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Channel log from 24 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<str4nd__>
\o_
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<marek82>
stupid question probetly.. what if i look in mirrors i see only debian related pagases. Has anyone tryed it under redhat distro?
02:55
are there any rpms areound?
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<sep>
marek82, i dont know much, but it seams to me that the redhat people dont tell what they are up to. so if there is rpm's working and they have implemented ltsp5 it require inside knowledge to get access to it. i recomend if you want to use ltsp5 to use debian or ubuntu.
03:02
or call your redhat representative :)
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<marek82>
hehe
03:05
i am using centos anyways
03:05
my company isnt ready to pay for it
03:05
huge cash
03:05
:P
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<untitled>
hi
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<flying_shell>
hey
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<untitled>
i tried ltsp5, but have a little problem here, nfsmount keeps saying "need a path"
03:13
if i restart nfs server a couple of times, it boots
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<flying_shell>
have you checked you /etc/exports?
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<untitled>
lost of times
03:13
/opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,subtree_check)
03:13
here it is
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<flying_shell>
i think theres a failure
03:14
my exports looks like this:
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<ltsppbot>
"flying_shell" pasted "exports" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/111
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<untitled>
you using ltsp5?
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<flying_shell>
no I am using LTSP4.2 but the export file is a part of the nfs server and the sytnax shoild be the same, i think
03:19
<untitled>
keeps telling the same thing
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<flying_shell>
you could try to mount your share manually for testing purpose
03:19
mount -t nfs $IP$:/$SHARE$ /mountdir
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<envite>
Hello all from Spain!
04:27
¡Hola a todos desde España!
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<cliebow>
envite:Hola!
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<envite>
Hola cliebow
05:36
I was in a meeting. I'm in it, right now ;)
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<cliebow>
Cool
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<marek82>
how can i boot ltsp up, if i dont have dhcp running?
05:37
can i?
05:38
i have local network a dhcpd running.. and i cant have 2..
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<sep>
marek82, you can put the needed config into the dhcp that your running
05:41
or you can put 2 network cards on the ltsp server and make a dedicated ltsp client network that the ltsp server have dhcp for
05:41
that's also sane for performance
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<marek82>
hmm
05:41
its 2 diffrent servers
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<sep>
marek82, btu you can put the configs needed for ltsp into the already exsisting server
05:42
it does not have to be the same server the the tftp server
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<marek82>
wait..
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u mean i can but dhcpd config to existing server
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and take tftp from other?
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<cyberor1>
marek82: fun of networked computers ;)
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<marek82>
:D
05:44
hmm
05:44
lets see...:D
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what should i but there?
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what part should i take away
05:46
only the if clause?
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<cliebow>
marek82: if linux dhcp use nextt-server..if windows dhcp use option 66 to point to tftpserver
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<marek82>
ya
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found i
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t
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wrks to
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but
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atm
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i have new error
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tftp error 1 file not found:S
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<cliebow>
so path to the file is not correct
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i gotta drive to work post your phcpd.conf using pastebot if you like later
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s/p/d
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<marek82>
yay
06:26
i have picture
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but
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correct x wount come up:S
06:27
grey picture..
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<str4nd>
yeah, uname -r: 2.6.20-15-generic
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(and my laptop: 2.6.20-gentoo-r6)
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<marek82>
2.6.18-8.1.1.el5xen
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<str4nd>
old! :P
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<cyberor1>
ogra: ping
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<marek82>
what does that mean str4nd ?
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:P
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how can i get correct x?
06:44
oky
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seems like xdmcp is not configured
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hmm
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<ogra>
cyberor1,
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pong
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<cyberor1>
ogra: where does this function come from? boolean_is_true
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<ogra>
ltsp_functions i think
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<cyberor1>
i get command not found errors
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its not there
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<ogra>
should be sourced at the top of the script
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<cyberor1>
checked those three places sourced, didnt find it there
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<ogra>
hmm, wait
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i dont have that function in ubuntu
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there should be a get_boolean function
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are you sure you use up to date code ?
