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Channel log from 13 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:03* Ryan52 marks pages of these stupid dfsg debian threads as read and sighs a sigh of relief
00:07* vagrantc pushes ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk
00:10
<vagrantc>
xinitrc.d that's backwards compatible, and about 1/5th the code.
00:11
well, the xinitrc.d isn't backwards compatible, but it doesn't break if it's missing
00:11
<johnny>
lol..
00:12
Ryan52, what was that like?
00:17
<sbalneav>
Ryan52: OK, gimme a couple of seconds to pull/merge/push
00:18
it detects the ssh going away now due to bad password.
00:20* johnny attacks sbalneav
00:20
<johnny>
good going gent
00:20
dberkholz, btw.. genkernel is going to have funionfs-fuse
00:20
now i just need to get that silly boy to include a network module config for us
00:20
then we might be able to actually make a release!
00:22
<sbalneav>
johnny: Why attack me?
00:22
Ryan52: pushed.
00:22
<vagrantc>
what was the change in ltsp that required a new ldm ?
00:22
<johnny>
sbalneav, you rock.. :)
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<vagrantc>
tried old ldm with newish ltsp, and no screen came up
00:24
ah yes, the DISP -> DISP
00:24
ah yes, the DISP -> DISPLAY change
00:25
<dberkholz>
johnny: good deal.
00:25
<sbalneav>
Well, I'm fairly happy with this.
00:25
<dberkholz>
johnny: gotta find somewhere to put ISOs too. i could probably just get 'em on the gentoo bittorrent tracker, but it would be nice to have something http/ftp
00:25
<johnny>
isos ?
00:29
<sbalneav>
OK
00:29
<johnny>
gentoo needs a new release with the new portage stable..
00:29
that'll solve most of the problems
00:29
<sbalneav>
That's enough coding out of me tonight.
00:29
I'm off to bed. Night all.
00:29
<johnny>
yeah.. that's enough lacck of sleep for me too
00:29
dberkholz, it's 1:38.. i gotta hit the sack
00:30
<Ryan52>
sbalneav, thanks for fixing that!
00:31
<vagrantc>
would folks object if i added a DISP="$DISPLAY" to screen-x-common upstream, or should i just patch debian packages only?
00:32* Ryan52 wonders why anybody would care
00:33
<vagrantc>
well, they cared enough to change it at all, and there seems to be a backlash against backwards compatibility.
00:33
sbalneav: you're burning it up with ldm!
01:04
anyone know about ltsp-trunk/localapps/iptables.sh ?
01:04
what's it doing there?
01:09
<Ryan52>
if I were guessing, I would say that the thin clients need to access the internet if you run firefox as a localapp
01:09
and this is intended for people who have 2 interfaces on their ltsp server: internet and local network.
01:09
makes sense to me.
01:11
<vagrantc>
ah, sure.
01:19
night all
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04:41
<ogra>
http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/11/arm-and-ubuntu-to-join-forces-in-the-netbook-world
04:42* ogra dances :)
04:42
<ogra>
arm thinclients, here we come !
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05:18
<cliebow>
cool1
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07:25
<stgraber>
Any problem with me tagging a new ldm and ltsp ?
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07:29
<stgraber>
done
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08:34
<chrisinajar>
good morning
08:35
<Q-FUNK>
'evening
08:35
<pscheie>
morning chrisinajar
08:39
<cliebow_>
woooo!
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08:49
<Q-FUNK>
sandwich ingredient spotted.
08:52
<stgraber>
moin
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08:58
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:58* ogra waves poking around with arm ...
08:58
<ogra>
http://www.arm.com/news/23761.html
08:59
yay for beagleboard thin clients :)
08:59* sbalneav punches ogra's arm
08:59
<sbalneav>
PunchBuggy Blue!
08:59
<ogra>
ouch :)
08:59
<sbalneav>
No Returns
08:59
Do they play punchbuggy in Germany?
08:59
Probably not, I'd expect/
09:00
<ogra>
very likely called differently :)
09:00
<sbalneav>
Know what it is?
09:00
<ogra>
nope
09:01
<sbalneav>
Every time you see a Volkswagon Beetle, you scream "PunchBuggy <colour of the VW you see>" and punch the other persons arm.
09:01
Stupid game kids play.
09:02* sbalneav wonders how you'd translate "punchbuggy" in German.
09:02
<ogra>
we dont, but we have that game, yes :)
09:03
we just say "<color> beetle !" *punch*
09:03
well, we dont say beetle here, but thats literally ho it translates :)
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09:07
<sbalneav>
What do you say? Just "Volkswagen"? Gimme the actual German word! Enquiring minds want to know.
09:08
<ogra>
Käfer
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<ogra>
thats beetle in german
09:09
<Guevara>
hi, everybody
09:10
someone has enabled wearable in ltsp?
09:10
<warren>
I have a LTSP sweatshirt
09:10
<Guevara>
I want to enable the usb thinclients
09:10* ogra has several
09:10
<Guevara>
I installed a PCI card in thinclient
09:11
<ogra>
you wuld have to be careful to not stumble over the ethernet cable all the time
09:11
<warren>
my internet is delivered through a lead tube
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09:11
<ogra>
geez, that limits your radius a lot with wearble clients :P
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09:12
<ogra>
like ... lying on the back on the floor next to the outlet :)
09:12
but might be healthy for your back though
09:12
<warren>
until I get lead poisoning
09:12
<sbalneav>
Huh, he left
09:12
<Q-FUNK>
I want to enable hotpluggable estonian chick devices.
09:13
<warren>
...?
09:13
<sbalneav>
I hear the Internet isn't a dumptruck, but rather, a series of tubes.
09:13
Warren's method of getting the internet confirms this.
09:13
<warren>
sbalneav: do you have foreign policy experience dealing with Alaska?
09:14
<johnny>
he can see alaska from his house
09:14
<ogra>
john mccain has :) ask him
09:14
<sbalneav>
Well, I can't see it from my doorstep, :)
09:14
But, I *HAVE* actually been there!
09:14
<ogra>
though i heard the export he go was buggy
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09:18
<sbalneav>
ogra: so, last night, not only did we get all of Warren's and Vagrant's bugs hammered out, but also a crasher bug, AND, we made timeouts for failed passwords much smaller.
09:18
so yay for us.
09:18
<warren>
building now
09:19
<ogra>
cool
09:19
!
09:19
<stgraber>
warren: using the one I tagged this morning ?
09:21
<warren>
yes
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09:22* ogra twiddles thumbs waiting for gt clone to finish
09:23
<ogra>
*git even
09:24
tsk, and people complain that bzr is slow
09:24* ogra shakes head
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09:26
<warren>
what are you gitting?
09:27
<ogra>
linux
09:27
since 3h
09:27
<warren>
You just don't git it.
09:27
<ogra>
well, linux-omap
09:27
thats a lot smaller
09:27
there is no tgz of it :P
09:27
<warren>
There is no seed to download?
09:27
Well, git with it!
09:27
<ogra>
yeah, seems i have to
09:27
<johnny>
warren!
09:28
<ogra>
geez, its done !
09:28
<johnny>
my fedora10 setup is going well..
09:28* ogra didnt expect that anymore
09:28
<warren>
johnny: 32 or 64bit?
09:28
<johnny>
32
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<johnny>
my 64bit is gentoo
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09:36
<sbalneav>
cat /proc/mounts | awk '$3 == "fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon" { print $2 }' | xargs -L 1 umount
09:36
If you want a nice little one liner that umounts gvfs mounts before you do a backup. :)
09:37
Hmmm, could be made shorter....
