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Channel log from 6 January 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<daya>
Hi channel,
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is there is any way to get the mo file for ldm,
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<daya>
ogra, can I localise ldm, is there is any way to get mo files for it,
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<johnny>
check bugs perhaps daya ?
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maybe or read the ML postings
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<daya>
johnny, hmm, perhaps you have told me it is not possible to get,
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mo for ldm
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<johnny>
i never said anything about mo
01:35
but you should check the bugs and list, it must have been discussed to localize it?
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<daya>
johnny, amm sorry,!
01:36
johnny, Ok i will check it,
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johnny, which ML are u talking about,
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<johnny>
one of the ltsp ones
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<daya>
johnny,/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/Debian/bg.png , is not appearing in ltsp clinet,
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johnny, I want to change the default background of ldm login screen
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<johnny>
don't use my name please, unless you're really trying to get my attention, or ar in discussion with somebody else?
02:36
i'm about to go to sleep, tis 4am :)
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<klausade>
vagrantc: 5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0 works fine so far. X came up after installing some extra fonts-packages.
11:44
<vagrantc>
klausade: extra fonts packages? could you document that on the wiki?
11:45
i've had mixed luck with X configuration for that version ... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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so i'm guessing it's hardware specific
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<klausade>
vagrantc: sure, but before i start working on the wiki, the x-log said "could not open default font 'fixed'" , so I added xfonts-utils xfonts-scalable xfonts-encodings xfonts-base xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi. don't know which did the trick.
11:47
<vagrantc>
my goals for ltsp in debian is to get a new ltspfs upload this week, and then work on backports for ltsp/ldm/ltspfs
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klausade: was xorg installed? xorg's dependencies should have pulled in most (if not all) of those?
11:50
hmm... and indirectly, xfonts-utils
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and xfonts-utils depends on xfonts-encodings
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and xorg is a dependency of ltsp-client ...
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<klausade>
vagrantc: yes, xorg was installed. the fault might be in how I run ltsp-build-client. I'll work more on it.
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<vagrantc>
the only way would be if ltsp-client didn't get installed
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ltsp-client-core doesn't depend on any of that
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<klausade>
vagrantc: that sound very plausible.
11:54
<vagrantc>
klausade: do you mess with --early-packages?
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<klausade>
vagrantc: no, i'm not using or messing with --early-packages, but probably with all the others :-)
11:56
<vagrantc>
klausade: well, --early-packages defaults to "--early-packages ltsp-client"
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unless there's an /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf ... or extra plugins
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<klausade>
vagrantc: I'll take it nice and slowly from the beginning again, now that I know that it does actually work.
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<vagrantc>
:)
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klausade: i'm pretty sure there are breakages in local device support, but everything else should be fine
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klausade: and those are easy to fix
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ogra: the URL for: https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/debian-main is broken
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ogra: should be http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main/
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<klausade>
vagrantc: why does ltsp-build-client barf at this: --mirror "http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" saying "E: No such script: etch"
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<vagrantc>
klausade: because that argument is passed to debootstrap
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klausade: what i'd recommend doing is: --mirror http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian --extra-mirror "http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian contrib non-free"
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er
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klausade: what i'd recommend doing is: --mirror http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian --extra-mirror "http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian etch contrib non-free"
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<klausade>
vagrantc: aah. i did notice that using --extra-mirror worked, i just found that strange..
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<vagrantc>
or ...
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klausade: yes, i'm not quite sure how to handle it properly the way you're suggesting...
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klausade: i've thought about it before
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klausade: could only grab the first part of the argument when passing to debootstrap, i guess
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<klausade>
vagrantc: not specifying any --mirror makes it use http://http.us.debian.org/debian, which is realy slow sometime.
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<vagrantc>
klausade: but then if you did something like: --mirror "http://foo/debian SOMEWEIRDDIST main contrib" you'd get unexpected behavior
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klausade: yeah. hard-coded to US. i guess that's just maintainer's privledge ... wanted to avoid ftp.debian.org because it's discouraged to use that one, even though it's the only country-independent mirror i know of (though it's actually in the US, i think)
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i guess we could check for WEIRDDIST != DIST
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hmmm...
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<klausade>
vagrantc: --mirror and --extra-mirror like you suggested works fine.
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<vagrantc>
klausade: and you can have multiple entries in --extra-mirror
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klausade: comma-separated ... --extra-mirror "http://foo/debian,http://bar/debian sid main contrib,http://baz/debian lenny main"
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it adds the DIST and COMPONENTS if needed
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<vagrantc>
gah.
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hrm.
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nautilus (and presumably gnome's desktop) show's a mount even if it's mounted with mount -n :(
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<aboo0ood>
hi everybody, i was reading in the Edubnutu handbook about the HW requirements for LTSP thin clients. and there was this statement : "For using the default, secure mode of LTSP, one needs to have a 233 MHz or better CPU.".. I want to ask what the secure mode of LTSP is ..
17:14
<johnny_>
encrypted connection between client and server
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<vagrantc>
it uses ssh X11 forwarding
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<johnny_>
via ssh
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17:21* vagrantc suspects 233MHz is not really going to perform well
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<PerfDave>
I've done X forwarding over SSH on a 233MHz Pentium II
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<vagrantc>
so have i
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seemed difficult to use
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too much lag
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<PerfDave>
It was tolerable for me.
