IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 12 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:43 | <jjjjjjj> howdy
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| 00:43 | <jjjjjjj> aw crap.. ltsp-5
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| 00:44 | here I just spent 15 bux on k12ltsp
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| 00:49 | <jjjjjjj> mind you it works flawless
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| 00:50 | got a bunch compaq deskpros with the pxe built into them.
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| 01:52 | <joebob777as7> anyone on to help with a couple issues?
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| 01:53 | just installed edubuntu gutsy and it takes forever to get to the welcome screen then forever more to get past the verifying password and then never gets to desktop...
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| 04:42 | <cyberorg> joebob777as7, using vmware?
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| 08:15 | <ogra> thermoman, nope
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| 08:16 | <schaberalexander> Blinny: do you know how to tell the kernel to use a smaller block size
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| 08:16 | ?
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| 08:16 | nevermind
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| 08:16 | <ogra> schaberalexander, rsize and wsize options for nfs
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| 08:16 | set it in /etc/exports on the server
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| 08:16 | <schaberalexander> ogra: on the wiki it states that I should pass it to the client kernel
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| 08:17 | <ogra> you can do that too, yes
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| 08:17 | * ogra didnt touch nfs for 5 months now ... we dropped it :) | |
| 08:17 | <Blinny> ogra: No NFS in 5?
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| 08:18 | <ogra> Blinny, you can still fore it ... if you like its slowness :P
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| 08:18 | *force
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| 08:18 | <Blinny> heh
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| 08:18 | <schaberalexander> Blinny: that was it! it works now :):):)
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| 08:18 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 08:18 | <Blinny> Does NBD allow for distant mounting?
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| 08:18 | Ok I'll read that. Thank you.
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| 08:19 | I'd have to switch to Ubuntu first though (;
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| 08:19 | <ogra> Blinny, actually we switched to squashfs/unionfs ... nbd makes it easier to handle the squashfs image (we surely could use nfs here)
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| 08:19 | <Blinny> *Nod*
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| 08:19 | I'm planning for exporting /home to remote locations so all my users see the same desktop, no matter their office location.
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| 08:19 | <Blinny> Currently on k12v6
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| 08:19 | (4.2)
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| 08:20 | <ogra> well, for that nbd would be the wrong choice
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| 08:20 | <Blinny> Yeah.
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| 08:20 | <ogra> nbd is fine for readonly images
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| 08:20 | but not for exporting dirs
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| 08:20 | <sbalneav> ogra: Did you see the minor fix to -core init I updated yesterday?
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| 08:20 | <ogra> sbalneav, i merged this morning, indeed i did :)
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| 08:20 | <schaberalexander> ogra: does only ubuntu use nbd or ltsp5 ?
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| 08:20 | <ogra> its all in
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| 08:21 | <schaberalexander> ok
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| 08:21 | <ogra> schaberalexander, ltsp5 mainly gets developed inside ubuntu
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| 08:21 | <sbalneav> Excellent. I'll merge from you to pick up the -update-image work.
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| 08:21 | <Blinny> ogra: You're too helpful in answering questions (; -- How do you ever get any developing done?!
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| 08:21 | <ogra> schaberalexander, we use nbd in gutsy (the current development release)
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| 08:21 | before we had nfs
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| 08:21 | Blinny, my computer does the packaging for me :) i have scripts :)
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| 08:22 | and ususally i do development if i'm not online or early in the morning or late evening :)
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| 08:22 | that worked at least for the last four edubuntu releases :) even with a lot of travelling :)
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| 08:23 | sbalneav, all i have left on my todo for gutsy is edubuntu-artwork repackaging and probably a look into ltsp-manager
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| 08:23 | TCM was fixed yesterday
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| 08:24 | so if the installer part now works, we're pretty much done :)
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| 08:24 | schaberalexander, youre german, right ?