09:39
awk '$3 ~ /gvfs/ { print $2 }' /proc/mounts | xargs -L 1 umount
09:39
I love the xargs command.
09:40
Over the years, I've gotten more useful work done with a combo of awk and xargs than I have with just about any other tools.
09:41
<johnny>
i like find..
09:41
<Q-FUNK>
gawk
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09:42
<jammcq>
good morning #ltsp
09:42* vagrantc waves
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<Q-FUNK>
goooooooooooooooooooood 'evening LDM!
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09:44
<Q-FUNK>
elvis graton on the deck?
09:47
<johnny>
warren, looks like i finally broke it :)
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09:47
<johnny>
rpmdb: Thread/process 30604/3086366400 failed: Thread died in Berkeley DB library
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<warren>
johnny: you are special.
09:48
johnny: what were you doing when it exploded?
09:48
<johnny>
yum update?
09:48
oh.. i killed packagekit .. when it was hanging
09:48
<warren>
try rebooting and see if it happens again
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: you seem to have an off by one error with your commit message version and the actual version you've committed more than once now :)
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09:54* vagrantc notes the commit logs for ltsp-5.1.28 and ldm-2.0.18 look funny
09:56* vagrantc goes tarball hunting
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09:58
<stgraber>
vagrantc: oh ? I just bzr pulled, updated the release.conf, commited, tagged and pushed. What's wrong ?
09:58
<vagrantc>
stgraber: your commit message :)
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: argh, I hate copy/paste :)
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10:03
<stgraber>
want me to fix it ? (I can uncommit, re-commit and push+overwrite to change it)
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<rjune>
chrisinajar: ping
10:04
<vagrantc>
stgraber: that'd be even more evil :)
10:05
<stgraber>
vagrantc: hmm, yeah, I'm not sure what'd do bzr if it sees I change a commit message and you try to push a new revision :)
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10:07
<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq
10:08
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:10
<vagrantc>
i just realised that the tab fixes for ldm actually broke a behavior i was used to- tabbing over to "Login as Guest"
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10:13
<rjune>
http://graphjam.com/2008/11/12/song-chart-memes-us-political-belief/
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10:14
<warren>
drill baby drill?
10:14
<chrisinajar>
rjune: oh hey :)
10:15
<rjune>
chrisinajar: pass a message to warran for me?\
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10:16
<chrisinajar>
rjune sure, they're in indiana right now in fact :)
10:16
<rjune>
yeah, but they're way south of me
10:16
I'm almost to the MI border
10:16
<chrisinajar>
awe, that's too bad
10:17
well you should go visit them :-P
10:17
anyway, what was the message for relaying?
10:18
<rjune>
I don't have anything more concrete then that
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10:24
<pscheie>
What exactly would break if one were to copy /opt/ltsp/i386 from an ltsp 5 installation to a 4.2 installation?
10:27
<johnny>
it wouldn't work unless you had the supporting packages on teh server side
10:27
ldminfo and friends
10:28
<pscheie>
oh, right, I forgot all about ldm; duh
10:29
<johnny>
and the ltsp-server package
10:30
that'll fix it up
10:30
then it wouldn't be 4.2 anymore..
10:30
but at that point.. you should really just build your chroot
10:31
<pscheie>
right, getting the 4.2 to a point where it would support the 5 chroot is probably more work than just starting over with 5
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10:55* warren did builds... testing
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10:57
<nubae>
johnny: I uploaded a new fatclient script with fixes... if u had a moment, would u mind testing?
10:59
<johnny>
if i go down to the store, i will
10:59
think you can move the installted packages into a set of variables at the top?
11:00
would make it easier to customize
11:00
<vagrantc>
warren: you'll need to add ltsp-trunk/ltsp-common-functions to your ltsp-server package
11:01
i made that change last night to strip the debian-isms out of gadi's xinitrc.d stuff
11:01
we already had a function in the server/plugins
11:01
<ogra>
gadi does debianisms ?
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<ogra>
he should rather do ubuntuisms :P
11:02
<vagrantc>
well, the issue is inherrited from debian :)
11:02
<ogra>
:)
11:03
<warren>
vagrantc: damn
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<dberkholz>
johnny: there will be a 2.1.6 with EAPI=2 shortly, if that's what you're looking for
11:07
<johnny>
no.. the automatic blocker resolution
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11:07
<johnny>
afaik that wasn't part of EAPI 2
11:08
<warren>
vagrantc: thanks for the warning
11:08
<johnny>
could be wrong ..
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<warren>
vagrantc: perhaps we should institute a rule of a standard string to put into commit comments to alert packagers
11:08
<johnny>
e2fs stuff is screwed out of stage3
11:08
<vagrantc>
warren: sounds like a good idea.
11:08
warren: the DIST: stuff has gone fairly well
11:08
<johnny>
so.. atm.. i'm keywording 2.2
11:08
<warren>
what DIST: stuff?
11:09
<vagrantc>
warren: Debian: blah blah, Fedora: blah blah
11:09
<warren>
except when people don't follow it
11:09
<vagrantc>
it's followed more often than not
11:09
<ogra>
do we have that often ?
11:09
<warren>
what often?
11:09
<ogra>
right, i would think the same
11:09
<warren>
how about:
11:10
PACKAGER: New common script foo/bar/something-common should be installed in /usr/share/ltsp/something-common in the server package.
11:10
PACKAGER tags should effect more than one distro, so you can begin the line with it?
11:10
<ogra>
PACKAGER wont tell you easily what distro its for
11:10
<warren>
that's OK
11:11
<ogra>
not for non ltsp folks looking at it
11:11
<warren>
Most PACKAGER entries effect everyone. a few don't, and I'll just ignore.
11:11* ogra really likes the distro prefix
11:11
<warren>
ogra: distro prefix comes when you do your own distro-specific changes
11:11
PACKAGER usually effects everyone
11:11
but doesn't need to
11:12
<vagrantc>
hmm...
11:12
<warren>
i'm fine reading a few that don't effect me
11:12
<ogra>
oh, you mean as addition
11:12
<warren>
yes
11:12
<vagrantc>
what about "Packaging: " ?
11:12
<ogra>
ah
11:12* ogra thought replacement
11:12
<vagrantc>
"Packaging change:"
11:12
<warren>
vagrantc: I like the bold because it grabs attention...
11:12
<vagrantc>
warren: hm.
11:12
<warren>
PACKAGING:
11:13
the distro tags are not bold, and that's fine
11:14
<alkisg>
nubae, in http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid where you talk about nfs, should it be 'cat "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)" >> /etc/exports' or *echo*?
11:14
<ogra>
tee :)
11:14
<warren>
vagrantc: I don't care what words... although I would prefer bold fort his
11:14
PACKAGING: Describe what packagers need to do here.
11:14
<ogra>
echo "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)"|sudo tee -a /etc/exports
11:14
<warren>
OK?
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<alkisg>
ogra, ty! :)
11:15
<vagrantc>
warren: i'm not thrilled with the BOLD... but whatever. :)
11:15
warren: of course, i'm but one voice.
11:15* ogra would like it a bit shorter
11:15
<ogra>
PKG:
11:15
<warren>
that's fine with me
11:15
better hope a distro named PKG doesn't join
11:15
<ogra>
heh
11:16
we can change if they show up :)
11:16
<vagrantc>
PKG: works for me.
11:16
short enough that the bold doesn't hurt.
11:16
<ogra>
right
11:16
<warren>
OK, let's announce this.
11:17
happens rarely anyway
11:17
<ogra>
and doesnt eat all screen space in different bzr UIs
11:17
<warren>
brb lunch
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<nubae>
alkisg: cat :-)
11:20
does it say echo?
