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Channel log from 31 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:23 | <kaos01> anone any ideas why my client can read one flash drive but not the other ?
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| 05:28 | <cliebow__> is it partitioned?
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| 05:31 | <kaos01> not sure what that means
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| 05:31 | i just formated it in winxp
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| 05:44 | <cliebow__> i dont think it works unlless /dev/sda has a partition in it like /dev/hda1..partition it in linux with fdisk then format with mkdosfs
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| 05:55 | <kaos01> ok, thats not so great, as most win users will have problems :)
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| 05:56 | <cliebow__> have any idea what it took to get that much working?put a usb stick in one machine and have it pop up on another?
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| 05:57 | <kaos01> oh i didnt mean anything bad by it :)
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| 05:58 | just making an observation in terms of usebility for the avarage man :)
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| 05:58 | its a really cool thing
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| 06:00 | <cliebow__> sorry to get testy..most drives are partitioned out of hte box..
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| 07:59 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 07:59 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 08:24 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:25 | <pscheie> good morning
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| 08:25 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 08:25 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 08:25 | how's it goin?
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| 08:26 | <Blinny> Oh, you know.
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| 08:26 | You?
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| 08:27 | <jammcq> goin great, as alwasy
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| 08:27 | <pscheie> if I put something in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules.conf, will the client read that during bootup?
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| 08:27 | <jammcq> nope
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| 08:27 | <pscheie> nuts. why not?
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| 08:27 | <jammcq> cuz
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| 08:27 | <pscheie> oh, okay, that explains it -)
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| 08:28 | is there any other way to pass a parameter for the NIC driver for the client?
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> yeah, through NICOPTS=" " as a kernel parameter
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| 08:29 | putting it in the /opt/ltsp/i386 tree would be waaaaaaay too late
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| 08:29 | <pscheie> set in the dhcpd.conf?
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| 08:29 | <jammcq> by the time you've got /opt/ltsp/i386, you've already loaded the module and initialized the nic
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| 08:29 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions
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| 08:30 | * pscheie goes to the wiki... | |
| 08:30 | <jammcq> depends on whether you are using PXE or Etherboot, look at that article I mentioned above
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| 08:30 | <pscheie> i'm using pxe
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| 08:31 | <jammcq> ah, it's NICOPT, not NICOPTS
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| 08:31 | in fact, here's how the nic module gets loaded:
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| 08:31 | modprobe -v ${NIC} ${IOADDR} ${IRQOPT} ${NICOPT}
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| 08:31 | so, you can pass IOADDR, IRQOPT and NICOPT
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| 08:31 | either or all of those
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| 08:35 | <pscheie> so, if the syntax in modules.conf is '3c59x options=0x408', how would I put that in the default file?
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| 08:36 | 'nic=3c59x options=0x408'?
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| 08:36 | <jammcq> NICOPT=options=0x408
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| 08:36 | the 3c59x will get auto-detected, unless you have more than one nic in the computer
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| 08:36 | so you shouldn't need to specify the nic
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| 08:36 | <pscheie> nope, just the one on-board nic, which is being detected.
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| 08:37 | lemme try this...
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| 08:37 | <jammcq> but if you must, then it would be: NIC=3x59x NICOPT=options=0x408
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| 08:40 | <pscheie> well, that works for passing the NIC option
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| 08:40 | unfortunately, it also causes the terminal to hang during bootup :-(
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| 08:41 | I get a dhcpd failure error.
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| 08:41 | grrr
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| 08:41 | <jammcq> what does 'options-0x408' do ?
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| 08:41 | what is it *supposed* to do ?
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| 08:41 | <pscheie> supposedly fix wake on lan
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| 08:41 | see http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/2/20/63
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> do you see on the screen:
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| 08:42 | linuxrc: installing 3c59x driver
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| 08:42 | followed by:
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| 08:42 | modprobe 3c59x options=0x408
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| 08:43 | <pscheie> do you mean on the client during boot?
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| 08:43 | <jammcq> yes
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| 08:43 | <pscheie> yes
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| 08:44 | so I know the NICOPT part is working
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| 08:44 | <jammcq> so it appears that you've got it setup in pxelinux.cfg/default correctly
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| 08:44 | at least whatever you are setting in there is coming through to the modprobe command
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| 08:44 | <pscheie> right. It's just that parameter may be a no no
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| 08:44 | <jammcq> could be
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| 08:44 | <pscheie> right, it's a bit of progress
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| 08:44 | just not success...yet
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| 08:47 | <pscheie> The actual error is 'ERROR! dhcpcd failed!"
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| 08:47 | 'kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!'
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| 08:48 | <pscheie> what does the 'not syncing' refer to?
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| 08:48 | <jammcq> the problem is 'dhcpcd failed', that's what you need to focus on. the panic is cuz it had nothing else to do
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| 08:49 | <pscheie> can I comment stuff out in the default file by using a # ?
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 08:56 | <pscheie> where does the file for the NIC driver live?
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| 08:56 | IOW, modprobe loads it from where?
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| 08:56 | <jammcq> in the initramfs
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| 08:56 | <pscheie> so if I want to build a new driver for the 3c59x, I'll have to build a new initramfs?
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| 08:57 | <jammcq> yep, and a new kernel
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| 08:57 | but why would you want to do that?
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| 08:57 | the 3c59x driver is probably one of the most stable
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| 08:57 | <pscheie> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-318586.html, near the bottom
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> just a sentence or two would suffice, i'm not in the habit of chasing urls
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| 08:58 | <pscheie> sorry
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> no prob
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| 08:59 | <pscheie> a fellow said he solved the WOL problem by editing the 3c59x.c file and recompiling it
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| 08:59 | added 'acpi_set_WOL(dev)' to it
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| 08:59 | <cliebow> Ho Ho
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> doesn't WoL on a 3c59x require a cable going from the nic to the motherboard ?
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| 09:00 | <pscheie> but he also says he does a 'modprobe -r 3c59x' just before 'halt' in his shutdown script which seems rather odd
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| 09:00 | if using cards, yes.
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| 09:00 | but these are built-in nics
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> Just out of curiosity, what's the impetus for having wake on lan on diskless terminals? I mean, it's not like you need to perform MAINTENANCE on them in the evenings, or something.
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| 09:00 | <pscheie> on-board
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> ah
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| 09:01 | <pscheie> school policy is to turn all equipment off at night to save energy
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| 09:01 | having an icon on the teacher's desktop that would run a WOL script would be cool
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| 09:01 | These are Dell laptops
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| 09:02 | they even have a BIOS setting that will automatically turn them on at a specified time either 7 days/week or just M-F
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| 09:02 | but school policy says even that can't be used.
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> How about a block heater timer on the power strip for the machines? Activate at 7:00 AM, turn off at 8:00 PM :)
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> sbalneav: he's not having a problem turning them off. ltspinfod will handle that
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| 09:03 | he wants to also allow remote turn-on
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| 09:03 | <pscheie> I already wrote them a shutdown script using ltspinfo
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| 09:03 | teacher clicks the icon, they all shut off
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| 09:03 | good for the "Wow!" effect ;-)
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> I'm still not getting it.
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| 09:04 | <jammcq> he wants the teachers to also be able to turn them back on in the morning
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| 09:04 | <pscheie> I'd like to make a similar 'one-click and they all turn on' script
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| 09:04 | <jammcq> i'm thinking the kids can just hit the power button
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> That's what I'm thinking.
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> beyond that, and it's just "geek factor" at work here
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| 09:05 | <pscheie> yeah, having the kids use the power button is the current plan
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> So, Teacher turns off boxes, turns on boxes.
