IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
it is because ssh drops root privledges (privledge separation) too early for most pam modules to run.
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<krinns_>
helo
00:46
vagrantc
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05:20
<juhaj>
I was wondering, is it really necessary to have tftp server on the same machine as ltsp's nfs root? debian's packages seem to want this, but I don't
05:20
<budgee>
not necessary
05:21
jsut change tftp path in dhcpd.conf
05:22
<juhaj>
yeah, but there is no way of having ldminfod installed on a pure debian machine without having tftp server as well
05:23
<ogra>
ldminfod doesnt need a tftp server ... only inetd
05:23
<juhaj>
I'm in a situation, where I want to keep the nfs root on a different machine than the machine where ltsp eventually logs to and I certainly do not want extra services running anywhere (i.e. extra tftp)
05:23
<ogra>
just disable it in inetd.conf then ...
05:23
<juhaj>
hm.. I guess I could just turn it off from the other machine and keep it installed, but ...
05:24
<ogra>
tftp in ubuntu and debian is run by inetd, commenting the line in the config switches it off
05:24
<juhaj>
that sounds fine. but I still think "depends:" on tftp server is not correct
05:24
<budgee>
that's will need to be debated with the relevant package maintainers
05:24
<juhaj>
could I just copy ldminfod and necessary libraries over? or make them another package?
05:24
<ogra>
ldminfod is a part of the ltsp-server package ... if we once split that package into scattered pieces i'll make sure it doesnt depend on tftpd
05:25
<juhaj>
budgee: I know. I just wanted to make sure I'm correct in assuming what I want done is possible
05:25
ogra: exactly. that's what I think should be done: ltsp-server could become ltsp-server-nfsroot, ltsp-server-xhost, ltsp-server-whatever-else-is-necessary
05:26
"xhost" here refers to the machine ldm logs into to run the window manager et al
05:26
<ogra>
yes, thats what we discuss ... i'm not a fan of it because it gets you in maintenance hell, but i understand the user need for it
05:28
<juhaj>
I understand that point, too. I hate maintenance hell's =)
05:28
-'
05:29
though I don't think that would mean maintenance hell to anyone except the DM
05:29
<budgee>
ogra: how's work toward 5 going?
05:30
<ogra>
budgee, feisty (7.04) will have the full ltsp5 version
05:30
i wrote a new printserver after we had to drop lp_server (nobody noticed the flaky license until now)
05:31
we'Re switching to pulseaudio ...
05:31
<juhaj>
ogra: what I'm even more interested is ltspfs (- to 0.4.3+debian2): it's stuck in NEW due to freeze. are you going to try to tweak it into etch?
05:31
<ogra>
and rdesktop support should work in feisty out of the box ...
05:31
juhaj, nope, i'm no DD ...
05:31
vagrantc does the debian packages
05:31
i do ubuntu
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05:32
<ogra>
i suspect he wont get them in but ysou'll have them in sid and they are backwards compatible
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05:34
<juhaj>
ogra: yea, I know, but I just hate backporting: it's a maintenance hell
05:34
<ogra>
yep, i know
05:34
<juhaj>
I think I'll bug vagrantc if/when he shows up
05:35
otherwise, thank you for excellent work! this works like a charm.
05:35
<ogra>
we were late with the ltspfs packages in ubuntu, so in turn he wqaws late with asking for inclusion ...
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05:35
<ogra>
and a freeze is a freeze ...
05:36
<juhaj>
(it didn't in the summer, the initrd mount nfs root -part was partially broken back then, but complaining to you guys obviously helped =) )
05:36
<budgee>
ogra: how complex do you think porting your fiesty work to gentoo will be
05:36
ogra: pulseaudio replacing esd?
05:36
<ogra>
yep
05:37
<budgee>
in fiesty?
05:37
<ogra>
well, ask dberkholz, he started a gentoo port ... i have no clue about the status
05:37
<juhaj>
hm.. another question: is there no docs about which settings are supported in lts.conf? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams has some, but it's rather old
05:37
<budgee>
ok
05:37
I will.
05:37
juhaj: check the old documentation
05:37
on the old site
05:37
<juhaj>
it refers to dapper's docs, which does not basically have anything =)
05:37
<ogra>
juhaj, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
05:37
<juhaj>
budgee: which old site?
05:38
<budgee>
dberkholz: you there?