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<cyberor1>
ok, i must have copied debian file
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<ogra>
boolean_is_true is very old and deprecated
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<cyberor1>
ok, sorry, my mistake
07:00
btw, i got kiwi built chroot to boot and log in the server using xdmcp, used ltsp intird and kernel to pxeboot
07:01
theoritically kiwi can built images for any distro that uses smart package manager
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you guys need to check it out
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<cyberor1>
ogra: ok, now which scripts should i be interested in copying over to my chroot image?
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<ogra>
well, i would make a ltsp-client and ldm package for your distro
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make the ltsp-client package carry the two initscripts, one to set up everything and oe to start the ltsp screen scripts
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<cyberor1>
i've bzr'd everything, where do i look
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<ogra>
look in the debian dir
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all files refixed with ltsp-client define what our ltsp-client package is
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(install locations etc)
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<cyberor1>
ok
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where are the init scripts?
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<ogra>
you want to specifically look at ltsp-client.install to find the paths
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<cyberor1>
ok
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<ogra>
ltsp-client.ltsp-client-setup.init is the initscript that sets up everything
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ltsp-client.init is the initscript that runs the screen scripts
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indeed the package needs to shp the screen scripts as well ... they are mainly the old ltsp 4.2 scripts with minor modifications
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<cyberor1>
we got some people interested, and hopefully we will start working on it, here is the discussion http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2007-04/msg00263.html
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and a summary http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2007-04/msg00281.html
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<ogra>
nice seems you really get something going :)
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<cyberor1>
lets hope we get suse in there in couple of months time
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<ogra>
heh
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it took 1.5 years to get ubuntu where it is now :)
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<cyberor1>
it could be by next week if someone who knows/understands what's in those scripts, we have your great work to base it on ;)
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<ogra>
well, you need more :) ltspfs is a big bone you have ahead still
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nbd ...
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(for swapping)
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alo sound ... do you have the new pulseaudio in suse already ?
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*also
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<cyberor1>
i went through feisty-ltsp/server/plugins scripts, are they for creating chroot?
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<ogra>
yep
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<cyberor1>
yeah we have pulseaudio
07:15
does the scripts there call the ltsp-client* scripts?
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<ogra>
well, there is a lot of stuff t fine tune .... dont expect it to be done in a week ;)
07:15
no
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<cyberor1>
yeah, was just kidding :)
07:16
when does ltsp-client* and ltsp-server* script come into play?
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<ogra>
the plugis are bootstrapping the chroot, installing X, ltsp-client, ldm and ltspfsd and setting some defaults
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and they disable most of the default initscripts ...
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<cyberor1>
ok, that work is done by kiwi
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<ogra>
if you boot a client, it mounts nfs and then starts a normal bootprocess
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in rcS it executes the -setup initscript
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in rc2 (our default runlevel) it executes ltsp-client (which then starts X and runs ldm)
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<cyberor1>
and ltsp-server* ?
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<ogra>
the -setup script is responsible to make all files that need to be RW available through a tmpfs ...
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configure X ....
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set up syslog to log to the server
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create an fstab
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connect to the nbd swapserver
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and start the local device scripts if necessary
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<cyberor1>
i must get that in README somewhere :)
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<ogra>
ltsp-server sets up nfs and dhcp ..
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and ships the ltsp-build-client ltsp-update-kernels and ltsp-update-sshkeys scripts
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(as well as the plugins needed by ltsp-build-client)
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<ogra>
well, just have a look at the bottom of the ltsp-client.ltsp-client-setup.init script
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it has pretty descriptive names for the functions, you should be able to guess what which is doing by the name
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<Guaraldo>
Hi, all...
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<cyberor1>
ltspfsd (no project space known, for more info see bottom of this wiki article) lp_server (not available, due to licensing) and ltspinfod (to be developed, it can't be installed yet)
07:23
whats up with that?
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<cliebow__>
Guaraldo: hody
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<cyberor1>
cliebow_ is our resident greeter :)
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<ogra>
cyberor1, ltspfs has no proper upstream repo atm we'll sort that soon ...