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| 08:25 | <schaberalexander> ogra: yes
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| 08:25 | <ogra> schaberalexander, dann wirf mal n blick ins aktuelle linux magazin ;)
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| 08:26 | ost ein sehr guter artikel useber ltsp5 und edubuntu drin
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| 08:26 | *ist
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| 08:26 | <schaberalexander> ich mag *ubuntu überhaupt nicht ... mag ein bisschen subjektiv sein .. aber ich bin damit überhaupt nicht zurecht gekommen : <
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| 08:27 | <ogra> naja, debian hat auch ltsp5
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| 08:27 | is halt schade dass noch keine andere distro eingestiegen is
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| 08:28 | * ogra finds it intresting that many germans dont like *buntu ... while nearly half of the development team of it is german | |
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| 08:29 | <ogra> but seems we're still suse country :)
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| 08:30 | <sbalneav> ogra: Yeah! Hey, my co-worker here at work, Carol, went through the Handbook last night,and came up with a TON of error corrections!
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| 08:30 | So things are looking good on the handbook side. I'll get that finished off today.
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| 08:30 | <ogra> yay
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| 08:30 | i had a good day on TCM yesterday
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| 08:31 | i think i'll do some whitespace clanup next weekend on it ... the code is so ugly and bad intended, its a miracle to me that the python interpreter knows what to do :)
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| 08:32 | we also need to promote scp-remote a bit more (see my recent mails to edubuntu-users)
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| 08:32 | i totally forgot that we have such a comfortable commandline tool to manage sessions ;)
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| 08:33 | <sbalneav> Yeah, saw it updated last night.
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| 08:33 | Awesome.
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| 08:33 | <ogra> i also just remembered that python-ltsp is largely unmaintained ... should take a look before release
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| 08:33 | <sbalneav> I think all we have to do now is test the snot out of things, and just patch up whatever minor bugs are left lurking around.
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| 08:33 | <ogra> right
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> \o/ for us
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| 08:34 | <ogra> and there is another "fix it friday" ahead before beta release :)
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| 08:34 | i hope i can get laser to take care of squeak ... the debian team ofered their package to us
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| 08:35 | package is fine, but it sadly has no xdg menu integration (no .desktop file) that needs fixage
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| 08:36 | <thermoman> ogra: my lagginess problems here might be related to a problem i mentioned here: http://www.adminblogger.de/blog/2007/01/05/ich-braeuchte-mal-eure-hilfe-slow-scrolling-in-firefox/
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| 08:36 | ogra: could you test the website mentioned there and tell me if scrolling works for you?
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| 08:37 | <ogra> works fine on a non client here ... i cant test a TC atm
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| 08:38 | <thermoman> mhh
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| 08:38 | <ogra> but note that my versions of everything are likely more recent than yours
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| 08:39 | (firefox 2.0.0.6, xorg 7.2, kernel 2.6.22)
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| 08:40 | <cyberorg> thermoman, via chipset using vesa module = firefox scroll suck
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| 08:41 | <ogra> cyberorg, he said he's sure that the via driver is used
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| 08:41 | <ogra> but vesa and flash generally suck, yes
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| 08:42 | <cyberorg> ogra, even on non client using via, firefox scroll is terrible here
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| 08:42 | <ogra> probably your driver isnt using accelleration (r not the right acceleration) the via driver situation is a scattered mess
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> oin$ bzr merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp
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| 08:43 | M debian/ltsp-client-builder.postinst
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| 08:43 | All changes applied successfully.
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| 08:43 | ogra: Did you not commit your work on ltsp-update-image?
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| 08:43 | <ogra> i have some systems that only work with openchrome, some that only work with unichrome and some that fall back to vesa
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| 08:43 | sbalneav, hmm ?
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| 08:44 | commit 422
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> All I'm seeing updated is the mkfifo to mknod $FIFO p call
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| 08:44 | Did I already merge that???
