IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 25 March 2013   (all times are UTC)

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15:28
<jammcq>
good morning friends
15:29* vagrantc waves
15:29* vagrantc wonders who to pester for access to dev pages on wiki.ltsp.org
15:30
<jammcq>
I think I can do that
15:32
vagrantc: assuming your userid is 'Vagrant', you now have access to edit pages
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: thanks!
15:55
well, just updated the instructions at http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes#Current_Progress
15:56
encoded a lot of the instructions into an ltsp-pam package
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<Hyperbyte>
Nice!
16:17
<vagrantc>
although it kind of masks what's needed for non-debian distros...
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16:17
<vagrantc>
though eventually the ltsp-pam package should just get merged into the appropriate ltsp packages.
16:17
<ltspuser_54>
Hi
16:18
I'm trying to put pam_mount working with LTSP
16:18
I want to mount a windows share on Ubuntu 12.04 when a user logins
16:19
using a ldm session
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<ltspuser_54>
anyone tried?
16:21
<vagrantc>
you'd just need to edit /etc/pam.d/ssh* to use pam_mount, no?
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<ltspuser_54>
I tried but without success
16:24
pam_mount is used but can't get the user's pass
16:25
It works with normal login and xrdp
16:25
but with ssh I can't put it working...
16:28* vagrantc vaguely recalls something about libpam-mount and ssh in /usr/share/doc/libpam-mount/README*
16:29
<vagrantc>
sshd might drop privledges too early for pam_mount to work or something like that
16:29
but this is a very vague and distant memory
16:31
ltspuser_54: sort of similar issue: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/587
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<ltspuser_54>
I saw that one too...
16:41
but if you add ssh=1 to the volume definition in /etc/security/pam_mount.conf.xml I think that should do the same...
16:44
Update 2: As noted in a comment, if using pam_mount version 0.35 or later: the -o workaround is no longer necessary, and pam_mount includes a SSH_ASKPASS wrapper written in C that can be used by specifying ssh="1".
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<boom^time>
Hey guys, I'm trying to find the program/code here in the source that forwards parallel/serial/usb to a specific network port from the configuration in lts.conf. Would anyone mind pointing me in the right direction?
17:17
I'm looking in ltsp-5.4.5
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<vagrantc>
boom^time: what devices do you plan to connect? a printer? usb storage device?
17:19
there's jetpipe for printing, and ltspfs for usb storage (and other storage) devices ...
17:19
you could explore using usbip, but there's currently no code in ltsp to support it.
17:23
<boom^time>
I want to hang either a parallel/serial/usb printer of any type off the thin client and I thought there was a pass through piece of code as part of LTSP that opened up port 9100 on the eth side and would forward requests to the peripheral par/ser/usb; I was led to believe that it's a small c daemon that would handle this.
17:24
is it jetpipe that I'm thinking of?
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<vagrantc>
that's jetpipe
17:25
it's a python daemon, currently
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<boom^time>
Do you know if it used to exist in c? and if so what version of ltsp I should look for? I'm not very proficient in python.
17:26
<vagrantc>
boom^time: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files/head:/client/jetpipe/
17:27
boom^time: there was a version in C, yes.
17:27
<boom^time>
did it go by the same name? thanks for the link btw.
17:29
<vagrantc>
there's also a project called p910nd that's written in C that does a similar thing ...
17:29
i don't remember if jetpipe was the python rewrite of the older c-based thing we were using
17:30
there was some licensing issue with (one of the) version(s) in C
17:30
<boom^time>
Oh okay.
17:32
<vagrantc>
it was called lp_server, i think
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switched to jetpipe in 2007 ... so a while back
17:35
<boom^time>
oh wow, yeah. it's been awhile.
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<boom^time>
So the python solution would require a python interpretor + any libraries to exist on the thin client then I'm assuming?
18:06
<alkisg>
Afaik socat would be enough for network port <=> printer redirection... wouldn't it?
18:06
<boom^time>
yeah it looks like originally it was a piece of code written by Ken Yap called p910nd which was then replaced with lp_server which had the license issue you mentioned and replaced with the python.
18:10
<alkisg>
Someone speaking about jetpipe + socat in the ltsp-discuss ml: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg38892.html
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<vagrantc>
boom^time: no, p910nd and lp_server were completely separate implementations
18:14
<alkisg>
jetpipe: VSZ=11480 RSS=2700, socat: VSZ=5344 RSS=1084 ==> yup socat sounds better :)
18:14
<vagrantc>
boom^time: they did basically the same thing, but completely different code
18:14
<alkisg>
(with a wrapper shell script that converts lts.conf options to socat options)
18:14
<boom^time>
right I know they were separate I meant replaced not rewritten.
18:14
<vagrantc>
i think lp_server was originally from lprng
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<boom^time>
err.. renamed
18:15
ah okay
18:15
alkisg, looking into socat
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<vagrantc>
but if alkisg says to try socat, i'd go along with it :)
18:15
<alkisg>
boom^time: if you make it work, do file some bug report about it so that we use that instead of jetpipe in ltsp6... :P)
18:16
We could probably include a bit of security with socat as well
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<boom^time>
Hah yeah I'm taking a look. I'll keep you posted guys posted.
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<boom^time>
did you say there is currently no USB=>Network solution in LTSP?
18:20
<vagrantc>
depends on what you wnat
18:21
usb devices with filesystems can be accessed using ltspfs
18:21
but there's no raw usb support built in
18:21
you could possibly explore usbip for that
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<boom^time>
Yeah it looks like for printers you can IO redirect /dev/usblpX
18:25
I'll definitely look into usbip. I just didn't like the idea of multiple daemons for multiple interconnects for the same kind of device.
