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Channel log from 10 November 2015   (all times are UTC)

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<jisaitua>
Hello
00:42
I'm looking for some help with udisks and polkit
00:42
I have an LTSP installation and I'm using an usb over ip solution to connect usb devices to the server. The problem is that I can't find how to let polkit know that some specific usb disk belongs to a specific user.
00:43
I know that polkit>=0.107 has some mechanism to do what I want using some form of javascript rules
00:43
but Ubuntu 14.04 that I'm using has polkit 0.105 only
00:43
...so if someone can help me I would really appreciate it
00:45
<vagrantc>
jisaitua: ltspfs isn't working for you?
00:45
<jisaitua>
hi vagrant
00:46
<vagrantc>
what sort of USB devices?
00:46
<jisaitua>
yes, it works, but I'm using this usb over ip solution for all usb devices and I prefer having all under the same umbrella
00:46
joypad, kindles, usb disks, etc
00:47
btw: the solution is the one from incentivespro
00:48
I tried the one from staging kernel but was very unstable
00:49
<vagrantc>
i don't think other folks have tried this
00:49
but i'd be interested to know the results
00:49
<jisaitua>
it works great
00:50
I made an udev rule so every device that is connected has the correct info of the "owner" of that device
00:51
and the latency is excellent...we play steam games in different rooms using usb joypads over ip and works great
00:52
..but udisks + polkit is my last problem to solve
00:56
<vagrantc>
nice
00:58
<jisaitua>
to play games remotely I use virtualgl
00:59
From what I've read, my last chance (and the hardest) is to write some PolicyKit authority implementation plugin...but I don't want to take that route...
01:01
<bennabiy>
interesting...
01:30
<jisaitua>
thanks anyway. If I found some way to resolve my problem I will let you know...maybe it can help others
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04:42
<work_alkisg>
jisaitua: is there a reason you're not using netbooted ltsp fat clients instead?
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04:43
<alkisg>
I imagine that if a client has a graphics card good enough to play with virtualgl, then it is good enough to also play locally...
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08:20
<alkisg>
!noaccel
08:20
<ltsp>
noaccel: Some graphics cards, e.g. SiS [1039:6325] on 14.04, require this setting in lts.conf: X_OPTION_01="\"NoAccel\""
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12:31
<jisaitua>
Hi alkisg
12:32
the clients have very weak graphic cards. The ltsp server has a good nvidia card
12:33
so I have thinclients in most rooms of my house and all clients can play heavy games like bioshock infinite, soma or the witcher because the server has the big graphic card
12:34
...and no need to configure every client (that's one of LTSP beauty)
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12:35
<jisaitua>
the clients don't even have to have a 3D capable graphic card (they just need a x11 driver with a good xvideo implementation)
12:38work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
12:38
<alkisg>
jisaitua: hi, I'm not getting it... xvideo is for transferring video, virtualgl is for transferring 3d
12:38
I assume that virtualgl doesn't work if the client doesn't have 3d, right?
12:39
Or are you using some other solution that renders the graphics on the server and then makes a video out of the result and sends it to the clients?
12:39
<jisaitua>
yes, the client only sees a video
12:39
<alkisg>
And you say you're using virtualgl to do that?
12:39
<jisaitua>
so the client don't need a 3D card
12:39
yes, I'm using virtualgl
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12:44
<alkisg>
I can't find any references about virtualgl using xvideo
12:45
I see that vgl transport = turbo vnc in some pages
12:46
<jisaitua>
it's in the docs
12:46
https://cdn.rawgit.com/VirtualGL/virtualgl/2.5beta1/doc/index.html#hd0010
12:46
chapter 10: "Support for the X Video Extension"
12:48
<alkisg>
That's very cool
12:48
<jisaitua>
yes it is
12:48
<alkisg>
I didn't find that in the virtualgl.org
12:48
<jisaitua>
and it works incredible well
12:49
<alkisg>
I'm not sure how much CPU the server will need for each client though
12:49
Is it using turbovnc to generate the video stream?
12:49
<jisaitua>
it depends of the game and what transport you use
12:50
turbovnc and virtualgl they both use the same: libturbojpeg
12:50
<alkisg>
And you were able to power e.g. 4 clients with it, playing simultaneously?
12:50
<jisaitua>
and that's the trick..the libturbojpeg library
12:51
most of the time we are only to gamers at a time
12:51
and the other client is using kodi to watch movies
12:51
*two
12:52
<alkisg>
Which card, server-side? nvidia with proprietary drivers?