05:38
<ogra>
thats in edgy ... and has the full list of supported params
05:38
<juhaj>
ogra: everything in there is supported? I checked that but it looked too much like it's vanilla upstream version so I didn't trust it
05:38
<budgee>
juhaj: http://ltsp.sourceforge.net/
05:39
<juhaj>
ogra: btw, "XSERVER = fqdn" does not seem to work. is it supposed to?
05:39
<budgee>
juhaj: See chapter 9: http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html
05:39
<ogra>
juhaj, nope
05:39
<juhaj>
(I *may* have a name resolution error, though)
05:39
<budgee>
juhaj: does fqdn resolve?
05:39
<juhaj>
ogra: thanks. why's that, though?
05:39
<ogra>
XEDRVER requires an X driver name
05:39
*XSERVER
05:40
<juhaj>
budgee: of course, but possibly not on the ltsp client since i'm not entirely confident on the dhcp server providing correct values
05:40
<budgee>
juhaj: XSERVER = auto
05:40
<juhaj>
ogra: my bad! I meant SERVER, without X
05:40
<budgee>
juhaj: Does DHCP issue the clients with DNS entries allowing them to resolve FQDN?
05:41
<ogra>
SERVER should work with dns names and ip adresses
05:41
if you want the servers IP, just use SERVER=server
05:41
"server" is automatically pointing to the bootserver
05:42
<juhaj>
ogra: in that case, my dhcp gives bad name resolver config...
05:42
<ogra>
(yes, i should add that to the doc )
05:42
<budgee>
ogra: ok, interesting.
05:42
ogra: when was that default added?
05:42
<ogra>
"server" is set in /etc/hosts on boot of the client
05:42
<juhaj>
hmm, but /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/resolv.conf is correct
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05:42
<ogra>
budgee, that was there since breezy, just undocumented
05:42
<envite>
Hola a todos desde España
05:43
Hello all from Spain
05:43
<budgee>
ogra: ok, is it a ubuntu default only?
05:43
<ogra>
nope, debian uses it too
05:43
we try to keep the code differences as small as possible ...
05:44
(with the target to have 100% identical code but different packaging)
05:44
<budgee>
ogra: ok, but this is post 4.2
05:44
<ogra>
s/different packaging/different distro specific dependencies/
05:44
thats ltsp 5
05:44
<budgee>
ogra: I am still using 4.1/2 in production?
05:45
-?
05:45
<ogra>
if you are fine with it and it runs why shouldnt you run 4.2 ...
05:45
<budgee>
ogra: well like i say, i am still using 4.2
05:46
ogra: i need to add networked audio using the AMD Geode LX
05:46
<ogra>
5 will have the easier maintenance aned upgradeability but if you doint change anything anyway and dont care about security upgrades for the clients there is no need to upgrade
05:46
<budgee>
having lots of trouble
05:46
ogra: also, only using VESA driver for the LX as cannot find any support for the driver
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<budgee>
ogra: maybe 5 makes it easier to customise?
05:53
<ogra>
yep
05:53
you just apt-get install what you want in the client environment ...
05:54
i.e. you want a complete cups server running on the client, you can just install cups ...
05:54
no compiling or anything like with the former ltsp versions ...
05:54
just use the distro packages ;)
05:57
<budgee>
ogra: ok
05:57
ogra: you around for a bit?
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06:02
<ogra>
budgee, yes but i have tons of meetings today .... i'll be around here but active in other channels so my reply might take some time ...
06:11
<budgee>
ogra: ok thanks
06:12
ogra: sound module loaded in 4.2 now but after "Starting Sound Server", getting /dev/dsp: no such file or directory
06:12
ogra: ideas?
06:28
ogra: think this may be it: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2
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06:40
<rafiks>
hey!
06:40
where can I find documentation for lts.conf?
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07:08
<envite>
rafiks
07:08
on wiki
07:09
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
07:10
<str4nd>
Hmm.. why ltsp dont work if client is behind the hub... "Mounting root file system [ok]" and nothing happens
07:11
hmm.. i mean optical fiber switcher, not hub
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07:18
<rafiks>
envite : thanks
07:22
<ogra>
rafiks, depends which version you use ... ltsp 4.2 docs for lts.conf are on the wiki, ltsp 5 includes the docs for lts.conf
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07:27
<rafiks>
i am using ltsp 5,i don't see it in my computer? is it a manpage?
07:28
is there a big difference between lts.conf of 4 and 5?
