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Channel log from 2 January 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<Ryan52>
password expiry stuff appears to be broken :(...*adds to todo list for tonight*
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<kaeles>
ok, just installed ltsp-server-standalone, everything is working and booting up, but when I go to login, the xserver "crashes" and it puts me back at the login page
00:55
I don't think I had SSH installed on the server, would that be causing the issue?
00:59
<Ryan52>
it's installed with ltsp-server-standalone
01:00
can you look at the logs on the client?
01:00
<kaeles>
yea
01:01
hmm
01:01
Do I need to have the xorg installed on the server?
01:01
oh
01:01
I might want to reboot the server to start all the services and etc?
01:01
:|
01:01
<Ryan52>
no, you don't need X on the server.
01:02
try rebooting, I guess..
01:04
<kaeles>
well, for some reason the ltsp-server-standalone didn't install the ssh server.
01:05
<Ryan52>
what distro are you on?
01:06
<kaeles>
debian
01:06
<Ryan52>
yes, it did install it :)
01:07
Depends: ltsp-server, nfs-kernel-server, squashfs-tools, nbd-server (>= 1:2.9.6-2), openssh-server, tftpd-hpa | atftpd | dnsmasq (>= 2.41), openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver, dhcp3-server | dnsmasq,
01:07
<kaeles>
no it didn't I installed it manually afterwards
01:07
<Ryan52>
openssh-server is list :)
01:07
0.o
01:07
okay....uhhhh....hrm.
01:07
<kaeles>
maybe it blew up
01:07
hold on
01:08
o.O
01:08
ok yea something broke
01:08
cause it didn't install the squashfs-tools either
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<Ryan52>
are you sure you installed -standalone??
01:09
and not just ltsp-server?
01:09
<kaeles>
yea, I just did apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone and it says its the newest version
01:09
<Ryan52>
o
01:09
<kaeles>
hmmm
01:09* kaeles sighs
01:09
<kaeles>
this kind of stuff always happens to me
01:09
:P
01:09
<Ryan52>
okay, sorry, that was my mistake.
01:10* Ryan52 was looking at Debian Lenny, you're probably on Etch.
01:10
<Ryan52>
anyway, ya, install openssh-server.
01:10
<kaeles>
ah, yea I'm on etch
01:11
but anyways, the client is getting the pxe stuff fine and mounting the NFS share fine, it just crashes when I try to login
01:11
lemme try it again and I'll get the error log
01:14
ok, it says debug1: Remote: no xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing.
01:15
<Ryan52>
where did you get that from?
01:15
<kaeles>
the var/log/ldm.log
01:15
<Ryan52>
hrm.
01:16
<kaeles>
could it be messing up cause I'm running it as a vmware vm?
01:16
<Ryan52>
I dunno, sorry...
01:17
<kaeles>
oh well, no big hurry
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<kaeles>
thanks anyhow
01:21
ok
01:21
weird
01:21
now it doesn't crash, but instead logs me into a terminal
01:21
but thats it
01:21
:P
01:22
<Ryan52>
0.o
01:22
<kaeles>
are you positive you don't need X on the server to "remote login" to?
01:23
<Ryan52>
99.9% :)
01:24
<kaeles>
AH
01:24
Typically, you will need a desktop environment like gnome or xfce, or a window manager such as icewm installed on the server (NOT in the chroot).
01:24
<Ryan52>
?
01:24
yes
01:24
<kaeles>
oh
01:24
LMAO
01:24
thats the problem then
01:24
<Ryan52>
:D
01:25
<kaeles>
I did not read the how-to close enough apparently
01:25* Ryan52 nods
01:26* kaeles goes back to his installing stuff in shame...
01:26
<kaeles>
:P
01:26
<Ryan52>
hehe :D
01:30
<kaeles>
trying to figure out how to setup a POS system with ltsp, one step at a time :P
01:31
next will be doing firefox in kiosk mode and some other stuff :|
01:31
<Ryan52>
ah. good luck :)
01:31
<kaeles>
well, I hope so, hopefully I can make some monies :P
01:36
cool with xfce it works now
01:36
thanks alot
01:36
:)
01:36
<Ryan52>
yay!