11:21
johnny: good suggestion, will do
11:21
<alkisg>
nubae, sure??? !!! It says cat, but is this correct?!!!
11:22
<sbalneav>
No, should be echo
11:22
<nubae>
yah... doh, mindslip
11:22
<ogra>
cat only operates on files
11:22
<sbalneav>
cat "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)" will try to open a file called "/home 192......"
11:22
<Q-FUNK>
on mice too
11:23
<sbalneav>
which, unless by some amazing chance of serendipity, you don't likely have on your box.
11:23
<nubae>
:-) the thing is doesnt give an error message either
11:24
<sbalneav>
root@feniks:~# cat "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)" >> /etc/exports
11:24
cat: /home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async): No such file or directory
11:24
root@feniks:~#
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<alkisg>
nubae, a fellow teacher wants to install fat clients in his lab, this is the way to do it, right?
11:24
<nubae>
nubae@homeserve:~$ cat 'hello' > hello.txt
11:24
no error messgae
11:24
<sbalneav>
ls -l hello
11:25
<nubae>
right :D creates hello
11:25
oh well, changing that now... I can tell no one has used the howto... heh
11:26
<sbalneav>
What, you mean people don't read the documentation we write for them?
11:26* sbalneav *monicle
11:27
<nubae>
monicle?
11:27
<sbalneav>
Whoops, monocle, I mean
11:27
1 sec
11:27
<ogra>
grrr
11:27* ogra restarts his linux-omap build
11:28
<sbalneav>
http://images.imabearmeow.com/comics/monocle.jpg
11:28
I'm so shocked and surprised my Monocle popped out :)
11:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
I thought a monocle was required dress for this channel
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<nubae>
hehe ok
11:29
alkisg: yeah thats what they should use, its fixed now
11:29
<alkisg>
nubae, thanks
11:29
<nubae>
I've not tested for hardy... I believe that would require tweaking
11:29
<alkisg>
(see? someones does read your documentation... :))
11:29
<nubae>
intrepid works fine for me though, but some extra testing wouldnt hurt
11:30
lol, actually I just looked at the blog and someone else just commented on the script
11:30
<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: Monocles, top hats, canes containing either dualling swords or small flasks of brandy are all required dress for #ltsp
11:30
We're very highbrow here, you know.
11:30
<nubae>
@g define:red hat
11:30
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11:30
<nubae>
hmmm
11:31
used to define the type of hat
11:31
velora I believe
11:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: Absolutely. Alex was appalled to learn that his two-button-suit-wearing-self was turned away from "ltsp by the sea"'s main ballroom due to the fact that he was not, in fact, wearing a tuxedo.
11:32* ogra raises a brow and notes that sbalneav isnt wearing his tuxedo today
11:34* _UsUrPeR_ shuns Scott's low-brow appearance.
11:41
<sbalneav>
How do YOU know I'm not wearing a tuxedo.
11:41
Proof, please :)
11:42* sbalneav posits Schrodingers Tuxedo problem
11:42
<ogra>
i saw your norwegian sweater mirrored in your monocle when you took it out
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<sbalneav>
Currently, my dress is a wave function representing "Wearing Tuxedo|Naked"
11:43
To you REALLY want to look in the box? :)
11:43* ogra covers his eyes
11:43
<sbalneav>
I stand vindicated.
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<sbalneav>
QED, I'm wearing a tuxedo.
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11:45
<filo1234>
hi all, how can i create user on LTSP server? simply wind adduser newuser?
11:45* vagrantc scrounges up an earth-tone tuxedo at the thrift shoppe
11:46
<filo1234>
wind/with
11:46
<ogra>
yes
11:46
<warren>
vagrantc: you are becoming a suit?
11:46
<filo1234>
ogra: yes is for me?
11:46
<ogra>
yes
11:46
:)
11:47* _UsUrPeR_ is wearing two suits, one on top of the other.
11:47
<filo1234>
ogra: ok :)
11:47* ogra prefers waring a bathcoat :)
11:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
two suits = one tuxedo
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<warren>
ogra: Canonical dress code?
11:48
I think here they just prefer that we wear pants.
11:48
<filo1234>
ogra: But should not stand in /opt/ltsp/i386/home
11:49
?
11:49
<vagrantc>
warren: no, just wearing one until it's threadbare
11:49
<johnny>
filo1234, no
11:49
<ogra>
warren, pants ? thats overdressed :)
11:50* _UsUrPeR_ *monocles*
11:50
<filo1234>
johnny: ok thanks
11:50
<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, *only* monocles ?
11:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: I am surprised myself. My top hat remains intact!
11:51
<ogra>
heh
11:51* _UsUrPeR_ belatedly *tophats*
11:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, there it goes
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I have a question pertaining to a virtual desktop environment. Could someone take a look at the following image and tell me what I have done wrong? I want to upper and lower panels to be at the top and bottom of the virtual desktop, not the top and bottom of my monitor's max resolution. The desktop also is keeping the icons to the right... I can't drag them over or anything :|
12:03
here's the image: http://twiki.acurrus.com/desktop.png
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<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
hi all
12:05
good evening
12:06
i need help with ltsp 5 server and server pa-risc hppa 64 bit
12:06
the installation of ltsp-server in debian etch is ok
12:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
lovely: what's going on? I'll throw my top hat and monocle in the ring...
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<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
but when i do ltsp-build-client , initializing download and at the end do error for chroot
12:08
it download all /opt/ltsp/i386 but can't do chroot
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<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
i try to do ltsp-build-client --arch hppa and lo /opt/ltsp/hppa and i can chroot in
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but the client doesn't work with hppa
12:09
it's a buG?
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<vagrantc>
whoah.
12:10
LoVeLyPeRVeRT: is the server an hppa server?
12:10
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
yes
12:10
with debian etch
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<vagrantc>
we dropped support for anything but i386, amd64 and powerpc for lenny ...
12:11
though i've added back in support in experimental ...
12:11
though i have no hardware to test on.
12:11
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
k
12:12
<vagrantc>
LoVeLyPeRVeRT: as far as i know, you're the first tester for hppa :)
12:12
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
:)
12:12
<vagrantc>
you have hppa thin clients?
12:12
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
no, the client is i386 , i use ltsp but with i386 and it work
12:13
but i have this monster of hppa and i would use it
12:13
<ogra>
find a i386 machine to built the clent chroot
12:13
then copy it over
12:13
<vagrantc>
what ogra says
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<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
:) lol ok
12:13
i try
12:13
<vagrantc>
LoVeLyPeRVeRT: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian should explain it briefly
12:14* ogra looks forward to adding arm patches :)
12:14
<johnny>
if it's all binary, why does it need to be built on another machine?
12:14
<vagrantc>
ogra: you got any arm thin clients?
12:14
<johnny>
been meaning to ask this for awhile..
12:14
vagrantc, beagleboard :)
12:14
<vagrantc>
johnny: because the process depends on being able to chroot into it
12:14
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
thin client is i386 (pentium 2
12:14
<ogra>
vagrantc, http://www.mistralsolutions.com/business_divisons/omap_3evm.php
12:14
vagrantc, though thats not what i'd recommend as TC
12:14
<chrisinajar>
johnny: because binary is built different on the different archs, so the archs can't read the same binaries at all...
12:15
<ogra>
vagrantc, but http://beagleboard.org/ i just perfect
12:15
<johnny>
read them? aha
12:15
<ogra>
*is
12:15
vagrantc, http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/11/arm-and-ubuntu-to-join-forces-in-the-netbook-world
12:15
we support arm since today \o/
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<Q-FUNK>
yup :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: well, i attempted to port the network booting code from debian-installer/debian-cd
12:16
<ogra>
and with qemu its totally easy to build TC chroots
12:16
<vagrantc>
ogra: so it's there.