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<fxrsliberty>
Cyberor1:pretty deep stuff huh
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<cyberor1>
fxrsliberty: just grasping straws
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<ogra>
cyberor1, all you could do atm to get ltspfs/d is to grab the ubuntu source package, apply the ubuntu patches and build an rpm from it
07:24
<cliebow_>
it is my contribution! cant seem to get a handle on anything of substance..8~)
07:24
<cyberor1>
cliebow_ it is very refreshing :)
07:25
ogra: and what about the license thing
07:25
<cliebow_>
i hate seeing interested people unmentioned..all about community..
07:25
<ogra>
cyberor1, lp_server is unlicensed and no upstream is available, we switched to jetpipe, a simple python based dataforwarding script that hooks between jetdirect ports and printer devices
07:25
<cliebow_>
now if jammcq would pay for my typing lessons....
07:25
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe
07:26
its very trivial and could still need some love
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<cyberor1>
yeah, i saw jetpipe mentioned somewhere, lp_server is deprecated? that needs to be reflected on wiki
07:26
<ogra>
well lp_server is wonky licensed
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<ogra>
http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe/annotate/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20061206173718-31b65a663df62457?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20061206173718-31b65a663df62457&file_id=jetpipe-20061206173433-pmrfiu61j4wm2itf-2
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<ogra>
thats jetpie
07:27
50 lines :)
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<cyberor1>
wow, thats huuuge
07:28
<ogra>
line 1-23 are comments and license :P
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<cyberor1>
in case we get a group of suse hackers working on it, do we need to set up launchpad accounts or we can do it on forge.novell.com and submit patches/tarballs to you for inclusion upstream?
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<ogra>
bzr branches would be preferred
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<cyberor1>
ok, need to learn bzr :(
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<ogra>
just put them up on a webserver so i can merge them ...
07:30
launchpad makes it easier but you dont need to use it indeed :)
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<cyberor1>
ok :)
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<ogra>
debian stores their bzr branches on alioth.debian.org somewhere ... all you need for bzr is a webserver you have access to...
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<cyberor1>
why do you say ltspfs/d and nbd may cause trouble?
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<ogra>
well, you need a server sided setup for nbd ...
07:35
no idea how suse does that :) so thats something you will have to handle
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<cyberor1>
that is on my server on which chroot is kept?
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<ogra>
and ltspfs needs packages for server and client side
07:35
<cyberor1>
ok
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<cyberor1>
ogra: thanks for all that insight, I will pick your brain more when I understand everything little more :)
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<mhterres>
morning
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<ogra>
afternoon :)
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<mhterres>
hmm, ok :-)
08:08
hehehe
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<cyberor1>
hi we are starting IRC meeting about LTSP on SUSE at #opensuse-kiwi anyone interested in hacking on it, please join us
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ogra: please join
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<laurentdd>
hello
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<marek82>
me again =)
08:32
hi
08:32
got shell
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fired up
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but wount come up still
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:/
08:32
some howto
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are around.. but arent very helpful.:P
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<marek82>
X wount come up*
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gray screen*
08:38
i think proper question is how to enable xdmcp
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because it shows its there.. but not using any
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<cliebow__>
what shows xdmcp id enabled?
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<marek82>
netstat -apn | grep ":177 "
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i think
08:43
what i havelerne so far
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/XDMCP
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found something like this
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i try.. get back to you all later.. if i get it wrking..
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:
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:)
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<cliebow__>
check server= in lts.conf
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<marek82>
yes
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<cliebow__>
for 4.2 anyway
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<marek82>
i have 4.2
08:44
i have my servers ip adress
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<marek82>
SERVER = 192.168.1.28
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i have shell.
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at SCREEN_2
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but SCREEN_1 i have no x
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:(
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<Guaraldo>
SCREEN_01 = startx ???
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<marek82>
yes
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excatly
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<Guaraldo>
And X get up?
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<marek82>
nop
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gery screen
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with large Z
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X'
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*
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<Guaraldo>
Hummm... XDMCP is enabled on server?