12:52
<jisaitua>
yes, nvidia 770 with proprietary drivers
12:53
<alkisg>
Is the whole session rendered with virtualgl, or only the 3d parts?
12:53
E.g. can I login to a normal thin client and then have a `ltsp-remote-exec-virtualgl application` script?
12:54
<jisaitua>
the whole session so others use it too (like google chrome)
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<jisaitua>
virtualgl uses the LD_PRELOAD trick
12:54
so no need to have such scripts
12:54
<alkisg>
I mean to only call it on demand, so that it doesn't interfere with other things
12:55
<jisaitua>
yes, you can do that
12:55
you can just set the LD_PRELOAD variable when you need it
12:56
<alkisg>
How come it's not packaged for ubuntu?
12:56
<jisaitua>
good question
12:57
I'm using this technology for years
12:57
hey, but it is packaged for ubuntu...but I meant it's not in the main repo
12:58
http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtualgl/files/2.4.90%20%282.5beta1%29/
12:58
the *.deb files work in ubuntu and debian
13:00
<alkisg>
The server can also be a windows machine?
13:00
(the virtualgl server of course, not the client's x-server...)
13:00
<jisaitua>
I'm not sure, but I think it has to be a unix machine
13:01* alkisg sees some .exe files there and wonders what they're there for
13:01
<alkisg>
Ah, cygwin
13:01
<jisaitua>
those are the clients for windows (the libturbojpeg files)
13:01
..yes with cygwin
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14:44
<fenixfunk5>
alkisg, thank you for all the tips you provided me yesterday, XSERVER=vesa and XOPTION=noaccel got me rid of the error message, leaving me with... nothing but a blinking cursor heheh :p so i eventually built another client image from ubuntu precise, I still do have some minor issues with that one, again all graphics-related, but they're manageable. so, thanks again and keep it up! cheers
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16:22
<_spk_>
afternoon, is there a method for turning off the boot logging of the clients?
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17:24
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: you still interested in AoE? have you tried using vblade-persist?
17:35work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
17:35
<alkisg>
Hi vagrantc, no, googling...
17:36
_spk_: turning off boot logging? what for?
17:37
vagrantc: so it's just to make persistent names for the blade devices?
17:38
Wouldn't we manage that in /etc/vblade.conf?
17:40
I don't know how well AoE fares with ethernet flow control issues, which we usually turn off and handle them with the automatic tcp rate limiting...
17:40
<vagrantc>
alkisg: not sure, just curious to explore the options, ran across it looking at other things
17:41
<alkisg>
And it would make it a bit more difficult to auto-generate swap files
17:41
Although nbd crashes are a lot more frequent than aoe/nfs ones...
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18:15
<alkisg>
sbalneav: Scotty do you have some time to work on a papercut for ltsp users?
18:15
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730587
18:16
gnome-keyring creates thousands of temp files on sshfs because its locking logic fails
18:16
It affects all gtk-based distros since about 3 years now
18:21* vagrantc keeps forgetting to verify the issue on debian
18:22
<alkisg>
We've verified it with cyberorg on opensuse
18:22
And it's there in mate as well, and I think in xfce too
18:22
<vagrantc>
so likely, but i always like to see it for myself if i can :)
18:23
<alkisg>
Sure, and sometimes distro maintainers are good enough to provide patches
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18:25* alkisg suspects that they broke it on sshfs in order to fix it on windows... :D https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2012-August/msg02916.html
18:26
<vagrantc>
ugh.
18:26
<SlimZz_tom>
hello all if i can ask are the repo's dead ? trying to install and i'm always getting timed out.
18:27
<alkisg>
SlimZz_tom: what repo's?
18:27
distro/version etc?
18:28
<SlimZz_tom>
well ltsp rhel repo
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<alkisg>
I think LTSP has not been working on RHEL for a few years now
18:29
It's pretty much for .deb-based distros only nowadays, except for opensuse which supports kiwi-ltsp
18:29
<SlimZz_tom>
im working now on centos 6.7
18:30
<alkisg>
Which ltsp version is that?
18:30
<SlimZz_tom>
it is fedora and k12
18:31
i do all it ask there http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora but i'm getting timed out in yum
18:31
when typing sudo yum install -y ltsp-server
18:32
<alkisg>
5.4.5 == 2013
18:32
That's the last we saw of any ltsp maintainer for .rpm distros
18:33
<SlimZz_tom>
yeah i did get to install the ltsp thru rpm but now since the repo "looks dead" i can't even build my thin client in opt
18:34
<alkisg>
Except for completely switching distros, you could also temporarily use another distro to build an ltsp chroot and then copy it to your rhel server
18:35
<SlimZz_tom>
i did a debug while the ltsp-build-client was running and all i got was connection timed out to the repo
18:35
<alkisg>
I haven't seen anyone supporting rhel etc here since 2013...