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| 08:45 | <ogra> argj
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| 08:45 | s/j/h
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| 08:45 | * ogra curses | |
| 08:45 | * ogra bzr pushes | |
| 08:45 | <sbalneav> ogra forgot to puuuush ogra forgot to puuuuush nyanyanya :)
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| 08:46 | * ogra makes tatoo on forehead | |
| 08:46 | * ogra remembers that he has to look in the mirror all the time now to remember ... | |
| 08:46 | <ogra> damned
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> Hey, easy fix :)
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| 08:46 | <ogra> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/changes
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| 08:46 | there we go
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> if that's the WORST mistake you make, you're golden :)
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| 08:47 | <ogra> well, except the fact that i always have to fix the conflicts :(
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| 08:47 | because people dont have my recent version
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| 08:48 | i'll make a 3mx3m postit for my screen or so
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> There we go. Changes to changelog, -up-image, and default lts.conf?
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| 08:48 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> perfect
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| 08:49 | <ogra> lts.conf is actually gone :) only a note in there now
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Hmm, we should go through lts-parameters.txt, make sure everythings up to date in there.
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| 08:49 | I can do that.
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| 08:49 | <ogra> yep
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> I'll do it tonight.
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| 08:50 | <ogra> there was a bunch new stuff
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| 08:50 | <schaberalexander> thanks ogra cyberorg Blinny for your help .. I guess for now we'll stick with ltsp 4 until opensuse get's just a little further with kiwi-ltsp and until I've got a little more time ^^
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 08:50 | <ogra> it should somehow go into a more obvious location though
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| 08:50 | <schaberalexander> hehe right now 52 clients are sticking at our ltsp server .. all running kde.. :)
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| 08:50 | <ogra> schaberalexander, get developers intrested in kiwi-ltsp :)
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| 08:51 | <Blinny> schaberalexander: No worries.
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| 08:51 | <schaberalexander> ogra: as soon as I find the time .. I'll digg in myself :)
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| 08:51 | <cyberorg> schaberalexander, cool, test it out, it pretty much does everything now :)
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| 08:51 | <schaberalexander> I love this server .. load average: 0.14, 0.32, 0.44 :D with 52 clients! ..
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| 08:51 | <ogra> schaberalexander, cool feel free to contact anyone of https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ to get ode merged upstream :)
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| 08:52 | *code
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| 08:52 | <Blinny> Yeargh. I still have one client that frequently gives an xserver crash, back to unresponsive console.
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| 08:52 | <schaberalexander> alright ..
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| 08:52 | <thermoman> schaberalexander: what does this box do with 52 clients?
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| 08:52 | <Blinny> I've let memtest run over the weekend w/ no errors. I have XRAMPERC set w/ 128M of NBD swap. What else can I do to track this down?
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| 08:52 | <thermoman> schaberalexander: or what do the users do? idle? :)
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| 08:52 | <schaberalexander> thermoman: it's just another ltsp server .. but IMHO 52 kde sessions is alot for a server :D
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| 08:53 | <thermoman> schaberalexander: that's really nice ... what hardware is in there?
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| 08:53 | <ogra> Blinny, i start to suspect its not a ram issue ... what kind of graphics cards are that and what driver is used
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| 08:53 | <Blinny> i810 using i810
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| 08:54 | <schaberalexander> 2x quadcore intel xeon 2.0 ghz with 16 gb ram. gbit lan (soon be bonding to 2gbit)
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| 08:54 | <ogra> was that 4.2 or 5 ?
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| 08:54 | <Blinny> ogra: 4.2
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| 08:54 | <ogra> ah ...
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| 08:54 | hmm
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| 08:54 | <Blinny> schaberalexander: Nice box.
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| 08:54 | <schaberalexander> Blinny: it is indeed a nice box D:
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| 08:54 | :D
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| 08:55 | right now the lan is the only bottleneck ..