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<marek82>
no i think not
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and i am trying to find out how?
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<Guaraldo>
So, that's the problem!
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<laurentdd>
I am a French user of ltsp. I use debian lenny and I do not manage to activate the sound. When I read a sound since the diskless I hears the sound on the server. Exist there a documentation being able to be explained me the procedure. My windows manager is Gnome. Thanks
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<Guaraldo>
Do you use gdm?
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<marek82>
yes
08:48
my server has gnome:p
08:48
log in there..
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<Guaraldo>
laurentdd: LTSP 4.2 ou 5???
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marek82: Find on /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf something like XDMCP=false; Change to true
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<marek82>
dont have that
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:(
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/etc/X11/gdm
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directory missing
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how could i install it?
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<laurentdd>
Guaraldo : 5
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: there is a session on gdm.conf named [xdmcp]
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<marek82>
dont have gdm.conf
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: There is an option named ENABLED... this must be true
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<marek82>
i understand u
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: So you have a problem...
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<marek82>
i think i may have KDM
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so it seems
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because in /etc/kderc
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that i have
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<Guaraldo>
laurentdd: Hummm maybe you need to change Gnome settings to use ESD sound server...
08:53
Oh!, marek82, kdm is a quite diferent... :-D
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<marek82>
:-D
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: So you use Kubuntu, not Ubuntu, right?
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<laurentdd>
Guaraldo: ok. I test and I and say if it goes
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<marek82>
nop
08:54
centos 5 :>
08:54
dhcp is in centos 4.4
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:>
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: there must be a session named [Xdmcp] on /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
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<marek82>
hmmmmm
08:56
dont have that:D
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either
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:S:S
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: There must be an option named ENABLED, that must be on true
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<marek82>
lool
08:57
wth :/
08:57
cd /etc/kde
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i have
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: So put it on there...
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<marek82>
but /etc/kde3 i dont
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<Guaraldo>
so look on /etc/ked/kdm
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<marek82>
not there
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<Guaraldo>
ops... /etc/kde/kdm
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<marek82>
/etc/kderc
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<Guaraldo>
no...
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<marek82>
i have file
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:(
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: try to do this: find /etc |grep kdmrc
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<marek82>
package gdm-2.16.0-30.el5.centos is already installed
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hmm
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:S
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: Hummm... centos is based on Red Hat, don't???
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<marek82>
find come with nothting
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yes
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centos 5 is same as rhel 5
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:)
09:00
clone
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<Guaraldo>
Geeee... they've changed this too...
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marek82: On RH many files are not on usual locations... But there must be a file named gdm.conf on your system...
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or kdmrc
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<marek82>
ya
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i thought that to
09:04
oky
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i think
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at new redhat
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they have renamed it
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a bit
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costum.conf
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is named
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: Try to look at centos web site...
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<marek82>
redhat better:D
09:05
i am there allready ;)
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<marek82>
needed to run gdmsetup
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damn :P
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<marek82>
still no X:p
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<gvy>
g'day sbalneav!
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<ogra>
!s
09:11
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
!s
09:11
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<ogra>
i was faster :)
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<jammcq>
faster isn't always better
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<ogra>
in most cases ... right :)
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<Guaraldo>
hi, sbalneav and jammcq...
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<marek82>
wrks
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yay
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gdmsetup
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was needed =))
09:32
ty Guaraldo :)
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i think now is a how to for Rhel 5 needed :D
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<sbalneav>
Hey everyone
09:36
Was AFK for a bit
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<Guaraldo>
marek82: You can call me always you need...
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<marek82>
hehe
09:38
ofc i will Guaraldo :D
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<Guaraldo>
!guaraldo
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<ltspbot>
Guaraldo: Error: "guaraldo" is not a valid command.
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<marek82>
eheee
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<Guaraldo>
ltspbot: learn guaraldo as Luiz Guaraldo, Porto Alegre/RS - Brazil.
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<ltspbot>
Guaraldo: The operation succeeded.
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<Guaraldo>
!guaraldo
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<ltspbot>
Guaraldo: "guaraldo" is Luiz Guaraldo, Porto Alegre/RS - Brazil.
