IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 February 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<Ryan52>
no.
00:00
it should only be on the server.
00:01
<johnny>
Ryan52, .. well.. if you'ore using local apps.. that might be useful .. :)
00:01
<kaos01>
oh i was just trying to identify where the problem might be ...
00:01
though it might get first mounted on the client than somehow "exported"
00:02
<Ryan52>
johnny, current trunk has some code to make that work, I think. tho it doesn't work, I think. :P
00:02
<johnny>
Ryan52, it'd be nice to get the dbus thing going between the client and server
00:02
i'd like to see the next hackfest focus on that , if it isn't done by then
00:03
<kaos01>
i get a directory like so drwx------ 4 root mkovacs3 4096 2009-02-16 17:00 /media/mkovacs3/
00:03
<johnny>
would make all sorts of fun stuff easier..
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<Ryan52>
kaos01: hmm. try "sudo chown /media/mkovacs3/" and look again.
00:03
err.
00:04
<kaos01>
chgrp
00:04
<Ryan52>
"sudo chown mkovacs3 /media/mkovacs3/"
00:04
no.
00:04
group has no permissions..
00:04
so that would do nothing.
00:04
johnny, hmm. does kde use dbus?
00:04
<johnny>
sure
00:04
<kaos01>
YAY it works :)
00:04
<johnny>
but the important thing.. is that X uses dbus..
00:04
<kaos01>
if i change permissions
00:05* Ryan52 doesn't understand dbus yet :P
00:05
<johnny>
Ryan52, dude.. you should get to work on that
00:05
Ryan52, i'm not an expert, but i'd be willing to help you on that adventure, as soon as you want to take it
00:05
<kaos01>
so now i guess i need to ask, why are the permissions wrong :)
00:06
<johnny>
Ryan52, i also have an application for you, that will help you understand it
00:06
<Ryan52>
johnny, ok...where?
00:06
<johnny>
altho perhaps there is something better now, it's been awhile
00:06
https://fedorahosted.org/d-feet/
00:06
<Ryan52>
kaos01, not sure...what version of fedora are you using? are you using the live images? are you up to date?
00:06
and is your chroot up to date?
00:07
<johnny>
Ryan52, when you use a crochety distro like debian.. you were never forced to learn it :)
00:07
<kaos01>
haha
00:07
<johnny>
altho.. as more apps start using it..it is going to be required knowledge in the long run
00:08
<Ryan52>
johnny: ya, that's the good part. :P
00:08
<kaos01>
i need to see if chroot is upto date, everything else shoudl be
00:09
<johnny>
Ryan52, but dbus isn't just nice for applications.. it's also nice for any advanced users
00:09
as it makes a number of things easier
00:09
in tweaking out your system
00:10
Ryan52, some people have even implemented a scripting language on top of it
00:10
so you can write a script like this
00:11
tell banshee's engine to play SomeFile
00:11
<kaos01>
when im in chroot sometimes i cannot unmount /proc is there a way around that ?
00:12
<johnny>
perhaps cuz you did not exit the chroot ?
00:12
<Ryan52>
cannot isn't very specific...:)
00:12
<johnny>
before attempting to unmount
00:13
<kaos01>
thought the procedura was chroot -> mount proc -> do some work ->umount proc -> exit chroot
00:13
<johnny>
no
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<Ryan52>
mount proc -> chroot -> do stuff -> exit -> unmount
00:13
<kaos01>
ok
00:14
<Ryan52>
haven't they made a script to do that by now?
00:14
<johnny>
Ryan52, so.. that d-feet application will let you browse around to see what services are offered by your computer
00:14
and you can poke and prod them
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<johnny>
or twiddle them in any shell script via the dbus-send application
00:15
Ryan52, you'll see the kinds of things that are tweakable in a hopefully a less DE and distro specific eway
00:16
Ryan52, also.. dbus-monitor is kind of fun.. to see what's going on in the background of your distro :)
00:16
Ryan52, as you can see.. kde adopted networkmanager, that is heavily reliant on dbus in many levels
00:17
Ryan52, watching dbus-monitor.. is kind of like an orchestra :)
00:18
<Ryan52>
hmm. it's kinda like watching "tail -F /dev/null" for me. :P
00:18
<johnny>
lol
00:19
signal sender=:1.124 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gnome/Rhythmbox/Player; interface=org.gnome.Rhythmbox.Player; member=elapsedChanged
00:19
that's what i'm seeing happen every second..
00:20
i also see one when my im client contacts change status
00:21
and one when the song changes.. which then updates my IM client (via dbus)
00:21
Ryan52, you would see one if you changed networks with knetworkmanager
00:21
or plugged in any hardware..
00:25
Ryan52, but if you look in d-feet, you should see the services that your software offers
00:25
including xorg
00:25
<Ryan52>
ya.
00:25
<johnny>
it's pretty sweet
00:25
<Ryan52>
mpd is running on my system? :P
00:27
<johnny>
Ryan52, log into a gnome box..i wonder how much difference you'll see..
00:28
<Ryan52>
I don't own a gnome box...lemme try my kde system.
00:29
<johnny>
Ryan52, you won't really find dbus on servers.. yet
00:29
Ryan52, altho if you noticed.. dhcpd and dnsmasq both can work with dbus now
00:30
so you can script em out much more nicely as the interfaces become more developed
00:42
<Ryan52>
so when a new song starts playing, mpd sends out an event on the bus, and any app can react to that, right?
