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Channel log from 16 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<MrMoo>
I saw the Spanish comments on Pulse/Flash 9 will have to check soon
03:27
Having some hardware compatibility issues with Edgy to diagnose first ... :(
03:28
Geode support seems to have got worse
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<patrickb>
top
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<erikyy>
hello. ltsp-4.2 always tells me "(EE) no drivers available"
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<erikyy>
ltsp-4.1 runs without problems
06:13
what am i doing wrong?
06:20
ah i see. x error log sais it finds an ati card but it does not load ati driver. after specifying XSERVER=ati everything works
06:21
but then i have another machine. right after booting it starts to display the penguin and all the rest of the screen is unreadable. can i somehow deactivate framebuffer stuff on console???
06:45
s there a way to control mouse speed? X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION has no effect
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<McPolo>
erikyy: I guess that's easiest done in GUI.
06:54
<erikyy>
mcpolo: but i use rdesktop
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<erikyy>
i added mousespeed support to LTSP rdesktop
07:44
and also randomized hostname generation ..... :)
07:46
damn :( ltsp does not contain the xset command :(
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08:17
<pscheie>
morning jammcq
08:18
<jammcq>
hey pscheie
08:18
<pscheie>
dhcpd listens on port 67, right? or so says my Droms & Lemon book
08:19
do you know why nmap doesn't show anything listening on port 67?
08:19
Is it because it's UDP?
08:24
<jammcq>
well, even UDP sockets should show up
08:24
although you might need to specify an option to nmap
08:24
I'd use: netstat -anp | grep ":67 "
08:24
on the server
08:25
<cliebow_>
jammcq:!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:28
<jammcq>
hey chuck
08:30
<cliebow_>
I am in Stevejobs land today..
08:31
trying to compile
08:34
weird:appears to be installing openssi..to run ktouch??
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<ninou>
hi
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:53
<cliebow_>
Scottie:!!
08:56
<erikyy>
i have massive mouse problems witrh ltsp-4.2
08:56
first he always takes two pixels at once when moving the mouse. second i cannot get mousewheel to work.
08:56
<cliebow_>
did you try imps2 instead of ps2?
08:56
<erikyy>
ok i do.
08:57
<cliebow_>
give er a whirl 8~)
08:57
<erikyy>
no changes
08:57
if i try "logitech" then he correctly takes one pixel per move
08:57
<cliebow_>
you rebooted the client?
08:57
<erikyy>
but anyway i cannot get mousewheel to work
08:57
sure
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<erikyy>
:-(
09:00
i'm completely puzzled
09:02
<sbalneav>
Can you paste your lts.conf file to http://pastebin.ca, and post the link here?
09:03
<erikyy>
http://pastebin.ca/250022
09:06
( RDP_MOUSE_XSET is my own addon to rdesktop screen so that xset is called first to adjust mouse speed )
09:06
but as you see i am running with "startx" and use "xev" to check for wheel events, but there are none
09:07
<sbalneav>
What type of mouse is it?
09:08
<erikyy>
does not matter. i tried logitech, fujitsu and others
09:10
<sbalneav>
X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Intellimouse" should work.
09:11
<erikyy>
i give it a try
09:12
no. mouse goes completely crazy
09:15
<sbalneav>
Hm
09:15
Well, either one of those should work. What happens if you use a USB mouse?
09:15
Maybe something's funny with the PS/2 port?
09:17
<erikyy>
problem is that i get these problems on all my hosts
09:19
<sbalneav>
What happens with "X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = Microsoft"?
09:19
<Gadi>
what is your xset command?
09:19
I have made this mod as well
09:19
and havent had issues
09:20
<erikyy>
xset m 1 1
09:20
but here i use "startx" which is ltsp original
09:20
<Gadi>
I add the following to my rdesktop.wrapper script:
09:20
/usr/X11R6/bin/xset m ${X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION:-400}/200 6
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and then set X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION as desired
09:21
<erikyy>
X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION has no effect here
09:21
whatever i set it it is always ignored
09:21
<Gadi>
it does if you add the line I just pasted
09:21
:)
09:21
/usr/X11R6/bin/xset m ${X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION:-400}/200 6
09:22
<erikyy>
well ;) but the xserver itself still ignores that setting
09:22
maybe i am booting the wrong kernel
09:22
ltsp-4.2 has two kernels.
09:22
which one should i use?
