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Channel log from 1 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<pere>
ogra: hi. is the ubuntu ltsp udeb package (ltsp-build-client) setting the default X keyboard layout based on the debian-installer keyboard setting?
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<ogra>
pere, no, we set that in the locales plugin from the Ubuntu dir
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it shouldnt affect debian
05:31
unless your lsb-release output says something about ubuntu
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<pere>
ogra: ok. I got a patch to get the udeb to pass on the d-i value to xserver-xorg, which I suspect is a better way to do it, making ltsp work the same way as the normal installation.
05:41
<ogra>
well ...
05:41
it wont work on plain ltsp-build-client runs then
05:42
thats not good ...
05:42
cant you just use a plugin like we do in ubuntu or even add it to the locales plugin you already got ?
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(in ubuntu i just need to copy the console-setup config from the server to the client and run locale-gen $LANG once ... no need for debconf here
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)
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<pere>
ogra: could be a solution, yes
05:49
but I want to reuse the logic in the xserver-xorg postinst, to avoid having to duplicate the mapping from console keyboard name to X keyboard setting.
05:49
<ogra>
well, console-setup does that for me here ... i assume debian will switch to the new one as well in sid
05:50
<pere>
hm, I guess I need to check out console-setup :)
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<ogra>
at least i assume its doing that, i dont need to set any debconf values as soon as /etc/default/console-setup has values for XKBLAYOUT, ...MODEL, ...VARIANT and ...OPTIONS
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which is set on the server by d-i
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<ogra>
(or by dpkg-reconfigure :) )
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<milosz>
'morning
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<cliebow_>
milosz, Good morning
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<ogra>
jammcq, !
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<cyberorg>
hi ogra
09:01
<milosz>
ogra: i started on the spec... but right now it's a brain dump
09:02
i need to clean it up include more details
09:02
<ogra>
milosz, its fine for a start ... it outlines the implementation
09:02
you should probably add something about key handling ...
09:03
<jammcq>
ogra: hey, do you know what timezone Seville is in?
09:03
<ogra>
that seems not covered anywhere (ltsp-update-sshkeys needs to add the other servers to known_hosts)
09:03
jammcq, CEST ?
09:03
not sure though ... might be 1h ahead
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<milosz>
jammcq: google?
09:04
<jammcq>
milosz: #ltsp is BETTER than goodle :)
09:04
err, google
09:04
<milosz>
but, it must be true cause you found it on google
09:04
:)
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<jammcq>
ogra: google tells me CEST is the zone, is that GMT+1 ?
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<ogra>
+2 atm (DST)
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<jammcq>
so, detroit is -4
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<pscheie>
morning all
09:36
<jammcq>
http://news.com.com/Dell+picks+Ubuntu+for+Linux+PCs/2100-7344_3-6180419.html
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<ogra>
jammcq, isle of man knows who really owns ubuntu :) http://www.manxradio.com/readItemBus.aspx?ID=12300&cate=Business
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<milosz>
eek, no python support for posix message queues, at least no modules that i can find
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wait some one wrote a pyipc module
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but it's not in ubuntu right now
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<milosz>
never the less, message queues would be the best way to pass any info from ldm to the greeter... whether is the server availble, error messages, wrong password
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so it can provide av feedback
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<jammcq>
is the LDM and Greeter running on the same machine?
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<milosz>
yeah
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<jammcq>
how about dbus ?
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<ogra>
eek
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<milosz>
true...
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the new fangled stuff
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<ogra>
surely not on a thin client that breaks half the world
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<jammcq>
oh?
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<milosz>
how so?
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<jammcq>
no dbus on thin client?
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<ogra>
dbus is really no option for the client side ... lets keep that for the session ;)
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<milosz>
well can you give me a concrete reason why before I run out
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<ogra>
jammcq, i'm saying that since pre edgy
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<ogra>
milosz, it pulls a ton of dependencies in, eats memory etc ... a plain socket in /var/run would suit better for IPC here
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<milosz>
well with dbus you could have other listerns that would be commanded to do... stuff
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okay
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i'm fine with message queues since they would be ideal... but you got to give into this newfanged dbus, etc peer preasure every once in a while
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<ogra>
dbus is a way to fat overhead for thin clients imho
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<milosz>
i fogot about these 48meg ram pentium buggers
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<ogra>
if we ever get something that talks to a dbus on a server etc, i'd start looking at olpc or other embedded solutions for a replacement ...