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07:33
<MRH2>
Hi anyone know if there is a way to stop screen updates for inactive workspaces (using gnome here)
07:33
<cliebow_>
rjune:pingorooie
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07:39
<juhaj>
hm.. after I changed SERVER to a host != the nfs root machine, I can no longer log in. there is an ssh connection to the host in question, but it never manages to even try to authenticate (nothing appears in auth.log of the server). ssh_known_hosts is fine
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07:54
<budgee>
Any sound fundi's available?
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08:02
<budgee>
Anyonbe able to answer sound questions?
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08:04
<cliebow_>
budgee:if you are in ltsp5 ogra is your best hope..Gadi might be able as well
08:06
<budgee>
4.2
08:06
<envite>
I can help a bit with sound
08:06
but probably only a bit ;)
08:06
<budgee>
envite:
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08:08
<envite>
budgee: ?
08:08
<budgee>
envite: ok, so the driver loads and esd starts on the terminal
08:08
envite: does sound need to work on the serfver itself?
08:08
envite: ie. does the server itself need soundcard loaded etc
08:09
<envite>
budgee: no, sound does not need to work on server
08:10
I wrote wiki's OSS-ESD redirection on KDE after testing in a server w/o soundcard kernel module ;)
08:10
<budgee>
envite: ok, how do i test the sound on the terminal? i tried through a shell on the terminal to cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp
08:11
envite: ok cool. This server has no sound modules loaded and the client is AMD Geode LX based, with ALSA soundard drivers only
08:12
envite: ps. the "cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp" did not render any static
08:12
<envite>
I do not know about sound hardware, included AMD LX ;)
08:12
i'm starting my ltsp test client to help you
08:13
<budgee>
envite: it is configured as follows:
08:13
SOUND = Y
08:13
SOUND_DAEMON = esd
08:13
SMODULE_01 = snd-cs5535audio
08:13
envite: No OSS support for that driver. 2.6 ALSA only.
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08:16
<ogra>
try to load snd-pcm-oss additionally ...
08:17
that might give youz the alsa/oss compatibility layer to make esd happy
08:17
(i.e. creates /dev/dsp)
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08:18
<budgee>
ogra: Is there a way to test on the commandline if /dev/dsp working?
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08:18
<envite>
Sorry, laptop battery went out
08:18
<budgee>
envite: where did I lose you?
08:18
<envite>
budgee: do not use /dev/random
08:18
<ogra>
dunno if there is any kind of player installed in 4.2 clients to test from commandline
08:18
<budgee>
envite: ok? why?
08:18
<envite>
try cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp
08:18
<budgee>
ogra: seems not
08:19
envite: brb, will try now
08:19
<envite>
budgee: i think kernel can not generate random numbers as fast as cat tries to read them, so you do not hear them happening
08:20
<budgee>
envite: that worked!
08:20
envite: nice :)
08:20
ok, so if i merge xmms-esd i can test, right?
08:21
<envite>
try it ;) never become afraid of testing things (excepting drugs and rm -rf / )
08:22
<budgee>
envite: just that this particular box does not have kde on it and to merge kde will take a day or so :)
08:23
envite: am merging it in the meantime because the production environment that is running 4.1 uses kde
08:23
<rafiks>
budgee: what is merge?
08:23
budgee: are using gentoo?
08:23
<budgee>
rafiks: yes
08:24
rafiks: merge = emerge
08:24
<envite>
budgee: try something simpler first
08:24
like esdplay
08:24
<rafiks>
budgee : i thought gentoo does not have ltsp 5 yet..
08:25
budgee: you doin it the hard way?
08:28
<budgee>
rafiks: it does not
08:28
rafiks: using 4.2
08:28* budgee goes to lab to test esdplay
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08:31
<budgee>
envite: does esdplay plays mp3?
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08:32
<rafiks>
budgee : i tried it ,doesn't work..
08:32
<budgee>
rafiks: esdplay?
08:32
<rafiks>
budgee : yup
08:32
<budgee>
rafiks: does your sound work?
08:32
<rafiks>
budgee : yeah,,but i haven't setup my client yet...still not here..
08:33
still using my desktop
08:33
<budgee>
envite: dude? how to test with esdplay?
08:33
<rafiks>
budgee : have you tried a wav file?
