IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 December 2016   (all times are UTC)

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15:56
<jonathan_>
Hi, i like implement a ltsp with 20 clients (raspberries) can tell me anything i need to know like: known issues, recommended versions... Thanks
15:58
<||cw>
will they all be pi3 ?
16:01
<jonathan_>
yes, pi3b but they have not yet been purchased
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16:22
<||cw>
you can enable PXE booting for pi3, which will make ongoing maintenance easier, and make it more of a standard LTSP setup. the only tricker is manually maintaining the kernels, I'm not sure if those are updated in kernel packages in a repo
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16:34
<alkisg>
!cheap-client
16:34
<ltsp>
cheap-client: http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html
16:35
<alkisg>
jonathan_: the best advice is not to use rpi's, but x86-based clients like the one above ^
16:35
rpi is not suitable for desktop, office, browsing and multimedia
16:35
It's fine for other tasks like programming and meteo stations
16:36
(actually, not programming, only for teaching programming... you can't compile serious projects with rpi)
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16:48
<alkisg>
!raspberrypi
16:48
<ltsp>
raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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17:18
<JerryT>
Hom can I restart ltsp-pnp fan clients?
17:19
*How
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18:06
<bennabiy>
I have had a funny situation happening when I take an ltsp-pnp generated image, extract it to a directory for a chroot, rebuild the image, it does not pick up the new image. It still boots the old image until I build a fat client image from scratch, and then move the chroot and such out of the way before I can get it to see that I have a different image, even if I force it to grab that image in dhcp etc
18:07
Not sure if that made a lick of sense, but it has been somewhat frustrating
18:09
Usually on the server, I get it mostly set up how I need it, but there is a lot of stuff which I could go crazy trying to pluck out, but could handle in a chroot environment to remove (like crontab entries, crypttab entries - selectively)
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18:57
<alkisg>
JerryT: normally, from the menus, either from the session or from ldm (login screen) or from epoptes
18:57
bennabiy: you can use lts.conf commands to remove stuff, like INIT_COMMAND_01="rm -rf /path/to/file"
18:58
bennabiy: it doesn't make sense that it uses the old file, yeah, so maybe you didn't restart nbd server?
18:58
<bennabiy>
alkisg: forced a reload, restarted etc, nothing worked until I built something with ltsp-build-client
18:58
even though I did not use the created chroot
18:59
<alkisg>
bennabiy: are you talking about nbd, nfs, or tftp (initramfs)?
18:59
How did you check that the new system was not loaded?
19:02
<bennabiy>
thin vs fat, ltsp default ldm screen vs custom one
19:02
nbd
19:03
<alkisg>
!nbd-client
19:03
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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19:03
<alkisg>
This is how to test if your nbd-server servers the correct image
19:03
I.e. run that command from any client, either a booted system or even from the initramfs
19:04
Did you re-use the old image name (i386.img) or did you use a new one (i386-modified.img)?
19:05
<bennabiy>
I restarted isc-dhcp-server tftpd-hpa nbd-server etc multiple times
19:05
when it worked?
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19:06
<alkisg>
I'm asking two things, (1) did you try to manually run nbd-client like I wrote above^?
19:06
And (2) ls /opt/ltsp/images, does that show one image or two?
19:06
<bennabiy>
it showed one image, and then when I updated the images it made a second image
19:06
I am not at the computer now
19:07
I just have noticed this happen twice now
19:07
I will test out what you suggested when it happens again
19:07
<alkisg>
If you are using two images, then you probably didn't configure them properly
19:07
<lucascastro>
Hello, days ago I've trying to use banana PI as thin client, but no success, ldm doesn't open up, I've started an shell then 'ssh -X' in server and called mate-session and worked fine.
19:08
is there some hint to debug why ldm isn't working?
19:08
<bennabiy>
alkisg: I have no problems having multiple images in /opt/ltsp/images and have been able to tell dhcp to issue one or the other just fine
19:08
!pi
19:08
<ltsp>
Error: "pi" is not a valid command.