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i.e. something that speaks the spcific parts of the dbus protocol but nothing more ... trimmed for slimness
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<milosz>
well i think some one has a fully managed C# implementation, and some one else has is working on a pure python implementation from what i remeber from the summit last year
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cause i guess people got sick of the C implementation and binding it
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i'm out
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<ogra>
well
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stacking other lanuage bindings on top wont really make it smaller :P
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<ogra>
wheee ... we're on bbc :) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm
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<jsgotangco>
dude that's ubuntu not ltsp
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heh
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<ogra>
well ...
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sorry, i was overwhelmed
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<pscheie>
good news is good news
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<ogra>
yeah :)
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<sutula>
ogra: What's supposed to run on the client that translates the ESPEAKER port (e.g. 16001) to the client's sound device?
11:21
<ogra>
depends on the release :)
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<sutula>
ogra: This is Debian Etch
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<ogra>
in edgy and before we had esd
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debian etch is abut the same as edgy
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<sutula>
0.99debian11
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<ogra>
versioning and feature wise ...
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<sutula>
ogra: So, should an esd be running on the client?
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<ogra>
if you have set SOUND=True in lts.conf, yes
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no idea if debian installs a default lts.conf ... ubuntu does with that variable set
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<sutula>
ogra: It doesn't...but I set that and have a seemingly valid ESPEAKER value, but apps can't connect
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<thomask>
hey can someone help me out? i'm getting
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"no subnet declaration for eth1"
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anyone here/
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<sutula>
ogra: So, it wasn't running. Trying it gives error on /dev/dsp doesn't exist. I can run it as "esd -d /dev/audio -port 16001", but it still doesn't accept connections (afaikt). Does it need to be tunnelled with the rest of the login?
11:36
<thomask>
ogra can you help me with this issue? I am trying to get dhcp working i have edubuntu preinstalled and i have modified my /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file correctly yet i still get this error in my syslog...
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"no subnet declaration for eth1"
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<sutula>
thomask: Perhaps put your dhcpd.conf file somewhere that people can look at?
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<ltsppbot>
"thomask" pasted "here is my dhcpd.conf file" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/113
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<sutula>
:)
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<thomask>
how does it look?
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<sutula>
thomask: Two eth cards or just one?
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<thomask>
two
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my first is set as dhcp
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<sutula>
thomask: I'm not very good in this area, but perhaps if you paste the output of ifconfig, someone will know what's wrong
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<ltsppbot>
"thomask" pasted "ifconfig output" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/114
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<cliebow_>
thomask:post your dhcpd.conf?
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<ogra>
sutula, probably alsa doesnt load the right module
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no idea how debian works in that respect ...
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<sutula>
cliebow: He did earlier
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<thomask>
here is my dhcpd.conf file" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/113
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<sutula>
ogra: I did (just) get a connection by manually starting esd: esd -d /dev/audio -port 16001 -public -tcp
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ogra: No sound yet, but I probably need to mess with volume or something like that
11:51
<cliebow_>
werll option ruters is wron
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g
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<pscheie>
cliebow_: what's wrong with options routers? I've got that in mine, points to the ltsp server
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<sutula>
ogra: Assuming I find some combination that works, what script is being run that kicks all this off?
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<ogra>
sutula, well, its a bit weird since it seems to work flwless for many users ... i havent heard anything like that from debian users yet
11:53
<cliebow_>
hmmm..first ifconfig entry is 192.168.1
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<ogra>
sutula, /etc/init.d/ltsp-client and /usr/sbin/ldm
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<cliebow_>
pscheie, how can a router be outside of the range?
11:54
<ogra>
in the chroot indeed :)
11:54
<sutula>
ogra: OK, I'll study those to see what's happening...thanks much
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<pscheie>
ok, I see what you mean
11:55
I think the eth0 and eth1 declarations may be off
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<pscheie>
that is, etho is 192.168
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but dhcp ranges are 10.0.0
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<thomask>
so what should i do? should i change my dhcp range to 192.168.1?
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<pscheie>
doesn't the dhcp for the clients usually talk on eth0?
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<cliebow_>
maybe i am wrong..but if his dhcp uses eth0 by default for his "ltsp"network wouldnt the subnet and range want to be in 192.168.1?
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<thomask>
you can tell it which interface to choose here /etc/network/interfaces
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<cliebow_>
your "outside network is" which?
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<thomask>
192.168.0
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<pscheie>
right, but as cliebow said, then your router wouldn't be 192.168 if your range is 10.0
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<ogra>
pscheie, the dhcp talks to what it is configured for :)
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<thomask>
so i should tell it that my ltsp server is my router?