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| 09:05 | <pscheie> sure there's some geek factor but it's also part of demonstrating the superiority of LTSP to the conventional Windows/Mac model
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| 09:06 | Lots of people (teachers, school techs) easily slide back into the Win/Mac mindset
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> This is my personal opinion here, but I don't think the superiority of the LTSP model is demonstrtated by saving someone the .03 seconds it takes to push a power button :)
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| 09:07 | <pscheie> anything to make their lives easier is a selling/brownie point
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> But that's me :)
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| 09:07 | <pscheie> You and I understand the technical superiority, but most mortals don't
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Speak for yourself. I'm just as mortal as anyone else :)
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| 09:08 | <envite> I'ts a control feature
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| 09:08 | <pscheie> To most people, it just looks like a computer, and they have NO idea how it works underneath
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| 09:08 | <envite> and teachers in a classroom love control
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| 09:08 | <pscheie> control is right
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> control is there, the teacher can turn the computers off
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> what more do you need?
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| 09:09 | <envite> so if a techer feels that he/she has the control (the control of power on/off the terminals, as an example) he/she is happy
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| 09:09 | <pscheie> that's why I asked Robert Arkiletian to add the 'unlock all screen savers' to teachertool
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> power off is control
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| 09:09 | <pscheie> he's using xscreensaver which requires a PW to be unlocked
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| 09:10 | meaning teacher can lock all screens and get kids' attention, tell them something, then unlock them all and let the kids procede
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| 09:10 | caveat: we're using autologin, so kids don't know the PW
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| 09:10 | so it was a problem initially, until Robert added the unlock all
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| 09:11 | <envite> can't xscreensaver be killed and restarted?
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| 09:11 | <pscheie> now the teacher can temporarily lock all the screens, get the kids' attention, then unlock them all
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| 09:11 | not at the client if you don't know the login PW
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| 09:11 | and they don't since we use autologin
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| 09:12 | <Blinny> jammcq: Those disklessworkstations that you guys sell - Do they use the vesa xserver? -- The reason I ask is I'm worried about the cpu load w/ a bunch of vesa clients doing things like tuxtype or other graphics-intensive things.
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| 09:12 | <pscheie> sbalneav: you are correct that walking around a dozen machines turning them on isn't a lot of work
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> Blinny: they can, but they don't have to. when ever possible, we use the proper driver for the video chipset
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| 09:13 | the newest model, the 1220, currently is using the Vesa driver, cuz the via chipset isn't properly supported by Xorg yet
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| 09:13 | <pscheie> but being able to turn them all on from the teacher's desk would be impressive at least during the demo
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> but the T-150/170 is very well supported by Xorg
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> More to the point, if the policy is to save power, and you've got a class of 30 terminals, but 15 kids, why not have the kids just turn on the 15 they're at, and leave the other 15 powered off?
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| 09:14 | <Blinny> jammcq: Excellent, thanks. I'm looking at the 150s. I spent enough on the server.. Hopefully I don't need much on the terminals.
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| 09:14 | <pscheie> the ratio is the other way around: 27 kids, 9 clients
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| 09:14 | so all the clients are getting used, pretty much all the time
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| 09:17 | <Blinny> brb
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| 09:25 | <Blinny> What causes the grey-screen on thin client bootup with the 'X' mouse and no xdm/gdm showing?
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| 09:26 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 09:26 | <Blinny> heh
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| 09:29 | Ah I see how to get there now. Thanks jammcq
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| 09:37 | Next - My scroll wheel is wonky when I use the nvidia server (using Peter's suggestions at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#nVidia_for_LTSP_4_2_update_2). If I use the vesa server it works OK. I've tried plugging the USB mouse into PS/2 port using a little adaptor.
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| 09:37 | I've added the PROTOCOL lines as suggested in a few places in the wiki
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| 09:39 | The only difference I can see in /tmp/XF86Config.1 is in the Section "ServerLayout" where two inputdevice directives are. One is for Mouse0 "CorePointer", one is for Mouse1 "AlwaysCore". I only have one mouse plugged into this client.
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| 09:44 | Ahhhhh. It's not just the nvidia server. The mouse goes wonky whenever I specify any special X_ configuration on lts.conf for the client.
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| 09:44 | Using the default X config (not specifying any section for the client) works OK. (but then I can't use accelerated hardware)
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| 09:48 | <kaos01> what do you guys recomend, an alternative to pxegrub ?
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| 10:17 | <irule> hi
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| 10:25 | <irule> how do I know the PCs processor model and spped plus ram memory size from shell? thanks ...erp,m server
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> cat /proc/cpuinfo
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| 10:28 | cat /proc/meminfo
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| 10:29 | Or the "free" command will get you ram info as well.
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| 10:29 | irule: That what you want?
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| 10:38 | <cliebow> sbalneav:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:38 | jammcq: thanks for the forward..didnt want to miss any jiuicy morsels
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| 10:40 | Balls!
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| 10:43 | <efra_> Morning everbody
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| 10:44 | <cliebow> efra_:!'
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| 10:45 | <efra_> cliebow: What does that mean? Never seen it
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| 10:45 | <cliebow> not a hell of a lot..i guess howdy would have been better
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| 10:46 | <efra> hehehehe
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| 10:47 | I have to read more about emoticons
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| 10:47 | <cliebow> i never heard of such
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| 11:49 | <vlt> Hello. I'm running LTSP on ubuntu Dapper 6.06 and now have a client that refuses to boot (via PXE). It gets an IP address and reads from pxelinux.cfg/default, then loads the kernel and stops with "SIOCGIFINDEX: error 19 \n ipconfig: no devices to configure \n .: 1: can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf \n Kernel panic ...". Any idea?
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| 11:51 | The NIC is an RTL8111B chip.
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| 11:53 | <cliebow> vlt;cant find the nic then..may have to spcify that..assuming it is supported..
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| 11:54 | gig nic?
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| 11:56 | <vlt> cliebow: Yes. Google says there's a driver on realtek's site. How do I load that driver?
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| 11:56 | <cliebow> that is aproblem to put in the initramfs
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| 11:58 | i see it in 4.2 chrroot
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| 12:00 | <vlt> cliebow: ??? Didn't understand your last post.
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| 12:00 | <cliebow> hmm r100 IS in the chroot..you'll have to perhaps specify the nic..in kernel options..i am fuzzy how to do this
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| 12:00 | is i think in the initramfs
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| 12:00 | is for ppc
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| 12:01 | what distro? ltsp 4.2 or 5?
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| 12:02 | <vlt> cliebow: I think it's 4.x (ubuntu dapper's default).
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| 12:03 | <cliebow> did you install with ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 12:04 | <vlt> Yes. It's called "Version: 0.87" in ubuntu.
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| 12:07 | <cliebow> can you at a command line do locate r1000
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| 12:08 | <vlt> There's an "r1000.ko" in /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/drivers/net/ (the real "/", not initrd).
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| 12:09 | (didn't `locate` but `find` it)
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| 12:10 | <cliebow> vlt: caan you upgrade to edgy?
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| 12:11 | <vlt> cliebow: Mmh, I'm running edgy on private notebook and it seems to run fine, but the LTSP server here ... mmmmhhh ...
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| 12:11 | <cliebow> yeah
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| 12:12 | you "could" change name of /opt/ltsp/i386 to /opt/ltsp/i386-dapper..and point to that in dhcpd.conf
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| 12:13 | see what im thinking//put it in parallel to what you have
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| 12:13 | <vlt> cliebow: Don't see what you're trying to do ...
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| 12:14 | cliebow: What's the use of renaming it?
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| 12:14 | <cliebow> make it so your existing systerm is intact..aand put the newest ltsp in alongside the old for testing
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| 12:14 | * vlt is a bit slow today ... | |
| 12:15 | <cliebow> i have like five ltsp on same server
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| 12:15 | <vlt> cliebow: mmh, and gow to install the 2nd one?