09:22
<Gadi>
not if you add it in rdesktop.wrapper
09:23
<erikyy>
soon ill take debian stable and mount it by nfs-root
09:23
:(
09:23
so much effort to get ltsp running
09:23
<Gadi>
*sigh* it would help to take the banana out of your ear
09:24
<erikyy>
gadi: xset is not setting the mouse speed. it sets acceleration and threshhold
09:24
mouse speed is set by X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION which maps to a certain xorg.conf parameter
09:26
i dunno understand whats going wrong here with that damn mouse wheel
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<cliebow_>
erikyy: you have both 4.1 and 4,2 installed right? Sure you are editng the right lts.conf..sorry.had to ask
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<erikyy>
cliebow_ right. but i am sure i didn't mix lts.conf
09:38
cliebow_ because i see mouse type logitech works, mousetype ps/2 does not work.
09:39
hmmmmm.... using debian would make my local apps simpler... hm. i need to get 10 pcs with to dualboot either win98 or ltsp
09:39
it all works, but not mouse.
09:39
i can't believe it ;)
09:40
<sbalneav>
Did you try the = "Microsoft" setting?
09:40
<erikyy>
yes. mouse goes wild then ;)
09:41
i don't understand why it's autodetected in knoppix but not in ltdp
09:41
<sbalneav>
Sounds to me like you've managed to get a mixed up 4.1 and 4.2 install.
09:41
<erikyy>
ltsp
09:41
knoppix still uses xfre86 i think
09:42
filename "/lts/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0";
09:42
option root-path "192.168.30.9:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386"; \n is not mixed...
09:42
the /opt/ltsp-4.2 directory was completely empty and creaetd by ltspadmin.
09:43
<sbalneav>
Well, we've got millions of people using scrolly mouse just fine, and I've got 165 of them at my site alone, all with Logitech PS/2 Scroll wheel optical mice. So, I know it works.
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<erikyy>
well... so whats going wrong here? :)
09:43
ill go get my box of 50 different mice... hang on
09:43
<sbalneav>
Something you've fone.
09:43
done.
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09:44
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:44
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
09:45
Did you get any emails from some guy in argentina blocked from the wiki?
09:45
He was here yesterday.
09:45
<jammcq>
nope
09:45
maybe we're blocking his emails too :)
09:45
<sbalneav>
Says he sent you a bunch of emails to jam@ltsp.org
09:45
I thought it was jammcq@ltsp.org, but maybe you've got an alias
09:46
<jammcq>
no, not 'jammcq'
09:46
well, actually, there is an alias, so that would work
09:47
<erikyy>
sbalneav: whats your dhcp.conf entry for the kernel filename?
09:48* erikyy thinks about kproblems where the kernel somehow interferes with the mouse
09:48
<erikyy>
/dev/input/mice and such problems
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<sbalneav>
erikyy: filename "/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0";
09:51
<erikyy>
i even use this: 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
09:52
so your ltsp version is older than mine
09:52
i am writing XSERVER=ati because otherwise there is no autodetection. is that a problem?
09:52
<kenguru>
is this what i want possible, lts terminals will use ldap authentication from windows 2003 server and users will be able to use active directory accounts?
09:53
<erikyy>
kenguru: just write SCREEN_01 = rdesktop
09:53
then add some more rdesktop options and customly write a hostid random generator and you have terminal clients for win 2003
09:53
<kenguru>
eer, i don't want that.
09:54
<erikyy>
you don't want RDP client?
09:54
<kenguru>
no.
09:54
<erikyy>
ok then i was wrong.. sorry
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<kenguru>
i want users to use lts terminals but their user accounts will be recived from windows 2003 server (login/pwd)
09:56
<erikyy>
kenguru: LTSP can be configured as a RDP client. the LTSP computer powers on and will display the win2k3 server login screen.
09:56
<bintut>
anyone here uses ubuntu dapper lts amd64? anybody has an idea if there's a backport or something for the said distro?
09:57
<kenguru>
erikyy, after that login what will be loaded? default window manager?
09:58
<bintut>
kenguru: i'm not sure but i think you have to setup a samba+openldap pdc as a slave to your existing win2k3 pdc and from there, you can point your login to your samba+openldap pdc
09:59
<erikyy>
kenguru: install "rdesktop" on a linux machine. start it and use it to connect to a win2k3 terminal server. exactly the same thing is done by LTSP then.
