IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 11 January 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<kc8pxy>
easier question, where is it documented, how to manually set up the dhcp to make ltsp work?
00:00
or is it simpler to just tell me?
00:47
johnny: still therer?
01:29
<johnny>
kc8pxy, it's in one of the example files
01:29
in the /usr/share/docs for ltsp-server
01:29
or should be
01:29
kc8pxy, sadly.. you realy have to know your cards atm
01:29
the more cards you add.. the slower it will boot
01:30
i recommend this script
01:31
oh.. it's on my broken machine.. ops
01:31
lemme see if i can write it real quick..
01:31
it's a total hack
01:35
http://localmomentum.net/~johnny/scripts/enter_ltsp_chroot.sh
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09:13
<moldy>
hi
09:14
after updating my client chroot to ubuntu 8.10, the guest login button is gone
09:14
can anyone tell me how to fix this?
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09:16
<moldy>
i am using the same lts.conf as before, which specifies ALLOW_GUEST="Yes"
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09:23
<moldy>
ahh, the name of the parameter.changed... ok
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09:29
<warren>
pscheie: I think maybe we should cancel the weekly meetings. I don't feel that it has been a good use of time.
09:29
pscheie: (and I haven't felt motivated to wake up on sundays, and most other people haven't either)
09:32
<moldy>
"The standard language codes for the LANG environment variable are used" what does that mean? de_DE.UTF8 does not work here. is it just de_DE?
09:33
<warren>
moldy: .utf8?
09:34
<moldy>
warren: you mean i should use small letters?
09:34
<warren>
I think so
09:34
<moldy>
warren: thanks, will try that next
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09:35
<Q-FUNK>
howdy!
09:36
<moldy>
for some reason, lts.conf in tftpboot does not work for me
09:37
i have to put it into the chroot
09:37
hi Q-FUNK
09:42
warren: hm, still no luck
09:43
i now tried de_DE.UTF8, de_DE.utf8 and de_DE
09:43
ldm is still english-only
09:43
<warren>
moldy: did you edit it in the chroot?
09:43
<ogra>
the locale is called de_DE.UTF-8
09:43
<moldy>
warren: yes.
09:43
<ogra>
(mind the dash)
09:44
<moldy>
ogra: thanks, i will try that
09:44
<warren>
ogra: hmm, what is your en_US locale called?
09:44
<ogra>
en_US.UTF-8
09:44
<warren>
ogra: huh... glibc doesn't call it that
09:44
<ogra>
no idea
09:44
<warren>
[warren@newcaprica ~]$ locale -a |grep de_DE |grep utf
09:44
de_DE.utf8
09:44
[warren@newcaprica ~]$ locale -a |grep en_US |grep utf
09:44
en_US.utf8
09:44
<ogra>
i just know its called like that since debian exists
09:44
<warren>
how wonderfully inconsistent
09:44
<ogra>
or at least since debian supports utf8
09:45
<moldy>
locale -a says de_DE.utf8 here, but env|grep LANG says de_DE.UTF-8
09:45
<ogra>
right
09:45
i was meaning LANG ..
09:45
<warren>
[warren@newcaprica ~]$ echo $LANG
09:45
en_US.utf8
09:45* warren goes outside to shovel snow for an hour
09:45
<ogra>
how did you call ISO locales in fedora before utf8 was there ?
09:46
<warren>
[warren@newcaprica ~]$ locale -a |grep ja_JP
09:46
ja_JP
09:46
ja_JP.eucjp
09:46
ja_JP.ujis
09:46
ja_JP.utf8
09:46
<ogra>
ISO8859-1 was capitalized as well since i know it
09:46
<moldy>
the fact that ldm is localized in recent versions was the main reason for me to upgrade. up to now, it is the only thing that is not working ;)
09:46
<warren>
ogra: zu_ZA.iso88591 exists, but no capitals
09:46
<ogra>
funny
09:47
i only know encodings in capital letters since i know linux
09:47
<warren>
never been capitalized here
09:47
<ogra>
(and i started with redhat in 96)
09:47
<warren>
maybe case doesn't matter?