12:16
<ogra>
yeah
12:16
<vagrantc>
i've been playing with qemu-system-arm, but haven't had the best of luck ...
12:16
weird stalls and such
12:17
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
ok i read this It is possible to host multiple architectures on a single server, though
12:17
usually this requires building the client chroot on the same architecture, and
12:17
then copy the /opt/ltsp/ARCH directory onto the NFS server.
12:17
<vagrantc>
and i don't know how to netboot with qemu-system-arch
12:17
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
now i try
12:17
<chrisinajar>
LoVeLyPeRVeRT: that is indeed possible.
12:17
<ogra>
vagrantc, never tried that, but will
12:17
<vagrantc>
ogra: whee :)
12:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
has anyone seen my top hat and monocle? I threw them in the ring, went to the bathroom, and they're gone now...
12:19
<ogra>
johnny, half way through building the client the script chroots into the client root and does its stuff ... if the binar executable format doesnt match that breaks
12:19
<chrisinajar>
has anyone gotten an iMac PowerPC G5 to netboot before?
12:19
<vagrantc>
gotta head to work
12:19
<chrisinajar>
I can get most macs to do it, but not this one...
12:19
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
azz, my i386 is ubuntu, my server is debian...can i have trouble?
12:19
<chrisinajar>
_UsUrPeR_: no, but your cane is over there
12:19* chrisinajar points
12:20
<chrisinajar>
next BTS is going to have a dress code...
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<warren>
ogra: does Ubuntu 8.10 output all sound through pulseaudio before it gets to ALSA?
12:34
<ogra>
afaik, yes
12:34
<warren>
k
12:34
<ogra>
not all sound, all sound in a session
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<warren>
ogra: do you ship the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio (might have a different package name) that tells alsa that pulseaudio is the default alsa device?
12:35
<ogra>
yep
12:35
<warren>
what is the package name called in ubuntu?
12:35
<ogra>
libasound2-plugins
12:35
<warren>
/etc/alsa/pulse-default.conf
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/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
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/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
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/etc/alsa/pulse-default.conf
12:35
<ogra>
(though it might have changed, i didnt touch the normal distro in 8.10)
12:35
<warren>
contains stuff like that?
12:36
<ogra>
ogra@osiris:/var/build/omap/linux-omap-2.6$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
12:36
libasound2-plugins: /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
12:36
<warren>
ok excellent
12:36
<ogra>
note that gdm plays a sound that goes directly through alsa
12:36
fo ra11y reasons
12:36
*for a11y
12:37
pulse gets started with the user session after login
12:37
ubuntu is fully accessible, from CD boot on, these parts dont use pulse
12:38
<warren>
yeah, exacctly the same as us
12:38
<ogra>
i.e. CD bootoptions use festival directly
12:38
through alsa
12:39
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
can i build with ubuntu and then use with debian etch?
12:39
<ogra>
or something like that
12:39
LoVeLyPeRVeRT, i dont think anyone every tested that, but it might work
12:39
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
now i try and then i saw
12:39
<ogra>
though etch is *very* old
12:40
<LoVeLyPeRVeRT>
lenny is up now?
12:40
<ogra>
might be that a relatively recent ubuntu requires features the etch doesnt offer
12:40
not yet, but near i think
12:40
<jammcq>
ogra: hey, I need your help to convince scotty to visit UDS for a day
12:41
<ogra>
i'll pay him a beer
12:41
and wont complain if he comes without tuxedo
12:41
<jammcq>
heh
12:41
<ogra>
but he needs to brin the monocle
12:41
*bring
12:41
<jammcq>
he's prolly got one
12:41
<ogra>
heh
12:41
sbalneav, you *have* to come
12:41
no way around that
12:42
<stgraber>
+1
12:43
<jammcq>
ah, peer pressure, I love it
12:43
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_, there's a "panning" option in nvidia settings that I think does what you're looking for
12:43
<stgraber>
we need scotty, there really wasn't enough LTSP dev in Prague (at least the few days I attended)
12:44
<ogra>
yeah
12:44
definately
12:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: thanks, I'll check on that
12:47
<alkisg>
It produces: Option "metamodes" "1280x800 @2000x1000 +0+0"
12:47
<Lns>
ogra: did you have a lot to do with the decision to port Ubuntu to Arm? That's pretty awesome news =)
12:48
<ogra>
Lns, its one of my main work areas atm, i didnt make any decisions though, we just react to customer requests :)
12:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: metamodes eh?
12:49* _UsUrPeR_ googles the rest
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<Lns>
ogra: that's cool. I'm glad to see Ubuntu starting to support different architectures. I've always thought that was one of Debian's strong points.
12:49
<stgraber>
ogra: btw, I'm almost done with packaging all the changes in LTSP. Next step is making sure our init script is up to date and finding a better way to follow upstream changes (dpatch ?)
12:50
<ogra>
dpatch sounds fine ...
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<ogra>
Lns, we have ports for hpa, ia64, sparc, ppc and ppc64
12:51
*hppa
12:51
since ubuntu exists
12:52
<Lns>
..and now arm =)
12:52
<warren>
pscheie: soon, maybe this week time to spin the final K12Linux F9
12:52
<stgraber>
well, only i386, amd64 and lpia are supported architectures for now (I guess arm will be too) but all packages build on all archs
12:52
<warren>
pscheie: let's update the doc package
12:53
<stgraber>
only difference is that we don't need the ports to be done building all packages to rebuild
12:53
<warren>
pscheie: i'll use whatever you have in a few days, add stuff if necessary and go with it
12:53
<stgraber>
s/rebuild/release/
12:54
<pscheie>
warren, ok
12:55
<Lns>
For a non-programmer like me, would it be sane to believe that the more architectures your packages support, the (generally) better quality the code is overall (since you have to conform to so many different archs) ? Or is that just a bad assumption? "Better quality code" meaning a very general sense in the term, relating to architecture-specific stability anyway
12:55
<warren>
pscheie: if you could update the text to better explain the "DEMO or INSTALL" part at the top, that would be good.
12:56
<pscheie>
warren, do you need it before the end of the weekend?
12:56
<warren>
pscheie: yes
12:56
pscheie: if you're time crunched, could you at least fix that one screenshot where the wrong thing is highlighted?
12:56
pscheie: I can fix the text
12:56
<pscheie>
yes, already did that
12:57
<warren>
could you send the updated image to the list?
12:57
any updated text as well
12:57
<stgraber>
Lns: it's usually true but that's mainly for the core system and core libraries, softwares themselves usually build correctly if they don't fail building on 64bit
12:58
Lns: usually the problem is things like kernel/grub/usplash/libc
12:58
<pscheie>
warren, yes, but I probably won't be able to get to it until tomorrow night; got an upgrade at work going on tonight
12:58
<warren>
pscheie: np.
12:58
<pscheie>
won't be home until late, and it's all on my laptop, from BTS
12:59
I did add some text to the wiki trying to explain installing vs. demoing
12:59
not sure how well it explains it to the uninitiated, tho.
12:59
<Lns>
stgraber: cool. =)
13:01
<cliebow_>
chrisinajar, i guess i could try booting an xserve as a client..abot all i ahve sides ibooks
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<warren>
pscheie: any instruction is better than no instructions
13:01
<pscheie>
warren, regarding Patrice's comment that the section on adding a user should be in another doc or a link to the Fedora manual, I'm reluctant to change it because I was trying to make the document self-inclusive, although I see his point
13:02
but perhaps it should be changed (?)
