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Channel log from 15 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<cyrenity>
hi all
00:05
am getting dhcp errors while boting my thinclienys
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<lns>
cyrenity, what's the error detail?
00:06
<cyrenity>
when thin client try to egt ip it says in logs
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localhost dhcpd: DHCPRELEASE of 0.0.0.0 from 00:01:03:06:18:90 via eth1 (not found)
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what this mean
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dhcp is out of lease
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or these are only 7 machines out of 30
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any idea those 7 thinclients cant get ip from dhvp
00:07
<lns>
what does it say on the client?
00:10
<sbalneav>
cyrenity: What Distro are you using on the server?
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<cyrenity>
its tries to get dhcp for a while and gives PXE boot error
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again it says press f1 to boot
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debain
00:11
my dhcp is on debain and ltsp is running on Ubuntu
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dhcp is seperate from ltsp machine
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any idea guys its really odd
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<lns>
cyrenity, it would help if you had the specific client boot error text.
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<cyrenity>
well how i get this
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am trying to get this from MAC
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wait
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hey what this error means by the way
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DHCPREALESE
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<lns>
cyrenity, that's not an error
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it means the dhcp server released the lease to the client
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<cyrenity>
hey
00:19
i try this
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tail -f /var/log/syslog |grep 00:30:4f:2f:ce:b3
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but no logs means the machine is not comming on network
00:19
righgt?
00:19
ok
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but that client is not picking ip any more
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<lns>
cyrenity, it would help if you had the specific client boot error text.
00:20
there are a few things that can go wrong with pxe
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the error will narrow it down so someone can help you
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<cyrenity>
true
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but u need thin clinet scrren errors
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or losg
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see i cant see any logs
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even i grep it tooo
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<lns>
the pxe boot process of the client yields many messages
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<cyrenity>
my ltsp box has last lines
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Aug 15 10:09:03 khi-ho-008 gconfd (riasat.zaman-26865): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/riasat.zaman/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 0
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<lns>
no
00:22
look on the thin client
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<cyrenity>
but see thin client is not getting ip
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<lns>
while its trying to boot
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<cyrenity>
thats the 1 stage and it fails on that
00:22
how it comes to ltsp w/o ip
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<sbalneav>
cyrenity: a paste from /var/log/daemon.log would have the dhcpd logs.
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<lns>
cyrenity, you *have* configured dhcp pxe boot options on your debian box right?
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I.E. next-server, root-path, etc.
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<cyrenity>
yes
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<lns>
i would assume so since most clients are booting
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<cyrenity>
see i have 40 clients
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only 7 are not working
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next-server 192.168.1.251;
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u wana see my dhcp file
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<lns>
what version of pxe is on the clients in question? are they all the same make/model?
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<cyrenity>
no
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well i think most of are same
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<sbalneav>
cyrenity: Do you have assigned addressing by mac address, or a dynamic pool?
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<cyrenity>
both
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<sbalneav>
grep dhcpd /var/log/daemon.log | tail -100, and your dhcpd.conf file, and paste to the pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<cyrenity>
see http://pastebin.com/m7d97d50b
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well no lines found with above command
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any idea
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<sbalneav>
I'd say it's a cabling problem.
00:31
I'm assuming these 7 that aren't working are going to fall under the dynamic range?
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<cyrenity>
but with same cable my laptop gets ip from dhcp
00:31
so what
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they get ip
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yesterday all were good
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hay did u note some thing in dhcp file
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<sbalneav>
So are they getting an ip or not?
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<cyrenity>
i have assigned static ips from dhcp range
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<sbalneav>
The only thing I noted about it is that it's a mess.
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<cyrenity>
they may conflict if static ones come late those ips will be assigned to thin clienst creates conflict
00:33
no they are not getting ips today
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true
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how i correct it
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<sbalneav>
What, that static ip's in the dynamic range?
00:34
Yeah, you've got a whole bunch overlapping.
00:35
You need to fix all that.
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<cyrenity>
hum ok
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<lns>
could be existing lease confusion
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<sbalneav>
Well, with the overlap, yeah.
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1) fix the file
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2) Clear out all the old leases in /var/lib/dhcp3
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3) restart your dhcpd server
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<cyrenity>
hey
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if i want to assign only one ip from pool
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range 192.168.1.155 192.168.1.155
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is that ok
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<rafaelfeito>
with gutsy (tribe 4 for example) the performance boosted will possibilit boot on 32MB thinclient?