00:46* alkisg wonders why programs like `finger` or `chfn` do not support utf-8... Holy monsters that noone wants to update?
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01:17
<johnny>
alkisg, i've yet to need them
01:17
Ryan52, sure
01:17
alkisg, in 8 years
01:18
<alkisg>
johnny: I wanted to be able to change a user name (the comment in passwd) from a script... Fortunately usermod supports utf8.
01:18
<Ryan52>
cool. now if only there was a POE::Component::DBus...:)
01:18
<johnny>
Ryan52, there should be perl bindings already
01:18
<Ryan52>
yes, but not poe.
01:18
<johnny>
just not wrapped up in a POE perhaps
01:18
i'm not really a perl person
01:19
Ryan52, the one perl project i am watching atm.. is a transport for xmpp that uses libpurple
01:24
they are having trouble figuring out autotools it sounds like
01:27
<Ryan52>
0.o...autotools with perl?
01:28
<johnny>
well, it has to build libpurple too as far as i can tell
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02:20
<Munae>
hey johnny u aroud_
02:20
<johnny>
perhaps..
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02:22
<Nubae>
so I installled Gentoo
02:22
after having a go with suse.....
02:23
Suse just totally killed my system.... it behaved like a windows install
02:24
It just basically wipeout out the partition I specifically told it not to...and Im certain about it too
02:26
I then went ahead and checked out the state of gentoo, and was pleasantly surprised that for the most part installer was very logical and nice.
02:26
<johnny>
i only have tried the installer twice.. it screwed up twice
02:27
that was awhile ago tho
02:27
<Nubae>
but it seems to have only half installed for some reason
02:27
<johnny>
half installed?
02:27
i've never trusted the installer.. i haven't gone back yet
02:27
i just refresh with the quick install guide
02:28
<Nubae>
or does it not come with X by default and a regular user?
02:28
ok
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02:29
<Nubae>
well Ill go over the manual install... last time I did this was like 6 years ago... but its all still nicely logical
02:30
Suse... I dont understand how people can run that
02:30
its worse than windows
02:31
I|m writing up a report now, but basically theyve tried to rewrite everything.... from their own caching server and firewall, to their dreaded worsened yast experience
02:31
to me its not even a regular linux distro anymore
02:35
johnny, which windows manager do u run on ure gentoo?
02:35
<johnny>
i run gnome
02:35
with metacity
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<Nubae>
xfce runs nice on it too
02:39
<johnny>
i guess..
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<knipwim>
johnny: i'm executing lts-build-client on gentoo
05:56
and after fetching and unpacking the stage
05:56
it goes on to building the kernel
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and gives the error * could not emerge kernel sources
05:57
you know what causes that, or where the error originates?
06:00
<gate_keeper_>
any recommends for ltsp clustering
06:00
ha or hpc?
06:00
for ubuntu 8.04
06:02
<stgraber>
you can look at ltsp-cluster but what it does is load-balancing users between a pool of application server
06:02
it doesn't do HA altough we do it for our customers (for all services except the application servers)
06:05
<DarKnesS_WolF>
mm i just getting connection refused on the LTSP fatclient even i did ltsp-update-sshkeys and update-image waht might be the problem ?
06:05
this is a fresh image i just generated
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<Appiah>
anyone using pam_mount? I have no idea on how to mount multiply shares in this pam_mount.conf.xml. Can only get it to mount 1
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<ogra>
stgraber, we'll need a solution for dontzap if we want to support it in ltsp
06:14
(depend on the dontzap package and add an initscript hook for a lts.conf variable to enable it)
06:14
<stgraber>
ogra: isn't dontzap a xorg.conf option ?
06:14
<ogra>
control-atl-bspace is disabled upstream now
06:14
*alt
06:15
which means you cant kill the X server
06:15
<stgraber>
ogra: if so, people who want it enabled, can simply set a variable in lts.conf
06:15
<ogra>
thats what i mean
06:15
you need the dontzap package in the chroot
06:15
<stgraber>
what exactly does dontzap (the binary) ? tweak xorg.conf ?
06:15
<ogra>
oh, wait, we have that as lts.conf option already ?
06:15
<stgraber>
if so we don't need it
06:16
we have lts.conf to add options to pretty much everywhere in xorg.conf
06:16
<ogra>
it sets DontZap "False"
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to override the new default
06:16
well, then all is fine
06:16
<stgraber>
ogra: in what section ? Screen ?
06:17
<ogra>
Section "ServerFlags"
06:17
Option "DontZap" "False"
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EndSection
06:17
<stgraber>
oh, ServerFlags ... we don't have that in screen-session.d yet
06:17
<ogra>
thats what i get with calling "dontzap -d"
06:18
<stgraber>
ok, added to my list. I'll probably poke Gadi or vagrantc, they are the ones who most recently touched that code
06:19
I'm not yet sure if we just want an extra screen-session.d script to do the same as dontzap
06:19
or completely add support for serverflags instead
06:19
<ogra>
or just install dontzap and call dontzap -d/-e
06:20
if X_ZAPPING is set or some such
06:20
<stgraber>
well, I don't know if dontzap (the package) is present in all distro. Doing it with a screen-session.d script will work for all distro
06:20
<ogra>
it properly uses Xkit to modify the config
06:21
which should be used for all xorg.conf modifications nowadays
06:21
<stgraber>
ogra: we don't use /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
06:21
<ogra>
oh ?