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<pscheie>
i think so
11:59
ogra: is that declared in /etc/network/interfaces?
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<ogra>
nope, dhcpd checks if an interface with an IP for a matching subnet declaration is found ...
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<pscheie>
for the dhcp server I mean, not as a client
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<ogra>
in /etc/network/interfaces you would define the settings for the interface
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<ltsppbot>
"thomask" pasted "/etc/network/interfaces" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/115
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<ogra>
yes, for the server
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<cliebow_>
if you look at /etc/default/dhcp3-server it defines interfaces to run dhcp on..the INTERFACES variable is sourced from /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server and defaults to eth0..
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<ogra>
thats fine, eth0 operates as dhcp client ... eth1 is the static interface the dhcp server should run on
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<ogra>
thomask, network 192.0.0.0
12:02
fix that
12:02
also the routers option in your dhcpd.conf is wrong
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<thomask>
i just saw that too and fixed it. do i need to restart in order for it to recognize it?
12:02
i set routers as 10.0.0.1
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<cliebow_>
i am afraid it will still flunk out..but ogra knows..
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<pscheie>
yes you must restart dhcpd
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<sutula>
thomask: yes, RE restart
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<thomask>
can i just restart network or do i have to restart the computer?
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<cliebow_>
/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
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<pscheie>
just restart dhcpd, not the whole network subsystem
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<ogra>
ifdown and ifup the interface, then restart dhcp
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<cliebow_>
i crawl back under table to avoid being hit with something
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<cliebow_>
thomask:remember that what is set in interfaces is how the interface "gets" its address..not where dhcp is running
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<Egyptian[Home]>
is it possible to have an active/passive redundant dhcpd on the network?
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<thomask>
same error in syslog
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no subnet declaration for eth1 (10.0.0.1)/ ignoring requests on eth1 if this is not what you want please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf...
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<ogra>
are you sure you are editing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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<cliebow_>
i believe that dhcp will run on eth0 by default..is this not so?
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<ogra>
nope
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<pscheie>
what distro?
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<ogra>
it tires to run on eth1 ... thats why it spills that warning
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pscheie, edubuntu
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<cliebow_>
is that defined somewhere? like /etc/default/dhcp3-server?
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<ogra>
you can force it to use one interface there
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but you shouldnt do that
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<cliebow_>
ok
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<thomask>
why shouldn't i do that?
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<ogra>
why should you ?
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<cliebow_>
thomask:must your mask be 254.0?
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<ogra>
it will only confuse people supporting you if you switch the defaults ... and be sure you will have forgotten about it in 6 months if you have troubles again
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<thomask>
i've got to go i'll be back... we'll revisit this. tia
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<ogra>
cliebow, yeah, that mask seems weird ... all that IP data seems weird ...
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looks like he applies class C rules
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that might be the root of the problem
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it's no class C net
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<cliebow_>
cause his broadcast must be wrong that way
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<ogra>
yeah
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<fixxxer>
hi everyone
12:21
can anyone help me a bit. my terminal freeze after "Doing the pivot_root" nfs: server 192.168.1.4 not responding
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I did showmount 192.168.1.4 -e and everything seems ok....
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<cliebow_>
fixxxer, did you check wiki.ltsp.org..the nfs section?
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<fixxxer>
I am in the troubleshooting section of the support page at ltsp.org
12:27
I will check the wiki thanks.
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<cliebow_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
12:27
see the piece on nfs server not..
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<fixxxer>
by the way I am using ver 3.0 does the wiki cover this?
12:28
lol is the same page I was checking :)
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thanks
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<cliebow_>
fixxxer, may be time to upgrade 8~)
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<fixxxer>
the "thing" is that it is a school project the teacher said that it MUST ber ver 3.0
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he said that we will experience so many issues with it that we will end up learning how to use linux wether we like it or not....
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<pscheie>
wait a minute: are you in the same class as MrNobody?
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<cliebow_>
oh no..not another!!!
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<ogra>
heh
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<fixxxer>
what someone else with the same problem?
12:32
<ogra>
yes
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<pscheie>
yesterday, yes
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<ogra>
apparently from your class
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<fixxxer>
lol
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I guess you already know the hole story then...
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<ogra>
sbalneav already mailed your teacher afaik abut the fact that 3.0 is pretty pointless to use ...