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| 12:15 | how*
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| 12:15 | <cliebow> 4.1ppc 5.0ppc 4.14.2 5.0 of i386
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| 12:16 | ohhh..manually..i can get you the chroot i built for ltsp5..kernel and initramfs
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| 12:16 | i'd really like ogra's opinion..
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| 12:18 | <vlt> cliebow: If the driver is (already) available both on ltsp server's and in client's "/", how to enable it in initrd (if that's the problem here)?
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| 12:21 | <cliebow> i know you can pass the nic as a kernel option..just fuzzy on where to put it
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| 12:22 | * cliebow cliebow hopes someone will juump in | |
| 12:23 | <cliebow> how about option 128 and option 129 in dhcpd.conf
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| 12:27 | <vlt> cliebow: NOW: option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
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| 12:27 | option option-129 "MOPTS=proto=tcp,nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048";
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| 12:29 | <cliebow> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # NOT a mac address
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| 12:29 | option option-129 "ramdisk_size=8192"option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # NOT a mac address
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| 12:29 | option option-129 "NIC=r1000"
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| 12:31 | option option-129 "ramdisk_size=8192"option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # NOT a mac address
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| 12:31 | Balls
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| 12:31 | lemme get this right
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| 12:31 | option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # NOT a mac address
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| 12:31 | option option-129 "NIC=r1000";
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| 12:31 | <vlt> cliebow: Why two entries?
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| 12:31 | cliebow: Aah ok. .. ;)
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| 12:32 | cliebow: Should I add it to the already existing line?
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| 12:33 | <cliebow> with a comma i think yes
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| 12:33 | <vlt> cliebow: I'll try ...
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| 12:33 | <cliebow> ohh no comma in mine
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| 12:33 | <vlt> option option-129 "MOPTS=proto=tcp,nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048";
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| 12:33 | That's what I have now.
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| 12:34 | If I add another comma it will be another MOPTS value, I think ... ?
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| 12:35 | <cliebow> perhapps "NIC=r1000 MOPTS=
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| 12:39 | <vlt> cliebow: No, doesn't work.
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| 12:39 | (Didn't check if the other clients can still boot ...)
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| 12:40 | cliebow: I think I'll try to boot that client later.
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| 12:40 | Thank you.
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| 12:47 | <moquist> ogra: pong?
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| 12:49 | <dan__t> 'morning.
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| 12:49 | I just want to say again, that I love LTSP.
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| 13:30 | <cliebow> dan__t: gertting the hang of it huh?
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| 13:30 | <dan__t> yup.
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| 13:31 | <cliebow> takes a little to wrap your head artound it
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| 13:44 | <dan__t> It does.
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| 14:01 | <pscheie> jammcq: I'm trying a different approach for my WOL problem
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| 14:01 | I got Don Becker's pci-config tool from scyld's website
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| 14:02 | someone had suggested putting this in the shutdown scripts, e.g., rc.shutdown
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> hey, guys. anyone here know a GUI frontend to vncpasswd? (or do I need to dust off my 'expect' skills?)
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| 14:03 | <pscheie> pci-config puts the NIC into a WOL-aware state, then shuts down the NIC
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| 14:03 | <rjune> Gadi !
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> rjune!!!
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| 14:03 | hey, man
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| 14:04 | <pscheie> but on a TC, shuttting down the NIC stops everything
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| 14:04 | <rjune> how are you?
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| 14:04 | <pscheie> I get errors about command 0x5800 not completing, let alone getting to the syshalt command
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> on top of the world. I gained another tax deduction ~2.5 weeks ago
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| 14:05 | <jammcq> pscheie: yeah, the joys of root over NFS :)
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| 14:05 | * Gadi wonders why your BIOS cant handle WOL | |
| 14:05 | <pscheie> any ideas around that one?
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| 14:05 | <jammcq> ummm, nope
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| 14:06 | <pscheie> Gadi: BIOS is set for WOL, but it doesn't respond to the 'magic packet'
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> does it respond in any OS?
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| 14:06 | <pscheie> From my reading, the NIC has to be set for WOL upon shutdown, ensuring it's still powered
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| 14:06 | <cliebow> jammcq: thanks for the redirect..
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> nah
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| 14:06 | thats bs
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| 14:06 | <pscheie> dunno, haven't tried any others
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> are you using etherwake?
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| 14:07 | <pscheie> yep
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> and you got the MAC addy right?
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| 14:07 | <pscheie> One tip-off: the LED on the nic and the switch should still be lit after the client is shutdown
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| 14:08 | but on these Dell Latitudes they're not
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| 14:08 | I've got an ipaq on which WOL works; the LEDs glow even when the box is shutdown
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| 14:08 | Even that's not bulletproof, though
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> ah, then perhaps there is a setting in the BIOS to not cut power to the NIC
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| 14:09 | <pscheie> if i use ltspinfo to shut it down, even the nic is down, no WOL
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| 14:09 | but if I shut it down with the power switch on the front of the box, then wol works
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| 14:09 | nothing in the bios on the Dells aside from Y/N setting for WOL
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| 14:10 | <cliebow> Gadi:how are you on arp resolution?
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| 14:10 | <pscheie> I've read several bits about people having WOL work under Windows but not so under Linux
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> weird
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| 14:11 | <pscheie> Gadi: yes, I had the correct addy. Been at it for a few days now
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> cliebow__: I'll trade you arp resolution for a gui frontend to vncpasswd
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| 14:11 | <cliebow> jeez..id love to ..let me look around
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> pscheie: what does the bios have for the action when hitting the powerbutton?
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| 14:12 | <pscheie> dell or ipaq?
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> dell
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| 14:13 | * Gadi caveats that he hates the dell BIOS with a passion | |
| 14:14 | <pscheie> uh, nothing, just has 'Wakeup on LAN: Enabled/Disabled'
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> there are no other power settings
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| 14:14 | or button settings
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| 14:14 | * Gadi is not surprised - schmeasly as dell | |
| 14:14 | <pscheie> nope
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> if you go to a shell on the thin client, is there a difference in the nick state if you do: "shutdown -h now" vs "shutdown -h -H now" ?
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| 14:17 | s/nick/nic/
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| 14:17 | <pscheie> lemme check...
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| 14:22 | <cliebow> Gadi:havnt got a frontend anywhere..sorry.
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> yeah, seems everyone uses expect for one
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| 14:22 | and writes ugly scripts
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| 14:22 | oh well
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| 14:22 | whats your arp issue?
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| 14:23 | <cliebow> what would prevent a machine from answering an arp request..if mac/ip were in the arp tables?
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| 14:23 | im sure youre all tired of this..but one last time..
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> how do you know it is not answering?
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| 14:24 | usually, if it has the IP in the arp table, it is because it does get a response
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| 14:25 | <cliebow> i have all macs booting to ltsp5 with linux dhcp..using windows dhcp in my real network..the bondi boots like a rap...err violasted ape..but damned if i can get anything else to do so..the dhcp responses are virtually identical but arp faills
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| 14:25 | <pscheie> Gadi: where is shutdown command located?
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> /sbin/shutdown
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| 14:27 | <pscheie> I don't seem to have an /sbin/shutdown (on the client)
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| 14:27 | <cliebow> watching packets..i see the apple trying to sort out the network..apple does a who-has ..no one answers..
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> cliebow__: a. whats a bondi? b. was that a "violated ape"? c. whats telling you that arp fails?