13:02
<warren>
pscheie: that document needs to explain how to add a user, becuase you can't test it after setup without one
13:02
This is only a "quick start guide"
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<pscheie>
warren, perhaps that would be a better name for it
13:03
<warren>
pscheie: yeah, go ahead and rename the titles and stuff
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<pscheie>
I could contain a link to a document on the web about creating users, but what if someone is trying it without an internet link?
13:04
uncommon perhaps, but possible
13:04
besides, it's already in there, so I think I'll leave it.
13:05
<warren>
just make sure the top of the document says explicitly, this is only a quick start guide
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<warren>
with a link to the home page for more
13:05
<pscheie>
yeah, I like that idea
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<vagrantc>
hrm. xinitrc just seems like an overused name... but i can't really think of a better one
13:38
seeing as xinit calls ~/.xinitrc or /usr/some/path/xinitrc
13:38
<ogra>
yeah
13:38
i dont like it either
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<vagrantc>
i'm trying to make a reasonably sane changelog entry, but i'm just stalled on that... :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Is an entry in the fstab of a client the only thing required to mount a nfs?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
this is what I have thus far: 192.168.1.23:/var/log/temp /var/log/temp nfs users,noauto,rw 0 0
13:51
in the client fstab
13:51
on the server, the nfs daemon is runnign
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err running
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<_UsUrPeR_>
but when trying to mount on the client, it throws an error: mount fs type, bad option, bad superbock on 192.168.1.23:/var/log/temp, missing codepage or helper program
13:53
do clients support nfs from the original build?
13:53
<etyack>
_UsUrPeR_: does /var/log/temp exist on the client?
13:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
yes
13:54
as a dir
13:54
<etyack>
did you try it manually on a console session on the client?
13:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
and I have put the following in /etc/export: /var/log/temp 192.168.1.0/24(rw)
13:55
etyack: yes. that's where I got the error.
13:56
same command appears with "mount -t nfs -o rw 192.168.1.23:/var/log/temp /var/log/temp"
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<etyack>
restarted nfs on the server
13:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
correct
13:57
service nfs restart
13:57
no errors
13:59
<etyack>
what nfs packages are installed on the client?
14:00
client/chroot
14:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
it appears none.......
14:00* _UsUrPeR_ installs nfs stuff
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<_UsUrPeR_>
rpm -qa |grep nfs = no results
14:01
<cliebow_>
netstat -anp|grep "2049"
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<_UsUrPeR_>
vliebow_: no results
14:02
installing support now :/
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<sbalneav>
I've added a trap handler for cleanup to the ldm script. That way, cleanup of the appropriate files happens if things die or someone kills the ldm script
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It also (nicely) makes the xinit the last line of the file.
14:20
Anybody object to a push?
14:22
Hearing none, welcome to 966
14:26
<Blinny>
And the crowd goes wild!
14:27
Gotta fly!
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: we should definitely make more use of trap
14:59
<johnny>
uggh.. /me looks for a newer ubuntu kernel
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: yeah
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<sbalneav>
It's kind of interesting, at the beginning of LTSP5, we had a huge amount of progress, but a lot of things either didn't work at all, or didn't work properly. We just kind of shovelled code at it, and kept banging on things.
15:18
<vagrantc>
well, ltsp 5.1.34 works fine with older LDM 2.0.6... newer LDM 2.0.18 needs some tweaks to work with older ltsp 5.1.10, but seems not too difficult.
15:18
though i haven't really worked out the inter-version compatibility just yet ...
15:19
<sbalneav>
I'm not sure if this is the tipping point or not, but it FEELS like we're moving into the middle phase: we're pretty much feature complete, and now we're beginning to polish
15:19
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's what i've been thinking
15:19* jammcq wonders what the end phase is
15:19
<vagrantc>
ltspfs has been there a while, yes.
15:19
yet
15:20
<sbalneav>
jammcq: World dominiation, of course.
15:20* vagrantc is a little confused with all the changes to jetpipe ...
15:20
<vagrantc>
seems like it just assumes it's a serial printer no matter what?
15:20
<sbalneav>
it still needs more cleanup
15:20
no, it shouldn't
15:20
but I haven't looked at it for a couple of days.
15:21
it needs better classing. It's a mashup right now.
15:21* vagrantc shakes head
15:21
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: well, the way it's called from ltsp-client-core looks like it assumes serial
15:21
<sbalneav>
I'll sit down in a day or so and clean it up nicely
15:21
<vagrantc>
unless it ignores the serial options
15:22
<sbalneav>
I didn't update client core so that must have been Gadi. I'll review later.
15:22
<vagrantc>
but it's definitely feeling better
15:25
<sbalneav>
yeah, with the exception of LocalApps, we're beginning to slow down on the "Argh! We need this feature! Darn it! Why doesn't this work!!", and now we're into the "hmm, how can we polish this a little and make it nicer"
15:25
<vagrantc>
right
15:25
of course, we had to do this right after debian stable froze :(
15:26
<sbalneav>
I think this tine next year, we'll look back and say BTS 2008 was were we started to become a mature product :)
15:26
Meh.
15:26
Debian's been around for a while
15:26
so have we :)
15:26
What's the rush? :)
15:26
<vagrantc>
i've managed to do a good job of keeping it backported during the whole of etch's release cycle, hopefully i'll be able to do the same with lenny
15:27
<sbalneav>
Besides, can't we just backport all of this?
15:27
right.
15:27
<vagrantc>
seems like warren at least is interested in backportability
15:27
sometimes there are changes that make backporting difficult
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<vagrantc>
oops!
15:28
<sbalneav>
Well, stgraber and I "cleaned up" a few vars that in retrospect, maybe we shouldn't have, but it was done in the spirit of "Why don't we clean this up properly" as opposed to deliberate breakage.
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<jammcq>
Gadi: hey, how's the feds ?
15:29
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: the DISPLAY/DISP thing is relatively easy to work around
15:29* Gadi has had a rough day
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: more is all this frantic push towards HAL or nothing
15:29
<Gadi>
if I go in and out its because I am on the train online via modem
15:29
<vagrantc>
Gadi: awwww.
15:29
<sbalneav>
I can't remember why we didn't just use DISPLAY right from the beginning
15:29
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: security by obscurity!
15:29
<Gadi>
but figured out how to auto-reconnect
15:30
which is useful
15:30
vagrantc: jetpipe will ignore serial options on non-serial printers
15:30
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: or requiring newer versions of glib that are hard to backport ... or something like that.
15:30
<jammcq>
vagrantc: do I need to remind you what the 'L' in LTSP stands for?
15:30
<vagrantc>
Gadi: ah, easy!
15:30
jammcq: oh, i know.
15:31
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: We're not using any fancy glib features, have you tried to reduce the "level" of glib in the depends?
15:31
<jammcq>
Gadi: you have a cellular modem?
15:33
<sbalneav>
I bet we could compile against an older version of glib.
15:34
when I was writing the configure.ac, what I usually do is just do the old "hmm, what version am I running on this box" routine.
15:34
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i haven't even tried to backport it yet ... but it's an example of the sort of thing that people get tempted to do that can make backporting a pain.
15:35
<sbalneav>
but we're not using anything really other than the g_* string routines, hash and list, and primarily the *spawn routines.
15:35
and they've been around forever.
15:35
<vagrantc>
i haven't tried backporting the newest ldm to etch yet ... probably never will.
