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problems mounting nfs root using the dapper nfs server. Thin clients pause for a long time, eventually saying "cannot contact nfs server". Logging on the server indicates successful mount. Problems only on dapper, fine on debian sarge. no firewall rules, nothing in hosts.allow/deny. Where should I start looking ?
wizzy, rpcinfo both localy and towards theremoete host. and from both ends
The client is not up yet (/ not mounted) - what am I looking for on the server ? "rpcinfo -p localhost" on the server reports portmapper x2, nfs x6, nlockmgr x6, mountd x6, status x2
"rpcinfo -p client" says connection refused
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Can anyone recommend a 'Fedora 6'-specific how-to for installing LTSP? I have tried the Debian-based how-to and I think I got a little lost when translating the package requirements... ;)
have u checked the ltsp wiki lamaslany ?
I've tried to follow the LTSP Installation Guide by PaulVanGundy but the installation of the prerequsite packages is done using apt-get which I thought was a Debian package manager. Unfortunately I'm still quite new to linux and I was hoping to get a Fedora 6 how-to to ensure that I install the correct prerequsite packages...
There doesn't seem to be a direct translation of package names between the Debian-base and the RPM offerings.
I *could* just try any and all of the close matches but if there was already guidance then it seems silly not to utilise it! :)
Okay, okay, I'm just being lazy - but I'd still prefer to use a how-to from somebody who knows otherwise I might get it working but it not be optimal/secure.
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Sometimes ltsp-clients disconnect from X-server, why?
What you mean? Xserver is run on the client itself.
Yeah, but I mean that they disconnect from ltsp-server
Megant_: are there any logs?
kgoetz: Uhm, what logs?
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That has happened to me only when network disconnects.
Megant_: i'm asuming either the clients or servers are logging
where would clients log?
I guess that i found something from /var/log/messages
Gconfd got signal 15
or many gconfds
about 7 or 8 gconfds got signal at nearly same time
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Hello all from Spain
Hola a todos desde España
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lamaslany, apt exist for red hat fedora as well google for that ;-)
Thanks bip. Would this result in the need to manage two package databases?
it should not
well u might need to add some specala pat repositoreis
if u need some package not in maistream fedora repositories
i cannot be more precise because i m a debian user now ...
but trust me whan i was using fedora apt was the firt thing i installed into any freshly installed machine lamaslany
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lamaslany: As far as I know, in FC results that apt is an interface to rpm, like it's an interface to dpkg in Debian, so you maintain only one package list. But repositories list is another thing.
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Okay; thanks guys.
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Does somebody know or remember where does a workstation get its hostname from?
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Envite: depends on your boot method iirc
Envite: if you are using bootp then its generally set in the bootp config file
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Envite: for pxe boot there is a section of for that
Envite: you should be able to ready the getting started docs
Envite: which will include setting up a ltsp client
dhcp is not a boot method
dhcp also you get files and sets ip addresses
dhcp gives ip addresses and filenames
and tftp gives kernels
i would suspect you are probably using pxe as the boot method
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sorry: my laptop battery went out without advertising
Envite: np, pxe will use the dhcp server
Envite: but pxe is the actual boot method
Envite: so if you have a dhcp server configured then you would set the hostname in that config
ok, I'll see, thx
http://pastebot.ltsp.org does not seem to work
well, i fixed it
prpplague: thanks for your help
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anyone tried pxegrub to boot thin clients?
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What? You mean it's not 9am for everyone on the planet? Some people need to get their clocks fixed. ;-)
Okay, so is anyone running LTSP servers with 20-25 clients using a single PATA drive in the server?
There were messages on the K12LTSP list a few years ago from people who had major performance dropoffs when they got past 10 clients.
The consensus was that IDE didn't do well past 10 clients.
But now I've heard that 'some people' do run more than 10 clients with PATA.
a few years ago PATA drives were a lot slower ...
The IDE spec obviously hasn't stood still in the intervening years.
