pie
09:17
<cliebow>
hmm..and i thought he had passed on
09:18
<bieb>
9/2/05
09:18
<cliebow>
yeah
09:19
<rjune_wrk>
!g
09:19
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:19
<cliebow>
well..with any luck we should have the power hokked up today..
09:19
<rjune_wrk>
cliebow: both bob denver and john denver died.
09:19
new house?
09:19
<cliebow>
yeah new house..though it was supposed to be an addition
09:20
same cellar..had to take out the walls the carpenter ants ate
09:20
<bieb>
so I guess having Denver as a last name is a curse.. :)
09:21
<cliebow>
it will be awesome when done..
09:22
<rjune_wrk>
very cool, you'll have to get us pictures
09:22
or it didn't happen. :-)
09:22
<cliebow>
heehee..ill ship you some if you like.
09:26
<garymc>
ok just reading this stuff
09:27
I got help with this last week, but that was for K12 Linux, now im trying to do it in ubuntu and when I get to step3 (I wrote it down) it says coudlnt find file
09:27
heres the command i put in the teminal
09:27
sudo cp copyToDesktop.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart
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and it says file doesnt exist
09:28
copyToDesktop.desktop is on my desktop
09:30
anyone knwo the correct command line here?
09:31
<Blinny>
garymc: Make sure you have your paths right. You may wish to do 'sudo cp /home/MYUSER/Desktop/copyToDesktop.desk /etc/xdg/autostart'
09:31
<garymc>
ahh
09:31
ill give it a whirl
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<Blinny>
Whether you can get off without using paths depends on your current directory.
09:32
bbl
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<Blinny>
_UsUrPeR_: With your 64-bit flash 10 player, have you had any reports of audio not working on some hardware, but just fine on others? I'm firing up a testbed to get more specifics.
09:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
Blinny: not really, no. Though you're the only person I have given it to :). Bear in mind: that's just a script for easy installation. It just installs the 64-bit Adobe flash plugin.
09:48
Recently, I have noticed some strange occurrences when playing music via amarok, and trying to play a flash video.
09:49
it seems like two programs do not have access to my sound card at the same time. Like something is locked out.
09:49
and it's specific to flash
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<garymc>
anyone wanna talk me through adding a launcher for a web page, that will appear on all of my users desktops automaticly?
09:53
<Blinny>
_UsUrPeR_: After seeing some of those diagrams of the audio stack I'm leery of even making a guess.
09:54
<garymc>
I cant get my K12Linux notes to work in the ubuntu LTSP
09:54
:(
09:56
<cliebow>
garymc..ive used a hack that does an ls of /home and copies to a file ..then reads the file and cuts the username out..and feeds that to a loop whic copies a file to /home/username/Desktop
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<garymc>
is it easy to implement
09:56
<Blinny>
/etc/xdg/autostart doesn't put a launcher on users' desktops
09:57
<garymc>
I just want Add customer.html to be on the desktop each time an employee logs in
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<Blinny>
it auto-starts the launcher upon session instantiation
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<cliebow>
i can look for this kludge if you like
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<garymc>
??
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<Blinny>
´╗┐garymc: for i in `ls /home`; do cp /path/to/launcher.desktop $i/Desktop; done
10:05
garymc: That's a bash shell script that lists the contents of /home -- puts each one into a variable called $i then copies /path/to/launcher.desktop (or any other file you want, like /path/to/customer.html) to $i/Desktop
10:06* Blinny wonders where is that file that lists all the lts.conf variables...
10:07
<Blinny>
Nevermind found it: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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<dkostousov>
Hi. Can I use ethernet card with Netware Bootrom on terminal pc?
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<alkisg>
dkostousov: is that a bootp client? (as opposed to pxe)?
10:58
<dkostousov>
I'm novice. What is bootp? I need to convert old PC from "Windows workstation" to "Linux Terminal". The PC motherboad has a ethernet card RTL8139 with bootrom. When I tried to boot from network I saw "Novel Netware Ready Firmware v3.14 \n Realtek RTL8139 <skip>
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<dkostousov>
RPL-ROM-ADR: 000A E62D 737F
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<skip>
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RPL-ROM-FFC: <number which growing from 0 >
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<eXcALiBuR>
hey guys
11:12
can i have a server just with logon info, and then cluster 2 servers as needed to handle the demand ?