19:08
<lucascastro>
from inside shell I've first called startx,
19:13
<alkisg>
bennabiy: run that nbd-client command when you have a chance, and we'll see if it's an nbd-server issue or not. I haven't seen any such issue all these years.
19:13
<bennabiy>
alkisg: will do
19:13
<alkisg>
lucascastro: do you have epoptes installed?
19:13
!epoptes
19:13
<ltsp>
epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
19:13
<alkisg>
Eh that bot sleeps :)
19:13
<lucascastro>
I have in another machine, that I was working on, I'm going to install it right now.
19:13
bennabiy, I've already deploy ltsp for raspberry with nfs chroot.
19:13
<alkisg>
lucascastro: so, I only have a little time, but if you manage to get access to the client via epoptes, ping me to have a look
19:13
<lucascastro>
ok
19:13
<alkisg>
Heh the bot woke up :D
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19:14
<bennabiy>
alkisg: quite the delay...
19:14
<alkisg>
ltsp.org is on a really really lame server... :-/
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19:26
<bennabiy>
alkisg: at least it is free, right?
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19:26
<bennabiy>
Of course, there are certain free things which I would not want...
19:26
<alkisg>
No idea, but we have access to a lot of better servers...
19:27
<bennabiy>
Who decides where it is hosted?
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19:27
<alkisg>
We haven't gone to great lengths of discussion about it:)
19:28
I'm guessing if we ping jammcq, he wouldn't object too much to move it...
19:28
But noone really really wants to spend time in doing the move
19:28
<bennabiy>
yes
19:28
understood
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19:32
<lucascastro>
ping alkisg
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19:38
<alkisg>
lucascastro: hey
19:38
!vnc-edide
19:38
<ltsp>
vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
19:38
<alkisg>
Do that ^
19:38
<lucascastro>
ok
19:40
done.
19:40
that's good.
19:41
the image I'm using is /opt/ltsp/stretch/bpi-stretch
19:42
<alkisg>
lucascastro: boot the client
19:42
<lucascastro>
reboot it right now
19:42
I'm using another vm to server dhcp settings
19:42
<alkisg>
OK
19:43
You do see the client in epoptes, right?
19:43
<lucascastro>
root password
19:43
123
19:44
<alkisg>
:)
19:44
I don't see the client though
19:44
Did you add epoptes-client in the chroot etc?
19:44
<lucascastro>
yes... and copied the certificate
19:46
<alkisg>
I don't see the client so I can't debug it
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19:46
<alkisg>
Can you run this as root on the client?
19:46
E.g. in screen_02=shell there?
19:46
EPOPTES_CLIENT_VERIFY_CERTIFICATE=False LTSP_FATCLIENT=True epoptes-client srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
19:46
This will connect the client to me so that I can debug
19:46
<lucascastro>
ok
19:46
<alkisg>
All in one line
19:47
<lucascastro>
from banana pi client client right?
19:47
<alkisg>
Yes
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19:49* alkisg hopes the client does have internet access...
19:49
<alkisg>
Otherwise run the same command but use 192.168.122.2 instead
19:53
epoptes didn't receive any connections at all
19:54
<lucascastro>
doing right now
19:54
I've confused
19:54
you said from shell and I was doing start an mate-session for that. but by the way, done
19:54
you received?
19:54
<alkisg>
Yup got it finally
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19:56
<lucascastro>
did you try to start ldm?
19:56
<alkisg>
I ran chvt 9
19:56
To activate screen 9
19:57
[ 834.812] (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
19:57
<lucascastro>
just line blink
19:57
<alkisg>
Xorg issues there
19:57
<lucascastro>
I was looking for how to set the xorg
19:57
<alkisg>
Is a xorg.conf needed?
19:57
<lucascastro>
but no issue?
19:57
but no result*
19:58
I don't know if it's needed
19:58
startx works
19:58
calling from shell, startx works
19:58
<alkisg>
is xterm running now?
