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Channel log from 7 September 2011   (all times are UTC)

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03:04
<Matrix3000_>
anyone running unity with ltsp?
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06:42
<mrcarrot>
where can i report bugs. i have a reproducable bug for ltsp (i can trigger it in both ubuntu and debian)
06:43
<alkisg>
In https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bugs. What bug?
06:44
<mrcarrot>
if you have only two partitions: / and /home and you want to make sure /tmp is not filling up /, you can create /home/tmp and make /tmp a symlink to that folder
06:45
that breaks the mounting of usb sticks in the client
06:45
in debian lenny it worked, but in squeeze it is not working anymore
06:45
the same applies to newer ubuntus
06:45
so mv /tmp /home/tmp
06:45
ln -s /home/tmp /tmp
06:46
that is breaking mounting
06:46
<alkisg>
Gotcha. I don't understand why that would happen, but sure go ahead and file the bug.
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08:46
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Gary!
08:46
Feeling better today? :)
08:49
<garymc>
no mate, phone server has fuked up now
08:49
gotta get that fixed first
08:50
<Hyperbyte>
You're never gonna get it fixed when you have a black cloud over your head though. :) Might wanna fix that first. ;-)
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09:24
<andygraybeal>
morning :)
09:26
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Andy!
09:27
<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, :)
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10:07
<garymc>
ok had to plug old server back in
10:07
as trying to set new one up brough the whole system to its knees. My old one must be distributing DHCP to my other servers too
10:08
so I have an Asterisk Phone server there and it went offline because the old server DHCP was gone
10:08
so god knows how Im going to update my LTSP to 64 bit and new hardware
10:08
any ideas
10:09
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, create a test environment, in a place where you can work without problems.
10:09
Where you have space.
10:09
<garymc>
yes im setting it up now
10:09
but if the phones go down so does my business
10:09
<Hyperbyte>
Your eth0 will be fetching DHCP for internet. It doesn't matter if it fetches that from local network or internet modem - it's still DHCP.
10:09
<garymc>
so im gonna set the test on up nopw
10:10
<Hyperbyte>
So connect eth0 to the main network and let it fetch DHCP
10:10
And connect eth1 to a small switch or hub with one thin client, or even directly to the thin client.
10:10
<garymc>
well should I have switched other servers off before I done that?
10:10
<Hyperbyte>
No, why?
10:11
<garymc>
so they got there new DHCP stuff. Im pretty sure my current LTSP server distributes all IP addresses across whole network
10:11
<Hyperbyte>
Wait
10:12
I'll draw a quick diagram.
10:12
<garymc>
ok
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10:18
<Hyperbyte>
http://www.recreatie-zorg.nl/testnet.jpg
10:18
Something like that, is what you want.
10:18
You can see the test network for thin client is completely seperate from the rest of the network
10:18
And the server configuration is same for both servers. eth0 = dhcp, eth1 = static.
10:19
If you make your test environment like this, you can install the new server, test it, prepare it... and then theoretically just switch it with the other one, one day.
10:22
<garymc>
I cant see the piccy Hyperbyte
10:22
I just see some page with people on it and writing in dutch
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10:23
<Hyperbyte>
Congrats.
10:23
You have just visited my company website. :)
10:23
Try again
10:23
You gathered it was Dutch from the .nl, or? :)
10:24
<garymc>
the writing and the picture
10:24
and you told me you was dutch
10:24
ok maybe my current setup doesnt have a static IP assigned
10:25
<Hyperbyte>
Your 'new server', you mean?
10:25
Or your current server doesn't have a static IP?
10:25
<garymc>
either
10:25
<Hyperbyte>
Well your new server has no network configuration probably
10:26
<garymc>
ok so how can I check my current server config? and replicate to my new server
10:26
<Hyperbyte>
As for your current server, if it's handing out DHCP addresses on the local network, it has a static address on the local network. Those two are mutually exclusive.
10:26
Your current server is Linux, correct?
10:26
<garymc>
yes its UBUNTU LTSP, 32 bit , but its shit slow and internet for users keeps cutting out, so I thought it was time for a hardware upgrade
10:27
<Hyperbyte>
Pastebin /etc/network/interfaces of your current server
10:27
<garymc>
what command will enable me to copy paste that in terminal
10:29
<Hyperbyte>
I don't understand the question.
10:30
<garymc>
ok, cos ive just replaced the server I need to open ssh port, gimme 1 min
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10:37
<garymc>
ok i can local ssh to it
10:38
hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/kav7Q9VN
10:43
<Hyperbyte>
Simple enough. :)
10:43
eth0 is dhcp, eth1 is 192.168.0.254 / 255.255.255.0
10:43
So configure your new server with eth0 as dhcp, and eth1 as 192.168.1.254 / 255.255.255.0
10:49
<garymc>
THATS WHERE I FALL FLAT ON MY ARSE
10:49
whoops Caps lock
10:49
but wont that mess up my Asterisk server?
10:49
and my phones
10:53
<Hyperbyte>
Look again at the diagram.
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10:57
<garymc>
Ok I just looked, I see what your saying, but how will my thin clients decide to boot from new server and not old one. and what happens if I remove server 1
10:57
what will happen to my asterisk box etc etc
10:59
ok when installing LTSP server on new server, do I configure the Network via DHCP? as Im doing this now with the test bed and it fails
11:00
so im guessing the test bed is looking for an IP from the DHCP server and cant find one. And im not setting it to be the DHCP server
11:01
so...?
11:07
<Hyperbyte>
So... I'm having lunch. :)
11:07
<andygraybeal>
yum
11:07
what'r you eating?
11:09
<garymc>
very nice, im waiting for mine
11:09
enjoy
11:10
really I need to build the new LTSP and basicly unlplug the old one and replace it with new one
11:11
and hey presto it all works
11:14
<andygraybeal>
i got an ltsp install with fat-client configuration in a virtual machine just waiting till i have time to get it working properly... i've been doing so many other things.
11:14
it's not critical as we have ltsp with thin client.. working.. but it would work better with the fat client config :)
11:14
and on a virtual machine
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11:30
<garymc>
MY CURRENT SETUP IS SHIT SLOW AND KEEPS DROPPING THE INTERNET to the thin clients
11:30
caps lock sorry
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11:32
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, your LTSP server will be DHCP client on eth0 and DHCP server on eth1.
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11:32
<Hyperbyte>
Assuming you have eth0 connected to your local network and eth1 to your test network.