Right, 4500rpm instead of 7200rpm
and nowadays they have at least 8MB cache
So, is it safe to try to run a classroom server with 15-20 clients using PATA nowadays?
I'll be the answer is 'it depends'!
to be sure i'd use two PATA disks and software raid in striping mode ;)
Two drives breaks my budget :-(
...or perhaps not, now that I think about it.
The budget for the box is $600. For that I can get a standard box from a local vendor, with 1GB RAM and a PATA drive
It needs to support =<10 clients, which it should with no problem.
well, depends on your desktop ... 1G is quite small for KDE or gnome
mornin (afternoon/evening), all
Gadi: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 14 hours, 18 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <jammcq> some benidrill cream would help
Gadi: jammcq_laptop was last seen in #ltsp 6 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <jammcq_laptop> find it on your server, and copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/bin
But if the teacher wants to add more clients, I'd like it to be just a matter of adding hardware, not replacing
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ok, which one of you kidnapped jammcq?
pscheie, you need ~128M per client on the server for a gnome/KDE setup .... ~64M for xfce ... less for smaller desktops like openbox etc
pscheie: I still have a star next to your email to remind me to update that audiolist-alsa file ;)
perhaps it'll be my New Year's resolution
Gadi, what's the most number of clients you've run on a single PATA disk?
hmm... most of our clients have scsi boxes
specifically PATA or SATA in general?
Yeah, scsi would be nice, but it's more than my budget allows right now
hmm... even tougher question
which drivers are you using?
We got an HP Pavillion with SATA for a classroom pilot but while FC5 installs, it hangs at boot
SATA's another case where ubuntu's udev system cant make up its mind ;)
did you try edgy ?
pscheie: yeah, thats a driver issue
Not yet. I really wanted to stick with K12LTSP 5 just to make the install easier for the school techs
ogra: just 'zinging' you a bit, since i know ur listening ;)
We have a demo for the teachers tomorrow. We'll probably just use one of my test boxes for it.
nobody in ubuntu has gotten around to fixing the Adaptec Zero-channel raid bug I posted back in early dapper days (that persists in edgy)
It's got a PATA disk, and running eight clients w/Gnome was no problem.
well, we're looking for kernel devs, if you know someone ;)
somehow, there are 2 conflicting drivers for RAID, 2 for SATA, ....
cant we all just get along?
pscheie: on the working system, when you run lsmod, is it using ide_generic?
and ide-disk and such?
or is it using ata_piix and friends?
I can't remember, and I'm not a the box at the moment. ide_generic doesn't ring a bell though
I think it was ata_piix
does it come up as /dev/hda?
/dev/sda, at least in rescue mode.
That's the problem, it hangs when it says it's probing ide0
there ya go
We tried turning off all the PATA pieces in the bios, but the kernel still probes 'em
nah, you need to blacklist drivers
prolly similar in redhat
so, something I can pass to GRUB to test?
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or, alternatively, you can change grub to boot off of /dev/hda1
that should get you most of the way (tho, you prolly need to modify /etc/fstab as well)
see, the problem is the wrong driver gets loaded first on boot
so, the second driver (the correcct one) is told that the first one owns the device
but the first one created /dev/hda, while the second wants to create /dev/sda
and the second is the one that was used in the installer
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ah, that makes sense. Why does the installer figure it out but not the completed install?
heh, or vice versa
I have no idea
but its the same issues
linux rescue also figures it out.
ogra: yer back ?
recovered from all the travelling?
yep, busy builind the first feisty milestone CD
whats up with whiprush ?
whiprush seems to be wimprush
strange, what happened ? i just noticed that he vanished recently
(including blog and website)
he got pissed cuz things weren't working for him
I think he just had a bad day
i hope he comes back ... tell him he's missed
i'm asking him on jabber now
btw, i got a working lts.conf parser for the thin-client-configurator ready ... ;)
jammcq: hey hey
prpplague: hey dude
prpplague: where are you hiding these days?
jammcq: still in hell
jammcq: finally moving back on december 28th
jammcq: we ran into a small snag on donna's visa
oh? did you get it fixed?
jammcq: hopefully get that taken care of soon
moving to where? Dallas?
jammcq: one of the entry stamps in her passport is smudged, they can't read the dates, so they have to verify the info with DHS
jammcq: yea, back to big D
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Gadi: is ide_generic the PATA driver? that is, will blacklisting that stop it from grabbing the device?
