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Channel log from 4 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<makghosh>
burnerx: yep....you can use your laptop if it supports PXEBoot...also see the documentation at ltsp.org....
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<makghosh>
burnerx: but first run ltspcfg to update the conf files as required
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<burnerx>
command not found
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<makghosh>
burnerx: try as a root user
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<burnerx>
the same..
00:11
i am looking at my package manager
00:11
i dont need to have ltsp-client installed do i?
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<makghosh>
burnerx: it must be there.....which version of ltsp (4.2 or 5)?
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<Nikopoika>
i thought that the latest ltsp doesn't use ltspcfg at all?
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<burnerx>
i am trying to boot into the newly installed Edubuntu 7.04
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i haven't install/remove anything
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i just added a new user for use
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<makghosh>
Nikopoika: yep...i was wrong.....i use Fedora 7 for which ltsp 5 integration is still not there
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<Nikopoika>
if i remembered correctly all u need to do is build the ltsp client environment... cant remember sure though... you should should check the documentation at www.ltsp.org
00:15
makghosh: are u using k12ltsp?
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<makghosh>
Nikopoika: actually for 4.2 its fine....but for ltsp 5 i haven't tested it out as yet
00:16
Nikopoika: nope..Fedora 7
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<Nikopoika>
i was planning to try that out... just to see does it run well and so on..
00:17
<burnerx>
trying to create my thin client environment with sudo ltsp-build-client
00:18
got error saying adding default dist and components to security mirror
00:18
Root Directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already exists
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<makghosh>
Nikopoika: yeah..it's very good....
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<Nikopoika>
does it make a difference to install clean k12ltsp system, or just to install ltsp packages to my "clean" fedora 6...
00:20
<makghosh>
Nikopoika: simply install the ltsp packages in FC6.....i think it will work fine...also install fl_teachertool...it helps a lot
00:20
<Nikopoika>
what does it do? :o
00:22
teachertool i mean
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<makghosh>
check this> [www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/]...its a toolkit that also comes with k12ltsp i presume
00:22
<Nikopoika>
i see
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<makghosh>
its for global control over all ltsp terminals
00:24
ideal for a school environment
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<Nikopoika>
"Monitor student activity by viewing their screen"
00:25
no more break.com and other crap sites while in class :DD
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<makghosh>
he he :D
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<Nikopoika>
i'll propably try that out when i'm back home
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<makghosh>
yeah....
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<burnerx>
if my laptop doesnt support PXE ? what other options do i have ?
00:32
it does not have an attached CDROM
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<Nikopoika>
propably the bootrom is your best choice
00:33
u can bootrom in a floppy disc
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*u can have
00:34
check http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.3/
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<Nikopoika>
and check the doc's @ www.ltsp.org for help with the bootroms, if i remember correctly there is some advices how to use bootable floppy discs in there
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<burnerx>
why do i feel this is somewhat complicated...
00:36
prolly cuz i dont have a portable floppy around
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<garbat>
Blank to all. I have a problem with l'avvio of a thin client. In the log of the serveur it gives this error to me: pulseaudio[9028 ]: module-detect.c: failed to detect any sound hardware. You can help me?
01:05
<Nikopoika>
propably you're trying to load sound module for your unsupported sound card... not sure though
01:06
correct me if i'm wrong
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<ari_stress>
good afternoon
02:29
wazzup
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<burnerx>
hello
02:31
<ari_stress>
guys, i'm installing ltsp5 on 64bit for 32bit clients. the client environment is done. but i changed the ip address of the ltsp server. now, when i try to ltsp-update-sshkeys it said that WARNING: /opt/ltsp/./amd64/etc/ssh not found. skipping...
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<ari_stress>
the effect is: clients cannot logon to ltsp
02:33
when i try to logon from console, it said login incorrect
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<lns>
ari_stress, when you built the client environment, did you use the --arch i386 switch?
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<ari_stress>
lns: yes --arch i386
02:49
i need to run the ltsp-update-sshkeys if i change the ip addr of the ltsp server, right?
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<eugene_beast>
hi. how am I supposed to add a user account to LTSP 5 server (I'm using Ubuntu 7.04 distro's packages)? just having a host system's account seems to be insufficient (graphical logon doesn't proceedes)
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<asep>
halo
04:30
halo everyone
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<LTSP>
eugene_beast - Best guess for your problem... I found that you need to set up the new user in Ubuntu's control panel, then log in/out using that new account on the server before LTSP will pick them up and work right on a client. If your original admin-type account on the server cannot log in on a client then you've got another problem others on the list will need to help you with.
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<eugene_beast>
LTSP, thanks. I don't know what was the problem, but it disappeared. I can log in to my admin-type account already
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<ogra>
!s
08:10
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Morning ogra!