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<fixxxer>
well I hope he listen to you guys.... I really hope so
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<cliebow_>
make him create ltsp5 on something...like sourcemage..
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<fixxxer>
we have that class tomorrow I will ask the teacher one more time to let us use a newer version...
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I will comeback with the answer after that :)
12:35
cheers
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<ogra>
well the suggestion was to implement ltsp5 on any distro that doesnt have it yet ... thats where you can really learn something
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<cliebow_>
no no..create your own!
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and contibute to the community
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<ogra>
and the community benefits from it
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<cliebow_>
heh
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<ogra>
heh, cliebow beats me
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<cliebow_>
never happen again 8~)
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<fixxxer>
I will be glad to contribute. but the thing is that I need to pass that asignment first
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gotta go thx :)
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<cliebow_>
ok..then check dhcpd.conf..see what your root-path is
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use pastebot if you like !pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
cliebow_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
12:40* cliebow_ cliebow creates five lijnes of cruft to tell someone not to spam the channel
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<Berge>
Greetings! I'm having some troubles getting my LTSP client to mount the root file system over NFS.
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<pscheie>
Berge: what version of LTSP?
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<Berge>
The server's an Ubuntu Feisty install.
12:48
That makes it 5.0.7
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<ogra>
do you run any other dhcp servers in that network ?
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<Berge>
I do, the DHCP server is a different box than the LTSP server.
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Same with tftp.
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<Berge>
But the clients boots fine from network, and finds it initrd.
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<ogra>
well, thats both tftp
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nfs happens inside the booted initramfs
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<Berge>
But after it says "Begin: Running /scrips/nfs-premount", it tries to mount the root file system as NFS. Though, it says: "mount: Device or resource busy"
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<ogra>
boot without splash and quiet options ...
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<Berge>
And that tries again. And again.
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<ogra>
oh
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<Berge>
ogra: It is booting without splash and quiet.
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<ogra>
check the rootserver ip, is that right ?
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<Berge>
It is, and the root server reports "mountd[14804]: authenticated mount request" in syslog.
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<ogra>
weird
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<Berge>
And the NFS share is mountable by other computers in the network.
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<ogra>
oh wait ... can you paste your root-path entry from the dhcp config ?
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<Berge>
option root-path "129.241.93.221:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2005-August/000397.html suggests a workaround, by modifing the initrd-image, but it didn't change anything here. It just sleeps longer.
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<ogra>
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387808
12:53
thats your problem
12:53
it has the fix at the bottom
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it needs to be added to /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs
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in the client chroot ...
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<Berge>
ah.
12:55
My Google-skills are appearantly not top-notch.
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<pere>
ogra: it seem to me that for etch, I have no choice but to implement the keyboard code in the udeb, as the keyboard code isn't available in /target/etc/, and thus not available for ltsp-build-client
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<ogra>
then run update-initramfs -u in there, exit the chroot and copy it to the tftp location
12:56
pere, meh ... so we have another diff to maintain ... plugins are really the better way
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but if you dont see any other way, go ahead
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i will just have to be cautious on merges
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<pere>
yeah. I'll do another test install, but it seem to be missing. only a copy of the keymap file content is in /etc/console/, and it do not contain any ref to the keymap name. :)
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<Berge>
ogra: Hm, I might be interpreting this wrong, but it seems Ubuntu's got it fixed in their scripts: http://home.samfundet.no/~berge/tmp/nfs
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<ogra>
pere, well, the console-setup stuff came into ubuntu during feisty ... etch was long frozen ...
12:58
<pere>
ogra: my propsed change would not do any harm to the way ubuntu configure the keyboard. it would just be ignored, I believe.
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<ogra>
Berge, it was added to version 0.88, feisty has initramfs-tools 0.85
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<cliebow_>
Berge: you have two dhcp servers..any chance the second request is picked up from wrong one/
12:59
<Berge>
cliebow_: Nopes, I've only got one DHCP server.
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<cliebow_>
k
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<Berge>
ogra: oh.
13:00
Let's see.l
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<cliebow_>
ahhh..now i see
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<Berge>
s/l/./
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<ogra>
pere, well, as i said, go ahead ... it will double code though
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<pere>
yes. only four lines, luckily. :/
13:01
I'm testing it now. if it work, I'll report it to bts and make a new ltsp package for debian-edu.
13:01
<ogra>
i assume debian will switch in sid ... so there it might become redundant
13:02
<jammcq>
pere? Hey, long time, no see
13:02
<pere>
yeah.