11:32
<garymc>
yes, ok how do I set my test (new one) up in exactly the same way so It replicates the old DHCP server
11:33
<Hyperbyte>
12:43 <Hyperbyte> So configure your new server with eth0 as dhcp, and eth1 as 192.168.1.254 / 255.255.255.0
11:33
Wait - replicates?
11:33
Are you sure you mean 'replicates'?
11:34
<garymc>
well I wanna remove old one, plug in new one and it works
11:35
is this possible
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11:51
<Hyperbyte>
Start by setting up your server so it works, okay?
11:51
Worry about the rest later.
11:51
Follow my advice please.
11:52
<garymc>
ok hyper, i have a test system setup , but I have no way of connecting to the internet
11:52
it is connected to a ethernet switch and im setting up a thin client to plug into that same ethernet switch.
11:52
Do I need an internet connection for the test?
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11:57
<Hyperbyte>
The ethernet switch has only the thin client and the server connected to it, right?
11:58
<garymc>
hyperbyte: yes
11:59
<Hyperbyte>
And it's connected to eth1 on the server, right?
11:59
The new server
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11:59
<garymc>
let me check
12:01
yes
12:01
<Hyperbyte>
Okay, then connect the server with eth0 to your main network
12:02
<garymc>
ok ill do that now
12:02
<Hyperbyte>
And then
12:03
13:33 <Hyperbyte> 12:43 <Hyperbyte> So configure your new server with eth0 as dhcp, and eth1 as 192.168.1.254 / 255.255.255.0
12:03
<garymc>
ok connected
12:03
thats the bit I dont know how to do
12:04
can you help me do that through Terminal?
12:05
<Hyperbyte>
No, I can't.
12:05
Ask in #ubuntu
12:05
They know a lot more about general Ubuntu things than me.
12:06
<TheMatrix3000>
Good morning everyone
12:06
<garymc>
ok
12:06
but this setup still defeats the object
12:07
i want this new server to connect directly to proper network switch and I want it to have a static of 192.168.0.254
12:07
just like the old one
12:08
and my thin client still wont boot via pxe
12:08
on the test system
12:09
<Hyperbyte>
14:08 <garymc> hi can anyone help me configure my DHCP server on my UBUNTU
12:09
server with a static IP so it distributes IPs?
12:09
That's not what I told you.
12:09
14:03 <Hyperbyte> 13:33 <Hyperbyte> 12:43 <Hyperbyte> So configure your new server with eth0 as dhcp, and eth1 as 192.168.1.254 / 255.255.255.0
12:10
<garymc>
right
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12:14
<garymc>
could be waiting all day for help in ubuntu
12:14
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, yep. They don't get paid to help you.
12:15
<garymc>
i know.
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, I've given you the Ubuntu guide that should work for all Ubuntu users. If it doesn't in your situation, I can't help you.
12:15
<garymc>
nightmare
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
You need #ubuntu.
12:15
<garymc>
but is this setup going to allow me to remove the old server?
12:16
<Hyperbyte>
That's the whole point isn't it?
12:16
<garymc>
yes
12:16
but 192.168.1.254 is my router address
12:16
that distributes IP's for internet to the servers
12:16
<Hyperbyte>
I thought that was 192.168.0.254
12:17
<alkisg>
That's eth1 on the server, right?
12:17
router =.1.254, eth1 = .0.254
12:17
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
12:17
<alkisg>
Hi mgariepy
12:18
<Hyperbyte>
Hey mgariepy!
12:18
<garymc>
yes
12:19
internet router is 192.168.1.254 > distributes IPs to Wireless and Servers.
12:20
Then We have LTSP 192.168.0.254 which distributes IPs to Thin clients and polycom phones and Asterisk Server
12:20
<Hyperbyte>
Then use 192.168.2. for testing
12:20
<garymc>
ok
12:20
<Hyperbyte>
This is information you might've shared earlier, by the way.
12:21
<garymc>
i thought I had, by showing the pastebin
12:21
maybe not though
12:21
sorry
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12:23
<garymc>
what should I put as Gateway on test server for eth1
12:23
as it wont let me apply until I do
12:24
192.168.2.0 ??
12:24
<Hyperbyte>
I have no idea. It doesn't need a gateway. ---> #ubuntu
12:24
<garymc>
but If I dont add anything, NM wont let me apply changes
12:24
<Hyperbyte>
14:24 <Hyperbyte> I have no idea.
12:26
<alkisg>
Put 0.0.0.0 as the gateway
12:27
<garymc>
ahhh ok
12:27
i will redo as I set the gateway to 192.168.2.0
12:27
and eth1 shows in ifconfig now
12:28
ok thats it set
12:28
now what
12:28
?
12:28
<Hyperbyte>
Pastebin output of ifconfig.
12:29
<garymc>
ok
12:30
hmm i cant ssh to it now
12:30
<TheMatrix3000>
anyone know the best way to handle 70 thin clients
12:30
<garymc>
gimme 1 min
12:30
<TheMatrix3000>
should I do them as fat or thin?
12:31
<garymc>
ok my test server has no internet
12:31
and I cant SSH to it. how am i gonna pastebin?
12:32
<Hyperbyte>
Just tell me the interface names and their corresponding inet addr's
12:32
<garymc>
ok
12:33
eth0 : inet addr:192.168.0.81
12:33
eth1 : inet addr:192.168.2.254
12:33
<Hyperbyte>
Looks good!
12:33
ip route | grep default
12:33
<garymc>
yep but thin client still wont boot
12:34
ok
12:34
<Hyperbyte>
Of course the thin client won't boot, we're just configuring network now.
12:34
<garymc>
ok
12:35
default(in red) via 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 proto static
12:38
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, do you use localapps for LTSP?
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12:40
<garymc>
localapps ?
12:41
<Hyperbyte>
!localapps
12:41
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: localapps: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
12:41
<Hyperbyte>
That's not very helpful.
12:41
<garymc>
me or bot?
12:41
<Hyperbyte>
Localapps are local applications, running on the thin clients themselves, rather than on the server.
12:42
<garymc>
no i use server
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12:42
<garymc>
i wouldt know how to use local apps
12:42
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
12:42
In that case
12:42
Plug eth0 directly to your internet router, not the LTSP server
12:43
So it gets a 192.168.1. address
12:43
And configure the eth1 interface with 192.168.0.254 rather than 192.168.2.254
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12:45
<garymc>
i cant do that
12:45
<Hyperbyte>
You can't?
12:45
<garymc>
its to far away
12:46
im in an office the router is miles away
12:46
the internet cables come into a server box and cables aint long enough
12:47
to reach me
12:47
i would have to set this test server up in the server room
12:48
pure ball ache, cramped and noisey
12:48
:(
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12:49
<garymc>
wouldnt i do that once this test server is working correctly
12:50
ifg i can get the test client to boot then i will know im on the right track...yes?