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<alkisg>
dkostousov: I don't know if your card supports booting from pxe or not. But if it doesn't, you can put a remote booting software called gpxe in a floppy / cd / hard disk. Download from: http://www.rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-git/gpxe.git/contrib/rom-o-matic/ ==> select "gpxe:all-drivers" from the drop down box.
11:14* _UsUrPeR_ is testing out alternative installation in Koala 9.10...
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I am not seeing dhcp3-server installed by defauly
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err default
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is that the case?
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<alkisg>
Sounds funny like that... calling 8.04 "heron" :D
11:15
*like
11:15
No, it's supposed to be installed
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<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, cool, would you note your findings on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2852/230 ?
11:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: yes I will
11:15
<ogra>
thanks
11:20
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: did you use alpha 3, or the daily build?
11:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
alpha 3
11:20* alkisg tried with alpha 1 or 2, and dhcp got installed...
11:20
<alkisg>
k
11:21
<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, oh, use the daily build
11:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: oh :D
11:21
<ogra>
thats whats supposed to become alpha 4 if it gets a thumbs up from you
11:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
could I get a link to that?
11:22
<ogra>
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/2851
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oh, thats amd64, one sec
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http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/2852
11:23
better :)
11:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
k :)
11:24
ogra: any faster links for that? :P
11:24* _UsUrPeR_ is getting 40k/sec
11:24
<ogra>
use rsync
11:24* alkisg tries with the i386 version...
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<rjune_wrk>
!o
11:24
<ltspbot>
rjune_wrk: "o" is o is for ogra!!!!!!!!!
11:25* alkisg gets 200kbps :D
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<rjune_wrk>
howdy mate.
11:26
<alkisg>
Is sidux "debian enough" to try the classic debian ltsp on it?
11:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: wanna dcc that bad boy to me? :)
11:27
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: heh, 200k is my limit, if I dcc it'll drop :)
11:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
flpxj
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karmic-alternate-i386.iso
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1.56M 0% 44.67kB/s 4:32:39
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:(
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<ogra>
you rsync on top of an existing image you have already, right ?
11:32
hey rjune
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: just wondering it dhcp3-server changed to "recommends" instead of "depends"... could you upload `apt-cache show ltsp-server-standalone` from kamic to pastebot?
11:33
<ogra>
alkisg, stgraber did no uploads since last alpha, i doubt it changed anyhow
11:33
<alkisg>
Ah ok
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<stgraber>
ogra: I uploaded a new upstream ltsp and implemented udhcpc but I'm still waiting for a new ldm upstream
12:22
<ogra>
ah
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<_UsUrPeR_>
onoz!
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ogra: where'd the daily .iso go? :(
14:05* alkisg is installing it :D
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<bieb>
I have setup firefox to run as a local app and it works fine, only issue I have found is the network printers that are available in other programs are not available on FF, how can I fix that?
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<johnny>
did you install cups locally?
14:10
you might need to
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: could you plz dcc that to me?
14:10
pleaseeeeeeee?
14:10
:)
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<johnny>
and perhaps even modify the config to point to your printer if the discovery doesn't work
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: All of it? with 15kbps upload?
14:11* _UsUrPeR_ blanches
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<_UsUrPeR_>
15k?
14:11
nm :)
14:11
where's the .iso go though?
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: I got 2 mbps download, 256 kbps upload => 20-25 kb / sec...
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<Gadi>
bieb: you need to share your cups queues with the thin client network:
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<alkisg>
If you downloaded most of it, I can send you the rest, but all from the start it'll take days
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<Gadi>
bieb: edit cupsd.conf:
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<johnny>
was there a reasy for you to message me?