06:21
<stgraber>
we have /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf :)
06:21
<ogra>
how does i.e. Gadi configure his serial touchscreens then ?
06:21
ah
06:22
and link it ?
06:22
<stgraber>
no, we start with -config /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf
06:22
<ogra>
ah
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06:27
<alkisg>
DarKnesS_WolF: you could open a local terminal, run `ssh server` and see if any there are any messages displayed.
06:29
<DarKnesS_WolF>
alkisg: the strange thing is now i do ltsp-update-sshkey then update-img
06:29
i reboot it works
06:29
if i didn't reboot the ltsp server machine it will connection refused !
06:31
<ogra>
sudo killall nbd-server ... shuld work without rebooting
06:31
we should probably add a switch to ltsp-update-image to forcefully kill all nbd servers if the admin is sure there are no running connections
06:35
<DarKnesS_WolF>
ogra: mmmmm ok will check
06:36
ogra: question, if i dont' want to use nbd and use the /var/lib/ltsp/amd64 files directory any clue / howtos?
06:37
<ogra>
you need to modify initramfs.conf in the chroot (BOOT=nfs) and run a chrooted update-initramfs -u, then ltsp-update-kernels and indeed set up an nfs server... i *think* that should be enough but its 1.5y ago that i tested it last
06:38
<DarKnesS_WolF>
ogra: ok will try
06:45
ogra: the NFS server of course on the ltsp main server right ? not the chrooted ?
06:45
<ogra>
right
06:46
<DarKnesS_WolF>
ok will test
06:46
so now i can kill nbd server?
06:50
<alkisg>
Not sure if this is correct: sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
06:50
DarKnesS_WolF: ^^^
06:51
<DarKnesS_WolF>
alkisg: mmm ok
06:51
testing i hope it will boot via NFS not via the img.
06:52
<alkisg>
(nbd-server is in /etc/inetd.conf)
06:53
<DarKnesS_WolF>
mm not working same connection refused
06:53
ogra: i just did exactly what u said
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<DarKnesS_WolF>
alkisg: even now with normal img. after i do restart nbd still the same connection refused
07:45
<alkisg>
DarKnesS_WolF: Erm, what? It doesn't work at all now, even with nbd?
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<alkisg>
DarKnesS_WolF: I don't know anything about switching from nbd to nfs or vise versa. There's a how to in the ubuntu wiki, but I don't know how old it is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupLTSPDevelEnvironment (there's a paragraph "Using NFS in replacement of NBD" there)
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<jammcq>
good morning #ltsp
07:52
<ogra>
hey jammcq
07:53
<DarKnesS_WolF>
thx
07:53
gtg
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10:13
<oCean_>
hi. just finished installing ltsp. (on ubuntu 8.04) How to create user accounts? Should I create account in chroot env /opt/ltsp/i386? Using useraccount on server, I get full access to the Ubuntu serverenvironment, while I expect to login in a chrooted environment?
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<oCean_>
I cannot find the documentation on how to handle useraccounts (besides docu on ldap users)
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10:16
<ogra>
ltsp sessions run on the server
10:16
the chroot is only for booting the client, bringing up x and the login manager ...
10:17
you dont log in to the chroot
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10:17
<oCean_>
ogra: okay! So my assumption was wrong .. and the config is ok :)
10:17
<ogra>
right
10:18
<oCean_>
ogra: Great. I thought user had restricted .. err, limited access to applications etcetera. That's something I have to config on the Ubuntu server I guess
10:19
<ogra>
right
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10:22
<oCean_>
Do you know if anything (e.g. software or tutorial) exists, to limit access to applications, or even better to create a default set of applications a user is allowed to run?
10:22
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ probably has something, not sure
10:23
<oCean_>
ogra: thx!
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10:43
<johnny>
knipwim, i'll have to get back to you in a bit on that
10:46
<knipwim>
that's okay, i'm not in a hurry
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<knipwim>
besides, doing things manually is a good way to learn :)
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<sakhi>
hi
11:33
which command is used to install ltsp?
11:33
I'm running a thin client environment.
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11:37
<Lns>
sakhi: need more info
11:37
!question
11:37
<ltspbot>
Lns: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
11:48
<alkisg>
How often is LTSP updated for Debian testing? Is it like e.g. 1 month behind ltsp-upstream?
11:53
<ogra>
depends on the freeze thats in effect i'd guess
11:53
like in ubuntu
11:53
(juts that debian freeze times can be endless)
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<alkisg>
So something like sidux would be more appropriate? Or should I try sid?
11:54
<ogra>
currently sid and testing are the same
11:54
<alkisg>
(on one of my kids PCs, I just want to see debian in action)
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<ogra>
if there even is a testing branch already
11:54
lenny released yesterday
11:54
<alkisg>
Yeah, but I was looking for a rolling release, so that I don't have to do dist-upgrade (it often breaks... ;))
11:55* ogra doesnt know how often sidux syncs against debian
11:56
<ogra>
or if its even stable
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<alkisg>
Well, I'll go for testing then and see what I get. I'm sure my kids won't hold it against me. :P Ty!