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<sbalneav>
Yep, it'll boot on 32 megs
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<rafaelfeito>
really? without boot on >> minutes ?
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<sbalneav>
It should boot much faster, but it'll still do some network swapping.
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<rafaelfeito>
it'll or it do now? (tribe 4 was released)
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<sbalneav>
SHould do it now.
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<rafaelfeito>
ok, thanks (and sorry about questions). but for this machines, did you recommends ltsp 5?
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<sbalneav>
Well, *I* really like it, but then again: since I work on it, I may be biased :)
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<cyrenity>
helo
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sbalneav
01:01
any idea
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how i scan ips over network
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<sbalneav>
ping -b?
01:02
arp -a?
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there's lots of ways.
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<lns>
nmap
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<sbalneav>
for i = 1 to 255: ping 192.168.1.$i; next
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etx
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etc
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<rafaelfeito>
for one second I thought that etx is a command :P
01:14
is there a way to get more closely to work, or anyway to help?
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<sbalneav>
Which, help with ltsp?
01:18
<rafaelfeito>
doing something for project, for example
01:19
<sbalneav>
We always need people to idle in #ltsp-br and help answer questions there.
01:20
We have a lot of brazillian users
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<rafaelfeito>
rigth
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<cyrenity>
sbalneav
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see new file http://pastebin.com/m6f519b8a
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is that ok
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<sbalneav>
yikes
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Dude, you need to clean up your network.
01:23
I dunno, try it. I'm not gonna proofread your dhcpd file line by line :)
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<rafaelfeito>
nothing technical? none for some (cs) students for example? :)
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<sbalneav>
https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
01:24
There's my code branch. You're always welcome to look through it, and make suggestions.
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<cyrenity>
sbalneav
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i have corrected the dhcp file
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<sbalneav>
Yep, you showed me.
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<cyrenity>
now
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<sbalneav>
And?
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<cyrenity>
when i reboot thin client
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on see logs for dhcp
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Aug 15 11:42:57 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.222 (192.168.1.254) from 00:b0:d0:5e:26:2f via eth1
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Aug 15 11:42:57 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.1.222 to 00:b0:d0:5e:26:2f via eth1
01:48
it seems thin clinet request for ip
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but
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it wont get this and gives PXE boot error
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<sbalneav>
Did you clean out all the lease files?
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<cyrenity>
is taht thinclient wont get the next server ip
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192.168.1.251
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yes
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<cyrenity>
b/c users are complaining abt slow lessness in thinclinets
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<sbalneav>
Users are complaining things are slow?
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<cyrenity>
yes
01:53
things are slow
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<sbalneav>
Have you looked at your network switch? Is there a larger than normal traffic load? I still think you've either got a cabling problem, or a beakoning network card.
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<cyrenity>
i wont see any bad logs for FAT server
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how i make confirm this
01:54
but see thats same thin client has windows on it and thats working fine
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that windows can access network
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<sbalneav>
Does the windows boot over the network? or from a hard disk?
01:56
<cyrenity>
hard disk
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<sbalneav>
ok, well think about it.
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<cyrenity>
let me chceck my switch wait
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<sbalneav>
If you've got a network problem, something that works MOSTLY off a hard disk's going to fare better than a thin client which relies TOTALLY on the network.
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<cyrenity>
is there any way to check my switch or network trafic
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ethereal should work?
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<sbalneav>
Depends on your switch.
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<cyrenity>
actually i have very bad switches here DLINK
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<sbalneav>
If it's a smart switch, use the tools provided with it.
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<cyrenity>
no
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my switches are flat 2 layer
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<sbalneav>
Then try substituting a different switch.
01:58
You've got spares, right?
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Anyway, it's like, 2 am here. I'm tired.
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I'm going to head to bed.
02:01
Good night, all
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<cyrenity>
hey
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sbalneav
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u there
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lns
02:11
u there
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<Jenna>
hey all
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is k12ltsp 5 support been dropped (thru yum i.e) and by support I mean patches only
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<jammcq>
Jenna: you'd best ask that question on the k12osn mailing list. there's no k12ltsp developers hanging around here much.