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav, ogra: Good Morning!
08:12
<sbalneav>
Morning Guaraldo
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08:13* ogra is slowly going insane over debconf and its fd usage
08:13
<sbalneav>
ogra: How's it going?
08:13
<ogra>
)&§$/)$")"!(§&##*)/§)($%"%
08:13
sligthly like that ...
08:14
<sbalneav>
:)
08:14
Anything I can help with?
08:14
<ogra>
i know wha there are not many people in the debian installer team ...
08:14
all that were not strong enough had their head explode
08:15
no no, i'm fine, thanks :)
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<ogra>
hmm, i got that far that it doesnt break with an error anymore ... but i dont get any output either ... grmblfjx
08:24
funny, if i cat the fifo i get everything
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<bartolomeo80>
hello
08:35
i'm asking for help with the configuration of a printer in cups and ltsp
08:35
the printer is connected to a terminal
08:35
after setting up all, the printer only recieves the first job
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and then cups shows it as busy
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could you help me please?
08:36
<Gadi>
bartolomeo80: what kind of printer? USB? parallel?
08:37
<bartolomeo80>
parallel
08:37
<Gadi>
and which LTSP version?
08:37
<bartolomeo80>
oki 4300
08:37
5
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<Gadi>
it sounds like the printer or the thin client is not supporting bidirectional communication
08:38
meaning, you can send print jobs (write to the printer) but cannot get feedback (read from the printer)
08:38
so, cups thinks its always busy
08:38
some places to check:
08:38
1. thin client BIOS (there is usually a setting in there for bidirectional, etc on the parallel port)
08:39
2. printer itself
08:39
3. you may be able to turn off the bidirectional support for that print queue in cups (not sure)
08:40
in any event, that would be where I would start looking into it
08:40
<bartolomeo80>
ok
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<bartolomeo80>
i'll check and i'll tell you what happen
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
08:46
<ogra>
Gadi, ?
08:46
<Gadi>
gutentag
08:46
<ogra>
hey hey
08:47
<Gadi>
I just did a fresh feistyLTSP install at a client, and I wanted to report another little buggie I noticed - I had to make /dev/shm/ world writable in order for flash sound to work (pulseaudio seemed to crash firefox otherwise) and this was with libflashsupport installed
08:48
just thought I'd mention it
08:48
<ogra>
??
08:48
i have never seen that
08:48
<Gadi>
yeah, it wass weird I thought, too
08:48
thepulseaudio device wanted to write a file to /dev/shm/
08:48
and couldnt
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bec it was only root-writable
08:49
<ogra>
did you fiddle with the defaults anyhow ?
08:49
<Gadi>
nope
08:49
this was totally clean
08:49
<ogra>
pulse shouldnt use /dev/shm
08:49
not at all
08:49
<Gadi>
maybe flash was?
08:49
<ogra>
well
08:49
flash only sees the virtual device on the server
08:50
which in the backend connects to pulse
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so there is no direct interaction possible
08:50
(flash cant see /dev/shm of the client)
08:50
<Gadi>
this was /dev/shm/ on the server
08:51
<ogra>
huh ?
08:51
<Gadi>
I had to make /dev/shm/ of the server 777
08:51
it wrote a file there
08:51
<ogra>
thats totally unrelated to ltsp then
08:51
<Gadi>
so, maybe it was just flash?
08:51
<ogra>
and sounds like a bug in the libflashsupport package you used
08:51
where did you get that ?
08:51
<Gadi>
but, I know pulse was dying
08:51
with permission denied
08:52
I got it from the edubuntu faq page
08:52
<ogra>
pulse shall in no case be or run on the server
08:52
it will block all client sound if it runs
08:52
<Gadi>
right, and things worked perfectly with sound on the client
08:52
after the change
08:53
<ogra>
well
08:53
something is clearly wrong anyway
08:54
<Gadi>
yeah. i didnt have much time onsite to investigate
08:54
<ogra>
flash shouldnt access any /dev/shm
08:54
and it surely doesnt here
08:54
<Gadi>
the only thing out of the norm that I am doing on that box is authenticating against AD with winbind
08:54
other than that, its a straight install
08:54
even switched from ubuntu-desktop to edubuntu-desktop
08:54
(its a school)
08:55
<klausade>
Gadi: /dev/shm is 1777 on all my debian servers, default.
08:55
<ogra>
err
08:55
you used an ubuntu feisty and made it edubuntu ?
08:55
<Gadi>
yes
08:55
<ogra>
why the heck didnt yoiu just install edubuntu ?