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| 08:55 | <Blinny> ogra: Is there a way to interrupt that xserver crash so I can inspect Xorg.0.log? Or still have a responsive console?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> schaberalexander, imagine you would have to maintain 52 workstation installs :)
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| 08:55 | <schaberalexander> ogra: well we do have to maintain 40 workstation installs
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| 08:55 | <thermoman> schaberalexander: i have dual-xeon 3GHz with 8GB ram and ~30 users and load is constantly between 1 and 4
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| 08:55 | <joebob777as7> ogra no not using vmware
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| 08:55 | <schaberalexander> but that's windows and not my business ;)
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| 08:56 | thermoman: that's still not bad
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| 08:56 | <ogra> schaberalexander, right :)
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| 08:56 | <thermoman> schaberalexander: for me it's bad because my coworkers are complaining about lagginess
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| 08:56 | <ogra> Blinny, on ltsp5 i'd have said install netcat or something like that in the chroot and just forward the output to the server with it
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| 08:56 | <schaberalexander> ogra: but I just got those windows + ghost ppl over to partimage .. so another few 1000 € savings :D
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| 08:56 | <ogra> with 4.2 thats tricky
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| 08:56 | <thermoman> schaberalexander: e.g. switching tabs in firefox costs appr. 0.5 seconds
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| 08:57 | <schaberalexander> thermoman: right now all flows instantly .. got to have a stress test though where we invite 40 ppl to test :)
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| 08:57 | right now the network is being hammered by the screen savers .. but that's about it
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| 08:57 | <thermoman> schaberalexander: what clients are you running
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| 08:58 | schaberalexander: enforce blank screensavers :)
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| 08:58 | <ogra> schaberalexander, ouch, you instal screensavers on thin client sessions ?
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| 08:58 | <schaberalexander> thermoman: 12 igel thin clients + 20 1.7 ghz p4 + 20 2.0 ghz amd athlon64
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| 08:58 | <ogra> ltsp5 doesnt allow more than blank screens at all :)
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| 08:58 | <schaberalexander> ogra: I didnt install them it's right now just a default opensuse 10.2 install
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| 08:58 | <Blinny> ogra: Any other suggestions? Unfortunately this happens to be the guy who holds the purse strings for this little LTSP rollout.
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| 08:58 | <schaberalexander> and for me it's fine, cause it hammers the network more than anything else :D
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| 08:59 | <ogra> Blinny, try ltsp5 ?
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| 08:59 | <schaberalexander> ok, so now I g2g see you later, and thanks again:)
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| 08:59 | <ogra> Blinny, i think its very more likely that you have a driver prob here than a ram prob
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| 08:59 | <thermoman> schaberalexander: why so bloat thinclients?
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| 08:59 | schaberalexander: shouldn't they be "thin" ala <1GHz? :)
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| 08:59 | <schaberalexander> thermoman: those are normal windows workstations as well ..
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| 09:00 | <joebob777as7> just installed edubuntu gutsy and it takes forever to get to the welcome screen then forever more to get past the verifying password and then never gets to desktop...
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| 09:00 | <schaberalexander> ogra: does *buntu also support hybrid clients as well (remote filesystem, local computing)
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| 09:00 | ?
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| 09:00 | <ogra> not out of the box yet
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| 09:01 | you can indeed easily install an ldap client in the client chroot and set itup manually
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| 09:01 | <schaberalexander> thermoman: I'm in a school and those 40 clients are classrooms where normally ppl use windows
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| 09:01 | <thermoman> i understand
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| 09:01 | <schaberalexander> ogra: sounds good cause we do use ldap
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| 09:01 | <ogra> you can even install a full desktop and boot diskless into it with ltsp5
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| 09:01 | <thermoman> i have performance problems here
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| 09:01 | <Blinny> ogra: Maybe I'll try a different video card/xserver.
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| 09:01 | <ogra> Blinny, good move for a start, see if it happens there
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| 09:01 | <schaberalexander> ogra: that sounds really nice.. I'll be back later or tomorrow .. I'll try to catch you then again
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| 09:02 | <ogra> schaberalexander, i'm always around :)
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| 09:02 | <schaberalexander> bye
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| 09:02 | <ogra> #ltsp, #edubuntu and #ubuntu-devel are my office :)
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| 09:02 | <Blinny> ogra: Thanks.