10:01
<bintut>
erikyy: isn't it kenguru just want to use the login profile from an existing win2k3 server and (maybe) doesn't want to access the rdesktop?
10:01
<erikyy>
i don't understrand what kenguru wants actually
10:02
<bintut>
erikyy: i think kenguru just want to make use of an existing single sign-on server to access the terminal server
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<kenguru>
:)
10:02
<erikyy>
convert your server into a terminal server and there you go?
10:03
<kenguru>
i try to explain this as simple i can.
10:03
<bintut>
kenguru: please give us more details on what you need..
10:04
kenguru: please confirm on this: do you have an existing pdc running on win2k3?
10:04
<kenguru>
yes i have.
10:04
<cliebow_>
kenguru: You can use winbind to contact an active directory server
10:04
<bintut>
kenguru: you already installed a separate LTSP server and you want that your thin client users will adopt the user profiles that they have from your pdc and not create on the LTSP server?
10:04
<cliebow_>
and authenticate your linux box to it
10:05
<kenguru>
so i want only user/password will be fetched from a windows server, then user normally log on to the xfce/gnome/whatever.
10:06
<erikyy>
ok now i switched to USB mouse and still he does two pixels per move and still there is no mouse wheeel!
10:06
WHY?
10:07
<kenguru>
and his "My documents" will be mounted to a desktop so he can use either windows or ltsp
10:07
<cliebow_>
kenguru: might look at wiki.ltsp.org under winintegration
10:07
<bintut>
erikyy: i think you need synaptics module of your xorg.conf
10:08
<cliebow_>
for pam_mount and winbind..
10:08
<kenguru>
okay, i just can't describe it decently what i want. I guess you did understand :)
10:08
<cliebow_>
but smbldap is the way we flew for that
10:08
after several years of doing just what you describe
10:09
<erikyy>
bintut: X4_MODULE_01 = synaptics
10:09
????
10:10
<bintut>
erikyy: ah.. for a mouse wheel.. there is a howto for that in the wiki
10:12
<erikyy>
i found the problem! he adds two sections for mice. so he adds the movements of my mice
10:12
that's the reason he always moves twice the speed
10:12
why is there a section on /dev/psaux AND a section on /dev/input/mice
10:14
X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/null"
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X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL="IMPS/2"
10:14
now it works. what idiot coded that?;)
10:14
where do i send the bugreport?
10:15
the build_x4_cfg script creates a xserver configuration where two mice are added together. but they are the same device. one on /dev/psaux, one on /dev/input/mice
10:15
this "X_USBMOUSE*" stuff isn't even documented....
10:15
damn!
10:19
<cliebow_>
erikyy: wanna write it up and add it to the wiki..please
10:19
<erikyy>
cliebow_ i just pasted a mailing on the mailinglist
10:20
<cliebow_>
k ill copy/paste..it is very important to me to get these on the wiki
10:20
<erikyy>
cliebow_: thanks
10:20
cliebow_ then also put into the wiki that X_USBMOUSE* is not documented
10:21
it ltsp-4.2 somehow in alpha stage or how come that such a big mistake is in the downloadable version?
10:21
<jammcq>
what mistake?
10:21
<erikyy>
jammcq: see ltsp-discuss mailing "bugreport double mice movement"
10:23
<jammcq>
the X_USB???? stuff came from k12ltsp as a way to handle USB mice. back in the earlier kernels, like 2.4, usb mice were quite different from ps/2 mice. but since the 2.6 kernel we have a very nice /dev/input/mice interface that works for all mice
10:23
so, there's 2 ways to specify a mouse. what kind of mouse do you have?
10:23
usb or ps/2 ?
10:23
<erikyy>
jammcq: i can use usb or ps/2 mouse
10:24
in both cases both devices work
10:24
somehow...
10:24
don't ask me.
10:24
definitly that xf86config file is wrong
10:24
the kernel should not support mice stuff. then the problem is gone
10:24
leave all mice handling to xserver.
10:24
but here you use this /dev/input/mice special stuff which also mixes the ps2 mouse in
10:24
<jammcq>
ah, so the Xorg guys are idiots, not us I guess
10:26
was the result a mouse that moved too fast?
10:26
<erikyy>
yes it always moves two pixels at the same time
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10:26
<erikyy>
because two mouses add up.
10:26
<jammcq>
was it like un-controllably fast?