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<ogra>
are there k12 developers at all ? (apart from eric who doesnt have time)
06:30
<jammcq>
ummm, interesting question
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g'morning ogra
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<ogra>
hey jammcq
06:30
sbalneav broke his tree and went on holiday :(
06:31* ogra curses about autoconf
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<ogra>
i need to make that build somehow before tomorrow afternoon, sigh
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<jammcq>
he's on holiday?
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<ogra>
he ended his mail with "I'm off to a cabin with the wife and kids for a couple of days"
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<jammcq>
oh jeez
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<ogra>
i bet there are a lot of nifty new features in ldm2 ...
06:32
i'f i only could test them :P
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<jammcq>
hmm
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I wonder if he's actually left yet. he was hanging around here pretty late last night
06:33
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "scotts checklist" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/274
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<ogra>
something added calls to m4 macrosw in the autoconf run ...
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<jammcq>
#8) break the build. check
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<ogra>
and i have no idea where they came from ...
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haha
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well, i'll get it done somehow, i'm sure
06:34
for the weekend we should have a new and shiny ltsp :)
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<jammcq>
:)
06:34
nice
06:35
did you see the Linux format interview ?
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<ogra>
i didnt manage the ltspfs hal integration ... somehow time got to short again
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<highvoltage>
jammcq: link?
06:35
<jammcq>
highvoltage: umm, I can give you a link to the cover page
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<ogra>
and francis brought a ton of new stuff in with his contributions
06:35
jammcq, nope, who was interviewed ? you ?
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<jammcq>
http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=NewArchives&issue=95
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ogra: yep, but it was last august that I did the interview, so the info is a bit outdated
06:36
I talked alot about the work we're hoping to do at our hackfest in september
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<ogra>
ah, ccol
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*cool
06:37* ogra gets nostalgic feelings :)
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<jammcq>
I'm headed to the office. see ya'll later
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
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<ogra>
Gadi, pongie ...
09:00
<Gadi>
hey - I put a feistyLTSP box into production, and I found a buggie that I want to confirm with you (maybe you've seen it, too)
09:01
<ogra>
tell me
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<Gadi>
when users log out, there are certain processes that don't die (consistently), namely: bonobo-activation-server and evolution-data-server-1.10
09:02
perhaps they ignore the kill -1 $PPID?
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in any event, it leads to session instabilities
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<ogra>
no there is a bug in the currently shipped ldm
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on next login oyu men
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*mean ?
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<Gadi>
no, I mean, after the user logs out, they will still have those 2 processes running
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and the next time they login, certain gnome programs get a bit screwed up because bonobo server has 2 instances
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<ogra>
right
09:04
thats fixed in scotts brach (which doesnt build and thus might miss feature freeze)
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<Gadi>
do you think a kill -9 instead of kill -1 would do the trick?
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or is the kill not even getting executed?
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<ogra>
no
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<Gadi>
what was the fix?
09:05
do you recall?
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<ogra>
the kill is only for the parent ssh session ... the ending of the user session happens in the C code
09:05
<joebaker>
Jammacq's face ois on the cover of Linux Format Magazine !!!!
09:05
<ogra>
i think there was one change that had a sigkill added somewhere in the C code ... but thats two weeks ago, cant remember exactly
09:05
<Gadi>
do you remember how it was fixed? I can port it to the feisty python code for now
09:06
<ogra>
oh, wait, feisty ?
09:06
<Gadi>
yeah
09:06
this is a feisty box
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<ogra>
try disabling desktop sounds
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<Gadi>
really?
09:06
<ogra>
esd might play tricks to you
09:07
<Gadi>
and keep bonobo running?
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<ogra>
well, that only disables login and logout sound
09:07
bobobo should die then
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<Gadi>
weird
09:07
ill try that - thx
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<ogra>
in gutsy esd is dead in ubuntu ;)
09:08
no problems anymore :)
09:08
<Gadi>
:)
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<Guaraldo>
good mornning
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<joris_>
hi Guaraldo
10:06
<exodos>
Gadi: have you tried to disable desktop sounds? did it fix the problem?
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<Gadi>
exodos: I disabled the sounds, but I'mnot onsite atm, so I will have to wait for the users to log in to determine
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(most have already logged in. i need to wait for a latecomer ;) )
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<exodos>
i can test it also, just have to know where can i disable it...