08:35
<envite>
budgee: on any computer in the same network (you can use the server, the workstation, or any other computer with esdplay installed)
08:35
esdplay -s WORKSTATION_IP SOUND_FILE
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<envite>
on the workstation, or in the server if envvars are correct, you can wipe out "-s WS_IP"
08:36
<budgee>
envite: What format can SOUND_FILE be? mp3 don't work
08:36
<envite>
budgee: wav
08:37
<budgee>
envite: ah
08:37
right, now to find a wav! :)
08:37
<envite>
heh
08:37
try /usr/share/sounds
08:38
<budgee>
envite: roger that, going to test
08:41
envite: for i in /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*; do esdplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Right.wav; done
08:41
envite: YAY! she speaks!
08:41
envite: so it was working all along, just needed testing :)
08:42
envite: for i in /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*; do esdplay $i; done
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08:43
<envite>
ok, you owe me a beer
08:43
<budgee>
envite: where do i send it?
08:43
<envite>
where must I have to go to take it?
08:44
Spain, Canary Islands
08:44
<budgee>
budgee: Durban, South Africa - Fantastic this time of year! :)
08:44
<envite>
hmm, it's a bit far from here ;)
08:44
<budgee>
envite: Sorry, that was me talking to you, not me talking to me.
08:44
<envite>
dont worry :)
08:45
<budgee>
envite: oh well. one day maybe.
08:45
<envite>
I hope you still entering here at IRC
08:45
<budgee>
envite: thanks, that's wicked to have solved.
08:45
envite: who is the Video Guru? I am still using the VESA driver for the Geode LX.
08:46
envite: will be around
08:48
<envite>
budgee: me too. About video, I've no idea
08:49
Have readed http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#Geode_GX1 ?
08:49
may help
08:49
<budgee>
GX1 is previous chipset.
08:50
envite: LX is new and not yet in X stable
08:50
But AMD has patch available
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<budgee>
envite: http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_13022%5E11363,00.html
08:50
See: Xorg Common Patch for LX/GX 03.00.0100 12/20/05
08:50
X.org 6.8.1 pristine source patch - supports LX and GX
08:51
envite: That page says the driver was mainstreamed X.org (7.2)
08:51
But 7.2 is still far from release
08:52
<envite>
well, try that. Don't be afraid of trying ;) use CVS of Xorg
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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08:56
<envite>
good afternoo
08:56
;)
08:56
<budgee>
envite: but how do I compile it? it needs to be compiled against the ltsp-4.2 stuff?
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<budgee>
jammcq: loooooooooooong time no speak.
08:57
jammcq: like 3 years
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08:57
<budgee>
jammcq: ps. good morning, happy new year
08:57
<jammcq>
thanks, you too
08:58
<budgee>
jammcq: the nsc driver supplied in LTSP 4.2-4, is does that include the LX patch? (http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-November/019649.html)
08:58
<jammcq>
no
08:58
it doesn't
08:58
<budgee>
jammcq: if not, how do i apply the patch and rebuild?
08:58
jammcq: do i need to use LTSP 5?
08:58
<jammcq>
umm, well, I haven't seen the patch. What version of Xorg is that patch for?
08:59
<budgee>
jammcq: us Gentoo people have not yet wrapped our mind around LTSP 5
08:59
jammcq: 6.8.1 and up I believe, see: http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_13022%5E11363,00.html
08:59
<jammcq>
LTSP-4.2 is using Xorg 6.9
09:00
<budgee>
jammcq: so we should be able to update the nsc driver?
09:00
<jammcq>
*should* yes
09:01
<budgee>
jammcq: yes, i understand the should part.
09:01
jammcq: some pointers please to get me going... do I need LBE?
09:01
<jammcq>
to build Xorg, yes
09:02
<budgee>
jammcq: so I need to rebuild the whole of Xorg, or is it possible to just rebuild the nsc dirver?
09:02
<jammcq>
you'll need to build ALL of LBE, including all of Xorg
09:02
<budgee>
jammcq: I have ltsp-4.2-4 installed on gentoo, how do I get LBE again (it has been a while)?
09:03
<envite>
It's 15:00 here, I'm going home
09:03
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads?topic=LBE
09:03
<budgee>
envite: thanks dude
09:03
<envite>
good luck with that, budgee
09:03
<budgee>
envite: stoked it works :)
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09:04
<budgee>
jammcq: any idea roughly how long the cvs checkout will take?
09:04
it MB terms?
09:04
:%s/it/in
09:05
<jammcq>
cvs checkout is real fast
09:05
couple of minutes
09:05
that's not the hard part
09:05
once you start building, it needs to go fetch tarballs of all the upstream source packages
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09:05
<jammcq>
that can take quite a while
09:05
<budgee>
yeah, sure.
