IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:04 | <rkv> ping
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| 06:12 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 06:12 | <ltsp`> question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 06:43 | <alkisg> rkv: speak here, not in PMs
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| 06:45 | <rkv> i'm new to ltsp,is it okay to set up an ltsp environment in a single system?
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> What do you mean "single system"? Without any clients? Where would that be useful?
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| 06:46 | <rkv> for testing or exploring its working first
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| 06:46 | <alkisg> You would need a client to see if it's working
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| 06:46 | Either real one, or a virtual machine
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| 06:46 | <rkv> VM possible
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| 06:46 | ok
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| 08:00 | <IGuardian> Hello everyone
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 08:01 | <IGuardian> I am looking to use LTSP inside a Proxmox KVM, and the KVM'ed server needs to run headless, I don't want it wasting resources running a gui for the server. Any suggestions? thanks.
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| 08:06 | <alkisg> Suggestions for what? How to prevent a linux system from running the GUI? It depends on the distro, e.g. for Ubuntu you can pass "text" on the command line for that.
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| 08:07 | Also, running X needs < 50 MB of RAM, and a single LTSP user needs ~250 MB of RAM, so running X or not is usually not a matter of resources, but of security...
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| 08:12 | <IGuardian> It's both security and the GPU's ram, not so much the "Standard" Ram
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| 08:13 | So yes, what would be the best way to go about doing what I want to do? I was trying to work out how to put a mint matte thinclient kind of look :s
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> IGuardian: it's as simple as passing "text" into its command line
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| 08:24 | Just do a standard ltsp installation, and then disable X from loading
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| 08:26 | The GPU RAM isn't used at all in LTSP
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| 08:31 | <IGuardian> ok
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| 08:31 | how does one set up a ltsp server inside proxmox
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| 08:31 | at the moment i have ubuntu without proxmox
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| 08:32 | 2 nic on the server
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| 08:32 | one to a switch that router comes into and one going to the ltsp clients
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> For proxmox questions, it's better to contact them
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| 08:34 | Not the #ltsp channel...
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| 08:36 | <IGuardian> is there a "most reliable" distro at the moment for ltsp?
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> Debian and Ubuntu are fine
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| 08:59 | <IGuardian> ok, my ubuntu install seems sluggish thats all (fast server + gigabit) so was wondering why. Should I try installing something ontop like mate?
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> !directx
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| 08:59 | <ltsp`> directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> Also, thin clients are _normally_ a lot more sluggish than ltsp fat clients...
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| 09:00 | !fatclients
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| 09:00 | <ltsp`> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 09:03 | <IGuardian> so fat clients require a hard drive or is it using some kind of ram drive to mount apps etc?
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| 09:05 | <Hyperbyte> IGuardian, NBD. Provides the images over network, same with thin clients.
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| 09:06 | Thin clients get a minimal OS via network, where they can start X and LDM and then log onto an LTSP server to run the desktop
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| 09:06 | Fat clients get a full OS delivered via network.
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| 09:14 | <IGuardian> So, no hard drive?
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| 09:15 | Sorry im sleepy has heck right now, but trying to find the best solution to use.
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| 09:24 | <IGuardian> arg im so sleepy "fat clients use their own RAM and CPU power to run the applications. " so i guess no hdd
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| 09:25 | Looks like thats the way to go then.
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2013-September/msg00093.html
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| 10:19 | gnome-flashback session mentions LTSP ;)
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| 10:44 | <Hyperbyte> gnome-flashback?
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| 10:45 | So we have what... gnome-fallback, gnome-flashback, mate....
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> I hope all those will be joined into flashback
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| 10:52 | fallback is now deprecated
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| 10:52 | <Hyperbyte> flashback is Gnome 3 stack with Gnome 2 interface?
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> fallback was that too
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| 10:53 | I don't know exactly why they renamed it to flashback, maybe to get over its "end of life" status
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| 10:53 | http://packages.ubuntu.com/gnome-session-fallback => saucy (gnome): GNOME Session Manager - GNOME Flashback (transitional package) [universe]
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| 10:53 | highvoltage could tell us, he's one of the devs there ;)
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| 10:54 | Well, at least it appears here in Greece we've selected the correct "upgrade path"
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| 10:54 | ...we didn't use Unity at all, we changed the window buttons back to the right side etc etc
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| 10:54 | For 12.04 we used fallback, and for 14.04 we'll be using flashback, without XMir etc etc, so all is well again :)
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| 13:45 | <highvoltage> Hyperbyte: yeah flashback is just gnome fallback renamed with a few patches. it's just in maintenance mode for those who need to run it for a bit more
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| 13:45 | (meant to be put to rest at the end of the 14.04 / Jessie lifecycles)
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| 13:48 | <gbaman> hmm, how do i add repository sections like contrib and non-free to an LTSP image, can they be added via ltsp-build-client contfig file?
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| 13:49 | or do they have to be added later?
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> highvoltage: so, for 14.04 you'll be using flashback, right?
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| 13:56 | <Hyperbyte> highvoltage, so, people who don't like Gnome shell or Unity and want their classic Gnome interface regardless are screwed after 14.04?
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| 13:57 | Or am I wrong in this?
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| 13:57 | <work_alkisg> That's too far ahead in the future to care about.... we'll probably have LXDE with Qt 5 at that point :)
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| 14:15 | <highvoltage> alkisg: probably
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| 14:16 | Hyperbyte: well, 14.04 will be supported for 5 years
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| 14:16 | Hyperbyte: that gives everyone plenty of time to move on to xfce or other alternatives
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| 14:17 | Hyperbyte: there's a 'classic interface' implementation on gnome 3 too. it currently requires hardware acceleration, but that should hardly be an issue 5+ years from now
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| 14:17 | (I think it's called "Gnome Legacy" or something like that)
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