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<Gadi>
ah, I did it in gconf-editor to make it system-wide
10:08
but you can try it for a single user
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System > Preferences > Sound
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<exodos>
ok
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didn't work for me; bonobo-activation-server, evolution-data-server-1.10 and gconfd-2 keeps stays
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*keeps running
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<Gadi>
exodus: did you kill them off and start clean before doing the test?
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<exodos>
yes
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i found this bug some time ago, but I still don't know what is causing it
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<exodos>
is lts.conf under tftp supported on LTSP 5.0.22 (latest gutsy)?
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<ogra>
yes
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<exodos>
if so which program do download it?
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<ogra>
a tftp-hpa
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-a
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<exodos>
ok but where is it run from?
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<ogra>
initramfs
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the ltsp-nbd script iirc
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<exodos>
thx
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<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "tftp initramfs code" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/275
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<ogra>
see the paste
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<rafaelfeito>
tftp-hpa is better than atftp?
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<ogra>
rafaelfeito, its what we have there anyway
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(its in the ubuntu and debian base installs, so there is no point in using and maintaining anything extra)
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<exodos>
ogra: where can i find a intramfs-tools' hooks for genrating ltsp initramfs?
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<ogra>
if you want to implement ltsp5 in another distro its up to you to use which tftp you like ;) debian and ubuntu devs decided to use whats producing least work for us
11:08
exodos, its in the client chroot ...
11:08
its part of the ltsp-client (in gutsy ltsp-client-core) package
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<Gadi>
hmm... now I have users with session freezes...
11:09
all is not happy in feisty land
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<ogra>
are you sure there is no esd running at all anymore ?
11:11
<Gadi>
yup
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<ogra>
no esd socket in /tmp ?
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<Gadi>
I added an Xsession.d script for now that pkills the user's bonobo and evolution processes
11:11
ah, that there is
11:11
<ogra>
ugly but works indeed
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<Gadi>
should I remove /tmp/.esd/socket?
11:12
<ogra>
who owns it ?
11:12
<exodos>
its on client or server?
11:12
<Gadi>
root
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(on server)
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<ogra>
intresting ... where does that come from ?
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<Gadi>
it may be a remnant
11:12
they used to be dapper+4.2
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i will remove it
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<ogra>
(esd in ubuntu is patched to use per user sockets ... /tmp/.esd/ shouldnt even exist since esd isnt run as root by anything)
11:13
ugh dapper+4.2 ?
11:13* ogra hopes Gadi did the upgrade right then
11:14
<Gadi>
:)
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<ogra>
i.e. never ever use apt ...
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<Gadi>
client side is immaculate
11:14
:)
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<exodos>
i dont have this socket but bonobo keeps running for me
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<ogra>
and make sure to not skip releases while dist-upgrading
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<exodos>
after logout
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<Gadi>
ogra: I am no noob to the ubuntu way ;)
11:15
I got innoculated years ago
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<ogra>
Gadi, sorry ...
11:15
its just that many people trash theoir system by using apt for dist upgrades instead of using the upgrade tools
11:15
<Gadi>
:)
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<ogra>
and that leaves a lot of crap behind that could even cause such bugs
11:15
<Gadi>
nah, I have used apt and come out unscathed
11:16
you just need to be a bit more attuned to what you're doing
11:16
<ogra>
not really
11:16
apt- doesnt remove stuff
11:16
<Gadi>
how so?
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<ogra>
dwe write everywhere in any doc sincee dgy to not use apt because of teh sideffects ;)
11:17
*edgy
11:17
thats why update-manager exists
11:17
<Gadi>
yeah, but then there's the "don't upgrade gdm while in the GUI" type bugs
11:17
:)
11:18
<ogra>
???
11:18
gdm doesnt care
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<Gadi>
well, maybe we'll see if update-manager has anything to say about the current state of affairs
11:19
<ogra>
it has a mechanism to not restart if a session is running
11:19
<Gadi>
right - but I remember there being bugs about "don't dist-upgrade from the gui"
11:19
cant remember what and when and why
11:20
prolly resolved by now
11:20
<ogra>
update-manager has a commandline tool as well ...
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(since edgy i think)
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<Gadi>
ah - this i didnt know
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<ogra>
(if not its in edgy-upgrades for sure)
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<Gadi>
well, system appears healthy
11:25
<ogra>
apparently not, since you have hanging processes i dont have on a fresh install ...