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| 09:03 | <ogra> joebob777as7, can you check if CONFIGURE_X is set in your lts.conf file ?
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| 09:03 | remove that line (thats what i just did in the default file in gutsy anyway)
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| 09:03 | <joebob777as7> ogra, would that account for the slowdown?
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| 09:03 | <ogra> thats possible, yes
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| 09:04 | did you make any tweaks the the default install yet ?
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| 09:05 | if CONFIGURE_X is set to false the client will fall back to Xorg without config file, depending on the HW that could cause slowdowns
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| 09:05 | (if X doesnt find the PCI id or so for example)
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| 09:05 | <joebob777as7> ogra, just the dhcpd.conf and network/interfaces as far as I know. I upgraded from feisty to gutsy last night. It was working fine before i removed the i386 dir and rebuilt clients
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| 09:06 | <ogra> hmm
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| 09:06 | i havent done any upgrade testing yet ... i wonder if anything clashes with nbd/nfs
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| 09:06 | <joebob777as7> ogra so just remove configure_x=false?
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| 09:06 | <ogra> (on the server side)
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| 09:06 | remove everything
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| 09:07 | you can even just delete the file
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| 09:07 | <joebob777as7> oh ok i'll try that
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| 09:07 | <ogra> sound is set to true automatically nowadays if pulse is installed (the default) ... same goes for ltspfs
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| 09:07 | so the options there are moot anyway :)
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> g'morning folks
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| 09:08 | <cliebow_> `jammcq!!!!!!!!
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| 09:08 | <ogra> can you check that the image was built ? it should lie in /opt/ltsp/images
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| 09:08 | and also that inetd.conf has the entry for nbdrootd
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| 09:09 | if you delete the file or change it, run sudo ltsp-update-image afterwards ...
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| 09:09 | else it wont be in the image
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| 09:10 | <joebob777as7> yes there is an img
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| 09:11 | <ogra> ok
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| 09:11 | if your client runs, do you see nbdrootd in the processlist ?
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| 09:12 | <ogra> (on the server indeed)
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| 09:12 | <Mrchicken> hello
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| 09:12 | I was wondering... can I use ldap authentication for ltsp?
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| 09:12 | <ogra> sure
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| 09:13 | <joebob777as7> ogra, in the inetd.conf i have a line that says 2000 straeam tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 09:13 | <Mrchicken> and should the ldap server be running on the ltsp server?
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| 09:13 | <ogra> good
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| 09:13 | Mrchicken, the ltsp server should be able to connect to it ... doesnt mater where it runs
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| 09:13 | *matter
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| 09:13 | * Mrchicken is trying to setup ldap for squid, so I thought it would be nice to have it for ltsp as well :) | |
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| 09:14 | <ogra> joebob777as7, so if the client runs, do you see nbdrootd if you do: ps ax|grep nbd ?
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| 09:15 | <joebob777as7> i got into the welcome screen about 8 minutes ago then as soon as i did i punched in user and pass and it verified for about 3 mins now it's sitting at a black screen with a cursor
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| 09:17 | * ogra just wants to be sure its not using nfs due to any upgrade glitches | |
| 09:18 | <joebob777as7> ogra, i can switch to terminal ctrl alt 2 and back to gui but on terminal i'm just getting blinking underscore and in gui still blank screen with mouse...
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| 09:18 | <ogra> do you see nbdrootd if you do: ps ax|grep nbd on the server ?
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| 09:19 | <Ryudo> sbalneav :D
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 09:19 | <Ryudo> how are you ?
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| 09:19 | :D
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| 09:19 | did you find the slides shows ?
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| 09:20 | <joebob777as7> ogra, yes /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
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| 09:20 | <ogra> ok
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| 09:20 | so its using nbd, thats good
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| 09:21 | <joebob777as7> i'm getting: "tftp: client does not accept options" on one of my clients but this is not a client that i have confirmed it working before but should be well capable it's a fujitsu p1610
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| 09:21 | <ogra> thats fine
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| 09:21 | thats an info message from the tftp server, nothing to worry about (the client we use does actually not accept options :) )
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| 09:22 | <joebob777as7> this client is still same place... i don't think it's getting anywhere....