08:55
<Gadi>
i only had the ubuntu feisty cd on me
08:55
<ogra>
tsk
08:55
<Gadi>
:)
08:56
<ogra>
i need to change that at UDS
08:56
you need some CDs :)
08:56
<Gadi>
i do indeed
08:56
im always the last one at the cd table :P
08:56
<ogra>
(assuming you come, given the distance)
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<Gadi>
my last nut to crack with them is getting pam_mount+ldm working, but thats neither here nor there
08:57
<ogra>
well, gutsy+1 will get you some companions with that ;)
08:57
<Gadi>
wish I had gutsyLTSP - I would just put an ldm rc.d scriptie to mount things
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<ogra>
since we'll take care for all the network auth stuff with the new ubuntu small business server stuff
08:58
which i'll adapt for edubuntu and ltsp
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<Gadi>
ubuntu small bus server?
08:58
lol
08:58
look who's going M$
08:58
;)
08:59
<ogra>
:P
08:59
<Gadi>
I think I am having this guys problem: http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu.user.edubuntu/2006-11/msg00072.html
08:59
<ogra>
well, something like that will be there with gutsy+1
08:59
not sure they'll call it like that
09:00
Gadi, look for privilege separatiojn ;)
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<ogra>
thats your issue
09:00
<Gadi>
yeah, I know
09:00
<ogra>
ssh calls the mount module as a duifferent user afaik
09:00
there is some glitch with UID and EUID
09:01
<Gadi>
ah
09:01
loverly
09:01
:)
09:01
I may just hack the ldm again
09:01
the python one
09:01
<ogra>
well, with ldm2 it gets easier :)
09:02
<Gadi>
yes, I know
09:02
<ogra>
we wont need any extra pam stuff :)
09:02
just port it to feisty :P
09:02
<Gadi>
:P
09:03
<sbalneav>
ldm2 should pretty much be a plugin for feisty.
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<ogra>
yeah
09:04
should be possible to use in feisty if you manage to get the deps right
09:04
<sbalneav>
Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything that would stop it from working on feisty.
09:04
<ogra>
dependencies
09:05
you need to compile the source with the feisty libs
09:05
<sbalneav>
Well, I'm talking doing the ugly, and just compiling it and doing a copy :)
09:05
<ogra>
yeah, would worjk
09:06
<sbalneav>
breaks package management horribly, etc :)
09:06
<ogra>
you cant just use the gutsy binary
09:06
no, it wont
09:06
if you manually install it it will work fine
09:06
<sbalneav>
Well, if we upgrade ldm in feisty, and do an apt-get update in the chroot :)
09:07
but ASSUMING we don't do that, then no, won't hurt anything :)
09:07
<ogra>
you can do that
09:07
there wont be errors
09:07
<sbalneav>
right.
09:08
<ogra>
simply because ldm will be several versions above the feisty one
09:08
even if you upgrade or update it will just ignore it
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<Gadi>
ogra: so, you would have me install the gutsy ldm package ?
09:10
that would work?
09:11
<ogra>
as i said, that wouldnt work
09:12
you need to compile the gutsy ltsp package under feisty and use the ldm binary from there
09:13
<Gadi>
ah
09:13
ok
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<ogra>
and likely ldm will need stuff that isnt in a feisty chroot, so after dpkg -i you will need apt-get -f install
09:13
to let it sort the deps
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<ari_stress>
evening all
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<MrChicken>
Hello
10:17
I'm trying to configure a workstation for local printing
10:17
I already added the entries into lts.conf and into CUPS
10:17
and I can print a page, but nothing else, and from that point on I see the printer reported busy in cups
10:18
any ideas?
10:18
<ogra>
ltsp5 ?
10:18
<MrChicken>
yeap
10:18
xubuntu feisty
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<billguedes>
hi all
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<ogra>
there was a bug in jetpipe that caused a hanbg after one page...
10:18
<MrChicken>
'ello billguedes
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<billguedes>
who do i complied a new kernel in ltsp?
10:21
<MrChicken>
ogra so ....
10:21
what can I do?
10:22
<ogra>
MrChicken, apply the fix from launchpad bug #130472
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<billguedes>
people, please, who do i update the kernel in ltsp?
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<ogra>
in ltsp5: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update && sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get upgrade
10:27
for 4.x there are no newer kernels anymore as nobody touches it anymore
10:28
(development wise)
10:28
<billguedes>
excuse-me, i am used ltsp 4.2
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<ogra>
there is no kernel update for that
10:30
its not being developed since 2 years
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<billguedes>
hum
10:31
thanks
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<billguedes>
where can i find a document for configured the ltsp 5?