12:06
<sakhi>
Lns: I used the command ltsp-build-client
12:08
<Lns>
sakhi: that should be the one =)
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<morehpperliter>
Hello.
12:35
I am using edubuntu.
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<morehpperliter>
And on startup of PXE client I get [ 18.719276] nbd0: Recieve control failed (result -32)
12:42
<Gadi>
morehpperliter: grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
12:43
is there an nbdrootd entry?
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<Lns>
I'm pretty sure I had this conversation with someone before, but anyone want to discuss nbd swapfile issues with me?
12:45
<Gadi>
Lns: grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
12:45
is there and nbdswapd entry?
12:45
:)
12:45
<Lns>
Gadi: yes :)
12:45
<Gadi>
(couldnt resist)
12:45
<Lns>
I think you were the one to tell me to add that before, so i did at all my sites
12:45
hehe
12:46
I've got 2 issues - primarily involving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/281498 - and also the fact that the swapfiles don't get removed, filling up the /tmp (or / ) filesystem eventually.
12:48
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
anyone else have trouble w/ ubuntuforums.org?
12:49
<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM_: "We'll be right back after we perform some quick maintenance to improve performance and upgrade to the latest forum software release. We are removing some old archives as well which will take some time. "
12:49
<morehpperliter>
All forums were attacked this week.
12:49
Aussie hacker.
12:49
<CAN-o-SPAM_>
ok good, i don't need to see the eye doctor for a prescription adjustment
12:50
<Lns>
damn aussies!
12:50
who would want to attack ubuntu! They are only attacking themselves, as it is what we all are ;)
12:50
<morehpperliter>
Trying to make some dough.
12:50
ad bots
12:53
<Lns>
what a bad target for ads... like any ubuntu forum user is gonna be all "Wow, Adobe Acrobat for $1.00!!!"
12:55
<huey>
"wow, evince for free!!!"
12:55
<Lns>
heh...like that whole slightly-modified-OOo that makes you pay $89 after a month or something
12:56
<huey>
was it modified? or was it just a scammer
12:56
<mistik1>
$1, I better go get a copy
12:56
Where's my credit card
12:56
<Lns>
huey: I think the license was modified enough to make it legal for them to pay for it
12:57
<huey>
mistik1: if you give me your credit card # and name and 3 digits on the back, i can take care of it for you for free
12:57
<Lns>
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F15%2F2029235&from=rss
12:58
<mistik1>
huey: um, ok
12:58
:)
12:59
<Lns>
chroot 'root' account must be unlocked to run cron jobs (on the client), correct?
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<Lns>
nm, looks like it from some googling.
13:07
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "Lns: completely untested :)" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/251
13:08
<Lns>
Gadi: wow! what service. ;)
13:08
<Gadi>
dont run it on anything you care about right away
13:08
:)
13:08
<Lns>
you know what's strange is that on my OWN server, i only have two swapfiles in /tmp, which makes me believe there is *some* sort of functionality to remove them (wasn't it something to do w/keepalive?)
13:09
Gadi: oh of course
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<Gadi>
the problem is when keepalive kills things rather than nbd-server dying on its own
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<Lns>
ah..from client crash, etc?
13:10
<Gadi>
because keepalive kills nbdswapd (which contains the code to delete the file)
13:10
rather than just killing the nbd-server part
13:10
<johnny>
didn't we already discuss a possible solution to this Lns ?
13:10
<Lns>
johnny: maybe :)
13:10
<Gadi>
we probably just need to trap kills to nbdswapd
13:10
and exit on our own
13:10
thats the real fix
13:11
<Lns>
Gadi: that's kinda what i was thinking..take it out of that box and monitor it from 'above'
13:11
not that i have any idea what i'm talking about :)
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13:16
<ogra>
Gadi, ++
13:16
traps FTW !
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<Gadi>
ogra: do you know what signal tcpd sends when it kills?
13:20
hopefully not KILL
13:20
hopefully HUP
13:20
or some such
13:20
<ogra>
no idea
13:20
but yiu can set traps on kill as well
13:21
<Gadi>
KILL 9 exit this signal may not be blocked
13:22
<ogra>
9 ...
13:23* ogra mixed it up with 15...
13:24
<Gadi>
well, we can trap and hope for the best
13:24
:)
13:24
Lns: can I paste you a replacement nbdswapd to test?
13:27
<Lns>
Gadi: sure... i really need to get a test env. though :)
13:27
but i can use it on my own and test
13:27
Gadi: i'm using Hardy if that matters
13:28
<ogra>
hardy is ancient, use jaunty :P
13:29
(sorry, had to say that, Gadi expects it from me :P )
13:29
<Gadi>
sad, but true
13:29
:)
13:30
of course, we've had hardy support built in since Breezy
13:30
:)
13:30
<ogra>
indeeed !