09:05
ok so once XOrg is down, I will need to patch the relevant file before rebuilding?
09:06
cd lbe
09:06
./build_all --fetch
09:06
oops, ignore that
09:06* budgee cringes
09:06
<jammcq>
yeah, you get the idea :)
09:06
<budgee>
jammcq: sorry dude, back on training wheels again, it has been a few years
09:06
things, they are a changing in LTSP
09:07
i am hoping to get more involved with dberkholz getting MueKow into Gentoo
09:07
<jammcq>
cool
09:07
that is VERY different from LBE
09:07
and very exciting
09:07
<budgee>
yes, concept sounds very exciting!
09:08
once the new nsc driver is built and working, can we update ltsp-4.2?
09:08
i assume my LBE will create a binary usable by all LTSP 4.2 users?
09:08
<jammcq>
you can give me the updated package.def file, and I can roll out an update
09:09
<budgee>
ok, cool. no idea what/where package.def is, but will pass it on once done.
09:09
should i use the same kernel release as with 4.2-4?
09:09
<jammcq>
yes
09:10
<budgee>
2.6.17.8
09:10
<jammcq>
umm, I don't remember
09:11
<budgee>
Was upgraded to cd lbe
09:11
./build_all --fetch
09:11
grr oops
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<budgee>
was upgraded to 2.6.17.8 in 4.2 update 3
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09:12
<budgee>
according to: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#LTSP_4_2_update_4
09:12
jammcq: thanks, will let you know tomorrow.
09:12
<jammcq>
k
09:12
<budgee>
downloading all now. have meeting in 20 mins, will continue later
09:13
jammcq: what time are you typically online everyday. it is 17:10 my time
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<jammcq>
it's 10:12am here
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<budgee>
jammcq: ok, ciao, try catch you this time tomorrow, or report via the mailing list.
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<jammcq>
I'm usually around during the day, EST
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<budgee>
or both :)
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<efra>
Morning everybody
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<g333k_work>
efra, Good morning!
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I need to make a professional installation of a LTSP server... Can you tell me some hints? Beside the structure of the mount points
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<arc_>
g333k_work: you have full documentation on ltsp.org with lots of hints
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<g333k_work>
arc_, I will chek it
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If I have 2G of RAM what size of swap should I user?
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use* ?
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<mhterres>
hey guys
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hi jammcq
11:52
hey, I'm having a problem with the XkbModel in lts.conf
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I put this option in lts.conf but the XF86Config.1 in the client don't have this option
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any ideas ?
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the only option in keyboard section that appears is XkbLayout
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the other options doesn't appear
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<mhterres>
hello
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:-)
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<budgee>
Ahoy
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Anyone around - am updating the nsc/geode driver for 4.2-5 and have a question or two if anyone has LBE ready to reference
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<vanya>
hello, I got (EE) SIS(0): [dri] SISDRIScreenInit failed because of a version mismatch.
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[dri] libDRI version is 5.0.0 but version 4.0.x is needed.
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[dri] Disabling DRI.
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in xorg.log on ltsp-4.2 What can I do in order to get dri enabled?..
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<vanya>
anyone?.
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<dberkholz>
budgee: i'm here
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<ogra>
!seen vagrantc
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<ltspbot>
ogra: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <vagrantc> it is because ssh drops root privledges (privledge separation) too early for most pam modules to run.
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<rjune>
cliebow: pandgdoodlie
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<cliebow>
rjune:heh wonder if you have tackled file associations with nautilus..gd rtfs open in nedit
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<rjune>
not w/ nautilus
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<cliebow>
/usr/share/applications is implied..but danged if i can get ti to change
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<J45p3r>
cliebow: ping
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<cliebow>
rjune:yo ho ho
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and a bottle of heinie
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<rjune>
sup
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<cliebow>
]noy much.you do well today
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<J45p3r>
check this out, we shouold try it http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19488&highlight=dgbypass
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<rjune>
I wish I had a bottle
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<cliebow>
ooooh
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<rjune>
medicinal purposes
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<cliebow>
and not for a 2 year old
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<rjune>
no
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I'm working on a cold
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<cliebow>
J45per: Looks VERY Promising
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<J45p3r>
i think at least good enough for Abe (this was his primary concern going firewalled)
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<cliebow>
yeah..might be the missing link
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<chupacabra>
http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/Saddams_Cat.gif
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<chupacabra>
http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/Saddams_Cat.gif
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