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<laurentdd>
re
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guaraldo : it's good for the sound
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yea
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<Guaraldo>
laurentdd: Does it work?
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<laurentdd>
but when I read videos on "you tube", the sound passes again on the server
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<laurentdd>
similar with file sounds under totem
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otherwise for the sounds systems it is perfect
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(sorry my english is bad)
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<Guaraldo>
Hummm... It sounds like totem configuration that must use ESD... All programs must use ESD...
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laurentdd: If it's not using... change it! :-D
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<ogra>
depends, in feisty all sound uses alsa
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(through an pulseaudio tunnel)
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<laurentdd>
yes all sound use alsa
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<Guaraldo>
laurentdd: All sound must use ESD... So you must change it universally... :-D
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<laurentdd>
how to make
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<Guaraldo>
laurentdd: It depends on your system... :-D
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<laurentdd>
grrrr
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<Guaraldo>
The worst option is doing manually each program... (ARGH!)
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<ogra>
laurentdd, totem uses gstreame, use gstreamer-properties to point it to the right output source (esd in case of old ltsp5 implementations, alsa for all newer ones)
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<ogra>
sbalneav, nfs4 doesnt like me ...
10:09* ogra needs to moan a bit
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<ogra>
i got it working now, but it doesnt support bind mounting of files on top of another file ... which somewhat forces me to put the whole of /etc into the tmpfs :(
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<ogra>
and its not faster at all...
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<vagrantc>
nfs v4 doesn't allow bind mounts? weird.
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<ogra>
well, i'm not sure i do everything right here
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but everything else works fine
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<vagrantc>
if you get a mount for / ... i don't see what you could be doing wrong.
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<ogra>
so i assume its a nfs4 limitation i read a lot hrrible stuff about nfs4 the last days
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nfs4 needs idmapd to map uids
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i need to start it in the initramfs and move mount the socket dir ...
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might be there gets soething lost along the way or something
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plain readonly nfsroot works bind mounting tmpfs works as well
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just the additional bind mount that points back to the original file doesnt
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/proc/mounts shows the file RW
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but if i echo anything into it it doesnt change
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anyway, since that forced me to tpmfs mount the whole of /etc i noticed that its actually faster to do it like that than bind mounting all these single files
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(it eats bout 2M though)
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<ogra>
vagrantc, got your travelling sorted ?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah right.
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<ogra>
when d you arrive ?
10:23* vagrantc was being sarcastic
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<ogra>
ah, k
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whats wrong ?
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<vagrantc>
ogra: it's looking better though ... i have a detailed itenarary and it's
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"held" whatever that means
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<ogra>
ah, so you already have dates :)
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<vagrantc>
but i had to "confirm" it still, and haven't confirmed my confirmation yet
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<ogra>
we were planning to meet up for dinner in the evening of the 2nd ...
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tsk
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<vagrantc>
well, i sent my confirmation
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<ogra>
i'm happy i did my booking alone this time ...
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the agents are good if you book 8 months in advance ... but who does that :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: in theory i'll get there on the 2nd at 11:45
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<ogra>
but indeed i need to thrust out ...
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ah, cool
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i'll arrive at 16:30
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<RandomBrown>
Anyone able to help with a PXE-T01 file not found error? I think it has to do with the pxelinux.0 file path in my windows dhcp settings, but I'm not sure.
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<Guaraldo>
RandomBrown: Did you verifyed? I mean the dhcp settings and the tftpd-ha settings???
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<pscheie>
morning all
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<Guaraldo>
hi, pscheie...
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<RandomBrown>
The client obtains its dhcp address from my windows dhcp server, and I've set the "boot server host name" and the path to the pxelinux.0 file in the configuration settings.
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not sure what the tftpd-ha settings are
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<ogra>
RandomBrown, on windows it will be called "Bootfile Name"
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(the tftp settings)
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the tftp server you point to must have that path you set available
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<RandomBrown>
So, my bootfile path is /etc/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0, I have to set my tftp server to that path as well?