13:32
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "nbdswapd" (74 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/252
13:33
<Gadi>
HUP TERM ABRT QUIT
13:33
hopefully that does it
13:33
<laga>
Gadi: bless ya
13:33
<Gadi>
:)
13:35
let's pray tcpd kills gently
13:35
<Lns>
Gadi: thank you so much, this is awesome =) let me test it out in a bit
13:38
<Gadi>
Lns: np - if the trap works, you can forget aout the cron script
13:38
:)
13:38
<Lns>
Gadi: gotcha. =)
13:39
oh, and ogra,... jaunty is just a bit too bleeding edge for me being the only admin of 9 sites. So blarp to you! =p
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<calincito>
hola necesito ayada con un problema de ltsp
14:02
<rjune>
calincito, no hablo espagnol
14:02
te hablo anglais?
14:04
<Lns>
Gadi: so to test new nbdswapd, i should just crash my client a few times and see if the swapfiles hang around or not, correct?
14:05
(I know it's a dumb question..just want to make sure :) )
14:14
<calincito>
configure the boot ltsp as a switch 3com model superstack 3c17300a funsiona perfectly and when I use the 3com 3cblsg24 swith a brand I can not find the error that tftp, which could be the problem
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<calincito>
anyone have a clue about this problem I have with the switch
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<epsas>
Remember people: Gravity doesn't exist. The Earth just sucks.
14:20
<Lns>
calincito: so one switch works and the other doesnt?
14:20
<epsas>
oh sorry, wrong channel there
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<din_os>
hello
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<din_os>
how come some sites like ign.com come to a crawl on even a single client?
14:43
<johnny>
din_os, that kind of thing happens for me even on my own computer.. no ltsp involved.
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<Appiah_>
/j #suse
14:46
ops
14:48
<sakhi>
I have built ltsp for thin clients and the error message I get is pxe-t01 file not found and tftp error file not found.
14:48
<vagrantc>
!release
14:48
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
14:48
<vagrantc>
sakhi: ^^
14:49
<sakhi>
the error message is on the client
14:49
<ogra>
vagrantc, pfft, stating the obvious through bots ...
14:49
<Gadi>
Lns: sorry, yes - and wait the 2 hour timeout period
14:49
<vagrantc>
ogra: that's what they're good for.
14:49
<ogra>
:)
14:50* Gadi is starting to enjoy ogra-as-waldorf-from-the-muppets
14:50
<Gadi>
:)
14:50
<ogra>
wanna be stadler ?
14:50
;)
14:50* Gadi wants to be animal
14:50
<sakhi>
the clint pc can id the ip from dhcp and gets an IP from the server, I don;t think it's reading the image in order to boot.
14:51
<calincito>
I'm using the distro is opensuse 10.3
14:51
<ogra>
grow your hair then
14:51
<Gadi>
sakhi: grep next-server /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
14:51
<sakhi>
I'm using 8.04 upgraded.
14:51
<calincito>
and actually makes the mistake is not to find the tftp boot time when the customer
14:51
<Lns>
Gadi: ok, thanks! =)
14:52
<Gadi>
calincito: is that a managed switch?
14:53
<Lns>
lol... can i be Zoot? =)
14:53
<calincito>
a switch is actually manageable, the above are not manageable
14:54
<sakhi>
Gadi: should I remove the comment on that line?
14:54
<Gadi>
sakhi: yes, and make sure the IP is correct
14:54
and: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
14:54
<ogra>
Gadi, huh ?
14:55
<Gadi>
huh?
14:55
<ogra>
why should he do that ?
14:55
unless his tftp server is on a different machine
14:55
<Gadi>
add next-server to his dhcp?
14:55
<ogra>
yes
14:55
<Gadi>
his client is obviously not finding the tftp server
14:56
<ogra>
right, why would you expect that to change with next-server being set
14:56
i rather assume he has another dhcpd running
14:56
<Gadi>
perhaps its the pxe client
14:56
could be that, too
14:56
:)
14:56
<calincito>
anyone have a clue about my problem, I used ubuntun and me funsionado the same switch without any problem but the version with which I would like it to opensuse which has given me problems with this switch
14:56
<sakhi>
Gadi: it is a pxe client
14:56
<Gadi>
it doesnt hurt to set next-server
14:57
<Lns>
calincito: is your tftp server on the same server as dhcpd?
14:57
<ogra>
calincito, the prob is that opensuse does use kiwi wrapped around the ltsp scripts, there are not many kiwi experts around in this channel
14:57
<calincito>
Check the different script and not find the error for which I am not a pc funsionan to switch their comment
14:57
<ogra>
so help with changing your config is a bit tricky
14:58
<din_os>
johnny: actually on my server it runs smooth as a baby's ... but on the client it becomes unusable, i've iftop-ed it to see what's wrong but the network doesn't seem to be the problem
14:58
<Lns>
not that this is related, but i found with IPCop dhcpd, you need to set 'server-identifier', 'tftp-server-name' (and 'next-server' since tftp isn't on that box)
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<ogra>
?? Lns the dhcpd ubuntu ships is IPCop dhcpd
14:59
<johnny>
huh?
14:59
<ogra>
none of these options were ever needed in ubuntu
15:00
<johnny>
it's isc ?
15:00
<vagrantc>
calincito: i think there is a #kiwi-ltsp channel ...
15:00
<ogra>
oops
15:00
indeed
15:00
<vagrantc>
calincito: you might have luck there
15:00
<calincito>
oks
15:00
thank
15:00
<din_os>
?