15:36
sbalneav: not specifically glib, but it could be some other library ... just as an example of backporting nightmares :)
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<vagrantc>
ltsp 5.1.34-1 and ldm 2.0.18-1 uploaded to debian experimental :)
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15:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
has anyone had any luck mounting an nfs dir in Fedora 9? I'm getting an error: mount.nfs: internal error
15:38
<sbalneav>
Well, I can't see us using much more than glib, so if you run into something in the future that DOESN'T backport nicely, let me know, and we can use either older interfaces, or do the #ifdef GLIBVBLAH .. #elif GLIBVFOO #fi thing.
15:39
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ok. i'm not real savvy on how to handle those situations, but i'll let y'all know :)
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<sbalneav>
Usually with #ifdef's. ltspfs has a good example in the getdir/readdir split that occurred right at the time I was writing it.
15:42
<vagrantc>
cool
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<johnny>
nubae, where is this new script?
16:07
<sbalneav>
johnny: You're one of the SuSEers, right?
16:08* sbalneav having a hard time keeping who's who streait
16:08
<johnny>
sbalneav, no
16:08
gentoo.,.
16:08
and ubuntu
16:09
<sbalneav>
ah. ok
16:09* sbalneav wracks brain
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<sbalneav>
so, who's a SuSEer?
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<johnny>
cyberorg is
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<jammcq>
and jlperry too, eh?
16:15
<johnny>
yeah
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<sbalneav>
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<vagrantc>
on debian, that is
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<Lns>
Debian on the G1! Ha!
17:35
Finally, a smartphone you can put Debian on. =p
17:36
<johnny>
you can put it on the freerunner already
17:36
and soon ubuntu..
17:55
<stgraber>
for those of you who'd like to try the latest LTSP on Intrepid, you can use https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive
17:55
I just tested them and it seeems to work as it should
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<stgraber>
ogra: I'll play with them tomorrow and if everything works it'll be the first LTSP upload for Jaunty
18:11
<vagrantc>
stgraber: you didn't change the tarball since your ~ppa1 packages, yes?
18:12
stgraber: as i used your the tarballs from your ldm/ltsp ~ppa1 packages
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<warren>
vagrantc: "fall back to setting DISPLAY from DISP variable for backwards compatibility"
18:29
vagrantc: I don't have to worry about this right?
18:29
I pushed what I thought was the final build for F10
18:30
<Lns>
Re: Firefox 3.x /dev/random vs /dev/urandom usage fixed, PPA release for Hardy/Ibex/Jaunty to come - http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/release-notes/nspr472.html
18:30
<vagrantc>
warren: it's only if you use the new ldm with older ltsp
18:30
warren: and even then, it's only one step towards compatibility ...
18:31
<warren>
k
18:31
<vagrantc>
2-3 recent things affect backwards compatibility with ldm/ltsp interactions: switching from DISP -> DISPLAY, putting the while loop in screen_session rather than each screen script, and calling using openvt
18:33
i've almost got it working by puttin a wrapper script in /etc/ltsp/screen.d/ldm that basically puts the real script in the while loop, and could probably handle the openvt stuff, too.
18:34
but the DISP/DISPLAY thing needed to be put in the main script, and since it's a one-liner, i figured i'd push upstream.
18:34
we're going to need a backported ldm for freegeek, and if possible, i don't want to have to backport ltsp* as well.
18:35
though i'll probably just end up doing that, too :)
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<warren>
vagrantc: it looks like I will have to maintain ltsp latest against RHEL5 for ~5 years now
18:40
vagrantc: I intend on not backporting fixes but instead constantly testing the latest upstream on RHEL5 and add conditionals if necessary. Only if something REALLY BIG changes I might fork it off.
18:40
vagrantc: OTOH, we had discussed upstream branches in the past.
18:41
<vagrantc>
warren: i hope we can keep it simple enough that forking can be avoided.
18:41
<warren>
that is ideal, yes.
18:42
vagrantc: soon I also want to rearrange the directory structure upstream so it is more logical and less of a hodge-podge
18:42
vagrantc: all major distros will need to agree to the new proposed structure
18:42
<vagrantc>
it could surely use some cleanup, indeed.
18:44
<warren>
vagrantc: btw, does anyone use the upstream ldm theme?
18:44
vagrantc: it is unnecessarily huge in file size
18:44
<vagrantc>
warren: debian does
18:44
<warren>
my much nicer looking bg.png is 2.5KB while the upstream is almost 100KB
18:45
OptiPNG is a PNG optimizer that recompresses image files to a smaller size,
18:45
without losing any information. This program also converts external formats
18:45
(BMP, GIF, PNM and TIFF) to optimized PNG, and performs PNG integrity checks
18:45
and corrections.
18:45* warren tries this tool
18:45
<vagrantc>
i just whipped it together so there was something, if you want to improve it, by all means :)
18:45
<warren>
Output IDAT size = 90532 bytes (8668 bytes decrease)
18:45
Output file size = 90688 bytes (8812 bytes = 8.86% decrease)
18:45
not much
18:45
<stgraber>
vagrantc: no, it's only packaging change, we can't push two different tarballs with the same version number to LP
18:46
<vagrantc>
i felt like 104k was pretty good compared to the ubuntu bg.png ... which were something like 500k at the time
18:46
stgraber: i thought so, i just wanted to make sure :)
18:47
<warren>
I don't know how my artist did it
18:47
but she made a nicer gradient on blue in only 2.5KB
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<vagrantc>
warren: if you hand me your bg.png, i can try it out, too.
19:00
<warren>
vagrantc: hmmm, my bg.png looks pretty slick with the LTSP upstream art
19:01
vagrantc: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/bg.png
19:02
vagrantc: given that it looks better, and it is only 2.5KB, I say we replace the upstream bg.png.
19:02
<vagrantc>
well, if it still looks good for me, i'd say go ahead ...
19:02
let me try it first, though
19:02
<warren>
yeah, test it
19:02
it makes the yellow LTSP.org look less sickly
19:10
<vagrantc>
warren: well, i wouldn't say it looks hugely better, but it doesn't really look any worse, and it's a lot smaller.
19:10
so i'd say push it
19:10
<warren>
vagrantc: it looks amazingly better to me
19:10
ok
19:11
<vagrantc>
i guess i'm looking at a colordepth of 16
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19:11
<warren>
it looks fine at 16 depth? I haven't tried that in a while
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<vagrantc>
warren: looks ok. but the other didn't look great either
19:13
<warren>
ok, so not a regression
19:14
i'm checking it in
19:14
<vagrantc>
i liked the diagonal gradient better than the horizontal one, but whatever. :)
19:14
<warren>
this is horizontal?
19:15
<vagrantc>
it looks darker on the bottom than the top
19:15
<warren>
I thought this is diagonal, but so subtle you can barely tell
19:15
hmm, you might be right
19:16
<vagrantc>
that 104k bg.png was about my only attempt at art for a free software project
19:16
warren: what's the liscensing on it?
19:17
<warren>
vagrantc: I'm pretty sure our artist would be fine with any license
19:17
vagrantc: given that we ship it in our ldm...
19:17
<vagrantc>
well, sure. just need it to be explicit...
19:18
<warren>
GPLv2+
19:19
<vagrantc>
sounds good to me :)
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<vagrantc>
oh hell.
20:16
a bug i long though was fixed is borked again.
20:16
initramfs-tools in lenny was, at some point, working with setting the ip address in root-path ...
20:16
*sigh*
20:22
hah!
20:22
lsb_release detect etch on a lenny system.
20:22
no wonder it seemed like all these bugs i had once fixed.
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<vagrantc>
got me worried all of the sudden.
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: hey, did you have a chance to test password expiry with current ldm ?
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<vagrantc>
whoah.