18:35
<SlimZz_tom>
O.o
18:36
but but but ... why no support to rhel anymore sad thing
18:36
<alkisg>
Noone cares, simple as that
18:36
<ogra_>
and as usual redhat/fedora ltsp devs come around very enthusiastic, make it even work and then seem to fall off the face of the earth ... and at the next big upstream change rh/fedora ltsp is broken again
18:36
<SlimZz_tom>
lol
18:37
<alkisg>
Yup, we've seen that numerous times unfortunately
18:37
<ogra_>
yeah
18:37
<SlimZz_tom>
oh well then i just build my own client thougt of having an easy life with ltsp :(
18:38
<alkisg>
Maybe if enough rhel users cared, you guys could organize a fund raing or something
18:38
*raising
18:39
<SlimZz_tom>
doing it is quite easy the hardest part is having your client using the same credential and the server and same for the home dir.
18:39
<alkisg>
If you can find your way around the code, you can maintain ltsp yourself and even send patches for whatever you find not working
18:40
!ltsp-source
18:40
<ltsp>
ltsp-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
18:40
<SlimZz_tom>
well thx guy to have confirmed my thought ! ltsp for rhel is freaking dead ! :P
18:40
<alkisg>
Yup, until some rhel developer decides to support it :)
18:43
<SlimZz_tom>
sad thing i'm not a dev only an admin :)
18:43
<vagrantc>
it's not impossible to make the transition
18:43* vagrantc has had one foot in each for years
18:44
<vagrantc>
LTSP is pretty much system administration
18:44
<SlimZz_tom>
yeah i'd like to have the possibility to learn to dev but i'm the kind of guy that need a mentor XD
18:44
yeah i
18:45
well i am an admin but unfortunatly i lack the knowledge of scripting ( sucks for me)
18:45
so i have others to do that parts of my job lol
18:46
<vagrantc>
only way i learned anything is by trying
18:47
<SlimZz_tom>
unfortunatly i haven't found a good reference website to learn it and i can scrap as many OS as i want viva the VM's
18:47
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
18:47
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
18:47
<alkisg>
ltsp in 1 hour :)
18:47
<SlimZz_tom>
well one day i go do those RHEL certif :P
18:48
<alkisg>
(50 minutes is the os installation :))
18:48
<SlimZz_tom>
well thanks guy have a nice day ! see ya 1
18:49
<alkisg>
bb!
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20:17
<_spk_>
work_alkisg: mainly because it's the busiest thing writing to the disk during client boot and we're looking to get a room of 160 machines booting simultaneously...
20:18
<muppis>
_spk_, in which disk it writes them? There's no disk to write.
20:19
Those logs are not stored anywhere
20:20
<ogra_>
dont they go to the servers syslog anymore ?
20:20
(they used to)
20:20
<muppis>
Never heard from that.
20:21
<ogra_>
well, then that has probably changed
20:22
<_spk_>
ogra_: yeah, it's ending up in kern.log on the server
20:22
<vagrantc>
i think it's no longer enabled by default, since it requires server-side configuration to work properly.
20:22
<ogra_>
uuh
20:22
it should definitely not go to kern.log
20:23
ah, right, its a systemd world ...
20:23
that surely has changed remote logging
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<||cw>
I don't see anything like that in my logs, so if it's doing it on yours it's something you enabled... turn it off.
20:25
<_spk_>
maybe...we're just using the 14.04 LTS release
20:26
<||cw>
I have a debian weezy and an ubuntu 10.04 (which is soon gone)
20:28
<_spk_>
||cw: if it's a non-default setting I'll have to talk to the guy who built the server but I can't see anything obvious right now.
20:28
the setting I'm looking at is
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ltsp-build-client.conf:#SYSLOG_HOST="xxx.xxx.xx.xx"
20:29
where the onfigured IP address is *not* the ltsp server
20:29
but it's a minor thing to just remove some noise
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<vagrantc>
that setting shouldn't be in ltsp-build-client.conf
20:31
<_spk_>
actually it's been commented out too.
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<||cw>
_spk_: did the client image get built after it was commented out?
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