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19:59
<lucascastro>
yes
19:59
<JerryT>
Any reason ltsp would be extremely slow and act like it's got a horrible refresh rate?
19:59
<lucascastro>
so if I connect "ssh -X" in ltsp server and call mate-session it works
19:59
<alkisg>
JerryT: thin or fat clients?
19:59
<JerryT>
I was fine on Friday. We could watch You Tube on a Fat Client at 1080p no problem.
19:59
Now we can't even scroll through a website.
20:00
Fat
20:00
ltsp-pnp
20:00
<alkisg>
JerryT: no, there shouldn't be any reasons for that behaviour
20:02
<JerryT>
Yah, it's very bizare. It's like on Friday before I left I broke hardware acceleration but I don't recall doing much. Was just playing with mate panels.
20:02
<alkisg>
Check the output of `getltscfg -a` on the client *root* shell
20:02
<lucascastro>
ok
20:02
me?
20:02
<alkisg>
lucascastro: no, JerryT...
20:02
<lucascastro>
ahah
20:02
<alkisg>
I'm trying to see why your xorg doesn't start
20:02
<lucascastro>
ij
20:03
ok
20:05
<alkisg>
lucascastro: I'll reboot the client, ok?
20:06
<lucascastro>
ok
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20:08
<lucascastro>
alkisg, just worked
20:08
<alkisg>
Nice
20:08
<lucascastro>
what was it the solution?
20:08
<alkisg>
So, bananapi breaks with color depth=16
20:08
So you need X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH=False in lts.conf
20:08
<lucascastro>
ok thanks.
20:08
<alkisg>
You're welcome
20:09
<lucascastro>
alkisg, do you have funding to working in free software?
20:09
<alkisg>
No
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20:09
<alkisg>
:(
20:10
<lucascastro>
so... really thank, that will help me very much
20:11
I hope write about banana pi and LTSP working together
20:12
<alkisg>
Do you have a large deployment of banana pis?
20:13
<lucascastro>
alkisg, not yet. But I want to deploy where I work, it's about 60 computers
20:14
I preparing to show to my manner, ltsp, banana pi and ovirt working together
20:14
<alkisg>
Why choose bananapi instead of a normal small pc like e.g. this one?
20:14
!cheap-client
20:14
<ltsp>
cheap-client: http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html
20:14
<lucascastro>
in Brazil is no so cheap, and I didn't find that over here .
20:15
<alkisg>
So it's a matter of price? I imagine that you could easily order from the internet, 60*60 euros = 3600... is that much more than banana pis?
20:16
<lucascastro>
Brazil taxes is about 90% including the shipping value
20:16
<alkisg>
And banana pis don't get taxes?
20:17
<lucascastro>
it gets, but I buy over here by 150 reais, 1 euros = 3.50 reais
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20:18
<lucascastro>
But I've mailed my friend requesting for prices take cheap-client to Brazil.
20:18
I did that the first time you mentioned
20:19
I'm gonna wait the reply, so if get a good prices I'll appreciate to use it
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20:21
<JerryT>
alkisg,
20:21
So I go CTRL+F1 and then login as root?
20:21
Then run that command?
20:21
<alkisg>
!screen_07
20:21
<ltsp>
Error: "screen_07" is not a valid command.
20:21
<alkisg>
!screen_02
20:21
<ltsp>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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<JerryT>
alkisg, I logged in, su to root and then ran it. Says the file is not found, /etc/lts.conf
20:25
<alkisg>
JerryT: is that on the client or on the serveR?
20:26
<JerryT>
client
20:27
<alkisg>
Do you have an lts.conf on the server, that the clients are supposed to read?
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20:33
<JerryT>
alkisg, yes
20:33
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
20:33
<alkisg>
They are not getting it though
20:33
Maybe wrong dhcp settings...
20:34
<JerryT>
Hrmm
20:34
what provides dhcp, dnsmasq?
20:36
<alkisg>
yes
20:37
Which distro/version is that?
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<JerryT>
Ubuntu 16.04.1
20:39
dhcp-boot=net:ltsp,/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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