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<ogra>
!ubuntu
10:36
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
10:36
<ogra>
or
10:36
!debian
10:36
<ltspbot>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
10:36
<ogra>
and there is also a download page for ltsp5 tarballs (based on debian or ubuntu) http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
10:37
i wonder if ltspbot knows ltsp5
10:37
!ltsp5
10:37
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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<ogra>
billguedes, ^^^^^
10:38
there is largely no configuration needed for ltsp5, it uses the autodetection mechanisms of the distro its used in
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<ogra>
in ltsp5 you use the confoig file only to override autodetected values
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<billguedes>
ogra, but i installed the ltsp5 in my computer
10:41
the X worked, but the autentication didn't :-(
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why?
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<ogra>
you didnt run ltsp-update-sshkeys in the end
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<billguedes>
puts
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<cyberorg>
hi ogra first test release for suse with nbd root out, if any of you devs has access to 10.3 please try it out :)
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<billguedes>
this is obligation?
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<ogra>
saw the mail, congrats !
10:46
billguedes, ltsp-update-sshkeys is run at the end of ltsp-build-client usually
10:46
but if you changed the IP data for example, it wont have the right key in the chroot
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<cyberorg>
ogra, thanks, it is still not optimized yet, nor we have sound, printers, local devs working yet
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<ogra>
or if you used a tarball, you wouldnt have run ltsp-build-client
10:47
in these two cases ltsp-update-sshkeys is obligatory, yes
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<billguedes>
ogra, ok
10:48
cyberorg, are you used local device in client ltsp?
10:49
<ccjoe>
I am trying to get LTSP 5 up on Ubuntu 7.04 and it appears that the gdm greeter is resetting when a login is attempted. How can I debug this?
10:49
<sbalneav>
\o/ for cyberorg
10:50
<cyberorg>
sbalneav, thanks :)
10:50
<ogra>
ccjoe, see above :)
10:50
<cyberorg>
billguedes, we can manually mount using ltspfs on the client, need to fix up the scripts
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<ogra>
ccjoe, sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<ccjoe>
ogra, I've tried that already, didn't help
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<ogra>
check the ~/.xsession-errors of the user then
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<ogra>
there are three FAQ things that can prevent you from login ... one is a wrong ssh key ... one is a broken desktop setup or something related to that and the third is sabayon
10:54
if your ssh key is ok it can only be one of the others
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<ccjoe>
I tailed .~/xsession-errors during the login and didn't see anything; I've already checked sabayon
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<ogra>
removed it ?
10:57
<billguedes>
cyberorg, is it? http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-setup.sh
10:57
<ccjoe>
ogra, sabayon wasn't installed
10:57
<ogra>
it prevents *every* remote login by default
10:57
ok
10:58
dont install it then (unless you want to add every user to a profile)
10:58
<ccjoe>
ok
10:58
<cyberorg>
billguedes, no, this is devel release for testing for suse 10.3
10:58
<ogra>
paste your .xsession-errors to the pastebin
10:58
ccjoe, tharts a standard ubuntu desktop install ?
10:59
<ccjoe>
ogra, yes, I think so
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<billguedes>
cyberorg, who do you access the client?
11:04
<cyberorg>
billguedes, sorry, i dont follow
11:04
<ccjoe>
ogra, http://pastebin.org/1736
11:05
<billguedes>
cyberorg, what command are you using?
11:07
<cyberorg>
billguedes, you mean to mount local devices?
11:07
<billguedes>
yes
11:08
<cyberorg>
billguedes, see here http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP, last part
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<billguedes>
cyberorg, are you using GDM ou KDM?
11:21
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: so, opensuse isn't using a single line of the same code for their LTSP5 implementation?
11:22
not even the same command names ?
11:22
<cyberorg>
billguedes, LDM
11:24
vagrantc, for now there is ltspfs, ldm from LTSP5, it just boots up and ofers LDM and user can log in, but besides that, we still have to work on getting rest of LTSP5 working
11:24
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: can't you plug the kiwi stuff into the plugin infrastructure ?
11:26
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, we can probably put this folder in there: http://cyberorg.kicks-ass.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=.git;a=tree;f=ltsp/suse-10.3;hb=HEAD
11:26
that is all we've worked on till now
11:28
and suse ldm theme :) that is just a suse logo png replacing ubuntus and background changed to green
11:30
vagrantc, you can say this is more of sysadmin job that we've put in to get it running, real developers should now fill in
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11:33
<billguedes>
cyberorg, do you know which script is started after the session?
11:36
<cyberorg>
billguedes, we have yet to look into those, ldm handles running some commands on the client session
11:37
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: alright. just want to get people onto the same page with this stuff ... there's a real danger of massive forking with LTSP5
11:37
hard enough keeping ubuntu and debian in sync
11:38
cyberorg: so you got NBD+squashfs+unionfs working fine ?