01:38
<kaeles>
now to make it do autologin with a locked down user and autostart firefox in kiosk mode :P
01:39
<Ryan52>
pfft. that's easy. ;)
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<tadeu_>
i'm trying to execute "apt-get install ltsp-client" and i'm getting this error: "The ltsp-client package provides the basic structure for an LTSP terminal. It cannot be installed on a regular machine"
05:54
any idea ?
06:00
<cyberorg>
tadeu_, tried ltsp-server?
06:01
<tadeu_>
cyberorg, it depends ltsp-client-core
06:01
cyberorg, in fact my problem is..
06:02
cyberorg, i'm using XDMCP and i'm having problem with sound
06:02
cyberorg, do you have any idea ?
06:02
cyberorg, i'm trying esound, but no success till now
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<cyberorg>
tadeu_, using latest ubuntu?
06:03
<tadeu_>
debian lenny
06:03
server and client
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<cyberorg>
tadeu_, wait for vagrantc to come online, he would be able to help
06:05
<tadeu_>
cyberorg, ok thanks so far
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<jammcq>
good morning #ltsp
09:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
happy new year all
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<marnikv>
can someone help me to set up skype?
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<marnikv>
nog niet, maar dat
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<rjune>
!o
11:33
<ltspbot>
rjune: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
11:33
<rjune>
wow, everywhere is dead
11:33
<johnny>
?
11:34
<rjune>
not too many people running about
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<johnny>
online or off?
11:35
<rjune>
online
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<johnny>
truly
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<rjune>
I'm in a basement, I can't see sunlight let alone people outside
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<johnny>
hehe
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<petre>
I'm in the living room, but I've got 5 days off from work, spending most of the time here
11:38
but rjune is correct, it's rather quiet
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<rjune>
!g
11:38
<ltspbot>
rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:38
<Gadi>
hey, rjune
11:38
et al
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<tadeu_>
vagrantc, i talked to cyberorg and he indicated you to discuss about sound with XDMCP
12:02
vagrantc, i tried esound without success
12:02
vagrantc, now i'm trying pulseaudio
12:03
vagrantc, do you have any tip ?
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<Gadi>
tadeu_: LTSP 4 or 5?
12:04
<tadeu_>
Gadi, in fact i'm not using LSTP.. i'm just using XDMCP
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<Gadi>
ok...
12:04
:)
12:04
do you run a pulseaudio daemon on your client?
12:05
sound is completely independent of X11
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<tadeu_>
Gadi, yes, i didn't test it till now..
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<Gadi>
you need a pulseaudio daemon running on the client configured to receive connections from the server, and then you need to set the PULSE_SERVER environment variable on login to the server to point to the client
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<tadeu_>
Gadi, i'd like to know if someone did, and how good it works
12:06
<Gadi>
in LTSP, it works fine
12:06
but, you are not using LTSP ... :)
12:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: ping
12:08
question about X_OPTION_0? in lts.conf
12:08
F10
12:24
Ok, does anyone know how to specify resolutions in F10? Is that an lts.conf option? X_OPTION_01 ="some x thing" doesn't seem to be working for me
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<johnny>
yhou'd have to show what your'e doing
12:28
some x thing isn't enough..
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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<_UsUrPeR_>
no quotes?
12:42
<Gadi>
optional
12:42
:)
12:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, mode instead of opeion
12:42
err option
12:42
roger
12:42
thx
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<Gadi>
quotes are usually only required for values with multiple words
12:43
_UsUrPeR_: depending on how new a version F10 has, you may also me able to use: XRANDR_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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(which is the preferred in newest upstream)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh
12:44
that may be it
12:44
this version installed is two days old
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<vagrantc>
tadeu_: using sound with XDMCP is kind of a pain
12:52
tadeu_: why not just use LDM_DIRECTX ?