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12:55
<garymc>
Hyperbyte : you still here?
12:57
<Hyperbyte>
Yes, you can get the test client to boot without this last step.
12:57
Let's continue then with 192.168.2.254, we'll change it later.
12:57
Although you're gonna need internet for ltsp-build-client I think, alkisg?
12:58
<alkisg>
Yes, unless he uses the alternate cdrom + some params in the ltsp-build-client command line
13:01
<garymc>
I used the alternate CD
13:04
ok im ready
13:04
when you are
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13:07
<Hyperbyte>
Me?
13:07
<garymc>
i think so yes
13:07
<Hyperbyte>
I have no idea about the Alternate CD commands
13:07
<garymc>
[13:57] Hyperbyte Let's continue then with 192.168.2.254, we'll change it later.
13:07
<Hyperbyte>
14:57 <Hyperbyte> Although you're gonna need internet for ltsp-build-client I think
13:08
You could just route some connection from your server room to where you are testing your server.
13:08
I don't believe you don't have cables running there already which you can re-route to get server an 192.168.1.x IP
13:09
<garymc>
no, im looking for a massive long cable
13:09
i have plugs on wall, but the all connect into switch in server room
13:09
internet cable is long enough to go right into server from under floor
13:10
in server room
13:10
i need a really long cable
13:10
<Hyperbyte>
And you can't just interconnect the two?
13:10
You don't have patch panels?
13:10
<garymc>
a good 40 metres
13:10
I dont even know what a patch panel is
13:10
<Hyperbyte>
:(
13:10* Hyperbyte cries inside.
13:10
<garymc>
I set this up last year, and as you can see, its more like the server Jack Built
13:11
obviously went about it the wrong way
13:11
got it to work and left it
13:11
now I need to upgrade, problems arise
13:11
<Hyperbyte>
Yep.
13:12
<garymc>
ok I have a cable that reaches
13:12
atemp one
13:13
<Hyperbyte>
http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl:8080/~jan/serverrack2.jpg
13:14
Two panels at top are patch panels.
13:14
All cables running from desks arrive in those panels. From there I can connect them into the switch, or anything I like.
13:14
If I feel like routing my second network connection here near my desk, straight into the SDSL modem, it's a matter of plugging one cable in somewhere else.
13:15
<garymc>
yeah my dsl modem isnt in the server room. Stupid I know
13:15
<Hyperbyte>
So?
13:15
Even if it isn't, with patch panels you can still route.
13:15
<garymc>
but I have a cable to it now so lets go
13:16
:)
13:16
so I plug internet into eth0
13:16
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, and pick 192.168.0.254 for eth1
13:17
<garymc>
will that not conflict with current server?
13:17
<Hyperbyte>
Then verify ifconfig looks like you expect it to, with correct IP addresses
13:18
Then verify you have internet
13:18
<garymc>
ok
13:18
<Hyperbyte>
THen
13:18
ltsp-build-client --arch i386
13:18
<garymc>
i have 64 bit thin clients
13:19
<Hyperbyte>
Well, then you can leave out the --arch i386
13:20
<garymc>
hang on, which connection do I remove, the one going to the switch or the one going to the swithc with the ltsp on
13:20
let me rephrase
13:20
<Hyperbyte>
eth0 -> internet
13:20
<garymc>
eth1 connects to me test switch
13:21
eth0 connects to my running switch with other servers etc
13:21
<Hyperbyte>
15:20 <Hyperbyte> eth0 -> internet
13:24
<garymc>
ok i changed ip to 192.168.0.254 but ifconfig still shows 192.168.2.254
13:24
???
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13:25
<Hyperbyte>
sudo ifdown eth1
13:25
sudo ifup eth1
13:25
What about eth0, what does that show?
13:26
<garymc>
done sudo ifdown eth1 : it says eth1 not configured
13:26
eth0 is now 192.168.1.81
13:26
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, ehm, can you disable and renable the interface from network manager?
13:27
I'm not too experience with network config. :(
13:27
Else, what the hell, give it a reboot. :P
13:27
Then you also know network configuration is good on startup.
13:29
sudo service networking restart
13:29
sudo service network-manager restart
13:29
would've done it by the way, if you haven't rebooted yet.
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<garymc>
ok reboot fine
13:36
<Hyperbyte>
eth0 = 192.168.1.81, eth1 = 192.168.0.254?
13:36
<garymc>
yep
13:36
<Hyperbyte>
netstat -lpn | grep :67
13:38
<garymc>
t hat command doest work do i need to sudo?
13:38
<Hyperbyte>
Yes please.
13:38
<garymc>
ok nothing happened
13:38
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
13:38
Type 'dhcpd', pastebin output
13:39
<garymc>
no command found
13:39
did i mean ........etc etc
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
dhcp3d
13:39
No
13:39
<alkisg>
sudo service dhcp3-server start
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
Huh... what's the dhcpd server called with dhcp3-server?
13:40
alkisg, I was more looking to get the raw output from the daemon command :)
13:40
<garymc>
i think its dhcp3-server
13:40
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: it should have some parameters there, but why not check the logs?
13:40
tail /var/log/daemon.log
13:41
<garymc>
alkisg sudo service dhcp3-server start : just ran this command and dhcp server started ok
13:41
<Hyperbyte>
netstat -lpn | grep :67
13:43
<garymc>
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:*
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<Hyperbyte>
update-rc.d dhcp3-server enable
13:44
(sudo)
13:45
ls /opt/ltsp/
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<garymc>
done
13:45
amd64 images
13:45
<Hyperbyte>
!update-sshkeys
13:45
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'update-sshkeys', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'
13:46
<Hyperbyte>
!ltsp-update-sshkeys
13:46
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
13:46
<Hyperbyte>
Do that
13:46
<garymc>
do both
13:46
<Hyperbyte>
Yes.
13:47
<garymc>
ok doing it
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<Hyperbyte>
Boot client, taadaa, it works.
13:47* Hyperbyte crosses fingers
13:47
<garymc>
ok this test client is a sony vaio, not 100% its a 64 bit
13:48
i will get the 64 bit one now to test as this one has failed
13:48
<Hyperbyte>
Failed, how?
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13:53
<garymc>
said not 64 bit cpu
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<Hyperbyte>
That's great!
13:54
<garymc>
thats a testr client, but im getting a proper one
13:54
<Hyperbyte>
Means a 64-bit one should boot. :)
13:54
Hey jammcq!