11:38
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, we can use all all the same commands
11:38
<lns>
Hey where are the xorg.conf files generated for thin clients in LTSP5? I don't see one (besides xorg.conf.orig) in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11.
11:38
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, git is working just enough so clients can boot, and login using ldm, nbd swap is still to be implemented
11:39
<vagrantc>
lns: they're not stored on the server, they're generated on boot
11:39
<ogra>
vagrantc, hey
11:39
<vagrantc>
ogra: hey!
11:39
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, i am not even sure how it would perform on a real thin client with low resources
11:39
<billguedes>
cyberorg, you must add in script of the start session
11:39
<lns>
vagrantc, thanks. =) so how can i implement an xorg.conf switch 'SWCursor' to be used on the thin clients?
11:39
<ogra>
vagrantc, someone said here today you would be working on the redhat port now :)
11:39
<vagrantc>
ogra: pfft.
11:39
ogra: i did some work on it
11:40
<ogra>
seems your post was very misleading :P
11:40
<vagrantc>
well, fedora
11:40
<ogra>
really ?
11:40
oh
11:40
<vagrantc>
just what i posted, nothing more
11:40
<ogra>
i thought you only pointed them to your branch
11:40
my bad then
11:40
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, ltspfs, getltspcfg, ldm2 all work without modification
11:40
<ogra>
sure, why shouldnt they :)
11:40
<vagrantc>
ogra: that branch contains a single plugin to generate a fedora chroot and tweak their initramfs to use NFS root
11:41
<ogra>
the scripts will need to be different for you though
11:41
ah
11:41
<cyberorg>
ogra, so there is no real danger of fork :)
11:41
<ogra>
well, thats a start (sounds like the ancient ltsp-build-client)
11:42
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, i should probably split it into two or three plugins so they don't start making it all monolithic
11:42
<cyberorg>
in fact i am hoping you guys would use kiwi, it uses smart after all ;)
11:42
<ogra>
cyberorg, well, optimal would be to have the same scripts eveywhere and make them check the distro they are on
11:42* ogra doesnt use smart
11:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: so, i've got a branch with all of ubuntu's and debian's changes merged in preparation for a new upload into debian experimental or unstable
11:43
<ogra>
cool
11:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: though NBD+squashfs+unionfs hangs at random
11:43
<cyberorg>
ogra, kiwi currently has smart and zypper as a packagemanager, someone can integrate another :)
11:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: but the nfs root stuff works fine
11:43
<ogra>
vagrantc, hangs at random ?
11:43
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, it hangs the system ... not always at the same point ... sometimes immediately, sometimes a little ways into the boot ...
11:44
<ogra>
define that
11:44
ouch
11:44
<vagrantc>
system stops responding in any way shape or form
11:44* ogra doesnt see that anywhere
11:44
<lns>
how can i implement an xorg.conf switch 'SWCursor' to be used on the thin clients if there's no xorg.conf? can I use lts.conf?
11:44
<sutula>
lns: Don't know if you got your question answered in all this, but /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup is what sets up the X options
11:44
<ogra>
lns, you can use a static xorg.conf
11:45
<vagrantc>
ogra: so i'm guessing there's some significant differences in ... NBD, squashfs, and/or unionfs in ubuntu...
11:45
<ogra>
speeds up booting ;)
11:45
<lns>
ogra, even if i have differing thin client hardware?
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<ogra>
vagrantc, well, given that the squashfs as well as the unionfs modules are in the linux-ubuntu-modules package here i would assume so :)
11:46
lns, all broken ?
11:46
lns, you would usually only use that parameter on the broken box/HW indeed, not on all of them
11:46
<vagrantc>
ogra: maybe i should narrow down the hangs ... like do squashfs + bind_mounts or something
11:47
<ogra>
would be an option#
11:47
<lns>
ogra, well the deal is that when I'm using tsclient to connect to a Win2k server under LTSP, the mouse cursor changes randomly to a black square. I heard that "SWCursor" option in the Devices section of xorg.conf would help.
11:47
<ogra>
its likely unionfs
11:47
ubuntus version didnt change since ages because they always discovered new scary bugs with newer versions
11:47
<lns>
ogra, is there any doc on how to specify xorg.conf files for specific machines/MACs?
11:48
<ogra>
lns, you add a MAC adress based section to lts.conf
11:48
<lns>
ogra, gotcha. thanks =)
11:49
<ogra>
see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/
11:49
whoops
11:49
thats: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/ in old versions :)
11:50
<lns>
ogra, hey can you use wildcards in the MAC sections of lts.conf?