21:14
login with ssh keys and ldm 2.0.6 ... leaves the greeter running in the background...
21:14
or at least with the wonky setup i have here ...
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<jammcq>
hellooooooo
21:16
<vagrantc>
hey
21:16
<jammcq>
hey vagrantc
21:16
<vagrantc>
finally getting around to switching freegeek over to LDM, thanks to Ryan52
21:17
<jammcq>
ah, cool
21:17
<vagrantc>
pretty much implemented all the weird features we use at freegeek
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<vagrantc>
the weird ldm problem may be with ssh keys and forced commands ... or the particular command that was forced.
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: hey, there's a guy locally who is starting "Motor City FreeGeek"
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: they'd best get in touch with us!
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<jammcq>
I think he has
21:23
i'm pretty sure of it
21:23
<vagrantc>
detroit, basically?
21:23
<jammcq>
yup
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so, i'm happy to report that the new LDM can at least log into an etch server without problems.
21:57
oh-oh.
21:58
seems like the ssh timeout might be a little too fast.
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
22:00
hangs using GNOME on etch :(
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<vagrantc>
might be a weird bug unrelated to LDM ...
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<warren>
vagrantc: what exactly is hte timeout waiting for?
22:16
if a server is a little slow in responding, ldm kills it?
22:18
<vagrantc>
warren: i'm not sure... it basically was something that was supposed to respond to failed passwords faster
22:19
<Ryan52>
if the ssh program dies, then it responds right away. if ssh spits out random stuff that doesn't contain a colon, then ldm reponds after 30 seconds.
22:19
responds meaning say "No response from server, restarting..." and restarting.
22:19
<vagrantc>
it was sending "No response from server, restarting..." instantly.
22:20
<Ryan52>
yes, because ssh exited.
22:20
<vagrantc>
ah.
22:20
<warren>
sleep
22:20
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: i think it was the correct password, though ...
22:20
warren: you need to pass it an argument to really get any rest out of it.
22:20
<Ryan52>
hrm..
22:21
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: but overall, looks pretty good.
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
22:32
<tacidsky>
hello
22:32
<Ryan52>
hi
22:32
<sbalneav>
I'm chatting from my new Macintosh :)
22:32
<jammcq>
dude, yer no longer a PC
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i'm getting freegeek ready to switch to the new shiny LDM :)
22:33
<sbalneav>
Dude!
22:33
<Ryan52>
sbalneav: is your new mac shiny? :)
22:33
<vagrantc>
LDM's basically almost ready.
22:33
<sbalneav>
Well, I found where the shell prompt is, so basically, if I've got an xterm, I'm set
22:33
<vagrantc>
although i just remembered one more missing feature ... setting per-user session default
22:34
<sbalneav>
I'm just trying to figure out the command line interface to itunes :)
22:34
<Ryan52>
heh. cool.
22:34
<sbalneav>
Yeah, I have to support mac's more and more at work, so I figured, the heck with it, and bought a mac mini
22:34
Cute little box.
22:34
<tacidsky>
I want a mac mini :(
22:34
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Awesomeissitude
22:35
Working good so far?
22:35
<jammcq>
sbalneav: did yo buy a monitor too?
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<sbalneav>
No, using a 19" lcd I already had
22:35
Bought a keyboard and a mouse tho'
22:35
<vagrantc>
i could set per-user session setting as the default server-side session
22:35
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: just tell them to "echo start-kde > .xsession".
22:35
err, startkde
22:36
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: it only matters for the non-anonymous login server
22:36
<sbalneav>
Hopefully, when carol and patricia ask me mac questions in the future I won't just sit there with a dumb look on my face.
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<sbalneav>
Whoohoo
22:39
Now I have grey text on a black background, and backspace works.
22:39* vagrantc is really curious about the beagleboard
22:39
<sbalneav>
beagleboard?
22:40
<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: hi
22:40
<sbalneav>
Hey Francis
22:40
See my bloggypost?
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<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: not yet, do you have the link near?
22:40
<sbalneav>
I only post once a year, so it's like a big event :)
22:41
ltspthinclient.blogspot.com
22:41
I think
22:41
<cyberorg>
sbalneav, hi there, looking for suse guys?
22:42
<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: maybe you have an idea about a strange behavior I got
22:42
<sbalneav>
No, just wanted attributions for the blag post
22:42
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: http://beagleboard.org
22:42
<fgiraldeau>
I create a fifo, and then delete it, and it seems that when I do that too fast, it fails
22:42
<cyberorg>
ah, reading it :)
22:43
<sbalneav>
How are you creating it? In C?
22:43
<fgiraldeau>
http://pastebin.com/m4d3efe50
22:43
<sbalneav>
or in sh with mknod
22:43
<fgiraldeau>
in C
22:43
<sbalneav>
Gah, can't right click in text term and do go to link.
22:44
This mac sucks
22:44
Gnome for the win.
22:44
<fgiraldeau>
I'm about to reproduce the ssh control socket with libssh2
22:44* sbalneav reformats his mac
22:44
<sbalneav>
really?
22:44
cool
22:44
one sec, I'll have a look
22:45
<fgiraldeau>
thanks, but it seems really wired
22:47
<sbalneav>
When it fails, what's the value of errno?
22:47
<fgiraldeau>
put in a loop create_fifo and delete_fifo, the first iteration works, then other fails
22:47
let me see
22:48
<sbalneav>
should be able to do a printf("%s\n", strerror(errno));
22:49
<vagrantc>
ok, so LDM doesn't appear to work well with ssh keys and forced commands.
22:50
and i had this really, really weird thing happen where the login suceeded, but the greeter actually was still running... and icewm just treated it like any other client ...
22:51
haven't been able to reproduce that ...
22:52
<sbalneav>
Hm, never tried it with keys. Forced commands?
22:52
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: that's because it connects and tries to run "echo SOMETHING_SPECIAL_THAT_I_FORGOT; /bin/sh/ -"
22:52
<sbalneav>
LTSPROCKS
22:52
<Ryan52>
sbalneav: where a user connecting with that key is only allowed to run a certain thing.
22:52
yes, that's what it was :)
22:53
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: command="/usr/bin/foobar" ssh-rsa ldkjgfADFGHSDFHlakjfglsdfg ... in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
22:53
well, we could just put LTSPROCKS in the forced command ...
22:53
<sbalneav>
Well, if it doesn't see the sentinel, it can't know if it's logged in.
22:53
<vagrantc>
but i bet a lot of the magic wouldn't work.
22:54
ah.
22:54
i wonder how ssh keys and master connections work
22:54
<sbalneav>
Now.
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<sbalneav>
what we COULD do...
22:54
<vagrantc>
maybe that's somehow not playing together nicely...
22:55
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: using sockets with ssh keys works fine, I've played with it.
22:56
<sbalneav>
It might be nice to try to get something going with SSH_ASKPASS
22:56
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: even with forced commands?
22:56
<Ryan52>
that I haven't tried.
22:56
<fgiraldeau>
Error deleting /tmp/test.fifo : Success
22:56
humm...
22:56
I will revise the logic, there is something wrong, don't bother with that ;)
22:57
<stgraber>
fgiraldeau: :)
22:57
<fgiraldeau>
stgraber: Hi!
22:58
stgraber: see you tomorrow, I'm gonna sleep a bit
22:58
<stgraber>
fgiraldeau: it's like current PAM in Ubuntu, you change your password, it fails but tells you the password was changed successfully :)
22:58
fgiraldeau: ok, see you
22:58
<fgiraldeau>
stgraber: yeah, it sucks
22:58
good night all
22:58
<sbalneav>
Night francis.