14:12
reason*
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<Gadi>
Add a: Listen *:631
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<johnny>
obviously gadi knows more about this than i do
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<Gadi>
bieb: and then an "Allow 192.168.0.*" in the <Location /> section
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bieb: finally, restart cups
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<bieb>
ok
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<Gadi>
there's prolly a GUI way, too
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:)
14:14
but heck if I know
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<johnny>
discovering remote queues isn't the defeault setting?
14:15
oh.. we probably don't install avahi by default huh?
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<Gadi>
cups doesn't listen for remote requests by default
14:16
I think
14:16* epsas_ just got sound working on ltsp 4.1
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<epsas_>
pita
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<johnny>
oh.. printing from server.. to thin client attached printer
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<Gadi>
mmm.... pita
14:16
<johnny>
i always forget about that.. i always think about printing to servers printers :)
14:16
<Gadi>
no
14:17
printing from local app
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to server print queue
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<johnny>
well if avahi is installed it should discover the remote printers?
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<Lns>
Gadi: did you happen to write those awesome cups-for-localapps in a wikipage somewhere? :)
14:17
If not I can make one w/the info you just provided
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<Gadi>
Lns: that would be great - I think the most I ever did waas a note in the bzr commit when I put the code in the client
14:18
:)
14:18
johnny: wouldn't cups on the server need to be listening
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?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: oh. :(
14:19
no problem
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<johnny>
yeah.. i guess there needs to be a better way to set these options than edit configfile
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<Lns>
Gadi: hehe
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<Gadi>
johnny: by default (in ubuntu), cups listens only to the loopback interface
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there's prolly an "enable sharing" somethingorother in the gui
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<Lns>
Gadi: et. all: System -> Administration -> Printing -> Server Settings tab will give you a [ ] Show printers shared by other systems
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<_UsUrPeR_>
there we go
14:21
something's screwed up with my other provider
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I am downloading that alternate via comcast @ 400KB/sec
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<Gadi>
Lns: I think you want the ones to allow other computers to print to the ones you share
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<Lns>
Gadi: oic - right below, [ ] Share published printers connected to this system (I assume you do this on the cups server and not on the client, else you get one of those whacky "my network places" spaghetti messes
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Gadi: you signing up for LTSP BTS?
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<davew>
Have just finished the install of K12 Linux Live server. although client is getting as far as a blue screen with a white box on it there is nothing else , not even a title for the box - any ideas ?
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<epsas_>
hmm
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<alkisg>
Hmmm... opensuse has ltsp live, k12 has ltsp live... time for ubuntu live ltsp :)
15:18
<johnny>
Ryan52, are you about?
15:19
<davew>
This has been a long month so far making the decision to go LTSP. I tied open suse and the Dell Dimension 2400 client had trouble logging in - so I tried ubuntu. This would allow the Dimension 2400 to work fine , but there are chunks of Ubuntu which I need that don't work dor instance the profile editor. I must have it since the system is real and I have 30 clients to manage with 150 different users.
15:19
<Ryan52>
johnny: hi
15:19
johnny: what's up?
15:19
<johnny>
davew, the profile editor works the same on others.. as in.. it doesn't..
15:20
davew, i'd recommend trying sbalneav's ppa package on ubuntu
15:20
the next version for gnome 2.28 should have some much needed fixes
15:20* Ryan52 is still coming down from an adrenaline rush when my database got DoSed...
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<davew>
because of a Sabayon problem - Bug No 150068 it doesn't - but as I say I have had to leave ubuntu behind.
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<johnny>
that bug exists in general.. on all distros
15:21
unless those folks have patches they aren't sharing
15:21* Ryan52 wonders if johnny is going to explain why he pinged me..
15:21
<davew>
I have tried sbalneav's package but it made no difference on mu Ubuntu.
15:21
<johnny>
davew, but as said.. there's an ubuntu package to fix it
15:21
well.. talk to him to see if you can get him to bump it
15:21
you're not likely to get a fixed version on other distros as you are on ubuntu
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<davew>
So I can't use LTSP - if these people are creating packages which are not complete or checked aren't we all stuffed ?
15:23
<johnny>
well.. they didn't have to publish the new version..