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| 14:27 | <cliebow> but the bondi asks and gets an is-at
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| 14:28 | * pscheie wishes the clients had 'which' or 'locate' | |
| 14:28 | <cliebow> on successful boot apple asks who-has itself..who-has the server..gets an is-at from itself and the server..then tftp starts
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| 14:29 | bondi is a new-world mac..one of the early ones
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| 14:29 | with an ibook..it does who-has...no one answers
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| 14:30 | windows clearly provides a next-server option correctly
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| 14:31 | <pscheie> Gadi: I've got /sbin/haltsys, which is what rc.shutdown calls
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| 14:33 | /sbin/haltsys -h -H just shuts the system down, WOL still not working
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> hmm.. I forgot - no shutdown in the thin client
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| 14:35 | <g333k_work> Hello, I'm planning to have 3 LTSP 4.2 servers, to serve about 100 clients, I'm planning each of them to take 35 clients aprox, I would like if one server goes away another to take its clients meanwhile the server is been fixed, have you ever tried that? any clue?
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> unfortunately, I have to run and pick up the boy from school. I'll try to get on again a bit later for some brainstorming
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| 15:27 | <rene> jammcq: for God help me
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| 15:27 | :'(
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| 15:28 | <jammcq> rene: what's up?
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| 15:29 | <rene> nfs-kernel noting respond n workstation
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| 15:29 | no*
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| 15:29 | in*
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| 15:29 | ltsp-4.2 and ethernet ISA
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| 15:29 | 3c509
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| 15:29 | <jammcq> rene: read this page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
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| 15:31 | <rene> Ok Thx
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| 15:34 | <g333k_work> jammcq, Have you ever setup multiple ltsp servers or a ltsp cluster?
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| 15:35 | <jammcq> g333k_work: nope
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| 15:35 | <g333k_work> jammcq, :(
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| 15:35 | <rene> error jammcq
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> Hey, we can't do EVERYTHING.
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| 15:36 | <rene> MODULES FATAL ERROR
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| 15:36 | NO FOUND
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> What would be left for everyone else? :)
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| 15:36 | <rene> :(
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| 15:36 | <nofxx> I gave up tryin to boot 64 bits clients with i386 ubuntu..... installin' edubuntu 64 now.... would someone sugest ubuntu server instead ? I can do that --mirror thing to avoid downloading a ton of things.... right ? heheh
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| 15:37 | to use the ltsp-server-standalone easy installation, I mean
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| 15:38 | <rene> :'(
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> Why would you want 64 bit clients and a 32 bit server? Seems a little bass-ackwards. Most people usually want the 64 bit server, and older 32 bit clients.
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| 15:38 | <ogra> nofxx, if you do the edubuntu64 install it should all work out of the box
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> And yes, --mirror is your friend.
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| 15:38 | <rene> !paste
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| 15:38 | <ltspbot`> rene: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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| 15:38 | <dan__t> jammcq, those options didn't work for me.
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| 15:38 | <nofxx> sbalneav: heh..yea...my bad... hope now it works.... 64 on both ends
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| 15:38 | <rene> !botpaste
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| 15:38 | <ltspbot`> rene: Error: "botpaste" is not a valid command.
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| 15:38 | <ogra> no need for --mirror :)
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| 15:38 | <rene> !botpast
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| 15:38 | <ltspbot`> rene: Error: "botpast" is not a valid command.
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| 15:39 | <rene> :(
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| 15:39 | <nofxx> ogra: that's sweet... thank you
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| 15:39 | <ogra> since the install is done from CD
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| 15:39 | <rene> !paste
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| 15:39 | <ltspbot`> rene: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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| 15:39 | <rene> !past
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| 15:39 | <ltspbot`> rene: Error: "past" is not a valid command.
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| 15:39 | <dan__t> er, duh. because that client uses etherboot.
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| 15:39 | brb
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| 15:39 | <rene> !pastebot
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| 15:39 | <ltspbot`> rene: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to there. Don't forget to drop down the channel selector, and select #ltsp
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| 15:39 | <rene> :*
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| 15:40 | ahhh hell :(
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> Not sure if our pastebot's alive...
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| 15:40 | <rene> nfs mutharfuckar
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| 15:40 | <nofxx> ogra: it comes with chroot compiled for 64 bits ?
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| 15:40 | <rene> :(
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| 15:40 | :@
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| 15:40 | <ogra> nofxx, yes
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> rene: watch your language please.
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| 15:40 | <rene> Ok sorry
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| 15:40 | <nofxx> ogra: seems strange... the normal is 64 server 32 client.... right? ahh I see.. tnx
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| 15:41 | <rene> sorry everybody
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| 15:41 | <nofxx> cuz its easy to compile 32 on the 64...
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| 15:41 | <ogra> nofxx, and finally after being beaten up for that decision a thousand times you get a really big hug from me for being the first one with 64/64 setup :)
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| 15:41 | <nofxx> ok... i got only 64 clients so far... I should be good
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| 15:42 | <rene> arrgg pastebot no open
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| 15:42 | :(
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| 15:42 | <sbalneav> rene: What are you wanting to paste?
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| 15:42 | <ogra> normal would ne 64/32 indeed, but we build the client environment from the one CD we have
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| 15:42 | and that has only amd64 packages on it and no space for 32 bit ones
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| 15:42 | <rene> sbalneav: no open page web
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| 15:43 | <ogra> so i had to decide if we want to build no client chroot at all or amd64 servers would have 64bit client envs ...
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| 15:43 | <rene> server it's down
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| 15:43 | <nofxx> got it... tnx ogra... let's see what will happen.. xD
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> Yes, as I said earlier, I'm not sure our pastbot is working.
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| 15:43 | How many lines do you need to paste?
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| 15:43 | <nofxx> ogra: hehe good choice...
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| 15:43 | <jammcq> paste bot no workie
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| 15:44 | <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
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| 15:44 | <nofxx> btw, ltsp is fantastic... people don't know what they are missing
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| 15:44 | <ogra> try that
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| 15:44 | nofxx, they keep learning :)
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| 15:44 | sbalneav, did i tell you how much pulse sound rocks ?
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| 15:45 | <dan__t> Ok, well, that works perfectly fine.
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| 15:45 | <jammcq> ogra: you should hear whiprush talk about how much he loves pulse
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| 15:45 | <nofxx> : ) yea... just a matter of time... and watching the neighboor sucess.... great job !
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| 15:45 | <dan__t> Thank you very much, jammcq.
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| 15:45 | <jammcq> btw, whiprush is installing LTSP at Oakland University, he's completely dumping the sunrays :)
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| 15:45 | <ogra> jammcq, its really sexy ... and solves all our problems in ltsp :)
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| 15:45 | <rene> :'(
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| 15:46 | <dan__t> DO you guys have any tips or tricks on how one should go about killing applications on the server when the user logs out, or if the machine is unexpectedly shut down? Things like Nautilus and Gaim do not start up because they leave temp files, or processes already running, or lockfiles.
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| 15:46 | <rene> jammcq:
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| 15:46 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3636/
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| 15:46 | <dan__t> Like a way to cleanly exit all applications when a client becomes disconnected.
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| 15:47 | <jammcq> rene: remove the first ',' in the option-129
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| 15:47 | should be: "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=......."
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| 15:47 | <rene> what
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| 15:47 | ahh
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| 15:47 | <jammcq> NIC and MOPTS are separate options
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| 15:47 | <rene> :8
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| 15:47 | :*
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| 15:47 | <sbalneav> Typically, the only programs that I find leave messes behind are firefox and openoffice.
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| 15:47 | <rene> jammcq: =*
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| 15:48 | <jammcq> rene: so, it was trying to load a kernel module called: '3c509,MOPTS=.....'
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| 15:48 | and of course, there is no such module
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| 15:48 | <rene> Ok lord jedi
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| 15:48 | :D
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> I have a little program I stick in /etc/X11/Xsession.d that does a pkill soffice ; pkill firefox, and cleans up the lock files. That way, when they log in again, it's guarenteed to be clean.
