IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 29 September 2013   (all times are UTC)

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06:04
<rkv>
ping
06:12
<vagrantc>
!question
06:12
<ltsp`>
question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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06:43
<alkisg>
rkv: speak here, not in PMs
06:45
<rkv>
i'm new to ltsp,is it okay to set up an ltsp environment in a single system?
06:45
<alkisg>
What do you mean "single system"? Without any clients? Where would that be useful?
06:46
<rkv>
for testing or exploring its working first
06:46
<alkisg>
You would need a client to see if it's working
06:46
Either real one, or a virtual machine
06:46
<rkv>
VM possible
06:46
ok
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08:00
<IGuardian>
Hello everyone
08:01
<alkisg>
Hello
08:01
<IGuardian>
I am looking to use LTSP inside a Proxmox KVM, and the KVM'ed server needs to run headless, I don't want it wasting resources running a gui for the server. Any suggestions? thanks.
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08:06
<alkisg>
Suggestions for what? How to prevent a linux system from running the GUI? It depends on the distro, e.g. for Ubuntu you can pass "text" on the command line for that.
08:07
Also, running X needs < 50 MB of RAM, and a single LTSP user needs ~250 MB of RAM, so running X or not is usually not a matter of resources, but of security...
08:12
<IGuardian>
It's both security and the GPU's ram, not so much the "Standard" Ram
08:13
So yes, what would be the best way to go about doing what I want to do? I was trying to work out how to put a mint matte thinclient kind of look :s
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08:23
<alkisg>
IGuardian: it's as simple as passing "text" into its command line
08:24
Just do a standard ltsp installation, and then disable X from loading
08:26
The GPU RAM isn't used at all in LTSP
08:31
<IGuardian>
ok
08:31
how does one set up a ltsp server inside proxmox
08:31
at the moment i have ubuntu without proxmox
08:32
2 nic on the server
08:32
one to a switch that router comes into and one going to the ltsp clients
08:34
<alkisg>
For proxmox questions, it's better to contact them
08:34
Not the #ltsp channel...
08:36
<IGuardian>
is there a "most reliable" distro at the moment for ltsp?
08:44
<alkisg>
Debian and Ubuntu are fine
08:59
<IGuardian>
ok, my ubuntu install seems sluggish thats all (fast server + gigabit) so was wondering why. Should I try installing something ontop like mate?
08:59
<alkisg>
!directx
08:59
<ltsp`>
directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
09:00
<alkisg>
Also, thin clients are _normally_ a lot more sluggish than ltsp fat clients...
09:00
!fatclients
09:00
<ltsp`>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
09:03
<IGuardian>
so fat clients require a hard drive or is it using some kind of ram drive to mount apps etc?
09:05
<Hyperbyte>
IGuardian, NBD. Provides the images over network, same with thin clients.
09:06
Thin clients get a minimal OS via network, where they can start X and LDM and then log onto an LTSP server to run the desktop
09:06
Fat clients get a full OS delivered via network.
09:14
<IGuardian>
So, no hard drive?
09:15
Sorry im sleepy has heck right now, but trying to find the best solution to use.
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09:24
<IGuardian>
arg im so sleepy "fat clients use their own RAM and CPU power to run the applications. " so i guess no hdd
09:25
Looks like thats the way to go then.
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10:19
<alkisg>
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2013-September/msg00093.html
10:19
gnome-flashback session mentions LTSP ;)
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10:44
<Hyperbyte>
gnome-flashback?
10:45
So we have what... gnome-fallback, gnome-flashback, mate....
10:51
<alkisg>
I hope all those will be joined into flashback
10:52
fallback is now deprecated
10:52
<Hyperbyte>
flashback is Gnome 3 stack with Gnome 2 interface?
10:52
<alkisg>
fallback was that too
10:53
I don't know exactly why they renamed it to flashback, maybe to get over its "end of life" status
10:53
http://packages.ubuntu.com/gnome-session-fallback => saucy (gnome): GNOME Session Manager - GNOME Flashback (transitional package) [universe]
10:53
highvoltage could tell us, he's one of the devs there ;)
10:54
Well, at least it appears here in Greece we've selected the correct "upgrade path"
10:54
...we didn't use Unity at all, we changed the window buttons back to the right side etc etc
10:54
For 12.04 we used fallback, and for 14.04 we'll be using flashback, without XMir etc etc, so all is well again :)
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13:45
<highvoltage>
Hyperbyte: yeah flashback is just gnome fallback renamed with a few patches. it's just in maintenance mode for those who need to run it for a bit more
13:45
(meant to be put to rest at the end of the 14.04 / Jessie lifecycles)
13:48
<gbaman>
hmm, how do i add repository sections like contrib and non-free to an LTSP image, can they be added via ltsp-build-client contfig file?
13:49
or do they have to be added later?
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13:55
<alkisg>
highvoltage: so, for 14.04 you'll be using flashback, right?
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13:56
<Hyperbyte>
highvoltage, so, people who don't like Gnome shell or Unity and want their classic Gnome interface regardless are screwed after 14.04?
13:57
Or am I wrong in this?
13:57
<work_alkisg>
That's too far ahead in the future to care about.... we'll probably have LXDE with Qt 5 at that point :)
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<highvoltage>
alkisg: probably
14:16
Hyperbyte: well, 14.04 will be supported for 5 years
14:16
Hyperbyte: that gives everyone plenty of time to move on to xfce or other alternatives
14:17
Hyperbyte: there's a 'classic interface' implementation on gnome 3 too. it currently requires hardware acceleration, but that should hardly be an issue 5+ years from now
14:17
(I think it's called "Gnome Legacy" or something like that)
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