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19:37* vagrantc ponders tinkering with libpam-sshauth and gdm3 and kdm ...
19:54
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Hey ho, saw your updates!
19:55
I've already tried substituting in slim for lightdm, and it works. Basically, all I had to do was take the "lightdm" pam file, and rename it to 'slim' in /etc/pam.d
19:55
In theory, kdm and gdm should be just as easy.
19:56
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so, i packaged up all the manual steps ...
19:56
<sbalneav>
Yeah, I saw! Awesome.
19:56
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so it's in a sense, far more clear (if you can read .deb), but less clear on the wiki page
19:57
i don't want it to turn into a debian(-derivative) show :)
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<vagrantc>
well, kdm just seemed to crash on login ...
20:32
gdm3 worked fine.
20:35
slim apparently doesn't use .desktop files to define sessions...
20:35* vagrantc wonders where they are coming from
20:35
<vagrantc>
it seems to use an arbitrary list of hard-coded session types...
20:40
though it seems we could hack that in.
20:40
so lightdm and gdm3 work without a hitch...
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<ltspuser_51>
Thanks. Can you tell me the difference between the command kiwi-ltsp and kiwi-ltsp-setup since both are available
20:43
<vagrantc>
xdm seems to only log in locally
20:44
no clue about kiwi-ltsp stuff
20:44
they kind of dance to the beat of a different drummer
20:45
<ltspuser_51>
I run Suse 12.2. I install Easy-Ltsp for 12.2 and then, to execute, I run kiwi-ltsp -c to configure it as described within the installation instructions.
20:46
However, I try to run T200 working with UDP, not TFTP and then, they are unable to connect together.
20:46
I also tried with another machine with GPXE and also, I can't connect to the LTSP server. I'm then stucked
20:48
Any clue?
20:50* vagrantc wonders what other feasible login managers people might want to use...
20:51* vagrantc ponders nodm
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: KDM crashed? Hmmm, any indication of where it was unhappy?
21:12
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: nothing in kdm.log
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<vagrantc>
it also dies kind of stupidly.
21:13
<sbalneav>
I guess the 3 of the top of my head I'd expect people'd want to use would be GDM, KDM and LightDM.
21:13
<vagrantc>
i.e. X crashes, but it doesn't restart or anything
21:13
yeah, that was the list i was thinking of... 2 out of 3 ain't bad :)
21:13
<sbalneav>
Hmmm, you just installed kdm in the chroot? I can probably play around with that.
21:14
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i've also rewritten some of the plugins to respond more generically to DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER
21:14
also had a hook with lightdm to set ltsp session as default
21:14
<sbalneav>
Wonder if it's interacting badly with either libpam_sshauth or libpam_exec, that could be a problem.
21:15
<vagrantc>
i should update the ltsp-pam package with my manual changes
21:15
<sbalneav>
did you already upstream the "pam-examples" stuff?
21:15
<vagrantc>
and push my own copy somewhere.
21:15
<sbalneav>
yeah, do that, lets upstream it.
21:15
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: the "ltsp-pam-examples"
21:15
<sbalneav>
ok, cool.
21:16
<vagrantc>
i made a debian package out of them
21:16
<sbalneav>
between that and current ltsp, we can smush the two of 'em together when we get ready to cut the first rev of LTSP6
21:16
<vagrantc>
but i think it should just get integrated into ltsp(6)
21:18
yeah, that's basically what the ltsp-pam package i have does.
21:19
takes ltsp-5.4.x and adds ltsp-pam on top of that, and, violas! ltsp6-ish.
21:33
<kev_j>
for what reasons would I not have a ltsp-xorg.conf file?
21:35
<vagrantc>
it only generates one if the configuration uses something that requires an xorg.conf
21:35
many X configuration things these days are autodetected or can be configured at runtime
21:36
<kev_j>
and if I am having issues with the size of the virtual screen?
21:36
for dual screen setups
21:37
I can't seem to get the virtual desktop size to work correctly.. I try running "xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1920x1024 --right of DVI-1" in the shell and it comes back and tells me the screen cannot be larger than blah blah blah. so I tried setting x_virtual="3840 1080" in lts.conf, but it doesn't change anything. So I dunno...
21:38
I was kinda hoping it was something to do with that so I had something to go off of
21:40
<vagrantc>
yeah, i think those settings should trigger ltsp-xorg.conf getting generated
21:40
i have almost no experience with dual-headed displays and ltsp
21:41
sbalneav: for my current branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-pam-examples
21:42
<kev_j>
it shouldn't matter if I have an ATI card as opposed to the Nvidia card in the server and other clients though, should it?
21:43
<vagrantc>
nvidia can be pretty invasive ...
22:00
<kev_j>
would I need to manually set the xserver in lts.conf?
22:00
<vagrantc>
there's something the non-free nvidia drivers do to mangle the mesa libraries on the server-side that miht cause headaches
22:02
<kev_j>
so could I do a re-install of the mesa libs to correct it or would I be screwed if that's what happened?
22:02
<vagrantc>
kev_j: you're going to have to do more research, i'm just throwing things out that i've heard...
22:03
or wait for someone with better knowledge of the situation
22:04
<kev_j>
gotcha.. I appreciate it, and I am trying to research it while I am asking too, just wasn't sure if it was something you had seen or what. So thanks as always vagrantc! You always at least point me in the right direction
22:07
<vagrantc>
glad to do that much, at least :)
22:07
<kev_j>
oh... do you know of who might know more? or who here might have more experience with b.s. like this and dual head setup in ltsp?
22:09
brb, gotta restart the server
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hrm. ltsp-cleanup kills things like screen and tmux sessions :(
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: seems like kdm somehow caused pam_sshauth to segfault
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