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<ogra>
no you have to set the windows setting to what you actually see from the outside if you connect to your tftpd
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check your inetd settings what they define as chroot path for tftp ...
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<RandomBrown>
Can you clarify that? Where the inetd settings are?
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<ogra>
well, on my ubuntu systm they are in /etc/inetd.conf
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there i have a line for tftp
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<RandomBrown>
ok thanks, checking
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<ogra>
tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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the -s parameter sets the chroot ... my bootfiles are in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 ... so the outside world would see /ltsp/i386
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and thats what i woud have to set in windows (if i would use it)
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Bootfile Name: ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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<RandomBrown>
Ok, I have that same path in mine, let me try that
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<Gadi>
anyone know if linux-image-server supports >4GB RAM?
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or is that considered "bigiron"?
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<RandomBrown>
IT'S ALIVE! THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU
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<ogra>
-generic supports up to & now afaik ... -server up to 60 or so
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s/\&/4/
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err 6
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<Gadi>
thx, ogra
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ps: where's this multimedia codec wizard everybody keeps talking about?
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<laurentdd>
Guaraldo : Think you that the sound would go better with nas in the place of esd => SOUND_DAEMON = nasd
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<ogra>
bigiron supports sizes you cant imagine :)
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<Gadi>
:)
11:24* Gadi makes a terrible user
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<ogra>
5 TB or something similar weird
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<RandomBrown>
Thanks Ogra, take care
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<ogra>
dunno exactly, but it was horrendous :)
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<ogra>
RandomBrown, welcome :)
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<Gadi>
ogra: which is horrendous?
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the wizard?
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<ogra>
the amount of ram bigiron supports
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<Gadi>
ah
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<ogra>
the wizard is integrated in gstreamer ...
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its called libgimmecodec
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*g*
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(dont blame me for the name)
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<Gadi>
how do you run it?
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<bricode>
I'm playing with the Thin Client Manager Gui...
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It says you need x11vnc installed to view the thin client desktops. Ideas for a decent package?
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<ogra>
Gadi, no idea to be hinest i didt folow its development ... ther must be a spec in launchpad :)
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bricode, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
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<Gadi>
ogra: I see we both have time for the same things ;)
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<bricode>
Gadi: Just run a file where you'd need the codec.
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<Gadi>
or lack there of
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<ogra>
heh
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bricode, i guess he wanted implementation details ;)
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<sbalneav>
hey ogra, gadi
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<Gadi>
wait wait
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!s
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<ogra>
!s
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Gadi>
ah
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:D
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that was my first
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<sbalneav>
ogra: I'd like to create the "palm under ltsp" spec, best way to do that for Gutsy?
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<ogra>
its mean that it only highlights yourself but not sbalneav
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sbalneav, well, i suspect thats just some udev scripting magic ...
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should be trivial and easy to do
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<sbalneav>
right
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sure, which is why I'd like it in
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<ogra>
i want the ldm, hal localdev, and probably an nfs4 spec ...
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<sbalneav>
that and getting jpilotd installed in the chroot.
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<bricode>
Heh. Guess I didn't have the right repos enabled.
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<ogra>
i think we should leave the ltsp-profiling one to jim :)
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so he has something on his plate as well
11:29* Gadi would dump nfs4 in favor of sshfs
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<ogra>
Gadi, two totally different things
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nfs4 for /
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<sbalneav>
I guess my question is: i can create a spec, how to target for gutsy?
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<ogra>
sshfs for /home
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sbalneav, add it to the UDS
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<Gadi>
because / needs encryption? !
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<ogra>
"suggest for meeting"
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<sbalneav>
ok
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I'll try
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<ogra>
Gadi, some people want it ... nfs4 works fine without encryption, so i'd like to have nfs4 by default ad optionally the user can switch on encryption
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<bricode>
Pulseaudio in Feisty is pretty sweet.
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<Gadi>
ok. I'll put my sandwich for lunch in a cast-iron safe and lock it up tight, too
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;)
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<bricode>
Except that I can't get a USB audio device to work.