13:02
jammcq: yeah. long time since I worked on ltsp. been busy with other projects like norwegian unix user group and openstreetmap.org. :)
13:03
<jammcq>
cool
13:03
we've been busy here in #ltsp land
13:03
<pscheie>
pere: where in norway are you?
13:03
<pere>
pscheie: oslo.
13:04
<pscheie>
I was in Oslo in '05, very nice, want to go back
13:04
<pere>
jammcq: yes, so I've noticed. :)
13:04
<pscheie>
my ancestors came from around bergen
13:04
still have family there
13:05
<pere>
pscheie: aha. where are you located?
13:05
<pscheie>
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
13:05
<pere>
right. close to little norway. I got relatives in that area. :)
13:05
<Berge>
pscheie: You wouldn't happen to know excactly where around Bergen?
13:05
I'm from Bergen (-:
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<pscheie>
fossmark
13:06* pere is going to bergen at the end of the month to talk about openstreetmap.org. :)
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<pscheie>
scheie was the name of a farm about 60km northeast of bergen
13:06* pscheie looks up openstreetmap.org
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<Berge>
pscheie: Yeah, I know where it is.
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pere: Ah, indeed you are. I wondered where I'd seen that nick of yours before.
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<pscheie>
you folks should organize a norwegian ltsp conference, give me an excuse to come back there ;-)
13:09
<thomask>
ok i just decided to run and get a router and now it works all nice and pretty. I see my thin client with udubuntu on it. however i have another fun issue...
13:10
<pere>
pscheie: you can join the skolelinux gatherings. we use ltsp extensively. :)
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<thomask>
when i create a user and a password and i try to log in with them it just spits me out back to the username screen and my auth log tells me that their password was rejected
13:10
<tonyr>
hello
13:10
<pscheie>
yeah, I wanted to look up someone about skolelinux when I was there but didn't have time
13:11
the trip was 3 weeks starting in stockholm, then down through denmark, up to oslo, out to bergen, then home
13:11* tonyr sees friends meho and stillflame here: hey guys
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<cliebow_>
thomask, can you login at a console on server
13:12
<pscheie>
it was wonderful, way too short
13:12
<thomask>
nm fixed it
13:12
<cliebow_>
nm?
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<thomask>
i just had to log in on the console with that user first and then it logged in fine
13:12
nm = nevermind
13:12
<pere>
pscheie: yes, sounds a bit short to cover such large area.
13:12
<cliebow_>
oh that tool...
13:12
<pscheie>
grueling, my kids might have said
13:12
<cliebow_>
so no homedir then?
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<pscheie>
but my wife and I would have loved to stay longer if we could
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<tonyr>
question: where can I read about special dhcpd.conf considerations for cross architecture support of PowerPc clients served from i386 platform?
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<jammcq>
tonyr: http://wiki.ltsp.org, look for 'dhcp'
13:15
<Berge>
pere: Worked like a charm, thanks a lot! (-:
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<pscheie>
Berge: are you in Bergen? or just from there?
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<tonyr>
jammcq: OK, thanks.
13:17
<Berge>
pscheie: I'm from Bergen, but living in Trondheim.
13:18
<pscheie>
another part of my family is from around Trondheim. My dad's been back there, but I haven't
13:19
is skolelinux used across Norway or just primarily in and around Bergen?
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<pere>
pscheie: skolelinux is used around the globe, but primarly in norway and germany. <URL: http://www.skolelinux.no/slschools/cartography.html > show some maps.
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<pscheie>
hey, that's a cool map, much better than the mess that frappr became
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<cliebow_>
tonyr:i've done quiote a lot of that..
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sorry for my accent
14:02
<pere>
does it work to have more than one --debconf-seeds argument to ltsp-build-client?
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<ogra>
no idea, thats your code :) we dont use it anywhere i ubuntu
14:03
vagrant might know
14:04
i guess a look at the right plugin might help ;)
14:05
it seems to split them on commas
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or spaces
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<pere>
I want to use --debconf-seeds /tmp/foo --debconf-seeds /tmp/bar, (separate parts of the code is just appending to the list of arguments.