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| 09:22 | lol well good i'm glad i'm not the only one ;)
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| 09:22 | <ogra> well
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| 09:23 | forst of all create a new lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 09:23 | <joebob777as7> blank?
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| 09:23 | <Ryudo> sbalneav ?
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| 09:23 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "lts.conf for joebob777as7" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/317
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| 09:24 | <ogra> only these two lines
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| 09:24 | then reboot the client
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| 09:24 | after boot you should have a shell on console 2
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| 09:24 | then lets go debugging :)
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> Ryudo: I think I found them, I didn't manage to grab them before I caught the bus today, as my box was down. There an email address where I can send them to you tonight?
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| 09:25 | <Ryudo> yes send to giorgiolago@hotmail.com
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| 09:26 | <ogra> sbalneav, you have slideshows you saend around ?
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| 09:26 | *send
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> I did a talk for FISL in April, yeah, I've got a slideshow on localdevs.
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| 09:27 | <ogra> cool
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| 09:27 | we should see that we coordinate our slides :)
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| 09:27 | * ogra has his slides from ubuntulive ... | |
| 09:27 | <sbalneav> I'll send them to you too
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| 09:28 | <joebob777as7> ogra, in portland?
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| 09:28 | <ogra> we should probably sit down at the conference for an hour with everyone who has slides :)
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| 09:28 | joebob777as7, yup
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> come up with one big slideshow :)
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| 09:28 | <joebob777as7> nice i live near there but couldn't go
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| 09:28 | <ogra> sbalneav, well, with a general template we can give to users :)
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| 09:29 | joebob777as7, sad ... but its a beautiful area around there, i really liked it
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| 09:29 | we'll be ther next year same time i guess :)
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| 09:29 | <joebob777as7> how was it?
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| 09:29 | <ogra> great
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| 09:29 | <joebob777as7> why portland?
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| 09:29 | what's so great about it to have ubuntu live?
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| 09:29 | <ogra> the workshops on the last day werent really full though ... was rather a business thingie
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| 09:30 | portland because o'riley asked us to team up with them for oscon
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| 09:31 | ubuntulive is rather a business event for sysadmins and CTOs :)
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| 09:31 | <joebob777as7> oic
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| 09:31 | <ogra> these so called "decision makers" that want to know more :)
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| 09:31 | <joebob777as7> I actually live in eugene and I hear mark and some people were down here having lunch... I can't believe I didn't know about it!
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| 09:32 | <ogra> yeah, you could have met us in this big irish pub :)
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| 09:32 | <joebob777as7> it's been sitting [ 23.988000] eth0: no IPv6 routers present for long dang time over 5 mins...
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| 09:32 | next year
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| 09:33 | <ogra> there is something woky going on ... we'll find it :)
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| 09:33 | <joebob777as7> k
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| 09:33 | <ogra> ah, crap
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| 09:33 | i should have told you to drop quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 09:33 | can you do that ?
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| 09:33 | <joebob777as7> lol yeah
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| 09:33 | <ogra> then you will see the boot messages
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| 09:34 | so we dont miss kernel breakage or some such
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| 09:34 | what HW are these clients ?
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| 09:35 | <joebob777as7> and reboot client?
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| 09:35 | http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X60_Tablet
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| 09:35 | confirmed working on feisty
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| 09:35 | <ogra> did you file bug #139059 ?
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| 09:36 | <joebob777as7> yup
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| 09:36 | <ogra> ah :)
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| 09:36 | <joebob777as7> lol last night midnight
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| 09:36 | <ogra> yeah, saw it this moring
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| 09:36 | hmm that thing has a ton of builtin stuff
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| 09:37 | <joebob777as7> i have a t30 here should i try that?
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| 09:37 | <ogra> oh, and it has a supported wln card build in ...