10:26
<erikyy>
no
10:26
it was always two pixels at the same time
10:26
<jammcq>
just faster than you'd like?
10:26
<erikyy>
xserver adds up all mouses
10:26
<jammcq>
hmm, interesting
10:26
<erikyy>
no
10:26
see, when you have touchpad and mouse, the xserver adds up the two mice
10:27
but here due to wrong configuration you have 2 mice which are physically the same mouse
10:27
so you get double movement!
10:27
<jammcq>
yeah, interesting
10:27
<erikyy>
not interesting ;) sucking !
10:27
;)
10:27
<jammcq>
haven't seen that happen before, that's why it's kind of odd. makes perfect sense what you are saying tho
10:27
<erikyy>
maybe you could try install latest ltsp-4.2
10:28
<jammcq>
I created ltsp-4.2, I don't need to install it
10:28
<erikyy>
hm
10:28
strange
10:28* bintut nods
10:29
<erikyy>
8cfd854550bf5547e5bb60acce91a8b0 build_x4_cfg
10:29
(md5sum)
10:29
please check
10:29
<jammcq>
jam@martin:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc$ md5sum build_x4_cfg
10:29
8cfd854550bf5547e5bb60acce91a8b0 build_x4_cfg
10:30
<erikyy>
hm ok. so i am really not mixing up 4.1 and 4.2., i really have a clean install
10:30
when i check /tmp/XF86Config.1 i see the two mouse sections.
10:30
<jammcq>
well, your build_x4_cfg matches the official one
10:30
<bintut>
jammcq: i'm planning to setup an ltsp server on ubuntu dapper lts amd64.. do you think i should use the ltsp5 package of ubuntu and not directly from your site? i'm used with what you provide from the ltsp mirror.. what do you suggest?
10:31
<erikyy>
now i cannot change the mouse speed by xset m anymore.
10:31
i will now hack a custom XF86config and drop the generated one
10:31
<jammcq>
bintut: well, the LTSP packages in edgy are really good. I prolly wouldn't use the dapper version tho
10:31
<erikyy>
or i patch build x4cfg
10:32
<bintut>
jammcq: ok.. but i want to make use of the LTS of ubuntu as the host OS.. is it safe to install the ltsp packages from edgy to dapper OS?
10:32
<jammcq>
no
10:32
<erikyy>
jammcq: "xset m" does only manipulate the core pointer.
10:33
you cannot change the mousespeed of the "Mouse1" section
10:33
<jammcq>
you can't use the edgy ltsp on dapper
10:33
<bintut>
jammcq: who's that for -- the "no" answer? :)
10:33
<jammcq>
bintut: you
10:33
<erikyy>
i just patched build_x4_cfg so that only one mouse seciton is generated. now everything works. including "xset m"
10:33
<bintut>
jammcq: ah.. :)
10:33
<Gadi>
wrikyywhy not set X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/null"
10:34
that should make everything happy
10:34
<erikyy>
Gadi: the complete USBMOUSE secion must be removed, because the usbmouse is never manipulatable by "xset m" because it is not the core pointer
10:34
<bintut>
jammcq: what shall i do then? dapper still has 2 years in desktop support and that's what i'm after for..
10:34
<erikyy>
gadi: i can deactivate it as you described thats correct.
10:34
<Gadi>
erikyy: right, but for now, just use Mouse0, the core pointer
10:34
<erikyy>
gadi: but then X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/null" should be default
10:35
it's definitly a pain to do the mouse stuff right ;) i have respect that you somehow got it to work in older ltsp versions...
10:35
<Gadi>
erikyy: if the section is no longer needed with the 2.6 kernel, then you are correct
10:35
<erikyy>
maybe you should juust only use /dev/input/mice and leave the complete handling to the kernel
10:36
but maybe the kernel sucks and you better do everything by the xserver ;)
10:36* Gadi thinks it was originally intended to be able to plug in a USB mouse even if the default was set to PS/2
10:36
<Gadi>
if they are both the same device in 2.6, then we should remove the section
10:37
but, best to test the theory - remove the section, and see if you can plug in PS/2 or USB and have both work
10:38
<erikyy>
gadi: i now added X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/null" to my default section and everything works like a charm
10:40* bintut is sleepy already.. :(
10:41* bintut must go to sleep.. later..
10:41* bintut waves.. thank you..
10:41
<bintut>
bye for now jammcq..
10:41
bye all..