14:08
<ogra>
well, it seems to want --debconf-seeds /tmp/foo /tmp/bar
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or --debconf-seeds /tmp/foo,/tmp/bar
14:08
<pere>
right. then I would need to parse the existing option list. :(
14:08
<ogra>
it does:
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DEBCONF_SEEDS="$(echo $option_debconf_seeds_value | tr ',' ' ')"
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and then
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for seed in $DEBCONF_SEEDS; do
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cat $seed | chroot $ROOT debconf-set-selections
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done
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<ogra>
i dont think we support multiple calls of the same option
14:10
but honestly i never tried
14:11
<pere>
reading the code in ltsp-build-client make me believe you are right. :(
14:11
<ogra>
well, we never had the need before :)
14:11
and for most options it would be silly ... i.e. --chroot
14:12
<pere>
yeah.
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<ogra>
pere, did you see that one ? http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/1211211
14:31
:)
14:35
<pere>
ogra: yes. I always new I was working to promote and improve progress cristian capitallistic communism. :)
14:35
<ogra>
hehe
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<tonyr>
cliebow_: you still around? done a lot of crossarch client support, you mean?
14:51
<cliebow_>
well ive been running ppc off 1386 for four or five years
14:53
<tonyr>
cliebow_: The situation here is a high turnover of ppc machines. Is your machine population fixed/stable?
14:55
I'd like o be able to differentiate machines on dhcpd.conf option vendor-client-identifier, but I'm not convinced all Macs provide that in the DHCP discover request
14:56
<cliebow_>
tonyr:in ubuntu?
14:57
i see what you mean...first dhcp..ive only tried a few varieties but they all work for first dhcp request
14:57
<tonyr>
cliebow_: ltsp server is on Debian etch, clients are all Ubuntu Edgy or Feisty
14:57
<cliebow_>
easy enough if one fails to run ethereal
14:57
meaning their chroot is either degy or feisty
14:58
the second dhcp request Does involve several different vendor ids
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d-i was one
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<tonyr>
cliebow_: cliebow_: I expect the G4 generation would provide idents; The one I didn't see it on was an early iMac (slot load)
15:02
<cliebow_>
they prob need a bootpish reservation..i'm not sure about vendor id
15:02
<tonyr>
I'm watching with wireshark (ethereal descendant)
15:03
<cliebow_>
that should be ducky..
15:04
<tonyr>
cliebow_: thanks for the input. gotta run now , miles to go etc etc
15:04
<cliebow_>
it would be nice to differentiate tween ppc and i386 at Second dhcp request so root=path would be automatic..i lost steam trying to get that figured out
15:04
tonyr:i have a dhcpd.conf if youwant it..on my other lappie
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<tonyr>
I hear you...There are some options request thingies in the dhcpd.conf that I don't understand yet. I'm wishing that they are instructions to the requestor to provide these things in the second dhcp, but I;m not sure what good that would do, I don't know enough about the conversation yet.
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<cliebow_>
i dont either know it so well..
15:08
i'm posting it..think it is latest..
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<tonyr>
cliebow_: offer of dhcpd.conf gratefully accepted. What's the preferred method..patebot.ltsp.org? email?
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patebot->pastebot
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<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/116
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<cliebow_>
remember my paths tend to be a little wonky
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<tonyr>
It's the structure and flow I'm trying to figure out, should be fine, thanks
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<tonyr>
cliebow_: got it! and thanks again
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<Burgwork>
how do I make dhcpd bind only to one interface? will it only start on static ones?
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<milosz>
boing!
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<BucWheat>
cliebow, i'm back and still having issues
18:44
i'm going to paste my dhcp.conf file
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<BucWheat>
when i do netstat i see dhcpd running
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<ltsppbot>
"BucWheat" pasted "clients can logon to server but not access e-mail" (97 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/117
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<BucWheat>
there is the output of netstat and my dhcpd.conf file
18:49
i do not know what happened to the box as everything was working fine a few days ago and then all of a sudden no inet access
18:49
the windows boxes are now getting their ip addresses from the router and not the ltsp box
18:54
cliebow, there?
19:00
<cliebow>
BucWheat ..lemme get t up to speed
19:01
<BucWheat>
ok
19:01
<cliebow>
does route -n show you have a gateway?
19:02
<BucWheat>
yea its 192.168.2.1
19:03
0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
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<cliebow>
your clients should be seeing a desktop from the server..at the server do you have internet access/
19:03
?
19:04
<BucWheat>
when i ssh into the server i can ping www.yahoo.com and other sites all day long
19:04
but when i do lynx www.yahoo.com it says no connection to host
19:04
host timed out
19:04
<cliebow>
is lynx running locally on the clients?
19:04
<BucWheat>
and i have no proxy or anything. just a cable modem and routers
19:04
no but mozilla is
19:05
actually they pull everything from the server.