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<ogra>
bricode, not even if you boot with it plugged in ?
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<bricode>
Yeah, it detects it when plugged in on boot.
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<ogra>
alsa will currently only use the first device it detects
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<bricode>
Just can't seem to direct the audio to the pipe
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<ogra>
if thats the internal card it will use that one ... i'm planning some udev magic for the future here, but not sure i'll get around it for gutsy
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<bricode>
There's an internal card, but also want the option of a USB headset. Am I asking too much? :)
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<ogra>
for feisty you do .. :)
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<bricode>
Humm. Gotcha :)
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<ogra>
you could blacklist the module for the internal card in the chroot
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<bricode>
Tricky.
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<ogra>
bt indeed that will blacklist it on all your clients
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not really ...
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<bricode>
I've got a mix of clients that will need it, and some that won't.
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<ogra>
boot the client, find out the module name and put it into the chroots /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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hmm, should put an option for a custom pulse config in place for gutsy ...
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thats easy to achieve and would help in your case
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<bricode>
I think there may be a work around..please hold.
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<bricode>
paman is where it's at.
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<ogra>
well, ltsp doesnt use the config files of pulse ...
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paman will only set confg file settings
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<bricode>
Humm.
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<ogra>
indeed if you know that its always exactly the same you can do runtime settings thorough rc.local ...
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ans forcefully switch puse to the device you want it to use
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*pulse
11:49* gvy . o O ( pulsy cat )
11:50* gvy is away: ~
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: I was invited to write an article to a Student Congress... There is an area of Social Development... I thought about be writing something on LTSP Social spec...
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sbalneav: When its done I will translate... May be usefull in any way, don't you think?
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<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Yes!
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<pscheie>
sbalneav: are you still going to be able to come down for NCLS June 14/15?
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<sbalneav>
Let me check the magic 8 ball.
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"All signs point to yes"
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<pscheie>
does that work for predicting the future of ltsp?
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or rather, what does it say for the future of ltsp?
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<sbalneav>
Hmmm
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<pscheie>
btw, your drive should be about 20 minutes shorter, as we're up on the north side of town this year
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<sbalneav>
"Outlook good"
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<pscheie>
but then we're that much further from downtown and jammcq wants to go to brazillian steakhouse that just opened downtown
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<ogra>
sbalneav, it dosnt have "world domination" ?
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<pscheie>
old version of magic 8 ball?
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<jammcq>
it's prolly running WinCE
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Magic 8 ball says:
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"It is certain."
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<ogra>
:)
13:28* jammcq just saw the pricing for Ubuntu-Live. Seems rather pricey
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<sbalneav>
I need to make an 8ball plugin for ltspbot
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<pscheie>
NCLS is much cheaper
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(perhaps not as interesting, tho)
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<jammcq>
heh
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<pscheie>
but we have better speakers!
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s/interesting/popular/
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<jammcq>
pscheie: I'm fairly certain I'll be there. the only question at this point is whether I'll be coming from Mt.View, or from Home
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<pscheie>
cool!
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we'll have scouts look both east and west to watch for your arrival
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<jammcq>
it'll be obvious
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I'll be hanging out the window of the plane, waving
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<pscheie>
we'll wave back
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turnout should be bigger than last year, bunch of people from various local colleges have already signed up
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jammcq: why wouldn't you be coming from Mt. View?
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<jammcq>
cuz I haven't figured out whether it's worth it to go to DAM-4
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<ogra>
for the food ?
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<jammcq>
yeah
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<ogra>
and corn made plates :)
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<jammcq>
heh
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq and food... a great affair... :-D
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<pscheie>
oh; DAM seems very relevant to ltsp--or maybe not so much?
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<Guaraldo>
Hey, jammcq, you and food love ecach other, no?
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ops... ecach = each
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I love food too... Pizza is my favorite...
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Oh!, i'm not fat cuz bad things does't come fat... :-D
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<jammcq>
Guaraldo: let's just say we get along real well
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<pscheie>
will DAM cover such things as better network-transparent sound?