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| 15:49 | <rene> jammcq: us
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| 15:49 | option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048";
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| 15:49 | <jammcq> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3637/
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| 15:50 | <rene> :D
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| 15:50 | jammcq: :*
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| 15:50 | <jammcq> ogra: that's a nice pastebot
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| 15:50 | <ogra> :)
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| 15:50 | <jammcq> somebody should update the bot to tell it about it
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| 15:50 | oooh, better yet
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> We could ressurect the pastebot tonight...
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> ill update the re-direct, so that pastebot.ltsp.org automatically goes there
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| 15:51 | <ogra> heh :)
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> sbalneav: that's what I was thinking, but the Ubuntu pastebot is pretty nice
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| 15:51 | <ogra> it lacks the nice pinging feautre ... in the channel though
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> I'll go either way. The one thing I liked about ours was that it notified in the channel.
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| 15:52 | <rene> jammcq: fullwork >D
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| 15:52 | <ogra> thats something i really like about pastebot
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| 15:52 | <jammcq> yeah, that's true
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| 15:52 | rene: cool !!!
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| 15:52 | <rene> :)
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> I just downloaded the source.
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| 15:52 | <jammcq> sbalneav: from?
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| 15:52 | <ogra> i think Seveas wrote it
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| 15:52 | must be in bzr somewhere on launchpad
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| 15:52 | <jammcq> we could maybe get the same one that Mistik1 had
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| 15:52 | <rene> jammcq: give for your MAC PRO
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| 15:52 | :)
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| 15:53 | <sbalneav> pastebot.org's where it's from, I followed the SF link from there
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| 15:54 | That's the one I got.
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| 15:56 | <dan__t> sbalneav, would you mind telling me the name of this application, or did you create it?
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| 15:56 | Sounds like what I'm looking for.
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| 15:58 | <rene> jammcq:
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| 15:59 | i have muck ethernet RTL8139D/via-rhine 6105
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| 15:59 | but...i have too problem in startup workstation
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| 16:00 | look is like this
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| 16:00 | ...............................
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| 16:00 | ..............................................................done
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| 16:00 | via-rhine disable
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| 16:00 | :(
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| 16:00 | opss
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| 16:01 | only rhine disable
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| 16:01 | error kernel modules
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| 16:02 | someone can help me
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| 16:02 | ??
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| 16:06 | <dan__t> what's the exact error please
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| 16:08 | <nofxx> ogra: from the edubuntu install screen: "building chroot LTSP..." ... : )))
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| 16:08 | very sweet
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| 16:09 | <ogra> if you switch to console 4 you can watch it working :)
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| 16:09 | <nofxx> ah..its gonne now.. : )
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| 16:10 | <rene> dan__t: waorstatio no startup
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| 16:10 | stop in .........................done rhine disable
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| 16:11 | <dan__t> *exact* error.
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| 16:16 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, can you tell me more about the program you put in /etc/X11/Xsession.d to delete dead processes?
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| 16:18 | <dan__t> Yes, I'm very interested, as wel.
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| 16:20 | <g333k_work> dan__t, what I was doing is use the /etc/gdm/PreSession and /etc/gdm/PostSession files
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| 16:21 | <dan__t> Oh, that might work.
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| 16:21 | <g333k_work> dan__t, in the PreSession I add a killall firefox-bin i.e. to kill firefox
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| 16:21 | dan__t, can you try and tell me the results?
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| 16:21 | <dan__t> Do you know what I'm talking about though? Specifically, Nautilus really blows up.
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| 16:22 | <g333k_work> dan__t, btw I just have that kind of problems with firefox
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| 16:22 | <dan__t> When a client comes back from an unclean restart, nautilus whines.
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| 16:22 | ahh ok.
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| 16:22 | Well, couldn't hurt for all users' pricesses.
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| 16:22 | <g333k_work> dan__t, Yep I know, if I suddenly reboot a client, then when load it says that firefox is already running and I have to kill the old process before running again
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| 16:23 | <dan__t> yeah
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| 16:23 | Alright, I'll play around with that.
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| 16:23 | <irule> hi
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| 16:23 | <g333k_work> dan__t, ok I'll be here
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| 16:23 | <dan__t> brb.
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| 16:23 | <g333k_work> ok
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| 16:23 | dan__t, just add this line to the /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default file
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| 16:25 | <cliebow> dan-_t:i run icewm and nautilus..and use logoutcmd with pkill 4USER
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| 16:30 | <dan__t> Where is the reference to logoutcmd?
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| 16:32 | <cliebow> it is just a piece of icewm.
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| 16:33 | /usr/localshare/icewm/preferences?
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| 16:34 | oopsie in ubuntu /etc/X11/icewm
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| 16:34 | in ubuntu...Logout Command=
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| 16:36 | <nofxx> hmm...houston we got a problem.... hehe... client says PXE-T01: File not found...
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| 16:36 | but dhcpd.conf is ok.... on edubuntu 64...
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| 16:36 | <ogra> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.comf ?
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| 16:36 | <nofxx> filename "/ltsp/i386.... hmm ops.... i386?
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| 16:36 | <ogra> *conf
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| 16:36 | <nofxx> yes
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| 16:37 | <ogra> oh, right ... change that to amd64 ...
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| 16:37 | thats a bug
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| 16:37 | * ogra makes a note | |
| 16:37 | <nofxx> got it.. change for amd64
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| 16:37 | <g333k_work> dan__t, sbalneav was right I think... I created a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40custom_kill-dead-processes containing the line: pkill firefox &
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| 16:37 | <ogra> and restart the dhcpd server
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| 16:37 | <g333k_work> and its working here so far
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| 16:38 | <ogra> g333k_work, ouch
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| 16:38 | make that pkill $USER firefox
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| 16:38 | <dan__t> Do you throw it $USER?
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| 16:38 | ah yeah.
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| 16:38 | ok
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| 16:38 | <ogra> else you kill all firefoxes you have access to
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| 16:38 | <dan__t> yu
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| 16:38 | er, yuh
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| 16:39 | <g333k_work> ogra, this scripts doesnt run when the users log in?
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| 16:39 | <ogra> sure
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| 16:39 | but if you log in twice ?
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| 16:39 | users do such stuff
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| 16:39 | <g333k_work> ogra, so i wouldnt kill all firefox processes that this $user owns?
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| 16:40 | <dan__t> Sounds fair to me heh.
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| 16:40 | <g333k_work> ogra, almost impossible here... my users log in automatically
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| 16:40 | <nofxx> howwooooo howwoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry,... to happiness... 3 days on it..... 64/64 bootin screen on the client!!!!!!!
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| 16:40 | <ogra> nofxx, congrats :)
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| 16:40 | <nofxx> tnx ogra, cliebow!!!!
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| 16:41 | <ogra> g333k_work, weel, go for it then
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| 16:41 | *well
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| 16:41 | <g333k_work> ogra, so whats your solution for me then? I have problems with firefox already running when my clients suddenly reboot
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| 16:41 | <ogra> the actual fix should be firefox gracefully dying ...
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| 16:41 | if its display goes away
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| 16:42 | <g333k_work> ogra, it happens when you keep the client off for a couple of minutes
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| 16:42 | <ogra> so your workaround is the best you have atm ... but try to bug upstream to fix the app
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| 16:43 | linux' one and only problem is that people are satisfied with workarounds ... else we'd have bypassed windows and MACOS already
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| 16:43 | <g333k_work> ogra, I was using the PreSession and PosSession files of gdm... until I read this option
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| 16:44 | <ogra> Xsession.d is the better place ...