09:47
<ogra>
(didnt keep it for long tough, to painful)
09:47
<warren>
anyway, gotta shovel
09:47
<moldy>
i think the locale names are basically arbitrary
09:47
<ogra>
happy shoveling :)
09:48* ogra is happy it doesnt snow here ... -5°C but no new snow since days
09:49
<ogra>
moldy, if you build your chroot freshly on the new system it should have picked the servers locale and configured that btw
09:49
<moldy>
ogra: hmm
09:49
<ogra>
so if your server is german the newly built chroot shuld be as well
09:49
<moldy>
i did not do that, i upgraded the chroot
09:49
<ogra>
ah
09:50
you should rebuild
09:50
always
09:50
<moldy>
hm, i will try
09:50
<ogra>
there is to much that ltsp-build-client configures at buildtime
09:50
<moldy>
then i should document the manual customizations to my chroot better ;)
09:51
took me some time to figure out how to create a chroot with which the clients boot :)
09:54
btw: do recent clients run a dhcp client daemon?
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09:59
<ogra>
client daemon ??
09:59
they run ipconfig from klibc in initramfs
09:59
as they always did in ubuntu and debian
10:02
<moldy>
is that supposed to correctly renew the dhcp lease?
10:03
my clients did not do that so far
10:03
which imho is a bug
10:03
yay, after creating a new chroot, ldm i18n is working :) thanks
10:05
settings from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf are still not recognized though, i have to make them in the chroot and run ltsp-update-image
10:07
<ogra>
thats weird
10:08
initramfs should pul them from there
10:08
are you sure you have no typo in your lts.conf or something ?
10:13
<moldy>
ogra: http://rafb.net/p/9UPhte38.html
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10:14
<ogra>
that looks ok
10:14
not much in it either :)
10:14
<moldy>
yep
10:32
anyway, from the chroot, it works
10:32
thanks :)
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10:43
<Administrator_>
hello
10:43
does LTSP have a commandline interface for session management?
10:43
like logging users out and in?
10:44
<nubae>
from a central location?
10:44
i suggest u look into italc
10:47
<Administrator_>
thanks
10:47
guess that could work
10:48
<ogra>
not comandline though
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10:51
<ogra>
nubae, thats actually the only useful part of thinclient-manager :)
10:52
thin-client-manager-backend has a tool called scp-remote that works from commandline and offers things like lock and logout
10:57
<nubae>
italc locks out terminals too
10:57
<ogra>
right, but is a big beast compared
10:58
<nubae>
ah, right... I suppose you're right
10:58
<ogra>
thin-client-manager-backend is 88k installed size :)
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12:24
<Q-FUNK>
http://www.zii.com/resource/zms/DMS05-PB-23DEC08.pdf
12:24
oops
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<TheProf>
Hello - a quick question please. I'm trying to see an error during the LTSP server's bootup where it lists the different things starting and gives either [OK] or [FAILED] however it goes by too quickly. Is there a place on the system once I log in where it is logged?
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<TheProf>
Any takers? :)
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21:27
<kc8pxy>
johnny: that is TOTALLY a hack. :) but it uses one of my favorite options :) -o bind :)
21:27
johnny: and without a recompile, it won't work on my box :-(
21:27
<usman>
hi, i have a problem i am configuring ltsp 4 on fedora 9 then only error is cannot find portmapper please help me
21:27
<kc8pxy>
usman: use ltsp 5
21:28
<usman>
well i try ltsp 5 but i was giving me errors message when making clients
21:30
ltsp-build-client
21:30
<johnny>
recompile kc8pxy ?
21:30
<usman>
when typing this command gives error
21:31
<johnny>
usman, so few people know how to fix ltsp4.. it is not worth using unless absolutely required
21:32
and then you are generally on your own
21:32
<Ryan52>
usman, if you try ltsp 5, it didn't work, so you try ltsp 4, and it doesn't work...why dont you go back to ltsp 5? from what I can tell, there's no difference (they both don't work for you).
21:34
<kc8pxy>
johnny: that only works if my host kernel rev is the same as my chroot kernel rev., right?? host is .26-r? and IIRC, genkernel rolled a 27-?
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<johnny>
oops.. i just missed whatever was said
21:35
<kc8pxy>
johnny: that only works if my host kernel rev is the same as my chroot kernel rev., right?? host is .26-r? and IIRC, genkernel rolled a 27-?
21:35
and totally wont work for my test box, as the host in amd64, and the client chroot is x86.