15:23
and coul have just ripped it out of the distro
15:23
but.. it isn't installed by default or anything
15:24
davew, it turns out there is a HUGE mismatch between the number of those who need the program and those who are interested in developing it
15:24
davew, if you and other people who needed that program so bad.. would all pony up some loot.. you could probably hire somebody to fix all the bugs
15:25
but as i said.. most of the big time issues are fixed in the next version
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<davew>
When I started this I took open suse got it installed and I find that on 15 machines (Dell Optiplex) LTSP works fine, but on the Dimension 2400's it won't.
15:26
<Lns>
davew: there *are* other ways to lock down/configure profiles beyond Sabayon, that people have been using (think gconf)...
15:26
though sabayon greatly reduces the learning curve to doing this, what's being done under the hood can still be done by an admin
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<davew>
Anything can be done - but what is easier than making all clients part of a group, and then setting up a profile for the group/
15:29
<Lns>
davew: nothing I can think of =) Of course we're not talking about simplicity right now, we're talking about actually getting the goal accomplished, right?
15:29
<johnny>
Lns, i was developing on sabayon.. but i got stumped at what happens between the main sabayon wrapper app and the xnest/xephyr window
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and that was where the problems were
15:29
but.. now sabayon will always use xephyr
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which is awesome
15:29
<Lns>
sbalneav is working wonders for sabayon..he's put so much time into fixing it, we should all send him a pint =)
15:29
<alkisg>
davew: well, right clicking on a group and selecting a task :) (instead of a profile which would take some time to prepare)
15:29
<johnny>
it supports all the X extensions that Xnest never could
15:30
like damange
15:30
damage*
15:30
perhaps i'll be able to work on it again
15:30
davew, i myself put some work in fixing some things in sabayon.. but i just didn't know enough X internals and python xlib interaction to be able to complete it
15:30
somebody else finally did.. just not soon enough for Jaunty
15:31
<Lns>
davew: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeOptimize in the meantime, and check the links out at the bottom too. You'll find a lot of useful information.
15:31
<davew>
The real problem with this is that apart from Ubuntu, all of the other distros I have used seem to have problems with the Dimension 2400 - have you any thoghts on that ?
15:31
<Lns>
davew: you need to give us more info on why they're not working
15:31
have you troubleshot at all?
15:33
<Ahmuck-Sr>
afternoon
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<davew>
I honestly don't know. I did get a few pointers from cyberorg to try with Open Suse, but not enough to clear the proble. I am a bit up against it. I need a system that works and having half that won't is no good at all hence the ubuntu and K12 Linux attempts
15:34
<Ahmuck-Sr>
davew, considered LDAP and NFS ?
15:35
davew: why do you want a ltsp system. what do you gain?
15:35
davew: i'm asking to find out where you are and why? i'm using ltsp and am interested
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<davew>
Control. I am using a Fedora Core Server and Windows XP clients which communicate via Samba. This is for educational use and I don't want to have to treat each machine as a n individualk and lock it down via Windows
15:40
There are also financial restrictions on hardware and we are working on a shoe string
15:40
<johnny>
who isn't...
15:40
<Ahmuck-Sr>
so, fedora server, windows clients, and ltsp to control them all
15:41
brb, need to pick up parents
15:41
<Lns>
davew: what are the specific aspects of the environment you need to lock down?
15:42
<johnny>
i'm confused.. windows clients and linux clients right?
15:42
<davew>
No - That's what we are currently using. Idea is new LTSP server and use the existing machines as Thin Clients
15:42
<johnny>
ok yes
15:43
<davew>
Being honest having seen todays episode I have no option but to fall back to Ubuntu and try to come up with the mechanisms for managing the clients
15:44
If I drop back to the earlier version of Ubuntu, did the LTSP management software work on that ?
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15:45
<johnny>
there's nothing wrong with ubuntu..
15:45
<alkisg>
"LTSP management software" ==> ?
15:45* Lns uses ubuntu 8.04 all the time w/ltsp
15:45
<davew>
But there so obviously is