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| 16:44 | PreSession and PosSession wil likely be overwritten on upgrades (depending on your distro i guess)
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| 16:45 | so adding your own script to Xsession.d is the safe way
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| 16:46 | <g333k_work> ogra, ok...
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| 16:47 | As I said I'm using automatically log-in to my users... but I cannot make the wait for less of 5 seconds before log-in, is it a limit of gdm?
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| 16:48 | <nofxx> oh my... oh my,... I've opened the champagne too soon...... same kernel panic...... but now I have some error lines!! ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device" "ipconfig: no devices to configure" "/init: .: 1: Can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf"... Kernel panic...
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| 16:48 | <ogra> hmm
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| 16:48 | <nofxx> please someone tell me the address of the kernel.. I'll gonna show him what is real panic!
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| 16:48 | <ogra> seems the module for your network card is missing
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| 16:48 | do you know what kind of card that is ?
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| 16:48 | <nofxx> its a broadcom 10/100 phy... onboard ecs mobo...nividia chipset....
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| 16:49 | <ogra> hmm, broadcom ...
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| 16:49 | did you ever see it booting ?
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| 16:49 | with any linux
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| 16:49 | <nofxx> nope... they are new...
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| 16:49 | fat clients without hd
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| 16:49 | <ogra> try to find out if the BICs are linux supported at all
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| 16:50 | *NICs
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| 16:50 | <ogra> nvidia and broadcom both sound scary ...
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| 16:50 | <nofxx> my old nvidia2 / athlon xp worked fine.. xD
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| 16:51 | how can I check that ....??
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| 16:53 | <ogra> google for the model and brandname of the card
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| 16:53 | and find out if there is a kernel module and which one that is
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| 17:05 | <g333k_work> Hi, is there a way to reboot a terminal when its server goes away?
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| 17:06 | <ogra> you could write a script
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| 17:06 | that runs on the client and pings constantly
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| 17:06 | if five pings dont get through you shut down
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| 17:09 | <g333k_work> Hi, is there a way to reboot a terminal when its server goes away?
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| 17:09 | I think ogra missunderstood me
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| 17:10 | <npnutn> g333k_work: when you say "goes away" what do you mean? Halts?
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| 17:11 | <g333k_work> npnutn, yep... halts.. goes down
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| 17:12 | <npnutn> Hmm. Like an admin shuts it down, or it goes down unplanned?
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| 17:12 | <g333k_work> npnutn, goes down for any reason... lets say.... out of RAM
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| 17:14 | <npnutn> I would have to agree with ogra (before he left). If there was a script on the terminal that pinged every few seconds (or even checked for X traffic), it could execute a shutdown -r.
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| 17:14 | Hopefully, servers going down or running out of RAM is a rare occurance!
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| 17:16 | <g333k_work> npnutn, when the server is halted... it still reply to pings... well the layer 1 ping... maybe I should try with an application layer ping
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| 17:21 | <Shingoshi> Am I correct that LTSP cannot operate without BIND?
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| 17:24 | Am I correct that LTSP cannot operate without BIND? I am asking for a very specific reason.
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| 17:29 | <envite> Shingoshi: you do not need BIND at all
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| 17:30 | <ogra> you need DHCP, TFTP, NFS ...
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| 17:30 | thats it
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| 17:36 | <g333k_work> Hi, whats wrong with my lts.conf file? when booting it tells me that there is a parse error in line 31, http://pastebin.ca/334891
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| 17:40 | <Shingoshi> ogra: Which of them is most critical to your operation?
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| 17:40 | <ogra> all
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| 17:40 | they are what ltsp essentially is
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| 17:41 | <npnutn> g333k_work: nothing leaps out at me, especially near line 31.
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| 17:41 | <Shingoshi> ogra: How much if any codevelopment is done between these projects?
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| 17:41 | <ogra> to netboot you need a dhcp server that responds to your PXE/etherboot/bootp/... requests
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| 17:41 | it then points you t a tftp server that serves you th ebootkernel
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| 17:42 | <npnutn> Shingoshi, ogra: I saw a guy who used a Samba share instead of NFS. URL fails me, though.
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| 17:42 | <ogra> the bootkernel is configured to mount a mini linux readonly via NFS as the main filesystem
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| 17:43 | well, any network filesystem will do indeed
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| 17:43 | <Shingoshi> What advantages can you see in Samba over NFS?
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| 17:43 | <ogra> but you need one
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| 17:43 | none
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| 17:43 | <npnutn> Mixed environment.
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| 17:43 | <ogra> else we would take samba
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| 17:43 | AFS is very intersting
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| 17:43 | but you need at least three servers for it
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| 17:44 | <npnutn> Hmm. I'm not familiar with AFS. What are its advantages?
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| 17:44 | <ogra> its failsafe
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| 17:44 | <Shingoshi> What is required to configure an openmosix kernel for ebootkerenl?
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| 17:44 | <ogra> no idea, there is no proper iplementation for openmosix in 2.6 yet ...
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| 17:45 | <npnutn> You guys couldn't see it, but Shingoshi's last question just flew over my head =-O
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| 17:45 | <ogra> but you likely need to apply the patches etc ... its totally independent from the client bootkernel though
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| 17:46 | its something you do to the server kernel ... to share the load amongst different servers
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| 17:46 | <npnutn> OK. Duh. I remember now...
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| 17:46 | <Shingoshi> I want each node to run the openmosix kernel. So the terminal server would need to distribute these. Still over your head?
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| 17:47 | <npnutn> ... I'm still in "thin client = weak client" mode. It sounds like it would go well with ogra's "fat-client" project.
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| 17:47 | <Shingoshi> What is fat-client?
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| 17:47 | <ogra> Shingoshi, well, get such a kernel image then ... add the bits you need for configuration to the client chroot and you should be set
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| 17:48 | <Shingoshi> Where do I find fat-client?
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| 17:48 | <npnutn> Fat-client = workstation minus HD.
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| 17:48 | <ogra> npnutn, actually a normal ltsp5 setup suffices for Shingoshi's setup ...
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| 17:49 | but there are no openmosix kernel packages neither for ubuntu nor debian ...
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| 17:49 | <npnutn> All processes run locally, storage is via remote share (NFS, Samba, etc.)
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| 17:49 | <ogra> so it will get a bit fiddly with a lot of manual work
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| 17:49 | <Shingoshi> There is for Gentoo.
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| 17:49 | <npnutn> Naturally, for Gentoo ;-)
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| 17:50 | <ogra> Shingoshi, gentoo has no ltsp5 implementaion yet, that means you need to grab the ltsp 4.2 LBE and build *everything* yourself
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| 17:50 | <Shingoshi> If everything is "naturally Gentoo", why aren't we all "naturally Gentoo?
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| 17:50 | <knight> hi all
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| 17:50 | I am using ubuntu for an ltsp setup
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| 17:50 | <ogra> Shingoshi, i'm not naturally gentoo ...
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| 17:51 | i prefer userfriendlyness :)
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| 17:51 | <npnutn> Shingoshi: some of us like to use our processors for more than compiling packages [ducks]
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| 17:51 | <knight> I am having issues withthe thin client not having access to the nfs root dir
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| 17:51 | <ogra> knight, which version
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| 17:51 | (of ubuntu)
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| 17:51 | <knight> dapper
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| 17:51 | <Shingoshi> What would it take to create an LTSP specific distribution?
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| 17:51 | <knight> and nfs is already running as a service
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| 17:52 | <ogra> your /etc7ltsp/dhcpd.conf file is ok ?
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| 17:52 | <knight> yes
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| 17:52 | <npnutn> Shingoshi: there is one built on Red Hat, iirc.
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| 17:52 | <knight> you want an example of it
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| 17:52 | <Shingoshi> A distribution built around LTSP, rather than LTSP built around a distribution?