13:54
<jammcq>
hey hey
14:01
<garymc>
ok 64 bit one setup and waiting to boot
14:02
<Hyperbyte>
Go go go go! :-)
14:02
<garymc>
ok hurray we are in
14:02
kaaa bling
14:03
<Hyperbyte>
Now you can set up to your liking, install the applications, you need, configure it...
14:03
<garymc>
seems to run quiker too
14:03
<Hyperbyte>
And when you're done, remove the old server, and plug in the new.
14:03
Everything should work then.
14:03
<garymc>
ok but will my asterisk still work if i swap this now?
14:03
and the phones
14:03
<Hyperbyte>
Where is Asterisk running?
14:03
<garymc>
should i power all down first
14:04
its on the 192.168.0.254 netwrok
14:04
<Hyperbyte>
Don't swap it 'now', by the way... sit on it a little bit, test it...
14:04
Asterisk is a different server, correct?
14:05
<garymc>
yes
14:05
<Hyperbyte>
Why, by the way?
14:05
<garymc>
cos it controls all my office phones
14:05
and stores all calls
14:05
recordings
14:06
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, but why is Asterisk not on your main LTSP Linux server?
14:06
Why do you want a seperate server for it?
14:06
<garymc>
cos I wanted to keep it seperate
14:06
cos i can
14:06
?
14:06
i was advised to
14:07
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
14:07
Sure, you can.
14:08
Either way, it'll work with the new server.
14:08
But if the Asterisk server relies on DHCP (which is a very bad idea for a server), it'll probably get a new IP
14:09
But I don't get one thing.
14:09
How does your Asterisk server connect to the internet?
14:11
<garymc>
it has a eth1 and eth0
14:11
one of those has a direct cable to the router
14:11
all calls are isdn in our office
14:11
we use voip as a backup
14:11
<Hyperbyte>
Ah
14:12
<garymc>
im running update manager on the server now
14:12
<Hyperbyte>
I'm all voip all the way. Been using Asterisk since late 2007. :)
14:12
<garymc>
gonna reboot and see if all still works
14:12
cool
14:12
but our internet connection in the office is not so good
14:12
we are rural
14:12
<Hyperbyte>
If you want my advice
14:12
<garymc>
yes
14:12
<Hyperbyte>
Configure your Asterisk server with a static IP address
14:13
Or is it already?
14:14
In fact, I would configure my Asterisk server and all my phones with a static IP address, in a different range than 192.168.0.x
14:14
You seperate Asterisk from your main server, to keep it seperate, yet without the main server, your phones don't work
14:14
That's not good.
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<Hyperbyte>
(that last sentence was a bit strange, but I'm quite tired actually)
14:16
Or, if you really like using DHCP, you could also put all the phones on another switch, together with the Asterisk server, and run DHCP on the Asterisk server as well.
14:16
It'll only cost you one switch, and then your phones aren't dependant anymore on the LTSP server for DHCP.
14:17
<andygraybeal>
is there a graphical 'ps' or 'htop' that my users can use? i love htop, but it isn't intuitive enough for my users (without frustration). does anyone have a recommendation?
14:17
<Hyperbyte>
(just thinking out loud here)
14:18
<andygraybeal>
they want to be able to kill processes or their logons (if they logon and forget to logoff)
14:18
<garymc>
all seems ok after running updates
14:18
so if i replace server in theory it should now work fine
14:18
do you know anything about shared launchers
14:18
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, no, it won't - did you read what I wrote above?
14:18
<garymc>
I place them in a folder and they appear on all users desktops
14:18
<Hyperbyte>
You need to check your Asterisk configuration, and if possibe, improve it before you switch servers.
14:19
Asterisk configuration -> asterisk/phones network infrastructure
14:19
<garymc>
hmmmm dont really wanna mess with phone system, been workin fine for over a year
14:20
my thin clients connect through phone so need them on the same swithch
14:20
<Hyperbyte>
...
14:20
Experiment time.
14:21
Grab a phone, put it in your test network, between the new server and the test thin client.
14:21
See if that does anything to speed. Just curious.
14:21
The phone won't be able to call, but it should still route network packets.
14:21
<garymc>
hmm could that have been slowing everything down?
14:22
<Hyperbyte>
I don't know?
14:22
That's why I said 'experiment' :)
14:22
<garymc>
cos old server is slow
14:22
i will now
14:23
<Hyperbyte>
When I hear someone connecting thin clients through a phone, I say 'experiment time' because I'm curious, not because I think the phones are the cause. :)
14:24
I've never ran a thin client through a phone. Actually, I run softphones on my thin clients. ;-) But that's a different story.
14:25
<garymc>
should i power up the phone
14:25
<andygraybeal>
looks like "System -> Administration -> System Monitor - is the answer
14:25
<garymc>
or just route it through
14:26
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, I think the phone won't route without power
14:26
Try it. :)
14:27
<garymc>
already has power, just been looking for a power cord but the swithc is POE
14:27
:)
14:27
<Hyperbyte>
:)
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<garymc>
works fine
14:29
im gonna replace and see what happens
14:37
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, glad it all works. I will PM you my bank details in a bit with hours spent and money you owe me.
14:37
<garymc>
ok
14:37
<Hyperbyte>
huh, what? :P
14:37
I'm kidding. :)
14:37
<garymc>
:P
14:37
<Hyperbyte>
That's not really the reaction I expected. :P
14:38
But if you wanna give something back, please stick around in the channel and help others where you can. Plus it's a good way to pick up knowledge about LTSP too. ;-)
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<garymc>
cool i will do my best
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<m4xx>
i just got ubuntu 10.04 server installed on my new box and installed ltsp 5. The greeter comes up just fine, but when I log in it sys it's "/usr/bin/xauth: creating new authority file /home/user/.Xauthority" then a command line opens in the top left corner instead of a desktop opening up
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<m4xx>
this is like my third box installing ltsp on and i've never ran into this before
15:23
<Blinny>
Had to order 8GB more RAM for my Lucid server. Lucid eats so much more RAM than Hardy.
15:27
<m4xx>
on my previous installs i had installed gnome-core on the server itself or is that already in the image?
15:28
sorry, i'm typing fast than im thinking.
15:29
on my previous installs i installed gnome-core on the server. do i need to do this or is it already a part of the image
15:30
<stgraber>
m4xx: what's the output of "ldminfod | grep session-with-name" on your server?
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<m4xx>
blank
15:33
<stgraber>
that'd be your problem then ;)
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<stgraber>
do you have anything in /usr/share/xsessions ?
15:34
<garymc>
Yo Hyperbyte you still here?