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or does Pulse cover that sufficiently already?
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<jammcq>
pscheie: yes, we'll cover that at DAM
13:41* Guaraldo is really bad when want to be... :-D
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<pscheie>
seems ironic, that video, which is older, is transparent, but audio is much less so
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Wasn't DAM originally organized by Lindows/Linspire?
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<jammcq>
no
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that was the Desktop Consortium, or something like that
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DAM was originally part of OSDL
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and now the Linux Foundation
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<Gadi>
hey: any word on feistyLTSP + Flash?
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has it been tested to work with pulse?
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<cliebow__>
*
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<bricode>
Gadi: I would test flash+pulse except I installed the 64 bit Ubuntu version.
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Flash doesn't play well with 64bit.
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Gadi: err, I mean FeistyLTSP and flash.
14:07* bricode flashes Gadi.
14:07* Gadi blushes
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<bricode>
I gave up on Pulse+Ekiga. Fatty install here I come.
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<cliebow_>
sbalneav: what filetype should a stick be..fat16(4) or 32 (c)
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<sbalneav>
Usually 32, if it's a larger stick
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<cliebow_>
ok..cant tell if it is hosed or i am
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<lns>
Has anyone done the upgrade from Ubuntu Edgy to Feisty 64-bit on the server w/32-bit clients?
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<gonzaloaf_work>
hi, is it possible that my clients play sound through their own sound cards?
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ltsp5 btw
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<lns>
gonzaloaf_laptop, yes, i believe this is a big feature with ltsp5
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gonzaloaf_work, sorry
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<gonzaloaf_work>
lns, ????
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<lns>
gonzaloaf_work, you asked about sound with ltsp5
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i said gonzaloaf_laptop, yes, i believe this is a big feature with ltsp5
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<gonzaloaf_work>
yep, but no information
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<cliebow>
!sound
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<lns>
it's actually pretty well documented online
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well i thought it was anyway =p
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edit your lts.conf file and add SOUND = Y
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and apparently you need an ltsp-sound package (if it's not already installed)
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<cliebow>
lns:for 4.2
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5 is another beast altogether
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<lns>
cliebow, is that for the sound package, or both?
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<sutula>
How does one find out which version they are using? (The Debian/Ubuntu package lists diff versions on the packages than the ltsp they end up installing.
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<cliebow>
sutula, yopu may foind a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/version
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<sutula>
cliebow: Darn...not there...I wasn't paying enough attention to what version the build script went out and grabbed
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<cliebow>
how about dpkg -l|grep ltsp-server
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<sutula>
cliebow: 0.99debian11 ....that's the problem...I don't know how to correlate that to 4.2 or 5
18:30* sutula got the source but didn't find obvious clues in the changelog either
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<cliebow>
well it surely is ltsp5
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<sutula>
cliebow: k, I'm haphazardly watching conversation here trying to get clues about how to get sound working, but haven't invested enough time to figure it all out :)
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cliebow: Most of the documentation is for straight ltsp (from the tarball), but I'm trying to stick with the Debian/Ubuntu package for maintainability and so far, sound hasn't "just worked" (on Debian)
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<cliebow>
but i dont know how far vagrantc got...
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i dont know of anything else for it but to talakt o ogra very late edt or on the morning since he is in germanay
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talk to
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<sutula>
cliebow: Thanks for the suggestions
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<cliebow>
best of luck...it is all so new.nothing has settled out yet
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<jammcq>
!s
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
dude, how's it goin?
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<sbalneav>
Doing ok!
22:03
Thought I'd see what all the fuss was about, and load up kubuntu on this AMD64
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<jammcq>
and... ?
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<sbalneav>
Well, at this point I'm feeling a little overwhelmed
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Right now, I'm trying to find where I'd change the monitor frequency
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<jammcq>
oh
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hmm
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<sbalneav>
I've got a bit of jitter on the display.
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<sbalneav>
On gnome, I'd go into "display resolution". Still hunting here on KDE
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<sbalneav>
Apparently, there's no gui way to do it. xorg.conf editing time :)
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