11:50
that would really help with certain lines of hardware
11:50
<ogra>
i dont think so
11:50
sbalneav would know
11:51* ogra cries about debconf evilness
11:51
<ogra>
vagrantc, we'll need to change all our chrootewd apt-get calls
11:51
early-, late-packages at least
11:52
<lns>
ogra, thank you
11:52
<vagrantc>
ogra: oh, for debian-installer stuff ?
11:52
<ogra>
i'm trying to implement proper progress reporting in d-i and debconf is making me pull my hair out
11:53
every app redirects its stuff to another fd
11:53
its so weird
11:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: implement it as ltsp-chroot, and then have ltsp-chroot behave differently if it's d-i
11:54
<ogra>
d-i's debconf hogs one ... in-target hogs another, apt-get in the chroot hogs one, debconf one, dpkg sanother ARGH .... i'm having little steam rings coming out of my ears
11:54* ogra started drawing diagrams on his whiteboard to even remotely grasp that crap
11:54
<vagrantc>
ah, so simply using in-target isn't going to fix it ?
11:55
<ogra>
no
11:55
we need something like in-target to replasce the chroot calls *in* ltsp-build-client
11:55
<lns>
sbalneav, whenever you have a chance, wildcards in MAC section of lts.conf? possible or no?
11:56
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client is called by in-target ... but in the /target dir the debconf stuff is reset
11:56
<vagrantc>
ogra: that's what i mean ... change ltsp-build-client to use ltsp-chroot, and have ltsp-chroot use in-target when running from d-i
11:56
oh, wait ... there is no in-target
11:56
<ogra>
right
11:56
<Gadi>
lns: no wildcards, but there is a "LIKE" statement you can use
11:56
<ogra>
and if ltsp-chroot provides what we want there is no need for it
11:57
i got to the point where i have it running through smoothly
11:57
<lns>
Gadi, hmm.. dont see that, i'll google. Thank you =)
11:57
<ogra>
my only prob now is that the progressbar stops reading from the fifo
11:57
<Gadi>
lns, ie: you can have a [MyHardware] section and then lots of: [<MAC>] LIKE=MyHardware
11:57
<ogra>
but if i cat the fifo i get beautiful output
11:59
<lns>
Gadi, great...hopefully that will help my situation, thanks =)
11:59
i need to study lts.conf a bit more
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12:00
<vagrantc>
that would be a really useful feature.
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<ogra>
vagrantc, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36347/ thats the change i need to early-packages to make d-i not break
12:01
we'll need to wrap that into ltsp-chroot
12:02
<vagrantc>
ogra: eeew.
12:02
<ogra>
yup
12:07
<sbalneav>
lns: possible, but someone has to do the programming :)
12:08
<lns>
sbalneav, i'll file a bug report if it will help
12:08
<sbalneav>
No, that wont help, sending me patches to enable regex's would :)
12:08
<lns>
at my sites there are specific groups of similar hardware, this would be pretty nice to have for that
12:08
<sbalneav>
But file a bug so we don't loose track of the feature request.
12:08
<lns>
oh...well as soon as i find a capable programmer... ;)
12:08
<sbalneav>
Mark it as a wishlist.
12:08
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: where does one file bugs for upstream LTSP features ?
12:09
<lns>
sbalneav, ok..thanks =)
12:09
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: That's a good question.
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<sbalneav>
does ltsp-drivers on launchpad have an associated bug tracking area?
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<sbalneav>
What, I look like I know what I'm doing? :)
12:10
Boy, have I got *YOU* fooled :D
12:10
<vagrantc>
there is an ltsp product in launchpad, i guess
12:10
<sbalneav>
yeah, I suppose file it there.
12:11
<vagrantc>
and ltsp-drivers should probably be made responsible for that, if that's the sort of thing that can be done
12:11
<sbalneav>
It's a reasonable suggestion. We'd just have to get regex's going for that string.
12:12
out for lunch
12:12
<vagrantc>
in C ...
12:12
<sbalneav>
bb in an hour
12:12
<vagrantc>
i should start running errands...
12:15
<sutula>
vagrantc: Do you still have a minute?
12:15
<vagrantc>
sutula: just ask a question and i'll respond if i can :)
12:15* sutula found one of the script issues he fought yesterday
12:15
<vagrantc>
no need to prepend questions with questions :)
12:15
<sutula>
:)
12:16
vagrantc: ltsp-client-setup, approx line 261, does the top of trunk still have:
12:16
echo $debconf_commands | debconf-communicate $xserver_package
12:16
vagrantc: I think it needs to have:
12:16
echo -e $debconf_commands | debconf-communicate $xserver_package
12:17
<vagrantc>
sutula: it's simply echo without the -e ...
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<vagrantc>
that's probably why it's broken...