15:34
<m4xx>
that directory doesn't exist
15:34
<garymc>
just plugged new server in and all stuff, and it failed
15:34
nothing would boot etc
15:34
<stgraber>
m4xx: do you have gnome-session installed at all? (or any other desktop environment)
15:35
<m4xx>
no sir
15:36
<stgraber>
well, then ldminfod won't be able to find any available desktop session so won't announce that on the network, which means ldm won't know about them and so will automatically select the fallback xterm session
15:36
<m4xx>
so i do need to install gnome-core
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<stgraber>
I'm not sure what gnome-core is, it seems to be a fairly old meta package. gnome-session is what you need to have the session listed
15:41
quite probably a few more packages too
15:41
<Blinny>
m4xx: You'll probably have much better luck with the -desktop rather than -server. -- Recall that packages are maintained for X years based on their function, not whether they're in -desktop or -server.
15:42
Using -desktop means it Just Works (tm).
15:47
<m4xx>
if i use the desktop then i have to un-install a bunch of stuff like the games and what not
15:48
is there any easy way to do that?
15:48
<Blinny>
Last I checked, Ubuntu had meta packages for that type of stuff.
15:49
apt-get remove gnome-games-common
15:53
My sneaking suspicion is that it's not Lucid, but rather flash - Using the sevenmachines PPA for a 64-bit flash means each instance crashes less often, and therefore uses much more RAM per Firefox page load.
15:53
Have there been any studies of Chromium vs. Firefox in an LTSP environment?
15:57
<m4xx>
has anyone used a touchscreen with ltsp?
15:59
i just got a Planar LA1950RTR. It has a usb interface. It almost works. If i touch anywhere it move to the top left corner of the screen
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<m4xx>
Afternoon Gadi :)
16:13
<Gadi>
hey
16:14
<m4xx>
any chance i can drag you into helping me get my touchscreen working on a thinclient? I've installed the drivers and it's still acting odd. At first it would just put the mouse in the top left corner. Now it seems that the controls reverse. up is down and down is up.
16:14
left/right are fine though
16:15
<Gadi>
serial?
16:15
<m4xx>
usb
16:15
<Gadi>
elo?
16:15
<m4xx>
Planar LA1950RTR
16:15
<Gadi>
which driver?
16:16
<m4xx>
http://apps.planar.com/downloads/touchscreen/
16:16
If you select LA1950RTR it's the only part number, i then select linux 32 bit for OS
16:16
hmm
16:16
i take that back
16:16
i guess i had a glitch
16:16
perhaps i had gotten the wrong driver
16:17
newp, looks to be the same file
16:18
TouchKit-3.05.5025-Linux-26-32bit.zip
16:22
<pscheie_>
jammcq, pong
16:23
<Gadi>
m4xx: did you follow the readme
16:23
<m4xx>
yes sir
16:23
when i try to calibrate it
16:23
<Gadi>
build the module, blacklist the builtin bmodule, etc
16:23
<jammcq>
pscheie_: hey
16:23
<m4xx>
hmm
16:23
<Gadi>
*module
16:24
<m4xx>
that should have all been done by the script
16:24
<pscheie_>
jammcq, got my plane ticket, so you can add me to the list of attendees for BTS on the wiki page.
16:24
<jammcq>
great!
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<pscheie_>
I tried to edit the page myself, but failed; probably don't have the necessary permissions.
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<Gadi>
m4xx: doubt the script would blacklist things
16:30
<garymc>
Hyperbyte : I swapped servers and it never worked. If I plug in the wrong cable into eth0 and eth1 (wrong way around) would that stop it working
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17:03
<alkisg>
Yey! It looks like I'll make it to BTS after all. :)
17:03
<stgraber>
alkisg: cool, got the sponsorship confirmation?
17:04
<alkisg>
Just now, still reading through it...
17:04
I have lots of stuff to do to get ready!
17:04
E.g. it says I'll need a roomie for the UDS
17:05
<stgraber>
ah, that's just details, I usually just let that field empty and they assign me someone at random (from Canonical now since I started working for them)
17:05
just let me know when you start booking your flights so we can arrange to leave from Bangor at the same time
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<alkisg>
Will do... /me tries to get the stuff he needs to do in order...
17:13
<jammcq>
alkisg: !!!!!!!!!!!
17:13
<alkisg>
:)
17:13
I'll finally meet you guys in person!
17:14
<jammcq>
yessir
17:14
that'll be great
17:23
<stgraber>
jammcq: do you know if ogra_ is coming this year?
17:23
<ogra_>
if i can sort my flights in time
17:23
:)
17:23
<stgraber>
seems like we'll be at least 3 flying to UDS just after BTS, 4 if ogra_ is coming
17:23
<jammcq>
hey, there he is :)
17:23
stgraber: almost enough to charter your own plane :)
17:24
<ogra_>
i have to take care for that this week, i should be able to tell you on friday
17:24
<jammcq>
or just borrow Mark's plane
17:24
<ogra_>
thats likely in use at that time :)
17:24
given he goes to uds as well
17:25
<stgraber>
ogra_: I'm flying to Orlando with US3711 (10am in Bangor, ME on Sunday to La Guardia), then DL1685 (form La Guardia to Orlando, arrivng at 5pm, early enough to be at 7pm at the hotel for the Canonical event)
17:25
<ogra_>
yeah, i'll try to get something similar, did you book all of it through the agent ?
17:25
<stgraber>
yeah, I booked it through the US agent (corporate traveler)
17:26
<ogra_>
paying one hop yourself or all billed to the company ?
17:26
<stgraber>
all billed to the company as it was the same price flying from Montreal or from Bangor
17:27
<ogra_>
ah, you dont fly to bangor
17:27
<stgraber>
(driving down to BTS, then flying to UDS from Bangor and then flying back to Montreal)
17:27
<ogra_>
for me there is one continental flight more :)
17:27
<stgraber>
right, mgariepy is driving down anyway, so it's a lot easier to just get a ride from him :)
17:28
ogra_: indeed :)
17:29
ogra_: in that kind of case, I'd usually ask for two quotes, one going only to UDS and the other with the flights needed for BTS, then just send that to Marianna saying that you pay the difference. It's easier than trying to book the extra flights yourself
17:30
<ogra_>
wedll, booking it myself is 5min of work in a web form and it usually costs 1/3 of the price the agent offers me
17:31
<stgraber>
yeah, that's assuming the UDS flights happen to have connections somewhere close to BTS, but I guess flying from Germany you probably have a connection in New York, Philadelphia or somewhere around there
17:34
<ogra_>
well, i will definitely make canonical pay for both oversea flights
17:34
its just bangor->orlando
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<andygraybeal>
my users keep logging in and forgetting to log out. when they log back in on another terminal, they would like to close their old logins. what specifically should we be looking for to close this old login?