12:52
a.k.a. LDM_TOTALLY_INSECURE
12:53* vagrantc actually reads the backscroll
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<Ryan52>
LDM_TOTALLY_INSECURE -- that's a good edia!
12:53
<tadeu_>
vagrantc, i don't know LDM_DIRECTX
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<vagrantc>
tadeu_: it's a feature specific to LTSP ... a mode to use LDM that's nearly as insecure as XDMCP
12:54
so i guess it would be LDM_NEARLY_AS_INSECURE_AS_XDMCP
12:54
<tadeu_>
vagrantc, oh.. ok
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: did initramfs-tools upstream adopt a mechanism for specifying VCI?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: not yet.
13:33
Gadi: see http://bugs.debian.org/509077
13:34
Gadi: the alternate DHCP port stuff was in the script, the VCI stuff isn't. but i made a patch and attached it to that bug report.
13:34
a patch for both
13:34* Gadi saw
13:34
<Gadi>
nice patch
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<vagrantc>
hopefully they'll take it
13:35
<Gadi>
is it wise for us to break current functionality before they do?
13:36* Gadi does not use it, personally
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<vagrantc>
it is wise for us to continue to have bugs in our code that are fixed upstream?
13:36
i.e. we forked their code, they've done a lot of fixes...
13:36* Gadi sees no such bugs
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<Gadi>
ah ok
13:37
anything that affects us, tho?
13:37
introducing a breakage doesnt seem to satisfy your objective of fixing bugs
13:37
:)
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<vagrantc>
i guess part of my move to commit that is to get folks to nudge to get it fixed in initramfs-tools.
13:37
<Gadi>
ah
13:38
politics
13:38
:)
13:38
<vagrantc>
indeed. :)
13:38* Gadi votes for vagrantc as mayor of munchkin land
13:38
<vagrantc>
i think i violate some existing height restrictions
13:39* Gadi shakes his head - as the prejudice against tall people runs deep
13:39
<jammcq>
vagrantc: we'll get our marketing people on it. they'll take photos at the just the right angle, making you fit in as mayor of munchkin land just perfectly
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<Gadi>
alternatively, we could break his knee caps
13:40
:)
13:40
<jammcq>
I mean, if we take pictures from directly above, nobody will notice
13:40
Gadi: I was offering the midwest version, not the new jersey version of marketing
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<Gadi>
oh, right...
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<vagrantc>
heh. yesterday, i was doing aikido with a kid who doesn't even come up to my hip... had to get under his center of gravity...
13:42
so i know how to deal with munchkins, at least.
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<cib0>
hello
14:06
i don't know, somehow italc doesn't seem to be a great solution for ltsp.. it doesn't seem to be designed for linux, much less thin clients
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<nubae>
???
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<cib0>
the site itself only says something useful about windows and fat clients and any other documentation i find seems to fail, too
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<nubae>
what distro?
14:09
<cib0>
debian
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<nubae>
k, well ubuntu is close enough, take a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
14:10
I can tell u from experience that italc works wonderfully with thin clients
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<cib0>
i can't even start the italc master
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i had to build it from source since the site said the debian repository was outdated
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<stgraber>
cib0: what's the release of italc in debian ?
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<nubae>
oh, did u try installing the ubuntu .deb?
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<cib0>
1:1.0.9~rc3-1
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<stgraber>
hmm, that's almost the latest release of italc
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<cib0>
oh, weird
14:18
then probably the italc site was outdated :)
14:18
hm, ill try installing it from the repos
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<stgraber>
current upstream is 1.0.9 final
14:18
but IIRC rc3 => final was just disabling some debug
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<cib0>
nice, it works
14:24
i wonder what i missed in my manual build
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<vagrantc>
cib0: i believe they use italc on the ltsp installations in extremadura, spain, with something like 4,000 LTSP servers ... so it surely works.