12:17
<sutula>
vagrantc: At least on Etch, debconf-communicate can't handle more than one command without it
12:18
<pablo-uy-mvd>
hi! how do i enal autologin for my terminals? each of them must use a different user
12:18
<sutula>
vagrantc: I can submit a bug
12:18
<vagrantc>
sutula: please do.
12:18
<sutula>
np
12:18
<vagrantc>
sutula: although, if you set your default shell to dash, i bet it will work
12:18
<sutula>
vagrantc: Probably :)
12:18
<vagrantc>
i think it's a bashism how the different echo commands behave
12:18
or builtins
12:18
<ogra>
vagrantc, isnt dash default in the client env in debian ?
12:19
<vagrantc>
ogra: i probably wouldn't have suggested to use dash if it was :P
12:19
<ogra>
why didnt you make it the default ?
12:19* ogra cant even remember ltsp without dash
12:19
<vagrantc>
never got around to it
12:20
<ogra>
but then i never had to care :)
12:20
<vagrantc>
right, it just happened in ubuntu
12:20
<ogra>
since we use it systemwide anyway
12:20
sad
12:21* sutula was studying new maintainer materials a week or so ago and remembers seeing something that config scripts need to work in bash as well as dash, but in this specific case, it might be OK to use dash
12:21
<vagrantc>
it's impossible to have scripts work with both bash and a real POSIX shell.
12:21
with certain features
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<vagrantc>
we could call /bin/echo ...
12:22
<ogra>
sutula, well, since most development happens in ubuntu for ltsp, you can pretty safely assume the scripts are all dash compatible :)
12:22
vagrantc, eeek
12:23
<vagrantc>
sutula: but really, that code is sort of on it's way out ... sort of.
12:23
<sutula>
ogra: In this case, it wouldn't hurt...debconf-communicate is terribly slow anyway
12:23
<ogra>
sutula, in gutsy we dropped it
12:23
completely ...
12:23
<sutula>
ogra: That's one way of killing the issue :)
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<ogra>
yeah
12:24
<vagrantc>
ogra: so, i'm looking at introducing a X_CONFIG_COMMAND so you aren't stuck with configure-x.sh if you want something else.
12:24
or X_CONF_COMMAND
12:24
<ogra>
we dont use the maintainer scripts anymore for configuring X
12:24
<vagrantc>
default to configure-x.sh
12:24
<ogra>
feel free :)
12:24
<vagrantc>
should be trivial to write, and gives us a lot of flexibility
12:24
<ogra>
configure-x.sh should get a proper name before release ...
12:25
<vagrantc>
no doubt
12:25
drop the .sh, for the love of ... something important to you
12:25
<ogra>
but not before i have that god damned udeb working
12:25* ogra curses debconf once more
12:25* vagrantc curses in solidarity
12:26
<ogra>
vagrantc, do you know why nobody joins the installer team in debian ?
12:26
<vagrantc>
ogra: no
12:26
<ogra>
people that tried had their heads exploding ... i'm serious
12:26
!
12:27
<vagrantc>
maybe i should join
12:27
<ogra>
be careful that might end in some kind of insanity ...
12:28
<vagrantc>
anyways .... weeeee
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Still around?
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<sbalnea1>
Hmm
15:10
Trying to set up gaim.
15:10
For irc.
15:12
Hold on, going to exit, and re-enter
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<sbalneav>
test
15:12
Ah, that's better.
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<Ryudo>
hi all i using ltsphi can some help me ?
15:24
I am using the ltsp 5 and I am having problems wich umount the pendrivers in the terminals, error of fstab or root (permission issues?) /media/$user
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<sbalneav>
So, what exactly is happening?
15:28
Ryudo: What's not working for you, exactly. Please describe your symptoms.
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<Ryudo>
sbal i try umount pendrive on terminal , and this umount ! ERRO of permission
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<sbalneav>
how are you trying to unmount the perdrive? You should just be able to pull it out, it unmount automatically
15:32
<Ryudo>
using UMOUNT option of menu
15:33
of nautilus
15:33
<sbalneav>
What linux distro are you using?
15:33
<Ryudo>
ubuntu 7.04
15:33
<sbalneav>
There's no unmount option in the menu for ltsp mounts.
15:34
what happens if you just unplug the pendrive?
15:34
does the icon go away?
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<Ryudo>
yes the icon go away
15:39
but its cause damge on pendrive ?
15:40
<sbalneav>
nope.
15:40
the automounter built into ltspfs makes sure that the usb drive is kept clean.
15:40
<Ryudo>
safe remove = windows xp ?
15:40
<sbalneav>
I don't know anything about Windows XP, I've never run it.
15:41
<Ryudo>
or sorry
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<Ryudo>
i can remove pendrive no fear ? dont damge that ?