18:16
i am thinking that we should end a process with "System Monitor" at this point.
18:17
or how do have them logout their other sessions?
18:17
they are two lazy to go around to the terminals and find which one they logged into. or is this the best way and what I should be recommending?
18:18
<Gadi>
andygraybeal: try: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION = True in lts.conf
18:19
<andygraybeal>
Gadi, hmmm... this might piss them off :) but i will consider it and talk it over with them.
18:19
<Gadi>
piss them off?
18:19
<abeehc>
poor users
18:19
i think they'll pull through
18:19
<Gadi>
it will simply logout the old session
18:19
like you want
18:19
<andygraybeal>
Gadi, omg.. yes this is exactly what i want!!
18:20
<alkisg>
andygraybeal: there's also a LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT to show them a dialog before killing their old login
18:20
*session
18:20
<andygraybeal>
alkisg, okay, this is interesting.
18:21
hmm. okay this is getting better.
18:22
thank you Gadi and alkisg, i will try this right now.
18:28
okay, testing, brb
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18:32
<andygraybeal>
works swimmingly!
18:32
very good, very good. everyone will be happy.
18:35
Gadi, i at first imagined that it would not let them log on fi they were already logged in somewhere else.
18:35
i misunderstood.
18:35
okay, i gotta show it off.
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<andygraybeal>
okay, for whatever reason - i'm on the same machine, using different screens. i login to 12, then switch to 11, then login - when i say yes close out my previous login, it takes me back to screen 12 (on the login screen) i have to switch back to 11 to get to my new login. (i h ope this makes sense?)
18:44
maybe i'll re-explain - i first login to screen 12, then i login to screen 11, it asks to close the previous session (screen 12) and i say, "OK" then it dumps me back at screen 12 at the login screen. i have to switch to screen 11 to be where i just logged in at. is this normal?
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<abeehc>
more or less that sounds like the expected behaviour if your talking different virtual terminals on the same machine the fact it switches between them is likely also not unexpected - it's also wierd you'd do that
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18:50
<andygraybeal>
yes, it's weird, i'm testing :)
18:50
<abeehc>
well i'd test scenarios your users would actually run into
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<andygraybeal>
yea, they would run into this eventually ... forget what machine they logged into and not bother to see what virtual screen they are on.
18:51
thank you for the response abeehc
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18:51
<abeehc>
haha they'd end up in a fun loopp yeah
18:51
<andygraybeal>
this is great, this will cause a lot less confusion.
18:52
yea, i think everyone here smokes crack... or atleast teh majority.
18:52
<abeehc>
that would kinda suck but i think it's the nature of x being restarted the terminal will jump back ot that vt
18:52
lol i have many of those too
18:52
<andygraybeal>
okay thank you for the technical high level explanation.
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18:53
<andygraybeal>
thank you for understanding what i wrote to.
18:57
i can't wait to tell everyone about this.
19:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all
19:02
never seen this message before
19:02
I am testing oneric daily today
19:02
and am attempting ltsp-build-client
19:03
it stops almost immediately with the following: "E: Invalid Release signature (key id <long string>)
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19:27
<JetSetWilly>
Hi , i am trying to setup rdesktop and RS-232 com1 printer redirection , is there any way i can setup sshserver on PXE thin client so can setup some Serial port sniffer ?
19:28
I am using LTSP 5
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19:34
<m4xx>
when running "ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp/ --chroot fati386 --prompt-rootpass" it gets to libsexy2_0.1.11 and dies with "Unable to fetch some archives maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing"
19:34
i've run apt-get update and i still get the error
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<vagrantc>
JetSetWilly: i don't know the details, but you should be able to use a serial printer with the standard LDM_PRINTER options in lts.conf
19:39
m4xx: if you're using a proxy, it may have cached a bunk package
19:39
m4xx: or your mirror may be out of sync
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<m4xx>
can someone point me to better reading than https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients, it doesn't really tell you where one part stops and the next starts
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19:56
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx, just browsed through it, and it seems pretty clear.
19:56
What part are you having difficulty with?
19:56
<m4xx>
the plug-ins is that either or?
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<m4xx>
n/m i've been up way to long =[
19:57
<Hyperbyte>
Forget about plugins.
19:57
Links to scripts don't even work in that article.
19:58
Start with "Building the chroot"
20:01
<m4xx>
can i use libnss-mysql-bg instead of ldap?
20:02* Hyperbyte shrugs.
20:06
<alkisg>
m4xx: that page is very old, if you want fat clients better use the newer implementation
20:06
!fatclients
20:06
<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
20:07
<shawnp0wers>
For the record, I've had really really bad performance with all my FatClient attempts. :(
20:07
<m4xx>
what kind of clients did you have?
20:07
<alkisg>
Fat clients should have the same performance as local installations
20:07
<shawnp0wers>
Probably due to less-than-gigabit network speeds
20:07
<alkisg>
If you got anything different, it was a misconfiguration
20:07
<shawnp0wers>
My clients are dual core AMD machines, with 2.something Ghz CPUS, and 4GB of ram.
20:08
<alkisg>
100mbps for each fat client is enough
20:08
Then you should have boot speed about 12 secs, openoffice in 2 secs etc
20:08
<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: I really had horrible performance with them, but as thin clients, they scream
20:08
<alkisg>
Misconfiguration then
20:08
<shawnp0wers>
Possibly, but I'm not sure what I could have configured differently
20:08
<alkisg>
The LTSP server is just a network disk for them
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20:09
<alkisg>
I don't know, it would need troubleshooting
20:09
Which distro/version did you try?
20:09
<shawnp0wers>
Right, but things seemed to take forever to load, long time to log in, etc, etc
20:09
I tried 10.04, and also 11.04, thinking it was due to version
20:09
<alkisg>
Did you disable nbd_proxy and also re-enabled nbd compression?
20:10
<shawnp0wers>
I most likely did not.
20:10
It was just out-of-the-box
20:10
<alkisg>
nbd compression speeds things up 3 times, it was the default up until 9.10
20:10
<shawnp0wers>
That could very well explain it.
20:10
<alkisg>
And nbd-proxy slows things down too
20:10
But even with nbd compression off, they should be much faster than thin clients
20:10
<shawnp0wers>
As it is, 11.04 with remote_apps solved all my issues
20:10
(the ones I was trying to get fixed by installing fat clients)
20:10
<alkisg>
Remote? Or local?