15:00
<ogra>
Lns, feel free to ignore me :)
15:01
<Lns>
ogra: sorry, giong back and forth =)
15:02
<ogra>
Lns, i'm just trying to cope with my newly Gadi-assigned-waldorf-role here
15:03
<Lns>
lol!
15:03
<vagrantc>
!kiwi
15:03
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "kiwi" is http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
15:03
<Lns>
su - waldorf
15:04
<din_os>
so I guess I have to live with no ign then.. it's strange cause even youtube runs ok, with a small hit on framerate
15:05
maybe the client can't handle too much javascript + flash at the same time...
15:05
<johnny>
firefox itself doesn't do a good job with that either..
15:05
hopefully 3.1 will help resolve the issue with js
15:06
<din_os>
thanks, at least it's a known issue, I've been looking around the web for tips on this with no improvement
15:10
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: learn kiwi as also see the channel #kiwi-ltsp
15:10
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
15:10
<vagrantc>
!kiwi
15:10
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "kiwi" is (#1) http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP, or (#2) also see the channel #kiwi-ltsp
15:10
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: forget kiwi 2
15:10
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
15:10
<vagrantc>
!kiwi
15:10
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "kiwi" is http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
15:10
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: learn kiwi as also see the irc channel #kiwi-ltsp
15:10
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
15:10
<vagrantc>
!kiwi
15:10
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "kiwi" is (#1) http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP, or (#2) also see the irc channel #kiwi-ltsp
15:11* vagrantc will stop annoying the channel
15:11
<vagrantc>
it's much more difficult to interact with the bot in a private message, though ... the syntax for most commands change...
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<Lns>
vagrantc: yeah, not like you don't contribute anything useful to this channel, stop playing with the bots and leave everyone alone. =P~~ ~
15:16
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, you missed nubae recently ... he was playing with google plugins for the whole day with his logbot, i had my moments where i considered taking #ltsp out of autojoin
15:16
<sakhi>
Gadi: nope. no joy
15:17
<Gadi>
sakhi: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
15:17
<sakhi>
I'm sure I'm missing out something
15:17
<Lns>
ogra: but don't you like knowing how many search results your name brings up, vs. mine?
15:17
<Gadi>
sakhi: dpkg -l |grep inetd
15:18
<ogra>
Lns, if i try to get work done and get pinged every 30 sec ... ot so much
15:18
*not
15:18
<Lns>
lol
15:18
<laga>
1google oliver grawert
15:18
oops
15:18
<Gadi>
!seen ogra
15:18
<ltspbot>
Gadi: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 25 seconds ago: <ogra> *not
15:18
<Gadi>
:D
15:18
<ogra>
laga, that doesnt ping me luckily :)
15:18
<Gadi>
should've waited 5 secs
15:18* Lns slaps Gadi with a large trout
15:19ogra is now known as waldorf
15:19* waldorf slaps Gadi with a big filled turkey
15:19waldorf is now known as ogra
15:20
<Lns>
hahahaha
15:20
tar n feather him
15:20
<Gadi>
a big filled turkey? that's what you cam eup with
15:20
:)
15:21
@trans en@de big filled turkey
15:21
<ltsplogbot>
15:21* ogra goes to ignore IRC now and celebrate the last 2h of his b-day
15:21
<laga>
ogra: happy birthday!
15:21
<Lns>
ogra: !!!
15:21
<Gadi>
happy b-day!
15:21
(you big filled turkey)
15:21
<Lns>
happy bday ogra! =p
15:21
<ogra>
heh
15:21
thanks :)
15:21* Lns cheers ogra
15:22
<Gadi>
ltspbot: learn turkey as ogra was born on February 16th at a very young age
15:22
<ltspbot>
Gadi: The operation succeeded.
15:22
<Gadi>
!turkey
15:22
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "turkey" is ogra was born on February 16th at a very young age
15:22
<Gadi>
now, that's immortality...
15:26
<rjune>
ogra, it's your birthday?
15:28
<sakhi>
Gadi: I think the problem is with clients, /opt/ltsp/amd64/ instead of /opt/ltsp/i386
15:29
how can I install something that will work with i386 clients?
15:29
<Gadi>
sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
15:30
<johnny>
why doen't ubuntu default to i386 ?
15:30
i definitely decided to do taht on gentoo..
15:30
<sakhi>
Gadi: I have 32 bit clients
15:30
<Gadi>
right
15:31
run that command
15:31
<sakhi>
johnny: I don't know why they do that.
15:31
<Gadi>
because of a secret agenda to confuddle and bewilder
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<Lns>
Gadi: Care to take a gander at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/281498 ? What's your take on the issue? I kind of "forgot" about it, but since being on-site, remembered that pretty much every site has this issue if the clients turn on within a few seconds of each other (dhcp timeout, then boots to local disk, causing techs to boot/reboot clients until they get an IP)
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<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "/opt/ltsp/arch/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup - configure_swap()" (46 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/253
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<Gadi>
wow
15:39
that was a long read
15:39
:)
15:40
<Lns>
Gadi: sorry :)
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<Gadi>
so, wahts the problem?
15:41
:)
15:41
<Lns>
This is probably a dumb comment, but I wonder why we can't create swapfiles once and re-use them (instead of dd'ing them each boot, causing server resources to be taken up)
15:41
Gadi: ^^^ not my q
15:41
<Gadi>
hehe
15:41
dd'ing to /tmp takes no time at all
15:41
:)
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<Lns>
Gadi: so the hangup isn't there?