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<erikyy>
cool now all mouse is autodetected! even mouse wheel !
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<erikyy>
thanks for all your help and for ltsp ;)
10:46
gn8
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<cliebow_>
Gadi:might i have a short audience?
11:13
<jammcq>
cliebow_: you have something against tall people?
11:14
<cliebow_>
yeah..thry got no reason to live
11:18
if i wanted to step thrua perl prog by inserting a return or an exit stop...die..croak ewass..what?
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<Gadi>
heh, I am definitely a short audience
11:20
you can always exit out of a perl proggy
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<cliebow_>
break?
11:21
<Gadi>
exit should work
11:21
<cliebow_>
ill try again
11:22
premature end of script headers..
11:22
cgi
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<mathisdt>
hi! I have a problem with my LTSP-4.2 system, perhaps you have heard of something similar and can help.
13:06
my setup: 1 server, 1 client, all worked fine, even ESD was doing the expected, but then with no obvious reason I logged into Gnome (using GDM) and my session went as far as the mouse cursor turned gnomish, but then the screen went black and I saw the GDM login prompt again. This happened with one of my user account some weeks ago, so I used the other one on the LTSP client, but now also that account shows the same behaviour. I haven't ch
13:08
<cliebow_>
do you have a homedir?
13:09
<mathisdt>
yes, my user account was working with LTSP for months, but now it shows this strange behaviour
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<linescanner>
Hi guys. Anyone give me some advice on scaling an LTSP server/servers to provide 350 concurrent sessions to windows terminal servers via rdp
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<sbalneav>
Betcha you end up needing more WIndows servers than LTSP servers :)
14:34
Other than that, don't spare the bandwidth.
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<linescanner>
Got 4 8GB Sun X4100 running the windows
14:41
should do OK :)
14:42
All rooms have about 30 machines and a gig connection back to the core stack
14:42
One 4GB X4100 should be enough for the LTSP ??????
14:42
<Gadi>
linescanner: are you just using LTSP to boot an rdesktop screen_script, or are you launching rdesktop from a Linux desktop?
14:43
<linescanner>
Gadi: rdesktop screen script. No Linux just yet :(
14:43
<Gadi>
in that case, you could prolly use much less than 1 server
14:43
its basically a fileserver at that point
14:43
or a "boot appliance", if you will ;)
14:44
<linescanner>
cool. I will look at 1 X2100
14:44
Gadi: Tell me more :)
14:44
<Gadi>
lol
14:44
<linescanner>
will one of you boxes do the trick ?
14:45
<Gadi>
we usually limit the boxes to a classC for booting (ie ~250 max connections) just to be sane against boot storms
14:46
<linescanner>
sure
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<Gadi>
when you get to lots of simultaneous boot requests, you can get into issues with the burst of traffic
14:46
just something to look out for
14:47
there's nothing wrong with having a different number of boot boxes than app servers
14:47
<linescanner>
Thanks for that. I have a couple of full Linux LTSP systems running with between 100 and 250 clients hanging off them. Network overheads are something to look at
14:48
<Gadi>
do those clients all boot up at once?
14:48
<linescanner>
Pretty much :)
14:48
<Gadi>
do you ever have clients that dont get a kernel on the first try?
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<linescanner>
only one of two that have really crappy old network cards
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<Gadi>
ah, good
14:49
that usually indicates you have good switches/wiring
14:49
<linescanner>
Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!
14:50
Found that out the hard way ;)
14:50
<Gadi>
how many LTSP boxes do youhave distributing the load over the 100-250 units?
14:50
<linescanner>
We work on about 35 clients to 1 4GB application server
14:50
runs full kde
14:50
<Gadi>
ah, so you have a bunch
14:51
<linescanner>
one runs 8 App servers and the other I think is at 10
14:52
<Gadi>
yeah, so no worries of boot storms anywhere, because you broke down the booting into smaller chunks
14:52
it changes a bit if you plan to boot all 250 off of 1 box
14:53
and have them all boot up at once
14:53
<linescanner>
they do. We only run 1 dhcp/ltsp unit with one in reserve
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the others are just X servers
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<Gadi>
oh...
14:54
<linescanner>
I don't think we could push it any more.