15:42
<sbalneav>
It will be fine.
15:42
unless you yank it out in the middle of writing.
15:43
obviously
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<Ryudo>
humm
15:44
i write the file on it ,and the pendrive write the file on the or i can use sync comand ?
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<sbalneav>
We're using synchronous writes, so as soon as you're writing to the pendrive, it's being synced and flushed.
15:49
<Ryudo>
cool !
15:50
sbal you say the new version of ltsp 5 is morre faster , using apt-get for update the distro via chroot on /opt/ltsp/i386 i give the new version wich improvements ?
15:51
or only gutsy version
15:51
?
15:52
<sbalneav>
Gutsy is the faster version.
15:52
That's where we've re-implemented LDM in C.
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<Ryudo>
I cannot use the ubuntu version 7.04 for obtain the packages of the ltspnew (gutsy) : ( its it correct ?
15:55
new ltsp only wich new version gutsy correct ?
15:55
<sbalneav>
correct.
15:55
You'd have to dist-upgrade to gutsy.
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<Ryudo>
humm ok thank you sbal !
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<lns>
Would you guys say that Gutsy is ready for production environments? I know it's not 'officially' ready yet, just curious as to what you all think
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<bartolomeo80>
hello
17:57
anyone can help to fix a problem with xarchiver
17:58
17:58
only works quit root users
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<bartolomeo80>
and when i open it via "aplications"
18:01
it works
18:01
what i can do
18:01
<mistik1>
where are you trying to create the archive?
18:02
<bartolomeo80>
in the home folder of the user
18:02
<mistik1>
this is off topic btw
18:02
<bartolomeo80>
18:03
<mistik1>
If there user has permissions to the destination and at least read access on the source it should be no problem
18:04
I am not familiar with xarchive however
18:04
s/permissions/write access/
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<richguit>
ogra: a while ago you were talking about a billing solution in ubuntu ltsp
18:06
is there something to test?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
18:56
<whiprush_>
hi sbalneav
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<lns>
hi sbalneav
19:52
<sbalneav>
Hello lns
19:54
<lns>
well i just got back from about the easiest ubuntu/LTSP install ever
19:54
couldn't have gone smoother...server feisty install, ltsp build, ff32/flash/java script, typingmaster java web app
19:54
everything's workign perfectly so far
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:55
<sbalneav>
Evening all
20:56
hey jammcq
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<ari_stress>
morning all
21:00
<sbalneav>
Time to have a look at bip, I think
21:00
<jammcq>
bip ?
21:00
isn't that an IRC proxy ?
21:00
<sbalneav>
irc proxy
21:00
yup
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<jammcq>
yeah, I tried setting it up once. got frustrated and forgot about it
21:01
<sbalneav>
keith mentioned it.
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<jammcq>
keithp ?
21:01
yeah, he told me about it
21:01
<sbalneav>
The very same!
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<sbalneav>
ok, lets see if this works.
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<sbalneav>
So, can anyone see me?
21:36
<ari_stress>
no, where is sbalneav :D
21:36
<sbalneav>
heh
21:36
Just testing an irc proxy.
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<sbalneav>
I've just installed bip
21:37
Evening vagrantc!
21:37
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: heya
21:38
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: can you privmsg me? I'm just wanting to test out my irc proxy.
21:38
Let me know if you've done it. :)
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: done
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<sbalneav>
Thankee
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<ari_stress>
gtg
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<sbalneav>
/bip help
22:46
<ccjoe>
well, apparently ubuntu ltsp doesn't have ssh-server as a dependency - that was the problem with my login problem. Duh, I should of thought of that.
22:47
my hopefully last remaining problem is that the ps/2 mouse I'm using on a Jammin 225 seems to only move horizontally in the middle of the screen, no vertical movement. Any ideas?
22:49
<sbalneav>
Not off the top of my head. Got a usb mouse to try?
22:55
<ccjoe>
Yea, a USB mouse works. The PS/2 seems to have the same problem with this version of ubuntu.
22:56
<sbalneav>
Could be a bad mouse.
22:58
<ccjoe>
could be, I have no way to be sure, so I guess its new mouse time
23:04
<sbalneav>
Fortunately, mice are cheap.
23:05
I've completely abandoned ps/2 mice. I only go for usb now.
23:05
That way, when testing mice at terminals, you can plug/unplug em without screwing up x
23:05
as well, the connectors are a lot less fragile.
23:11
<ccjoe>
yea, its time for us to change over the rest of the way
23:28
<lns>
sbalneav, you know i've never had issues with ps/2 mice (or keyboards) in X...of course i never unplugged them on a thin client
23:28
i know windows always freaks out
23:53
<vagrantc>
sutula: you've been busy reporting bugs :)