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<Gadi>
so, the problem is what again?
15:42
clients don't get swap?
15:42
<Lns>
Gadi: my prob is that nbd_swap enabled clients hang for around 30-40 seconds every boot during swapfile creation
15:42
<Gadi>
I got kinda confused reading
15:42
<Lns>
no, they get them, eventually
15:42
<Gadi>
thats it?
15:42
<Lns>
during said 30-40 seconds, server i/o seems saturated, and other booting clients don't get a dhcp lease response, failing pxe boot
15:43
<Gadi>
you mean the server is so busy making swapfile it ignores incoming requests for other things?
15:43
<Lns>
Gadi: that's what I *think* is happening
15:43
it has all the symptoms that point to that
15:43
<Gadi>
specious reasoning at best, my friend
15:43
:)
15:44
<Lns>
during 30-40 sec, as the report states, the client shows "Setting up LTSP Client" - ..."Negotiation: Invalid operator"
15:44
and hangs there. once it gets past that point, dhcpd starts responding again
15:44
<Gadi>
well, the invalid operator was a shell syntax error
15:44
<Lns>
right
15:44
<Gadi>
that you fixed no?
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15:45* Gadi wonders if it is fixed upstream
15:45
<Lns>
yes..lemme verify at all my sites, but i'm pretty sure i fixed it manually
15:46
<Gadi>
seems to have been rewritten upstream
15:47
<Lns>
hmm..
15:47
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "function in latest upstream" (43 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/254
15:49
<Lns>
hmm, i guess i fixed it at a couple sites..not all of them though
15:50
Gadi: you think it's possible that not having the quotes and therefore it giving the "invalid operator" causes that funct. to hang? if so, what's it hanging on?
15:51* Lns wonders if he should replace the function w/upstream version's
15:51
<sakhi>
Gadi: the dist-upgrade command upgrades the Distro right?
15:52
<Gadi>
sakhi: on ubuntu?
15:52
use:
15:52
<sakhi>
yep
15:52
<Gadi>
update-manager -d
15:52
<sakhi>
Ubuntu
15:52
<Gadi>
^^^
15:55* Lns grows weary of updating nbd filesystem after every change sometimes :(
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<Gadi>
think of it as revision control
15:57
backup the image before you do, and you can easily roll back
15:57* vagrantc cringes, noticing ldm-trunk/ldminfod has absolutely no copyright license information
15:57
<vagrantc>
Lns: i grew weary of it before i ever did it! :)
15:58
<Lns>
Gadi: that's what I was thinking... it'd be cool for ltsp-update-image to have a 'backup previous image' switch :) *hint hint*
15:58
i bet i could even come up with a function that does that, hehe
15:58* Lns is a bash nightmare waiting to happen
16:00
<Gadi>
the only script so far I think I need bash for that I couldn't write in dash was getltscfg
16:00
:)
16:00
how ironic
16:01
well, I guess I could write it in dash but it would be ugly
16:01
some parsers just scream for arrays
16:02
<Lns>
here's my code contribution :) sudo cp -a i386.img i386.img.`date +%F`
16:02
aren't I a genius =p
16:02
ack! doesn't do time in that. bad bad bad
16:03
<Gadi>
lol
16:03
rev 0.2
16:03
<Lns>
see what i mean! =p
16:03
<Gadi>
:)
16:03
<Lns>
hehe
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<Lns>
any issues with using a : in a filename?
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<Lns>
regarding thinking of it as revision control... another cool thing would be to be able to parse each image for changes made..i've been wondering how to accomplish something like that, to know *exactly* what has changed in the chroot filesystem. So many little modifications over time requires some sort of reference (I was thinking about using a wiki, which would work too)
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<Lns>
alright, v0.2: cp -a /opt/ltsp/images/$arch.img /opt/ltsp/images/$arch.img.`date +%F`-`date +%T|sed s/://g`
16:31
i am so smart..i am so smart...S M R T...I mean S M A R T
16:33
<laga>
Lns: for future reference. the german translation is "ich bin so klug! k-l-u-k!"
16:33
<Lns>
laga: klug = smart... hehehe
16:37
<sepski>
how exactly do you change the cipher used in ldm/ltsp ?
16:38
i want to try a lighter cifer to see if i can improve on responsiveness
16:39
<Lns>
sepski: i might be wrong, but wouldn't that be an sshd config option?
16:40
<sepski>
when i run ssh manually it's ssh -c 'archfour' (example)
16:40
i see in lts.conf example how to change ssh port. and compression but not cipher or general options
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<johnny>
sepski, just go with LDM_DIRECTX first
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<sepski>
?? did you get that out of the lts-parameters.txt.gz ?
16:42
<johnny>
yes
16:42
it's a very popular option
16:42
<sepski>
why is it not in my example file. i run lenny
16:43
<Ryan52>
there's an example config file on Debian?
16:43* Ryan52 didn't think there was
16:43
<sepski>
Ryan52, /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/
16:44* Ryan52 still doesn't see an example lts.conf there..