14:54
We are at the limit on the 250 set up. Futher expansion will nedd another boot server
14:55
<Gadi>
but, its prolly not so much the hardware of the server as it is the network capacity
14:55* Gadi imagines
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<linescanner>
Yeah, you got have good network. The customers have fibre everywhere.......On our insistence
14:58
as you know, this doesn't go well over crap networking
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<linescanner>
Gadi: What is the cost of your box in proper money (£)
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<Gadi>
lol
15:03
we dont deal in proper money ;)
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<Gadi>
only green money
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:)
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<linescanner>
:) or proper English
15:04
<Gadi>
eh - who am I kidding
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<Gadi>
I'll take whatever ya got
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<linescanner>
hehe
15:04
<Gadi>
our MSRP price list is on our home page
15:04
www.thesymbiont.com
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<linescanner>
ta
15:05
you got a uk distributor ?
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<Gadi>
more than that, I defer to someone in the non-technical arm of the company ;)
15:05
we have a UK VAR, but Im not sure when the last I heard his name mentioned - so my guess is he's not too active
15:07
<linescanner>
I will have a good look at your stuff later. They look nice. Punters like shiny boxes :)
15:09
can we come through you to buy or do we have to via the UK VAR ?
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<BilboFett>
good afternoon
15:11
anyone know a way I can see how long a yum update took yesterday? I need to estimate how much time to do the same run on my 2nd server so I can time the reboot
15:11
?
15:12
<Gadi>
linescanner: you can come through us
15:12
or, if you have a VAR you work with, have him contact us
15:12
<linescanner>
Gadi: Ta. Can you confirm that USB hot plug works to RDP
15:13
<Gadi>
works for me! :)
15:13
<linescanner>
Cool. Download you stuff the other day but have not had time to look at it yet
15:13
<BilboFett>
2nd question: is there a command line I can type to see which version of fedora I'm using?
15:13
<linescanner>
downloded even
15:13
I'll get it right in a minute :)
15:14
<Gadi>
linescanner: feel free to email me offline about anything
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<BilboFett>
nm on 2nd q
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<linescanner>
Gadi: Cheers. The project is a little way off yet, but I want to look at options
15:14
<Gadi>
Cheers Cheers
15:15* Gadi loves saying Cheers
15:15
<linescanner>
Gadi: Got to chuck in a bunch of Solaris server for Tarantella and Sun Ray first
15:15
<BilboFett>
did you guys know Gadi is my bro from a different mo?
15:16
<Gadi>
heh, hey BilboFett
15:16
<BilboFett>
greetings :)
15:16
<Gadi>
Cheers
15:16
<BilboFett>
Gadi, any way I can tell how long that giant yum update took me yesterday? I want to do it to server-B but time it just right so the reboot happens when teachers are dismissing their classes..
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<Gadi>
hmm... is there a yum log in /var/log ?
15:18
or perhaps it just sends it to your syslog (/var/log/messages to you ;) )
15:18
have a look for both
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<linescanner>
Gadi: Cheers for your time
15:19
<Gadi>
linescanner: and Cheers to you and yours for yours and such
15:19
Cheers
15:19
<linescanner>
hehe
15:19
<Gadi>
I bet I would get beaten up in the UK
15:19
a lot
15:19
<linescanner>
It's an American thing :)
15:19
<Gadi>
specially if I say "Cheerio"
15:19
I know
15:20
<linescanner>
You can't help it....Look at your Boss man
15:22* linescanner offends all Bush voters
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<Gadi>
heh
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<linescanner>
Night guys. Time to kick the kids and put the cat to bed
15:24
or something like that
15:24
<Gadi>
heh, nighty night
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<BilboFett>
yum makes its own log in /var/log/yum.log and timestamps it
15:24
awesome
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<BilboFett>
except its just logging for me what it updated.. it didn't show when yum started, etc. So I need to see if I can find how long all the updates took to donwload as well
15:26
I think it updated 240 things and it took 15 minutes to update all those; but that isn't accounting for the download time
15:29
Gadi, I never received an email from your company. BTW
15:30
<Gadi>
really?
15:30* Gadi wonders if you've got us blocked
15:30
<BilboFett>
no
15:31
because I received yours
15:31
remember?
15:31
<Gadi>
can we try again, just to be sure?
15:31
<BilboFett>
yes
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<ruede>
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<jammcq>
hello there kids
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<chupacabra>
hi
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<jammcq>
Scottttt Teeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
20:41
Hey jammcq!
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<jammcq>
chupacabra: hey buddy
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<chupacabra>
slacking tonight
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