20:11
<shawnp0wers>
local apps opening documents with remote apps
20:11
(ie, click on a file in firefox, have it open with openoffice on the server)
20:11
You and I troubleshot this together I think
20:11
I believe you wrote the ltsp_open stuff. :)
20:12
<alkisg>
Not really, just gave some ideas about it :)
20:12
<shawnp0wers>
Anyway, it's pretty much working now. I had to manually assign ltsp_open (or whatever the binary is called) in firefox for a few pesky mime-types
20:12
but it's working now
20:12
<alkisg>
But really fat clients should be like local installations
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20:12
<alkisg>
Anything different is worth some troubleshooting
20:12
<shawnp0wers>
I found that on my bench they worked pretty well
20:13
but if I put them into my greater network, they were painfully slow
20:13
espeically when connected to 100mbit
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20:13
<shawnp0wers>
(my bench is all gig)
20:13
<alkisg>
I might have been the nbd stuff
20:13
<shawnp0wers>
It could be, it certainly felt network related
20:13
<alkisg>
If thin clients work ok, fat clients should fly on the same network
20:13
<shawnp0wers>
But it's hard to beat OpenOffice opening from a thin client. That program shares memory *really* well on the server.
20:15
<alkisg>
Measured on a lab with 13 fat clients: boot = 13 secs, openoffice first time = 5 secs, second time = 2 secs
20:15
4 year old clients
20:16
<shawnp0wers>
That is definately not what I was getting. But I'm not complaining at all, things are going swimmingly so far. (second day of school)
20:16
I have about 250 thin clients this year, and so far all are working well.
20:16
<alkisg>
How many servers?
20:16
<shawnp0wers>
6
20:17* alkisg would like to try 250 fat clients with a single server :)
20:17
<shawnp0wers>
oh, that's a lie 7
20:17
:)
20:17
I used to run 110 thin clients from one server with LTSP4.2
20:17
Only about 100 of my thin clients are of the variety I'd make fat clients
20:17
the others are disklessworkstation Atom machines
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20:18
<shawnp0wers>
nice thin clients, but pokey fat clients
20:18
(the 1620 model)
20:18
<alkisg>
Yeah atom is kinda slow for fat
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20:18
<m4xx>
is it a waste of time to try it with these 1720s?
20:18
<alkisg>
It usually has problems even with one full screen flash site
20:19
m4xx: install some distro in a local hard disk (e.g. a usb one)
20:19
<shawnp0wers>
m4xx: I was very disappointed with the 1620s as fat clients
20:19
<alkisg>
What you'll is how fast fat clients will be
20:19
<shawnp0wers>
even on my test bench
20:20
<alkisg>
*see
20:22
<garymc>
alkisg: well my new upgraded ltsp server now works. i got one problem you may know how I fix. When I reboot the server dhcp3-server needs to be started each time, why is it not starting on boot?
20:22
<m4xx>
ls
20:22
oops
20:22
lol
20:22
<garymc>
or is that an ubuntu question?
20:24
<alkisg>
garymc, please ask in the channel, not specific persons
20:24
<garymc>
oh ok sorry
20:24
I got one problem you may know how I fix. When I reboot the server dhcp3-server needs to be started each time, why is it not starting on boot?
20:25
<m4xx>
garymc: do you have another dhcp server running on the network?
20:25
<garymc>
hmm only my web router
20:25
<m4xx>
try turning it off for a minute and see if you still have the problem
20:26
<alkisg>
garymc: how did you configure your network? with network manager, or with /etc/network/interfaces?
20:26
<garymc>
network manager
20:27
<alkisg>
Did you make a system connection, or a user-connection?
20:27
ls /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
20:27
Do you see files in that directory?
20:28
<garymc>
right i gotta enable ssh
20:28
<alkisg>
Because it's possible that your network connection is started too late, and that's why dhcp3-server doesn't start
20:29
<garymc>
sorry wont be too long
20:29
hope your still here
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20:41
<garymc>
alkisg : Auto eth1
20:41
<alkisg>
garymc: can you put its contents to pastebin?
20:42
<garymc>
yes
20:42
<alkisg>
sudo cat /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/*
20:43
<garymc>
http://pastebin.com/Bx6da5Z1
20:44
<alkisg>
garymc: I'm talking about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/+bug/392826
20:44
So, if dhcp3-server starts before network manager, it has problems
20:45
<garymc>
ok, ill look at it now
20:45
<alkisg>
One way around it is to use /etc/network/interfaces
20:45
<garymc>
ok im listening
20:45
<alkisg>
Another is to use dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server
20:45
Just copy the /etc/network/interfaces file from your old server to your new one
20:45
And reboot
20:46
<garymc>
ok old server is unplugged
20:46
:s
20:47
<alkisg>
You put its contents to pastebin this morning
20:47
Search the irc logs for the link
20:47
<garymc>
I did?
20:47
<alkisg>
Yes, you did
20:47
:)
20:47
<garymc>
ok
20:48
is this it? http://pastebin.com/kav7Q9VN
20:50
<alkisg>
Yes
20:50
<garymc>
butthats the new one im sure
20:51
why woud i pastebin my old setup?
20:51
i havnt been working on my old setup
20:51
<alkisg>
I wasn't reading your chat with Hyperbyte, don't know
20:51
Maybe he asked you to see your current setup
20:52
<garymc>
no i didnt give him it :s
20:52
ill take a look at my interfaces files now
20:53
<alkisg>
10:38hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/kav7Q9VN
20:53
That's the time when you gave it to him
20:53
http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2011-09-07
20:53
Read the conversation to find out why
20:53
<garymc>
ok i'll copy and paste it in now
20:55
changed it. Im rebooting now to see if it works :)
20:55
how do I tell if it is running once it reboots?
20:56
ifconfig?
20:57
<alkisg>
sudo service dhcp3-server status
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21:04
<garymc>
alkisg : not running
21:05
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, update-rc.d enable dhcp3-server
21:06
<garymc>
hyperbyte file does not exist
21:08
<Hyperbyte>
Paste the complete error please.
21:08
<garymc>
ok i fixed my interfaces card back to the way it was and rebooted server, as DHCP would not start
21:08
i need them phones working in the morning :S
21:08
so better put it back
21:09
<Hyperbyte>
23:08 <Hyperbyte> Paste the complete error please.
21:10
garymc, this constantly having to repeat myself is getting a bit annoying.