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| 17:52 | <ogra> Shingoshi, take an ubuntu CD and rip off what you dont like :)
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| 17:53 | ltsp5 is completely developed inside ubuntu and debian
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| 17:53 | so you have the bits included
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| 17:53 | <knight> oh ok
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| 17:53 | <Shingoshi> Great.
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| 17:53 | <knight> so whats new in ltsp 5
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| 17:53 | <ogra> everything
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| 17:53 | the whole concept is different
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| 17:54 | <knight> ok
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| 17:54 | like what
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| 17:54 | name one
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| 17:54 | <Shingoshi> Is there any one version of Ubuntu which is better for this?
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| 17:54 | <ogra> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 17:55 | Shingoshi, from edgy 6.10 on ...
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| 17:55 | <Shingoshi> ok
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| 17:55 | <ogra> if you want fully integrated ltsp out of the box take edubuntu
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| 17:55 | <knight> question
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| 17:55 | <ogra> but thats a matter of taste indeed
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| 17:55 | <knight> have you gguys fixd the issue of xubuntu
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| 17:55 | <npnutn> Shingoshi: I'm not having great luck with Edgy 6.10 and sound.
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| 17:56 | <knight> when the thinclients are alowwed to shutdown the server
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| 17:56 | <ogra> knight, ask the xubuntu guys ... i'm not ivolved in xfce
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| 17:56 | <knight> no ltsp in xubuntu
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| 17:56 | has an issue
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| 17:56 | <ogra> its not an ltsp issue
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| 17:56 | <Shingoshi> I read somewhere that Debian/Ubuntu share the same or similar files system as Gentoo for 64bit. Is that true? /lib32 /usr/lib32
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| 17:56 | <knight> where the thin clients are able to shutdown the server
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| 17:56 | <ogra> knight, yes, thats an xfce bug
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| 17:57 | <knight> oh ok
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| 17:57 | thank see ya later
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| 17:57 | <Shingoshi> I am running x86_64. How are you guys doing with that?
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| 17:57 | <npnutn> shouldn't that just be a root_squash thing?
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| 17:57 | <ogra> Shingoshi, very fine ...
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| 17:57 | <npnutn> Shingoshi: Flash 9 doesn't support 64 bit. Do you need it?
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| 17:57 | <ogra> even though its useless unless you run processes that really use more than 4GB
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| 17:57 | <Shingoshi> How about my previous question?
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| 17:58 | Not really
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| 17:58 | I read somewhere that Debian/Ubuntu share the same or similar files system as Gentoo for 64bit. Is that true? /lib32 /usr/lib32
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| 17:58 | <ogra> what do you mean with filesytem ?
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| 17:58 | <Shingoshi> yes
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| 17:58 | typo
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| 17:59 | <npnutn> ????
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| 17:59 | Filesystem brings Ext3, XFS, ReiserFS, etc. to mind
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| 17:59 | I'm sure all are supported by all.
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| 18:00 | <Shingoshi> I want to have a filesystem which is compatable between Gentoo and Ububntu. I mean FHS
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| 18:00 | <ogra> why would you want that ? yu cant chare binaries anyway
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| 18:00 | *share
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| 18:00 | <Shingoshi> I mean the directory structure.
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| 18:01 | <ogra> well still ...
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| 18:01 | why
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| 18:01 | ubuntu wont install if you dont format the partition ...
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| 18:02 | and even if you would be able to install over ... it would just leave you with a mess
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| 18:02 | <Shingoshi> I think I would rather Gentoo. I have tried it recently, and I really like building things from scratch.
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| 18:02 | <ogra> worse than windows 95
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| 18:02 | <npnutn> g'night all
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| 18:02 | <ogra> so why would you want to share libs then ?
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| 18:03 | <Shingoshi> That's why I only want the LTSP portion.
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| 18:03 | If I could get the LTSP5 source, I could build it myself.
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| 18:04 | <chupacabra> source?
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| 18:04 | <ogra> Shingoshi, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/ltsp-mainline
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| 18:04 | <Shingoshi> If there was a package which contained everything required to install LTSP5 on any distribution, that's what I want.
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| 18:04 | <ogra> thats the source
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| 18:05 | thats not how ltsp5 works
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| 18:05 | <Shingoshi> I am going to get it now. bbl
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| 18:06 | <chupacabra> someone needs to RTFM
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| 18:06 | <ogra> thats why i pasted the wiki url :)
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| 18:07 | <chupacabra> good job
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| 18:07 | <ogra> well, it wants to be read first ... else the job was missed :)
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| 18:07 | <Shingoshi> ok. I checked it out. Do I use bazaar to download all of this?
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| 18:07 | <ogra> yep
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| 18:07 | <Shingoshi> me^
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| 18:07 | <ogra> just bzr get <url>....
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| 18:07 | <Shingoshi> ok
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| 18:08 | <chupacabra> now i need to RTFM. what is bazaar?
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| 18:08 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins might also be intresting
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| 18:08 | chupacabra, http://bazaar-vcs.org/
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| 18:09 | <cliebow> ogra: how much is there in server side changes beyond setting up dhcp tftp nfs ..any bits there that make ldm talk to server?
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| 18:09 | <chupacabra> oic
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| 18:09 | <ogra> yes, since edgy we have ldminfod
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| 18:10 | but if you dont have it you simply miss session and language selection in ldm ...
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| 18:10 | <cliebow> so there is a server side daemon listening
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| 18:10 | oh i see..but no ssh tunnel piece on the server side..
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| 18:10 | <ogra> well, its doing an ls of the available locales and returns it on an inetd request
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| 18:10 | totally trivial
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| 18:10 | 20 lines of code or so
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| 18:11 | and ldm is written to just ignore it if its not there
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| 18:11 | <Shingoshi> Think I did something wrong. I did "bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ltsp-mainline"
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| 18:11 | <ogra> Shingoshi, thats fine ...
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| 18:11 | it should download the branch then
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| 18:12 | <Shingoshi> I got plent of errors. Can I pastebin it to you?
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| 18:12 | <ogra> cliebow, additionally we have nbdswapd in edgy ....
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| 18:12 | <Shingoshi> ok
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| 18:12 | <ogra> it creates swapfiles on the fly and cleans up if a connection goes away
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| 18:12 | <cliebow> ok..i need to read the init scripts
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| 18:12 | <chupacabra> bash: bzr: command not found
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| 18:12 | hehe
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| 18:12 | <ogra> apt-get install bzr ;)
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| 18:13 | Shingoshi, sure
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| 18:13 | <cliebow> hmm cant think..reggae music stopped
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| 18:13 | <chupacabra> i havn't put apt on this centos box
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| 18:14 | <ogra> well, then yum something bzr :)
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| 18:14 | <chupacabra> hehehe
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| 18:14 | <Shingoshi> ogra: http://phpfi.com/199355
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| 18:14 | <chupacabra> i bet the ubuntu ltsp server has it.
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| 18:15 | <ogra> Shingoshi, you should do what it suggests :)
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| 18:15 | also ask in #bzr
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| 18:16 | they will be intrested in that error
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| 18:16 | <Shingoshi> What did I miss?
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| 18:16 | <ogra> read the output ....
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| 18:16 | at the bottom it says:
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| 18:16 | ** please send this report to bazaar@lists.ubuntu.com
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| 18:16 | Press any key to continue...
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| 18:16 | <Shingoshi> ok
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| 18:17 | <ogra> looks like a roblem with your pyexpat module
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| 18:20 | <Shingoshi> Is pyexpat part of python, or do I have to install it separately?
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| 18:20 | <ogra> in ubuntu its in the python-xml package
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| 18:20 | but i'd really /join #bzr first and show them the paste
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| 18:21 | <Shingoshi> ok. I better check the Slackware packages. Yes I am running Slamd64.