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<Gadi>
well, we have different users running different things, perhaps
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<ogra>
might be
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<LTSP>
Hi everyone, I wanted to confirm something... I was running through a client on my LTSP server and it seemed to be getting bogged down, so I checked what was might be running and and saw "ssh: user@notty" taking up 3% of the server cpu, I pinged "notty" since I didn't recognize it and it showed an active external ISP address... so I killed the process which knocked down the client (so I guessed it was the client). So is "notty" is
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<Gadi>
LTSP: notty = "no tty"
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sshd is telling you it has a connection to it with no tty attached
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you should have one of these for each user
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i dont know how you got an external IP for notty
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:)
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<jammcq>
hey Gadi
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<Gadi>
jammcq: made it back ok?
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<jammcq>
yeah, pretty much
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it was great to stop by your office, and see the operation
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<Gadi>
how were the falls holding up?
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<jammcq>
still falling
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<Gadi>
twas great to have you
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and the servers?
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aer they up?
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<jammcq>
yep
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<Gadi>
sweet
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<Blinny>
jammcq: Regarding that 1225e DHCP problem, after unplugging the power brick & plugging back in it booted OK.
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<jammcq>
cool
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interesting problem
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<Blinny>
Cool in a temporary fix kind of way
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<Gadi>
sounds like a BIOS CMOS coruption
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er, corruption
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pperhaps
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<Blinny>
Another cool thing is turning off & back on quickly (without waiting say, 5 seconds) will often cause a kernel panic on boot.
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<Gadi>
persistent problems that are fixed with replugging in the brick tend to be bios/battery related
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<Blinny>
Gadi: Then this thing doesn't have a CMOS battery?
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<Gadi>
naw, it prolly does
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but either the battery needs replacing
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(it does happen)
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or the CMOS needs to be reset
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<jammcq>
it's a brand new thin client
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<Blinny>
*Nod*
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<Gadi>
brand new clients can be shipped with bad batteries
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<jammcq>
at this point, just watch it and see if you notice a pattern of failures
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Gadi: umm, not the ones we sell :)
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<Gadi>
:)
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<Blinny>
heh
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<Gadi>
no doubt
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<Blinny>
Gotchya.
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<LTSP>
Gadi - thanks! I thought it was odd it was translated to an external IP too (and hence my concern for a potential security problem..). :)
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<Blinny>
In 4.2 is there a standard method for specifying default (networked) printers for different workstations?
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<NickBoy>
hello
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<Blinny>
Ah
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<NickBoy>
hey
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<Blinny>
Wait. I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that evince is not respecting the lpoptions setting I'm doing
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<NickBoy>
pretty crowded in here
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<Blinny>
The rest fo the programs are.
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:s;fo;of
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<Gadi>
Blinny: typically users have default printers not workstations. There is no canned way of mapping workstations to printers, but usually you can solve this with a login script (say, in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/) that maps the workstation ip/hostname to a print queue and sets the PRINTER env variable)
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<Blinny>
Gadi: Right now I'm doing so in /etc/profile.d/scriptname
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<Gadi>
ah
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<Blinny>
Like this:
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ws=$(echo $LTSP_CLIENT|cut -d. -f1)
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case $ws in
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ws0-007 ) lpoptions -d {PRINTERNAME} ;;
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That kind of thing
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(apologies for the pasting)
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<Gadi>
right
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<Blinny>
Is that an inelegant solution?
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<Gadi>
looks nice to me
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<Blinny>
Seems like everything else respects it except evince
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<Gadi>
in 4.2 there was no LTSP_CLIENT env var
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<Blinny>
This is k12ltspv6 (based on 4.2) and I have that var available
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<Gadi>
well, there's always acroread
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:)
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<Blinny>
*shudder*
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There's always Vista too ;)
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<Gadi>
interesting - i thought that var crept in in v5
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<Blinny>
but the day I go with one is the day I go with the other
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Eric may have backported that in somewheres.
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<Gadi>
there's always xpdf
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:P
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<Blinny>
Hrm. Looks like a bug in libgnomeprint
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I guess Thunderbird & Firefox don't use that then.