21:35
<johnny>
no.. those are close enough
21:36
the .26 and .27
21:36
and yes it wil lwork with amd64 and client of x86
21:36
that's what i dod
21:36
do*
21:36
that's why there's linux32 in the beginning
21:36
linux32 chroot /path
21:36
those arches are close enough that you can fool it with that
21:38
<kc8pxy>
kk
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<usman>
this is the error for ltsp 5 fedora after running ltsp-build-client
21:46
Root directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already exists, this will lead to problems, please remove it before trying again. Exiting.
21:46
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
21:46
<johnny>
that means you need to delete it
21:46
<kc8pxy>
I'm trying to roll a gPXE disk to test my clients with (still not sure i have the dhcpd settings correct)
21:46
<johnny>
and start over
21:46
rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
21:46
and then rerun it
21:46
then tell us the error
21:47
<kc8pxy>
and I'm having trouble finding a nic i have at the house.
21:47
<johnny>
ouch
21:47
none of your boards have onboard pxe?
21:47
<kc8pxy>
johnny: only the server "-(
21:47
<johnny>
ouch
21:48
so nothing on rom-o-matic will work?
21:48
that sucks?
21:48
<kc8pxy>
e100 is the closest i know.. and i only se e1000 on there.
21:49
<johnny>
gonna have to get new nics then.
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21:56
<usman>
2 errors during ltsp 5 installation
21:56
Starting NFS services: exportfs: duplicated export entries:
21:56
<johnny>
that's not an error
21:56
<usman>
exportfs: Warning: /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles does not exist
21:56
<johnny>
hmm..
21:57
you need to ask the fedora people
21:57
don't they have a mailing list?
21:57
warren, you about?
21:57
<warren>
johnny: no
21:58
usman: what distro are you running?
21:58
usman: /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles listed in /etc/exports has never been in fedora ever
21:58
did you follow some bad instructions from somewhere?
21:58
usman: what are you trying to do, what version of fedora?
22:00
<johnny>
warren, you sure look about to me :)
22:00
<usman>
fedora 9
22:00
warren:fedora 9 sulphr
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22:00
<warren>
usman: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
22:00
usman: try the k12linux install media instead, it is a lot easier.
22:01
<usman>
yes i am using it
22:01
and trying to install it
22:02
<warren>
usman: do not follow InstallGuide if you are using the k12linux live server
22:02
usman: and the live server is Fedora 10, download the new one
22:03
<usman>
warren: no live server
22:04
warren: making a real ltsp server
22:04
<warren>
usman: I am saying, you clearly do not know what you are doing, so you should download the live server media and install from it, because it is WAY easier.
22:04
<usman>
warren: ok can you give me the link of live server
22:04
<warren>
oh god
22:04
I'm sorry.
22:04
<usman>
:$
22:05
<warren>
usman: I already gave you the link.
22:05
<usman>
warren: okes
22:06
warren: is that for fedora 9
22:06
warren: or only for fedora 10
22:06
<warren>
why do you want fedora 9?
22:06
fedora 10 is way better
22:06
10 is greater than 9
22:06
If you want more awesome, use Fedora 11, which isn't even out yet.
22:07
<usman>
ok
22:07
fedora 10
22:07
<kc8pxy>
paydirt!:)
22:08
<johnny>
lol
22:08
<kc8pxy>
my mife's machine has 3c59x when i lsmod :)
22:08
<johnny>
warren == awesome
22:08
<kc8pxy>
wife's
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<kc8pxy>
i think i have a simpler solution :)
22:15
at least, one that bothers the wife's comp less :)
22:17
how the heck does a gentoo box get this error??
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<kc8pxy>
*** Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the
22:17
*** required header files.
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*** 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries.
22:18
<johnny>
weird.. i thought that was in the base profile
22:19
<kc8pxy>
what??
22:19* kc8pxy is stupid.
22:19
<kc8pxy>
it runs like a charm after i su -
22:20
<johnny>
hmm
22:22
<kc8pxy>
yeah.. then again, i think i may have compiled the first kernel as root.. so the whole thing is now permissioned as root :-(
22:24
vbox client, external dhcp(different host), tapped and bridged, vbox guest on ltsp server?
22:36
<johnny>
hmm?
22:36
when i was testing mine.. i used the host as the ltsp server
22:36
and then had vbox clients logging into it
22:42
<kc8pxy>
it's trying to grab a 10.0.0.0/24 ip. and my local is 192.168.2/0/24
22:42
2.0/24
22:43
how do i get it out?