19:05
i'm using the hp tc jammcq sells if that helps
19:05
<cliebow>
so option routers is something weird in dhcpd.conf
19:05
that the clients are getting
19:05
<BucWheat>
what should it be?
19:06
<cliebow>
shouldsnt it also be 192.168.32.1?
19:06
scrathc the 3
19:06
your server is 50 but it is not the gateway.
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<BucWheat>
okay. 192.168.2.1 is the physical router the server is plugged into
19:08
<cliebow>
and you are tellling your clients the router is something else..or al i bonko?
19:08
or am i bonkers?
19:08
<BucWheat>
i do not know how the route got changed though because i didnt change it
19:08
this is weird
19:08
<cliebow>
also is your ltsp server running bind?
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<BucWheat>
no
19:09
should it be?
19:09
<cliebow>
cause then it is not a domain name server 8~)
19:09
<BucWheat>
so i shouldn't have the ip address of the server listed as dns
19:10
<cliebow>
not unless it is running dns..
19:10
<BucWheat>
i changed it to that yesterday but it originally had ip address provided from ISP
19:10
i'll put that info back there now
19:10
<cliebow>
give it a whirl..i think you are on the mend
19:11
<BucWheat>
i'm going to inet_route add 192.168.2.50 or something like that and fix up the dhcp.conf
19:11
what should i do about the windows boxes? how do i give them ips?
19:11
and disable dhcp on physical router?
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<cliebow>
BucWheat, but your ltsp server is not a gateway is it?
19:13
<BucWheat>
192.168.2.1 is the physical router. which would be the gateway
19:13
so the route for default gw is right then?
19:13
<cliebow>
is this a 2 nic setup...
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<BucWheat>
no. just one
19:15
<cliebow>
i like that..meself..your winboxen should get an addy from a pool of addresses..or you vcan hard code em like your clients
19:16
<BucWheat>
so my routes are fine then?
19:16
<cliebow>
and they will surely want to know option routers as 2.1
19:16
if route -n shows on your server 192.168.2.1 gateway it hink you are golden
19:17
<BucWheat>
ok it does and netstat shows this for dhcp3
19:17
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* 25618/dhcpd3
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<cliebow>
you have no pool of addresses in your dhcpd.conf
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<BucWheat>
for win clients?
19:18
<cliebow>
for any clients at all..everything is hard coded
19:19
<BucWheat>
ok so i can uncomment the dynamic pool of address bits in my dhcp.conf ?
19:19
<cliebow>
IF you chanage the numbers..i am unsure of the order there without looking at one of my machines..
19:20
<BucWheat>
could you look for me :)
19:20
pretty pretty pretty please
19:20
<cliebow>
try noy to overlap your hard coded machines with your dynamic poolk
19:21
mine wre a little strange cause i run dhcp on alternate port..but let me look
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<BucWheat>
ok. i'm setting winboxen on dynamic range of 2.100 to 2.120 and thin clients are hard coded to 2.150 to 2.160
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<cliebow>
you can look at 169.244.3.137/dhcpd.conf if you like..there are no hard coded machines..
19:25
you should see the curly brackets enclose everything from the end of line 3 to the end
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<BucWheat>
take a look at my dhcp.conf i simply uncommented the second subnet line and removed the dynamic-bootp option
19:26
<cliebow>
my option-routers statement is wrong tooo 8~)
19:26
<BucWheat>
and changed the network to 192.168.2.0 and range from 192.168.2.100 192.168.2.120
19:26
do i need to declare this outside of the fixed address branch?
19:27
<cliebow>
i think all you need to do is fix the address in
19:27
range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.253;
19:27
<BucWheat>
so i do need dynamic-bootp?
19:27
looking dynamic-bootp up now
19:27
<cliebow>
and add it beloew option log-servers
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<BucWheat>
so declare it within its own parent subnet { }
19:28
?
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<cliebow>
just add it in below log servers after fixing the address to be in 192.168.2.0 subnet
19:29
<BucWheat>
ahh ok i see.
19:29
<cliebow>
doesnt need any more brackets
19:29
<BucWheat>
what does the dynamic-bootp do?
19:30
<cliebow>
err. i guess it passes out dhcp addresses
19:30
from a pool..
19:31
<BucWheat>
ok. how can i refresh tc's ? cycle power?
19:31
i'm logged into server with X and i'm still unable to access the web
19:31
<cliebow>
restart dhcp..