I think the SATA driver is sata_nv
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pscheie: are there any IDE hard drives/CDROMs/other devices or only the PATA?
Gadi: There is a DVD/CD drive on the PATA, but we don't need that (aside from during install)
I *think* the tech tried disconnecting it
then, it is prolly safe to blacklist ide-disk and ide-generic
Ok, we'll try those. Thanks.
otherwise, you can try not blacklisting anything, and changing the devices in menu.lst and fstab
I think grub.conf points to (hd0,0)/dev/some-volume-group/some-logical-volume for /
and...I can't remember what fstab points to.
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i have trouble to get local drives to work with 4.2 and rdesktop
does it work at all?
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ogra: any idea how I can tell the kernel to not load a framebuffer?
as a commandline arg
no idea, really ... i can just guess
gadi, afai "nofb" is a boot option itself
not a video option to lilo
so append just nofb rather than "video=nofb"
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its not completely OT, I am trying to play with the video quality on a thin client booting from EdgyLTSP
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need help with thin client
the client it self is loading wierd
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how do i set up the users for thin client
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Hello all from Spain
Hola a todos desde España
Envite: buenas dias!
er... buenos dias .. or something :)
o buenas tardes ;)
it's evening here
how do i set up the users
mrlinux: what distro?
mrlinux: just create accounts for them on the server
give me example
mrlinux: probably use the GUI user interface, or adduser.
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vagrantc: how do you do that, put a comment in such that a * appears on the left instead of your id?
it's an action
uses IRC commands
done nvm i fix it
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so, is there a syntax for that, or is access to such irc commands a function of the irc client?
ah, i see
vagrantc, whats that strange split of update-inetd into a separate package in debian ?
pscheie: to type an irc command, simply put its name after a bar
like /join #ltsp
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i've never heard a slash called a bar before
interesting how names differ
a bar in the wind ...
hoping to find some time for ltsp over winter break, maybe starting next thursday
i've just got too much crap on my todo list
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why does firefox close when loading flash on a client
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hey, is there some specific ssh config needed for EdgyLTSP, because I can ltsp-update-sshkeys till Im blue in the face, and it still gives me the unknown host prompt when I attempt to ssh from the terminal shell
perhaps hostbasedauthentication or strictmodes or some such?
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maybe boats haste autrhentication
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ogra: it's so that multiple inetd's can all use the same program.
ogra: not that you have multiple inetd's installed at once... but they all have the same interface for updating inetd configurations.
ogra: are you.... merging our branches? :)
i'm just finishing the first milestone CD (thats all i managed after travelling half the world yet)
if thats released i'll start working on the branches and merges
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J45p3r: i got it running on the laptop
if i cana figger out ehat i did
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PMantis:you old dog..how is it going..ldaap being copacetic now?
So, *who* you calling a dog?
well i didnt specify whaat sort..
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how are things going with you?
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Hi Jim, you on-line?
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edgarin: buenas noches.
vagrantc, que tal como estas?
edgarin: esta bien. yo come enchiladas y vegetales verde por cena.
edgarin: vino rosa(rasado?), tambien.
vagrantc, si puedes decir rosado
edgarin: pero, hoy yo necesito buscar por trabahar... no me gusta.
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to help me regarding mouting of usb problems
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hello good evening
im building a diskless terminal, using debian, (NFS+dhcp+tftp)
everything fine, except for the message "init:5 respawing too fast"
"init no more process in this runlevel", then i couldnt login
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good evening sbartleylinux
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