22:59
vagrantc: Until we get ourselves off of havinng to look at tty input for ssh, we're going to have some limitations.
23:00
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i can either just drop the forced command stuff, or write a server-side wrapper to take care of it.
23:00
<Ryan52>
tsk tsk...memcpy being used in the qt branch. and, guess what, it was the cause of the seg fault! I didn't see that comming at all! /me glibifies
23:01
<vagrantc>
ldm has too many features that people have been asking about for *years* at freegeek... all the way back to 2001 or so...
23:01
<Ryan52>
and g_freeing the return value of a call to strstr...that seems wrong.
23:02
oh, no, I misread the g_free part.
23:03
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: has the features, or doesn't have the features?
23:04
jammcq: Still there?
23:04
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: has the localdev and sound support mainly ...
23:05
and i keep thinking one other feature
23:05
of course, until we figure out this weird problem with modern PXE implementations, we're stuck using etherboot floppies so i'll have to disable floppy devices... ugh.
23:07
<sbalneav>
Why? Can't you just use the pxe on the card to boot?
23:07
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: for the record, if you connect to an ssh control socket that was created with a forced command, when you connect to it again it just runs the forced command
23:07
<jammcq>
sbalneav: yeah
23:07
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: something on the network has borked the PXE...
23:07
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: that's dumb.
23:07
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: that's secure.
23:07
<sbalneav>
jammcq: so, I got my iPod, right?
23:07
<jammcq>
ok
23:07
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: yes.
23:07
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: otherwise, forced commands are useless
23:07
<sbalneav>
Full of mp3's that I've loaded onto it from Linux
23:07
they play fine
23:07
<jammcq>
ok
23:07
<sbalneav>
plug in the ipod
23:08
itunes pops up
23:08
<jammcq>
k
23:08
<sbalneav>
I can SEE all the music, but it's all greyed out. I can't CLICK on any of it to make it play.
23:08
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: get ProxyDHCP errors on PXE boot ... plug them into another network ... same servers, same switches (although a different VLAN) and it works fine!
23:08
<jammcq>
umm
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you have all those mp3's on disk somewhere, right?
23:09
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: wierd
23:09
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so there must be some switch configuration particular to that vlan ...
23:09
<sbalneav>
jammcq: I think so.
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<jammcq>
copy them all to your mac
23:09
import them into iTunes, it'll prolly convert them to the apple format
23:09
then sync them on to your iPod
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and you'll be fine
23:09
<sbalneav>
OK
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<jammcq>
you'll prolly wanna remove the mp3's from the ipod first
23:10
<sbalneav>
Hmm, can iTunes understand ogg, I wonder.
23:10
<jammcq>
umm, I doubt it
23:10
<sbalneav>
Sigh.
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Well, I'll figure it out.
23:11
<jammcq>
i'm sure you will
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<sbalneav>
ipod ntive format's AAC or Flac?
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<vagrantc>
Flac is cool stuff.
23:12
<jammcq>
no clue
23:12
I just use it. I don't care much how it works
23:12
<vagrantc>
not as good compression as mp3 or ogg and a little more CPU intensive, but totally loss-less quality
23:13* vagrantc didn't actually read the question
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<jammcq>
ok, bed time
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<sbalneav>
Night.
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I've got a music library of 350+ albums all beautifully tagged in ogg.
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Don't see why I can't import from the ipod itself.
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It's wierd to me.
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<jammcq>
well, maybe you can
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i'm not an iPod guru, I just use it
23:15
jorge knows lots about that stuff
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<vagrantc>
i'm pretty sure you have to get different firmware to get ipod's to read ogg
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Unfortunately, I've got an ipod classic, so they don't have a version of rockbox for it yet.
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otherwise, it'd already be converted.
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<vagrantc>
heh
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i kinda wondered :)
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well, good hacking with y'all :)
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<sbalneav>
Night.
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<petre>
warren, ping
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<johnny>
sbalneav, maybe a plugin to rhythmbox or something that could convert stuff to mp3 while copying..
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perhaps that already exists..
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<sbalneav>
Oh, I've GOT a duplicate tree in mp3 format.
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It just seems rather odd to me that:
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1) I have to copy them over to the mac, meaning I'm going to have to figure out how to either get nfs going on the mac, or do like an scp
23:25
<johnny>
copy them to the mac for what?
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oh..
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<sbalneav>
johnny: Did you read the above?
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<johnny>
i wouldn't mess with it from itunes at all
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ignore itunes
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it is the devil
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<sbalneav>
Why?
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It's just a program.
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<johnny>
obviously not
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if if it can't read the music you've gotten on it from linux
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maybe the metadata isn't a perfect match anymore
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maybe it's missing that one tiny bit that makes itunes want to ignore it or something
23:28
<sbalneav>
But it SEES the music list. It's just greyed out.
23:28
<johnny>
sure.. it's greyed out for a reason :)
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it doesn't like what you did
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it knows you went behind its back
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and now you are being punished
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<sbalneav>
You're talking a lot of baloney.
23:29
<johnny>
not about the part of of not liking what you did
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that is obviously true
23:30
<sbalneav>
No, it's NOT obviously true
23:30
<johnny>
otherwise you wouldn't be having a problem
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it would just work
23:30
<sbalneav>
it might be something I'M doin wrong.
23:30
<johnny>
i perhaps was under the wrong assumption that you have used itunes before?
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and it worked fine?
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<sbalneav>
I just got the mac like yesterday.
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first time I've ever used it.
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<johnny>
you probably didn't do anything wrong
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afaik it is supposed to be that easy
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<sbalneav>
You ever used iTunes?
23:31
<johnny>
i haven't personally.. but i've seen my friends use it
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didn't see any twiddling
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plug the thing in.. pick what you want
23:31
<sbalneav>
So, basically, you know just about as much as I do.
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<Ryan52>
chrisinaWORKPLAC, brendan0powers: okay, I cleaned it up a bit, fixed the seg fault, and fixed the greeter not spawning issue. see the commit logs. It still doesn't work, for reasons unknown (as I am out of time for tonight). Tomorrow I'll work on getting the gtk greeter ported to the new protocol so we can tell if it's a ldm or a qtgreeter issue.
23:32
<johnny>
and it just works :)
23:32
<sbalneav>
Which is nothing.
23:32
I'll keep fiddling :)
23:32
<johnny>
have fun with that.. you might need to format your ipod's internal db tho
23:33
<sbalneav>
Why? I've never touched the ipod other than to put stuff on it.
23:33
<johnny>
unless they removed compat for your old ipod.. but that woudl be unlikely
23:33
sure.. but you're assuming the people who wrote the program that you used on linux, actually did it 100% perfectly itunes compatible
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if you can't figure it out in the next little while, see if there are any bug reports :)
23:34
gf is calling me to bed.. bbiab
23:37
<sbalneav>
Figured it out. I have to click on "Manually manage this ipod"
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playing now.
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<sbalneav>
Whoohoo, "Another Man's Gain" by Zappacosta
23:44* sbalneav dances like those people in the iPod ads
23:45
<sbalneav>
I like this little mac mini, and the iPod was great this summer at the cottage...
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But I know those ads with the "shadow people" dancing with the headphones are a complete lie
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BECAUSE I CAN NEVER GET THE STUPID THINGS TO STAY IN MY EARS!!!!1111oneone
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I've never had a set of bud earphones that fit my ears so badly.
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"Tara" from Avalon by Roxy Music is just such a nice piece of music.
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LOL, top works
23:56
My openoffice install hung up. Opened a terminal window and kill -9'd it.
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Somewhere, Steve Jobs is facepalming
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Oooh, and VIM 7's installed.