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+source/libgnomeprint/+bug/34112
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<NickBoy>
hey my client wont connect to my server ...it says OS no found ....BTW am quite a noob in this subject
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<NickBoy>
i cant see if pxe is starting
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ive got a new eth card from realtek
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and ive installed my server with the k12ltsp discs
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fedora core 6
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my client is a p2 300 with 128mb ram and no hard drive
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<Blinny>
NickBoy: Does the eth card allow for network booting? You'll see this in your BIOS in 'boot devices' or 'boot priority'
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<NickBoy>
my laptop wil boot the pxe rom but the server couldnt detect my eth card because it was an sis onboard card
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the kernel couldnt detect
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so i know the server is working but why give the client this error OS not found
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ive selected in the bios that it wil boot to network
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what am i doing wrong?
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<Blinny>
NickBoy: Let me make sure I understand you correctly.
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<NickBoy>
k
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<Blinny>
NickBoy: You have a laptop that boots from the server over the network correctly, and using PXE.
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<NickBoy>
yes
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but the linux kernel couldnt detect my network card
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so it stopped half way loading the kernel
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<Blinny>
Okay. You also have a desktop, however when you plug it using the same network plug as the laptop, it says 'OS not found' ?
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<NickBoy>
yes
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<Blinny>
Does it _try_ to boot from the network? (IE, show a little DHCP business?)
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<NickBoy>
no not at all
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<Blinny>
That sounds like a NIC/BIOS issue.
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Either the NIC doesn't support remote booting, or the BIOS is misconfigured.
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<NickBoy>
strange ive configured the bios correctly
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i wil check it
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brb
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<Blinny>
NickBoy: With some BIOSes with onboard NICs you need to set them to 'On w/ MBA' instead of just 'On'
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<NickBoy>
i dont have an onboard nic
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just a pci card
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<Blinny>
Well, whatever you have the problem is in either your NIC or your BIOS configuration.
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<NickBoy>
ive configured my bios correctly
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and it is a new nic card
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really strange
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i dont have a hdd in the client but that shouldnt matter does it?
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<Blinny>
No.
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But a new NIC doesn't guarantee a bootable NIC
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<NickBoy>
how can i find out
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<Blinny>
(as most people will never use that capability, it is rarely included in the capabilities)
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Google is your friend. :)
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<NickBoy>
ah ok
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<Blinny>
Also, looking up the specs of the card, or reading the manual.
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<NickBoy>
if not i must install pxe manualy
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i will check if my card has pxe rom
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<NickBoy>
i think it hasnt a pxe rom installed ....i cant see it anywere in the manual or on internet
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so i must make a pxe rom boot floppydisk ..but can i also make a pxe boot cd disk?
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<NickBoy>
and how ...because this is the reason that i bought a new nic to prevent to install a pxe rom because i dont know how
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ive googled arround but cant find out how to make a pxe rom boot cd
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<cliebow>
NickBoy, why not just use etherboot
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<NickBoy>
is that easier
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is there a howto to make a etherboot bootdisk
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<NickBoy>
http://rom-o-matic.net/ found this site and a made an etherboot rom on an .iso file to burn to cd ....hopefully it works
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what are the consuquences when ive downloaded and installed the wrong rom ???
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for a different kind of chipset?
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<cliebow>
prob an rtl8139 huh?
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<NickBoy>
yes ive chosen that one
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now my pc wont boot to my disk
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bootdisk is okay check it with virtual pcc
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van de regen in de drup :P
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<cliebow>
you can get the pci id if necessary to be sure..i never used an iso..alwaysa used the floppy image (or lzrom)
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<NickBoy>
iso works
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<cliebow>
got it then?
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<NickBoy>
yes ive burnend it and it works but my client pc wont boot it from cd
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but i wil find out why
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<cliebow>
etherboot rocks..
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<NickBoy>
k thx
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<cliebow>
good luck
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<NickBoy>
thx man
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<cliebow>
np
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<Gadi>
NickBoy: try this: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/eb_pci.iso?modtime=1152098919&big_mirror=0
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burn the iso to cd
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and boot off cdrom
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<NickBoy>
think ive got it already thx anyway i need to fix my cdrom
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first so i can boot
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<Gadi>
ah, k
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<cliebow>
hi Gadi,,,btw 8~)
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<Gadi>
cliebow: hey
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funny not to see a bunch of underscores after ur nick ;)
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<cliebow>
guess there is just one of me today
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i had benn leaving one on at home so i eouldnt miss Any words of wisdom..