21:10
"file does not exist" says nothing. I want the entire output of the update-rc.d enable dhcp3-server command
21:11
<vagrantc>
it might be called isc-dhcp-server
21:11
<garymc>
sorry got baby on shoulder
21:11
<vagrantc>
on recent versions
21:11
<Hyperbyte>
vagrantc, it's not on garymc's system.
21:11
Been at this whole day with him. =)
21:12
<vagrantc>
ok, just figured i'd check in case it was something silly :)
21:12
<Hyperbyte>
I'm just curious what file doesn't exist... :)
21:14
<garymc>
hyperbyte: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/enable: file does not exist
21:15
<Hyperbyte>
See, I thought it was something silly like that
21:15
<garymc>
hyperbyte : dhcp3 not starting after server reboot
21:15
<Hyperbyte>
I'm confusing it with systemd syntax
21:15
Did you restore /etc/network/interfaces from before?
21:15
Then type
21:15
<garymc>
i got it working again
21:15
<Hyperbyte>
update-rc.d dhcp3-server enable
21:15
And reboot.
21:15
<garymc>
yes i restored and started dhcp again
21:17
hyperbyte : this look right before i reboot ? http://pastebin.com/aULtPV6N
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21:18
<Hyperbyte>
No
21:18
sudo!
21:22
<garymc>
rebooting
21:24
dhcp not running
21:26
<Hyperbyte>
grep dhcpd /var/log/syslog
21:29
<garymc>
hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/5FUTRaZQ
21:33
<Hyperbyte>
Did you manually start it, after boot?
21:33
Because at 22:24:57 your DHCP server started.
21:34
At 22:22:00 it fails.
21:35
<garymc>
yes I manually started it
21:35
as phones need it
21:37
so the ltsp is working, I thank you very much hyperbyte would be great if I can get this last bit to work, just incase electric goes say when Im away and server reboots and phones fail
21:37
<Hyperbyte>
update-rc.d dhcp-server disable
21:37
Sorry
21:37
<garymc>
sudo?
21:37
<Hyperbyte>
sudo update-rc.d dhcp3-server disable
21:38
<garymc>
you want the output pasted?
21:38
<Hyperbyte>
sudo update-rc.d dhcp3-server enable 345
21:38
Only of the last
21:38
Not sure if syntax is correct.
21:39
<garymc>
hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/HDWHgFJq
21:39
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, would this solve it? I'm not sure about Ubuntu runlevels.
21:40
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I don't think it's a problem with runlevels, but with dhcp3-server being launched too soon, before the network interface gets an ip address
21:40
<Hyperbyte>
Righ
21:40
t
21:40
So if network starts in runlevel 2, and dhcpd in 3...?
21:40
garymc, experiment
21:40
Do these two (sudo)
21:40
rm -f /etc/rc1.d/K40dhcp3-server
21:40
rm -f /etc/rc2.d/S40dhcp3-server
21:40
<alkisg>
Runlevels 2-5 are the same in debian/ubuntu
21:40
<Hyperbyte>
Reboot... see if it's started.
21:40
<alkisg>
No difference between them
21:40
<Hyperbyte>
:(
21:40
That sucks.
21:41
Still, dhcp3-server shouldn't be in runlevel one.
21:41
Should it?
21:42* alkisg didn't read the chat above
21:43
<Hyperbyte>
garymc, just try. :) If it doesn't have desired effect we'll try something else.
21:47
<garymc>
should I still rm those two commands?
21:47
<Hyperbyte>
Yes
21:48
<garymc>
ok waiting for reboot
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<garymc>
hyperbyte : not running :(
21:51
<Hyperbyte>
Hehe, okay
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<Hyperbyte>
Let's do it the simple, hacky, way, okay?
21:52
update-rc.d dhcp3-server disable
21:52
Then edit /etc/rc.local
21:52
And above the 'exit 0' line, add /sbin/service dhcp3-server start
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<garymc>
now reboot?
21:55
<Hyperbyte>
Sure.
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<garymc>
not running
21:57
<Hyperbyte>
I don't buy that.
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<Hyperbyte>
18)$*!)$!@
21:57
It's in different path in Ubuntu.
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<Hyperbyte>
Why-o-why does every distro have to use different paths. :-)
21:58
<garymc>
shoudl I remove that line we added?
21:58
<Hyperbyte>
In rc.local, /sbin/service should be /usr/sbin/service
21:59
<garymc>
ok changed and rebooting
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<garymc>
hmm my conenction got reset?
22:05
di dI miss anything?
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<Hyperbyte>
garymc, no
22:05
Did we?
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<garymc>
well dhcpd still was not running after reboot
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<Hyperbyte>
You're kidding me, right?
22:06
<garymc>
nope
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<Hyperbyte>
Is it still stopped, or did you start it manually again?
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<garymc>
i started manually again
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<Hyperbyte>
ugh
22:06
<garymc>
i found this thread
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http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1094344.html
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<Hyperbyte>
:/
22:08
It's official. I don't like SysVInit or Upstart anymore.
22:08* Hyperbyte <3 systemd.
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<garymc>
well im stumped
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maybe I should wait a little while till my head is clear
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<Hyperbyte>
The /etc/rc.local trick should've worked
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<Hyperbyte>
What happens when you type /etc/rc.local in a prompt?
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<garymc>
if i type sudo before it, it start dhcpd3
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i will have to go now as the baby needs feeding and missus is knackered
22:12
youve been a great help, maybe we can sort this somehow this week
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<Hyperbyte>
Sure...
22:12
<garymc>
thanks again, hopefuly all is well tommorow and system and phones work fine
22:12
good night
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<Hyperbyte>
Night!
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<andygraybeal>
Everyone thinks "LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION" and "LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT" rock! thank yuo guys so much.
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<andygraybeal>
i wonder if there is a way to inform users what host or ip address they may be logged in to.
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i'm reading the LTSPManual.pdf for the first time :)
22:29
i also wonder if there is a comprehensive list of options for the lts.conf ?
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documented somewhere
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<vagrantc>
man lts.conf
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!lts.conf
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<ltsp>
vagrantc: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<vagrantc>
developers sneak new options in all the time, but that's the best bet.
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<andygraybeal>
ah okay, ldm_limit_one_session_prompt doesn't exist in the documentation that i googled.
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i think that was it
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ah mine was lucid....
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but the settings applied!
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thank you vagrantc
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<andygraybeal>
there is a way i could write a script that would inform users what host/ip they are logged in to with the addition of LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION & LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT ?
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<abeehc>
absolutely
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actually i dont know but id be lookin here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/view/head:/rc.d/S15-userLoginCheck
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<andygraybeal>
abeehc, okay, i'm looking know
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nice.
23:21
very nice.
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