22:45
gah
22:45
kernel compile is blowing chunks.
22:46
nat with pxe in vbox should work, yes?
23:01
<johnny>
hmm..
23:03
i thought you set up all that tunneling business
23:03
err
23:03
all that tuntap business
23:04
can you explain your setup again?
23:04
i don't understand what you said
23:06
<kc8pxy>
i had.. then i handed that box off :-(
23:06
<johnny>
well, i don't know what to tell you yet then
23:07
<kc8pxy>
right now i have dhcp server, playing wan gateway. and i have ltsp host, with vbox client trying to lan boot. i don't have the tuntap reconfigured yet, so I'm using nat.
23:07
i'm getting an ip from what vbox is doing as a dhcp, not the wan gateway.
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<johnny>
i don't know if you can with the nat
23:13
altho.. i coulda swore i heard of such a thing
23:14
<kc8pxy>
LOL!!!!!!!!
23:14
< > Open Sound System (DEPRECATED) (NEW) --->
23:18
<johnny>
finally
23:19
altho of course.. right after that.. the oss4 people opened up
23:19
<kc8pxy>
finally?
23:19
<johnny>
so. oss is back on the table again
23:19
weird huh
23:19
just when i was getting excited about finally picking something
23:19
altho it matters less and less as pulse is getting acceptable
23:19
<kc8pxy>
how can oss be marked as both new and deprecated, in my menuconfig??
23:19
<johnny>
except for the audio producers..
23:19
because it is a new notice i guess?
23:20
perhaps read it as . newly deprecated
23:20
<kc8pxy>
deprecated is the new new :)
23:22
<Ryan52>
unrelated to ltsp, but I can run a 32 bit guest with kvm on a 64 bit system, right?
23:23
<kc8pxy>
.......
23:23
vbox?
23:24
does your cpu have virtualization flags?
23:24
<Ryan52>
yes
23:24
<kc8pxy>
then mebbe.
23:24
<Ryan52>
that was helpful -.-
23:25
<kc8pxy>
because with those, IIRC, (i'm DEFINATELY an expert) the guest doesn't have to see any of the host, so if the cpu can do it, why not?
23:25
<johnny>
Ryan52, yes
23:26
<Ryan52>
johnny, thanks
23:26
<johnny>
a gentoo developer has been running a 64bit kernel with 32 userland..
23:26
nice to see that working easily..
23:26
<Ryan52>
oh...why? :)
23:28
<johnny>
i wonder if he posted about it.. so i can let him tell you
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: someone actually got a non-linux32 32-bit userland on a 64-bit kernel working?
23:40
<johnny>
huh? non-linux32 ?
23:40
this is as if your entire system.. except the kernel was 32bit
23:41
without using crossdev either..
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<johnny>
http://gryniewicz.com/blogs/dang/2008/12/19/32bit-userland-on-gentoo-amd64/
23:44
Ryan52, the best thing about gentoo folks doing this stuff
23:44
is that it weeds out issues in all sorts of packages
23:44
exposes many portability issues
23:45
<Ryan52>
ya
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<johnny>
if you wanted to learn the deep secrets of autotools and elf structures
23:46
i have a blog for ya .. :)
23:46
and linking in general
23:46
he's one of those guys who is always having issues with people who link their own versions of system software
23:46
<Ryan52>
sounds scary :)
23:47
<johnny>
well.. if you're the kind of person who wants to be down in the bare metal of what makes your gnu system work.. you need to know that stuff
23:48
<Ryan52>
okay, what is it?
23:48
<johnny>
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
23:52
<kc8pxy>
Ryan52: i have an issue with fg + my 4-yr-old.
23:53
<Ryan52>
kc8pxy: ?
23:53
<kc8pxy>
i have to bring home bits from recycling so he has THAT to work on, instead of giving the recycling treatment to anything he can find with screws and wires.
23:53
<Ryan52>
heh
23:54
<kc8pxy>
johnny: you ever been to a freegeek??:)
23:54
<johnny>
a free geek?
23:54
i've been to the portland freegeek
23:54
i met ryan and vagrantc
23:55
and warren and sbalnaev, and ogra
23:55
i was in portland for 10 days
23:55
i also went to the xmpp summit
23:55
and just generally had a swell time
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<kc8pxy>
kk