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but i just moved the lappy to gutsy..so lugged it in today
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<Gadi>
ah
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<bricode>
Is there a handy writeup on local apps somewhere?
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<K_O-Gnom>
i try to start tftp over xinetd but it wont start so i got a tftp timeout ..can somebody help me?
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<Gadi>
did you restart the xinetd service?
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<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: yes i did .. dont work ..
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<Gadi>
K_O-Gnom: can you pastebot your xinetd.d/ file?
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!pastebot
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Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: you mean my tftp file in /etc/xinetd.d/
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<Gadi>
yup
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<K_O-Gnom>
mom
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http://phpfi.com/256493
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<Gadi>
does /tftpboot exist?
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if you are on debian/ubuntu, that probably needs to change to: /var/lib/tftpboot
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<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: yes when i start in.tftp manually the WS boots.
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Gadi: im on gentoo
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<Gadi>
ah, which tftp server are you using?
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<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: in.tftp
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<Gadi>
that is the name of the executable
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<K_O-Gnom>
don't know how that tftp is called
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<Gadi>
do you know if it is tftpd-hpa or atftpd
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or some other pkg
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perhaps you are using a tftp server that cannot be run out of xinetd
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<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: dont know configured it with this howto http://gentoo-wiki.com/LTSP_Server#sys-apps.2Fxinetd
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<Gadi>
did you: emerge tftp-hpa
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<K_O-Gnom>
no not manually but i think its in the ebuild of ltsp because its merged ..
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<Gadi>
ah, hmm...
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do you know how to check what packages are installed?
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er, emerged
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;)
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<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: if i know the name yes :-) if emerge whant to rebuild it its merged :-)
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<Gadi>
heh
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so, try to emerge tftp-hpa
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<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: i tryed it and its merged look above
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<Gadi>
ah
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right
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<opapo>
If I have a 32 bit server can I have ppc clients with ltsp?
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<Gadi>
opapo: you need a ppc chroot and the proper network bootloader
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but, it can be done
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<opapo>
Gadi: are there instructions somewhere?
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I am using Ubuntu/Edubuntu
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<Gadi>
hmm... I dont know of one offhand -> are you wanting to boot MACs?
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<opapo>
I work in a school district and we want to use our old MACs a little longer
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<Gadi>
do you have any MACs that you can install ubuntu on (just one)?
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<opapo>
If I had a server trying to serve 40ish power pc MACs I would want a 32 bit or 64 bit server
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Gadi: I have Ubuntu on 3 ppc macs
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<Gadi>
ah, great
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the basic steps, i believe, would be:
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install ltsp-server-standalone on one of those ppc macs
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<opapo>
did that
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<Gadi>
ltsp-build-client
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<opapo>
did that
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how do I get that to a 32 bit server?
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<Gadi>
then, you can take that chroot, tar it up, and transfer to the 32 bit server
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and put it in /opt/ltsp/ppc
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<opapo>
good to know
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Thanks
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<Gadi>
then, you will need yaboot
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on the server
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and edit your dhcpd.conf to use yaboot for the ppc client
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er, clients
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<Gadi>
that is the trickier part, I imagine
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i dont have direct experience with the yaboot part, but you can glean a lot from what K12LTSP has done
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<opapo>
You have been very helpful
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Thank you
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<Gadi>
np
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good luck
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<ByPasS>
I'm trying to add a specific xf86config for certain thinclients using XF86CONFIG_FILE in lts.conf but on boot I get an error, it seems it cant find the specified file
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any1 using that directive ? from the edubuntu handbook it says to put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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tried it along with /opt/../etc/X11 and still no luch
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luck*
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<K_O-Gnom>
good night
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<cliebow>
jimmy!!
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<jammcq>
hey chuckster
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<ByPasS>
any1 using the XF86CONFIG_FILE directive in their lts.conf ?
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<cliebow>
Nice to see you...you beento n.y.
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?
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<jammcq>
last week
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I was in NYC for a couple of days
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<cliebow>
trhat's great.i saw you'd been in to ssee Gadi..
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Scottie is smopkin!!
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<jammcq>
yeah, stopped by his office
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<cliebow>
im just balls to the wall reimaging our stuff.
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