IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 21 April 2012   (all times are UTC)

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09:15
<cajetanus>
hello - is anyone online ? we have a problem +
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19:30
<alkisg>
vagrantc: hi there, will you have any time within the week to work with me on the ltsp packaging a bit? Add an ltsp-server-dnsmasq package, and sync as much as possible the ubuntu packaging with the debian packaging?
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19:30
<alkisg>
And, ship some files by default in the /etc/ltsp directory
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19:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm a bit pinched for time in the next couple weeks, actually.
19:39* vagrantc is waiting on ubuntu to sync debian packaging for ltsp ...
19:40
<vagrantc>
i've put in several merge requests over the years with limited results
19:40
<alkisg>
vagrantc: np, could you give me a link to your packaging branch though, to try just that? ^
19:40
I know we'll still have some delta, but I want to sync whatever can be easily synced without resorting to debian/rules or makefiles...
19:41
<vagrantc>
alkisg: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging is a mirror of http://anonscm.debian.org/loggerhead/pkg-ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging/files
19:41
<alkisg>
Ty :) I'll also do a lot of code commits in the next weeks, hope you don't mind
19:41
<vagrantc>
alkisg: thanks for trying :)
19:42
i hope they'll be good :)
19:42
<alkisg>
...merging some ltsp-pnp bits into upstream, e.g. the export-root part into ltsp-update-image
19:42
So ltsp-update-image will grow a prepare.d directory etc
19:43
<vagrantc>
nice.
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19:46
<alkisg>
Unfortunately dnsmasq by default wasn't such a good idea, but an ltsp-server-dnsmasq package sounds good,
19:46
and the whole ltsp-pnp concept can just become an "ltsp-update-image --export-root" parameter
19:46
<vagrantc>
exciting!
19:46
<alkisg>
In the future, ltsp-update-image might have hooks for NFS mounted dirs or .vdi dirs etc
19:46
<vagrantc>
alkisg: does proxydhcp have the same issues?
19:46
<alkisg>
No
19:47
Proxy works without problems, as long as your real dhcp server (router etc) have no problem themselves
19:47
<vagrantc>
could you have dnsmasq running in proxydhcp mode by default, and still run isc-dhcp-server on the same server?
19:47
yeah, i figured it'd be like that
19:48
<alkisg>
One could comment one line in /etc/dnsmasq.d/boot-server.conf to disable the dhcp functionality of dnsmasq...
19:48
<vagrantc>
(although a fair number of routers use dnsmasq under the hood)
19:48
<alkisg>
...or specify different interfaces/addresses for them to listen in
19:48
For 10-20 clients it's not really a problem
19:48
But for e.g. 100+ clients, dnsmasq as a dhcp server has problems
19:49
Also I don't know if we want the tftp symlnks allowed by dnsmasq or not (for tftpd-hpa compatibility)
19:49
Maybe we should postpone it until the feature request is implemented in tftpd-hpa
19:49
<vagrantc>
symlinks work with tftpd-hpa as long as it's within the root, yes?
19:49
within the tftproot
19:49
<alkisg>
Yes, so we can't link to /usr/lib/syslinux
19:49
Or to CHROOT/nfs/boot
19:49
<vagrantc>
right
19:50
hence, ltsp-update-kernels copying everything
19:50
<alkisg>
Right
19:50
But do we want 2 different dirs? i386-nbd and i386-nfs?
19:51
They _may_ end up having different kernel versions, and they'll also have different kernel options in pxelinux.cfg/default (or pxelinux.inc)
19:51
<vagrantc>
ah.
19:51
<alkisg>
So I think we should separate them, but of course there are compatibility concerns here
19:51
<vagrantc>
they could use the same kernel/initrd, as long as they were kept in sync ... but it's possible they diverge, yes.
19:52
i'd like one menu that allows booting either ...
19:52
<alkisg>
Btw Hyperbyte said that he's against menus :)
19:52
They confuse his users :D
19:52
So he wants them off by default, or if not, he definately wants an option to disable them
19:54
<vagrantc>
i'm fine with disabling menus by default, as long as it's easy to turn them on
19:56
<alkisg>
OK I'll commit most of the changes within a couple of weeks, and we can then spend a few days fine-tuning them
19:56
<vagrantc>
hopefully i'll be able to take a poke them?
19:57
<alkisg>
After commit? Sure, as always! Before commit? Most of the code is in ltsp-pnp now, https://code.launchpad.net/~alkisg/+junk/ltsp-pnp
19:59
1) ltsp-update-image grows, 2) ltsp-server-dnsmasq package, 3) ship some files in /etc/ltsp by default, 4) pxe menus, 5) ssh/ldm checks by hostname instead of ip - I think that's about it
20:01
After that, Phantomas will also have a new users-management tool ready (similar to kuser but with more options), so school LTSP installations will be easier than ever
20:01
If that tool proves to be good enough, it might also be of interest to other debian/ubuntu users...
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