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| 18:21 | ok. I'll do that now!
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| 18:22 | <cliebow> nbdswap is only if you call for it with "challenged" clients?
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| 18:23 | <ogra> well, it creates the swapfiles on the fly ... apart from that its only an inetd wrapper around the normal nbd-server
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| 18:23 | <cliebow> i guess im asking .if you took chroot and kernels and popped em on a dapper machine what would be missing..
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| 18:23 | <ogra> ltspfs
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| 18:24 | the nbdsapd and ldminfod
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| 18:24 | <cliebow> ahh..ok..
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| 18:24 | <ogra> and their entries in inetd.conf
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| 18:24 | <cliebow> yep
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| 18:24 | <ogra> for ltspfs its important to use the edgy source ...
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| 18:27 | <chupacabra> slackware?
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| 18:28 | <cliebow> ok
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| 18:28 | <chupacabra> I love volkerding and all but not for ltsp.
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| 18:29 | <cliebow> havnt had a chance to try localdevs at all..the pieces provided vy i386 muekow would integrate with the ppc chroot?
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| 18:29 | <ogra> yep
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| 18:29 | all platform independent python :)
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| 18:30 | <cliebow> i just see tons of ppc clients becoming available...we bought our ibooks at 40 bucks a poiece..tidy..neat installation
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| 18:30 | <ogra> the toilet seat or the white one ?
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| 18:31 | <cliebow> i gotta push to put our dhcp in linux...windows dhcp so far hasnt cut it for anything but the old puke colored bondis'
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| 18:31 | toilet seat...chiclets i call em
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| 18:31 | <ogra> heh
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| 18:32 | <cliebow> since even after 5 years i have no budget..and do half the computer services in the building
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| 18:33 | but there is no tidy dhcp gui in linux the other guys can use to admin it
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| 18:33 | <ogra> just present them the cost difference between maintaining a linux vs win dhcp
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| 18:33 | hmm
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| 18:33 | <cliebow> ive robbed the dhcp interface from smoothwall and trying to modify it..it is perl..so i know enough to e dangerous
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| 18:34 | <ogra> there are some tools ... its ages iago i did dig that stuff but did you look at gnomefiles.org ?
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| 18:34 | <cliebow> i will
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| 18:35 | Gadi's work with ebmin is a possibility too
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| 18:35 | webmin
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| 18:35 | <ogra> doe it have an upstream again ?
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| 18:35 | <cliebow> i dont know..there is always Gadi 8~)
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| 18:36 | <ogra> heh
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| 18:37 | <cliebow> loking forward to trying cbx33's interface..it looks awesome..makes the windows admin jealous
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| 18:38 | <ogra> yeah, it starts coming along
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| 18:39 | i will integrate the backend stuff inot python-ltsp later
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| 18:39 | *into
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| 18:39 | so you can just import the ltsp module and get a list of al connected users with a simple function call
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| 18:40 | that will make writing any kind of ltsp integrated app a breeze
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| 18:50 | <cliebow> awesome
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| 18:51 | <tessier_> WOW
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| 18:51 | An LTSP channel!
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| 18:51 | <cliebow> Dude!!
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| 18:52 | best in thee World..as impudee sats
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| 18:53 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I got it fixed. Thank you! I have the mainline now. Going to work on it now!
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| 18:53 | <tessier_> We probably have around 30 LTSP workstations in the company. All purchased from disklessworkstations.com
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| 18:53 | <ogra> cool
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| 18:55 | <cliebow> tessier-: be sure jammcq knows that when you have questions
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| 18:55 | wish they'd let me but 50 or so
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| 18:58 | <g333k_work> Oh come on... Can you help me to be able to log by ssh to my clients?
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| 18:59 | <g333k_work> I have tried following the wiki guide, but I had no good results
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| 19:02 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I am so absent-minded I didn't realize you were on both lines. That's FUNNY!!
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| 19:02 | <ogra> well, i didnt say anything in #bzr before :)
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| 19:02 | <Shingoshi> I will definitely be in touch!
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| 19:03 | <cliebow> g333k-work::this in ubuntu ltsp5?
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| 19:03 | <Shingoshi> Considering that I have six tabs open here, it's easy to get lost!
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| 19:03 | ogra: ^
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| 19:04 | <ogra> g333k_work, in ltsp5 it would be: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install openss-server
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| 19:04 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 adduser $USER
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| 19:05 | and then copy over the key from /home/$USER to /opt/ltsp/i386/home/$USER
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| 19:05 | <cliebow> .ssh?
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| 19:05 | <ogra> yeah
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| 19:06 | the id_rsa.pub file
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| 19:06 | <ogra> and add it to .ssh/authorized_keys
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| 19:06 | thats it
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| 19:28 | <irule> rpl boot rom, this is what the BIOS settings at an american megatrends shows me when selecting to boot from network, is this supported? thanks
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| 19:34 | <g333k_work> ogra, thanks
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| 19:34 | go to sleep byee
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| 20:18 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 20:23 | <nofxx> hello again... sorry ogra.. i've got to leave quick... gonna find info about that model on linux now... tnx for the advice
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| 20:26 | <cliebow> ho!!
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| 20:33 | <nofxx> hey cliebow ! I've installed edubuntu 64 now.... got the same kernel panic.. but more output... looks like the whole problem is Broadcom AC131 10/100 Lan Phy
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| 20:36 | <cliebow> gd Broadcom
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| 20:36 | so the kernel loads..and initramfs..but dies initializing the card..
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| 20:40 | <nofxx> yes... "/init: .: 1: Ca't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf"
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| 20:40 | kernel panic
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| 20:41 | before /init:
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| 20:41 | ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device ipconfig: no devices to configure
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| 20:42 | <cliebow> the card isnt recognized in the initrd/initramfs
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| 20:44 | <nofxx> the only thing I could find is a review on ebay.. damn... "Cons: Broadcom AC 131 NIC not compatible with any modern Linux distro (Fedora, Ubuntu, etc). Took me forever to figure this out as it was incorrectly recognized as a SiS 190 Gigabit adapter and driver incompatibility kept it from working. Hopefully that'll be fixed soon."
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| 20:47 | <cliebow> Balls!
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| 20:47 | room for another card in the box?
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| 20:48 | <nofxx> cliebow: there is... pci slots.. ahh.. I think its better to say to the guy return this hardware and buy linux friendly ones....
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| 20:48 | can I search for this card drivers on another kernels ? new ones
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| 20:49 | <cliebow> rtl8139 cards are like 5 bucks a piece..disable the onboard..for now
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| 20:49 | <nofxx> i'm on 2.16.17-10
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| 20:50 | rtl8139... saved that...
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| 20:50 | <cliebow> etherboot..if you like..burn some proms
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| 20:50 | <nofxx> hm..another option... floppies..right?
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| 20:51 | <cliebow> amer.com b uilds nice ones..or diskless workstations has cards all built with proms on em
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| 20:51 | <nofxx> if kernel.org had a option like "search for hw compatibility..."
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| 20:51 | the broadcom site says they support the linux community and bla bla...there are drivers...but...
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| 20:51 | <cliebow> yeah..
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| 20:52 | broadcom has been difficult
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| 20:53 | gotta pack it in..
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| 20:53 | wed night reggae is done..
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| 20:54 | <nofxx> xD
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| 20:55 | reggae rocks! xD
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| 21:18 | <nofxx> hey.. I found a way to install broadcom on linux.... so.. I did it in the chroot folder.. ... what command I need to rebuild my chroot image?? I've added "alias eth0 tg3" on /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
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| 21:32 | <nofxx> hehe..for a second I tought it'll be that easy....
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