19:32
i dont even know what distro you are in 8~)
19:32
<BucWheat>
done that
19:32
debian sarge :)
19:32
./etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
19:32
removing bootp option
19:33
restarted dhcp3
19:35
no dice. still unable to access web from ltsp server
19:35
can ping but no elinks www.yahoo.com access
19:35
192.168.2.1 router has dns servers from ISP listed there
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<cliebow>
can you open network-admin and check your..damn..this i debian..
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<BucWheat>
should i also add the dns servers of /etc/resolve.conf?
19:36
<cliebow>
i dont know what you have for a AYES yES
19:36
<BucWheat>
?
19:37
nameserver 192.168.2.1
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<cliebow>
i dont know what you have for a GUI..but resolv.conf is the controlling file
19:37
i have to switch lapptops
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<BucWheat>
k
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<cliebow>
remember mozilla will have to restart i think to pick up the reolver
19:41
<BucWheat>
still no dice. should i restart the server?
19:41
what does your resolv.conf file look like?
19:41
i just have nameserver <ip address of physical router>
19:42
<cliebow>
sems ok
19:43
search Ellsworth
19:43
nameserver 192.168.3.1
19:43
the search piece is useless
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<BucWheat>
bugger! what is preventing inet access
19:45
doesn't make sense i can ping but can't access via web browser
19:46
<cliebow>
192.168.3.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
19:46
0.0.0.0 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1
19:46
my route -n
19:47
<BucWheat>
ok looks just like mine
19:47
i'm going to disable dhcp on physical router and see if i can pull an ip from ltsp server
19:47
i'll be right back
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<cliebow>
k
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<cliebow_>
ho
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<BucWheat>
good news is i get ip from ltsp on windows boxes
19:52
bad news is ltsp server and thin clients connected to it cannot connect to internet
19:52
but windows boxes that get ip address from ltsp server can
19:52
that is weird
19:52
<cliebow_>
cripes..
19:53
<BucWheat>
am i missing something in my hard coded ltsp lines?
19:53
<cliebow_>
but from a terminal on the server or client you can ping www.google.com
19:53
<BucWheat>
yea
19:54
<cliebow_>
what browser..as if that might make a diff
19:54
firefox,,
19:54
<BucWheat>
mozilla
19:54
cna't connect with elinks either
19:54
i see windows box in /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcp.leases now so that is good
19:55
<cliebow_>
and mozilla was turned off and back on
19:55
<BucWheat>
yea. let me killall mozilla instances to make sure
19:57
no dice. let me reboot server
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<cliebow_>
for the hell of it see if xchat will work on ltsp server..that also requires resolution..
20:00
<BucWheat>
ok i'll see
20:00
why can the windows boxes access the net but not the ltsp boxes?
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<cliebow_>
i am unsure..We know they get the correct gateway now from dhcpd.conf
20:01
and also the correct dns server
20:02
heck i suppose you could turn on bind on ltsp server..but that adds just one more variable
20:03
is your ltsp server hardcoded to an address..or get info grom dhcp?
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<BucWheat>
hard coded to ip address 192.168.2.50
20:07
i guess you do have to reboot linux servers every once and a while
20:07
the reboot did the trick
20:07
i can elinks www.yahoo.com
20:07
what hung it up i do not know
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<cliebow>
i am happy...i suppose we could have tried /etc/init.d/networking restart]\
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then restarted dhcp
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<BucWheat>
i tried that
20:09
actuall i did /etc/init.d/network restart or was it networking either way it didn't work
20:09
<cliebow>
But..there are some settings read from /etc/default that i dont thiink refresh that way
20:09
<BucWheat>
now on to installing cross over office :)
20:09
ahh i see
20:09
<cliebow>
Cool..
20:09
<BucWheat>
man server was up for more than a year without a reboot :)
20:09
thanks man you rock
20:09
<cliebow>
as do you!!
20:09
you had 300 days uptime?
20:10
or more
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<BucWheat>
yup
20:10
<cliebow>
never gotten there..power glitches..moviing things around,,
20:11
anyway..sounds like you are on the up and up..ill look you up for some xo office questions sometime
20:11
<BucWheat>
cool. this is my first xoffice install so hopefully i'll be able to get it installed
20:12
i'm going to upgrade to debian etch and latest ltsp on this box and then deploy xoffice server with ms office 2k3. hopefully i won't have any issues but we shall see
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heh
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<cliebow>
best of luck on that..ive never gotten very far with xx office wine etc..
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