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<nubae>
yeah italc pretty much rocks
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<vagrantc>
or maybe i'm mistaking that for controlaula
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<cib0>
well, i don't really like it, but i don't like KDE in general
14:52
i won't have to use it luckily
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<stgraber>
it's using QT but not linked to kde in any way (not using any kde component or lib)
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<joeyk>
fluxbox ftw!
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<cib0>
well, it has a very KDE-ish style
15:06
<johnny>
no.. it's just qt..
15:06
style
15:07
<cib0>
i thought qt were a tool not a philosophy
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<rjune>
cib0, style can refer to visual appearance
15:17
<Ahmuck>
i love kde. well, until kde4 hit the scene
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<Ryan52>
Ahmuck, I like how kde4 looks, tho there are a few "bugs" that just piss me off.
15:32
for instance, it acts like windows when you press shift 5 times...sticky keys or somethin.
15:32
and the menu is slow to respond, to I'll bring it up, type "firefox"<ENTER> and it'll start some weird thing, because it processes the enter first...
15:32
other than that I like it.
15:32
Ahmuck, why don't you like it?
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<johnny>
Ahmuck, i assume you're speaking of kde4.1 and not kde4.0 ?
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<Ahmuck>
i think in *untu 8.10 they turned on grahpical effects which did nothing for me but slow me down
15:33
and there were a few bugs that i just couldn't get around
15:33
<Ryan52>
oh.
15:33
<Ahmuck>
so i dropped back to 8.04
15:34
Ryan52: they did add the "old menu" option however
15:34
which works better for me
15:34
<Ryan52>
I like how the new one looks, tho :)
15:34
I just wish it'd work right.
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<Ahmuck>
i figure give it a year in *untu testing, and then maybee try it
15:37
<Ryan52>
ya
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<cib0>
hm, the tutorial said any thin client would add itself to a classroom called "LTSP", but it doesn't
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<petre>
warren, ping
15:58
<warren>
petre: I need to leave soon, what's up
15:59
<petre>
warren, two things:
15:59
<warren>
petre: you didn't build a F-10 version?
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<petre>
one: I've got the quick start guide committed to f9 in cvs
15:59
right, I wanted to check with you if the steps are the same or not
16:00
if so, I'll commit it to f10
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<warren>
yes, please do F-10
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<petre>
second question: I can build the liveusb now w/o the selinux/rpcbind problem
16:00
but pyserial is still missing
16:01
how do I get that in there before building it?
16:01
does the create script read the chroot?
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<warren>
petre: which part needed pyserial?
16:02
petre: server or client chroot? and what exactly needs pyserial?
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<petre>
the client, to support jetpipe
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<warren>
all uses of jetpipe require it?
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<petre>
warren, I think so
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<warren>
petre: hmm.. my F10 chroot has pyserial
16:04
petre: package ltsp-client Requires pyserial
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petre: what version of ltsp-client is in the chroot?
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<petre>
does livecd-creator look in my client chroot?
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warren, ltsp-client is version 5.1.26
16:07
in my chroot
16:07
but pyserial is in my chroot
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should livecd-creator have seen that?
16:08* petre doesn't understand how livecd-creator builds the chroot for the livecd
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<warren>
petre: you aren't pulling in k12linux-temporary repos
16:09
you have ancient versions
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<petre>
warren, how do I update that?
16:11
chroot and then yum update?
16:11
<warren>
well, it builds it from scratch within the livecd-creator
16:11
the latest f9 ltsp is ltsp-5.1.34-2.fc9
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<petre>
so, it doesn't look at my /opt/ltsp/i386 setup then, right?
16:11
<warren>
so you seem to be not pulling in updates either
16:12
it doesn't look at your own system at all
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<petre>
good, that should make it easier
16:12
it's just reading what's in the kickstart files, right?
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<warren>
yes
16:14
but then ltsp-server has kickstart files within it
16:14
gotta go now, please e-mail the list if you need further help?
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