16:45
<sepski>
zless /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/lts-parameters.txt.gz it's also in zless /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/lts-parameters.txt.gz and a example file in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts.conf and in
16:45
ok added LDM_DIRECTX=True have to reboot i assume
16:46
<johnny>
yes
16:46
<sepski>
k brb
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<sepski>
have to test tomorrow thanks for the tip. goodnight
16:50
<johnny>
reboot the client.. not the server :)
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<phytax>
hi, i wrote in my blog about using wine and thin clients using aufs without the need to install the apps for each user
17:01
<laga>
sweet
17:01
got an URL?
17:01
<phytax>
look here http://phytax.wordpress.com/
17:01
<johnny>
install the app for each user? i thought wine could already do that..
17:01
perhaps not..
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<Lns>
johnny: you might be thinking of cxoffice
17:29
(which is wine on crack)
17:29
they have those "bottles" and multi-user config options
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: if you haven't noticed, i've been doing a update of copyright headers for ldm, and ldm-trunk/generate_locale_list.py and misc/ldm-dialog.c have no such copyright or license information ... i think you're the original author :)
17:42
Ryan52: mind if i add the standard GPL v2+ headers?
17:42
<Ryan52>
sure.
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<ogra>
oh, more copyright cleanup :)
17:50
nice
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<vagrantc>
ogra: since i'll be introducing a new binary with my next ldm upload, i wanted to get all the coypright stuff sorted out
17:52
<ogra>
a new binary ?
17:52
what do you add ?
17:52
<vagrantc>
binary package ... ldm-server
17:52
<ogra>
ah
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<vagrantc>
for ldminfod + other dependencies not related to ldminfod
17:53
<ogra>
yep
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i discovered "licensecheck" recently :)
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<ogra>
is that part of the debian/copyright automation attempt
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<sakhi>
I have installed ltsp on the server and the clients cat boot from the image when I log on with the user account it verifies the password but gives a message stating that computer is not authenticated to log on to the server. Please help
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<ogra>
sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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<sakhi>
yep I did that
17:58
still no joy
18:01
the funny thing with the second command is that it updates it to the amd64 which is located in the same path as the i386.
18:01
<johnny>
that's why it doens't work
18:01
<ogra>
ah
18:01
<johnny>
ltsp-update-image -a i386
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<ogra>
right
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<sakhi>
johnny: ahh tell me,will moving the amd64 dir to a different location have a negative impact?
18:03
<ogra>
depends if you have amd64 clients :)
18:03
<johnny>
if you don't have any amd64 clients.. delete it
18:03
it's not ever going to be used
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<sakhi>
great stuff.
18:06
I have added the client in this directory, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
18:06
is that ok?
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host name, mac address,ip and the boot image location.
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<ogra>
right, thats fine
18:09
<sakhi>
ok, brb
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<sakhi>
thanks, it works
18:43
I just need to give it some time too. I have another 30 clients to on in the next 3 or 4 hours. No sleep in bad.
18:43
kbye
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<vagrantc>
ogra: *sigh* all your copyright updates used the outdated FSF address :(
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19:04* vagrantc fixes it
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<stgraber>
hehe, next upstream is gonna be 90% of licensing commits :)
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vagrantc: btw, I'll likely tag a ltspfs tomorrow, any progress on debuging that bug affecting Debian ?
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: cdpinger behaves very badly.
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stgraber: that's the main issue, no progress on troubleshooting it.
19:25
stgraber: they work fine for you?
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<stgraber>
I don't have much thin clients with cd-rom drives but the few times I tried it worked fine with my bzr snapshot
19:26
is that a random crash or does it always fail ?
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<vagrantc>
i've never seen it work well ... inserting or removing a CD will not be noticed by the local mount ... and sometimes interferes with the remote cd mount as well
19:27
the initial state works fine, it's actually inserting and removing that causes problems
19:29
i can't see anything in the code suggesting why it wouldn't work...
19:30
gotta run...
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<nothingman>
hi, all
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<kaos01>
is local devices soposed to work in fedora 10 ?
22:43
<johnny>
should
22:43
on gnome at least
22:44
<kaos01>
well for me seems the permissions on /media/user are wrong
22:44
i.e. group has no rwx permissions
22:44
<johnny>
i don't think it needs to
22:44
did you create the users with them as members of their own group?
22:44
<kaos01>
well else i cant access the content
22:45
<johnny>
all i see is a bunch of funny stuff on ubuntu.. odd symbols and whatnot when i try to look at em
22:45
<kaos01>
yes fedor auses "private groups" by default
22:46
but but the directory is not readable by the group when created
22:46
i.e /media/user
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<kaos01>
it wouldnt be a umask thing ?
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<jrd1>
does anyone know how to get an Eon 4000 up and running?
23:23
i get a blank screen and no access to any ttys, i saw this problem discussed a year ago in the logs but the solution wasn't posted
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<rjune_>
jrd1: unfortunately, most of the folks who are likely to be able to help are not here right now.
23:30
<jrd1>
ok thanks, i've been fighting with this thing for weeks!
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<rjune_>
jrd1: I suggest you pop in around 1500 GMT
23:35
I'm not sure who could help you, but this place starts getting active around 1300 GMT till around 0200GMT or so
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<jrd1>
thanks rjune, is drakeweb still active on this channel, he seemed to be the one who was able to figure this out
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