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But, y'know, once I get using LTSP again I'll probably disable the SSH stuff.
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<vagrantc>
the LDM_DIRECTX option still uses ssh for login, so at least the passwords don't go in the clear
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<PerfDave>
Does remote audio & devices work with LDM_DIRECTX?
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<vagrantc>
and other features (sound, localdev) still for
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yes
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<PerfDave>
Good good.
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I'm not that bothered about sending passwords in the clear on a local network. The only people who could sniff them are the people with the root privs to install backdoored SSH daemons :)
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<vagrantc>
it still uses ssh for login, which means your sound variables work decent, and also for the localdev stuff
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there's no way to plug a laptop into your network?
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<PerfDave>
Not easily, no.
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Switch is up in the ceiling ducting.
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<vagrantc>
and the ethernet cables on all machines are soldered in?
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<PerfDave>
Terminals are strapped under a counter, with just the USB / PS2 / VGA connectors coming up to the keyboard & monitor
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Not soldered, but you'd need a screwdriver at least.
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<vagrantc>
sure sure :)
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<PerfDave>
Anyway, most of what we do just uses passwordless guest accounts
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<vagrantc>
ah, yes.
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i'd like to get LDM working such that guest accounts login insecurely, and known users login securely.
17:32
<johnny_>
nice ..
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i still want timed logins tho
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<vagrantc>
sure
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if i knew C a little better, i'd do it myself
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might try to stumble through it
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<PerfDave>
Given that it's possible to have a box with multiple video / soundcards, how easy would it be to have such a thing as an LTSP client? We might be able to save ourselves some hardware by having multiple users logging in on one client machine.
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<vagrantc>
PerfDave: it shouldn't be much more difficult than with a disked system, if using ltsp5
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<PerfDave>
vagrantc: *nods*. Something I'll look into. Though some software gets confused by multiple users on one machine, like knetworkmanager :/
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<vagrantc>
well, knetworkmanager doesn't run on the thin-client
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(typically)
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<PerfDave>
No, that was just an example ;)
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<johnny_>
PerfDave, at least next networkmanager will work at the system level :)
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and not session
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<vagrantc>
the only things running on the thin-client are basically LDM, ltspfsd, cdpinger, ssh ...
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not sure if ltspfsd's authentication supports multiple X sessions ...
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but i think so...
17:52* vagrantc tests
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<vagrantc>
well, localdev works with two LDM logins from the same thin-client
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<vagrantc>
they're using the same keyboard and mouse, but it shouldn't be much different if there's an X server for each keyboard/mouse combination
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shared sound might still be an issue
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<PerfDave>
*nods*
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<daya>
vagrantc, hi
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vagrantc, I am searching if I can localise the ldm,
18:01
vagrantc, Acutally it would be better if I can get the login prompt in client in my own language interface,
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<vagrantc>
daya: unfortunately, that it broken
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daya: well, broken at the login screen
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daya: you can still select a language
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<daya>
vagrantc, ye, I can do select the language, can't I put these settings in my own language, (such as change language, reboot etc)
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vagrantc, again I have one issue, I can chage the logo , but not the default backgroud color in clinet logon prompt,
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<vagrantc>
daya: what is the default background color?
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<daya>
vagrantc, I mean in the login prompt of the client machine,
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<vagrantc>
daya: unfortunately, the internationalization/localization support for LDM is broken. patches welcome.
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<daya>
vagrantc, the background image
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<vagrantc>
daya: what is the default background color?
18:10
what color?
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<daya>
vagrantc, no,no can't I put my own image, in the background
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<vagrantc>
daya: is the background showing up as white, no matter what you do? if so, it may be a bug in the backport.
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daya: patches welcome to fix that too.
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<daya>
vagrantc, :(, yes the background is white,
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vagrantc, edubuntu has its own in the background
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<vagrantc>
yes, and on debian sid, it is possible.
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for the etch backport, for some reason i don't understand, there seems to be a bug that causes the background image to get hidden.
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<daya>
vagrantc, yes it is shown for some instant
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<vagrantc>
daya: added a note to the wiki page.
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<daya>
vagrantc, ok ,isn't it possible i use ldm from that of ubuntu in etch , to solve this issue of backgrund image
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<vagrantc>
daya: it's a long standing request: http://bugs.debian.org/432708
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daya: i don't think it will help, but i can't stop you from trying
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daya: the same exact LDM package works fine on lenny
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daya: so it's a probablem from something other than LDM itself
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<daya>
vagrantc, oh
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<ari_stress>
morning everyone :)
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<aboo0ood>
hj everybody, i wonder if anyone has a good figure that depicts the topology of LTSP
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??
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<vagrantc>
aboo0ood: try http://ltsp.org ?
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<aboo0ood>
vagrantc, i got some figures
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<vagrantc>
there's a picture on the right, if that's what you're looking for
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<aboo0ood>
i am trying to find a good one to put in a report
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<vagrantc>
aboo0ood: you want numbers?
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<aboo0ood>
vagrantc, wut numbers ?
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<vagrantc>
aboo0ood: i don't really understand what you're looking for "figures" ?
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<aboo0ood>
i am writing a report about LTSP and i need some respectable figure to show the topology of LTSP
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<vagrantc>
what do you mean by "figure" ?
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<ari_stress>
aboo0ood: the edubuntu ltsp docs has some nice figures
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