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| 09:37 | *wlan
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| 09:37 | <joebob777as7> it just got to the same part. i saw something red whiz by but couldn't read it
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| 09:37 | yea it does
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| 09:37 | <ogra> yeah, try the T30
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| 09:38 | and see if it behaves any different
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| 09:38 | <joebob777as7> should i disable wlan and retry
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| 09:38 | <ogra> no, try the t30 first
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| 09:38 | <joebob777as7> ok do you want me to leave lts.conf ?
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| 09:38 | <ogra> so we can see if its HW specific
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| 09:38 | yep
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| 09:38 | <joebob777as7> remove it?
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| 09:38 | <ogra> just be aware that with SCREEN_02 theer wont be X :)
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| 09:38 | no, leave it there
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| 09:38 | <joebob777as7> ok
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| 09:38 | <ogra> its fine for debugging ytm
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| 09:38 | *atm
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| 09:40 | <joebob777as7> modlule.c faied to load module "module-detect" (argument: ""): initialization failed.
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| 09:40 | E: main.c: Module load failed
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| 09:40 | <ogra> thats ok
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| 09:40 | <joebob777as7> main.c: failed to initialize daemon.
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| 09:41 | * ogra makes a note to remove module-detect from pluseaudio | |
| 09:41 | <ogra> thats only ulse
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| 09:41 | <joebob777as7> and stops at eth0: no IPv6 routers present
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| 09:41 | <ogra> *pulse
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| 09:41 | no login on tty2 ?
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| 09:41 | <joebob777as7> oh i see it
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| 09:41 | hmm maybe it was there on my x60 didn't look
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| 09:41 | <ogra> thast the t30 now ?
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| 09:42 | <joebob777as7> yes
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| 09:42 | <ogra> did it boot in a speed you would expect ?
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| 09:42 | <joebob777as7> i'm at in terminal
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| 09:42 | yes it did
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| 09:42 | <ogra> ok
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| 09:42 | so its specific to the x60
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| 09:42 | <joebob777as7> well it booted to that point pretty quick too. hold on i'm going to see if i have terminal on it
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| 09:43 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:43 | <joebob777as7> yeah i'm there
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| 09:44 | <ogra> same speed ?
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| 09:44 | <joebob777as7> faster
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| 09:44 | <ogra> ok
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| 09:44 | so its not the HW ... likely X then
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| 09:44 | add a line with SCREEN_07=ldm below the other SCREEN entry in your lts.conf now
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| 09:44 | and reboot
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| 09:44 | <joebob777as7> updates just popped up on my server ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone from 5.0.27 to 5.0.28 should i do that? they weren't there last night...
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| 09:45 | <ogra> (the x60)
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| 09:45 | <ogra> i know, i uploaded them this morning :)
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| 09:45 | it shouldnt have anything that helps here ... so keep the version you have for now
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| 09:45 | <joebob777as7> ok
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| 09:45 | <ogra> .27 should work fine as well
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| 09:46 | i guess its a glitch with the intel X driver
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| 09:46 | <joebob777as7> stuck blinking underscore on screen 7
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| 09:47 | can see terminal on 2
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| 09:47 | <ogra> look at the end of /var/log/Xorg.6.log
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| 09:47 | there should be some indicator
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| 09:49 | <joebob777as7> there is no Xorg.6.log there is an Xorg.1.log and it says xorg detected your mouse blah blah your xorg.conf file is /tmp/xorg.conf.new to test the server, run 'X -config /tmp/xorg.conf.new
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| 09:49 | what did you change in thin-client-manager? just fixes?
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| 09:49 | nice it just booted me into welcome screen... do you want me to try to log in?
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| 09:49 | <ogra> i made it work at all with gutsys ltsp version :)
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| 09:50 | did it boot in a reasonable speed ?
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| 09:50 | <joebob777as7> lol no
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| 09:50 | <ogra> now that the login screen is there, you still dont have Xorg.6.log ?
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| 09:51 | <joebob777as7> lol NO i was sitting in console on 2 and looked at the xorg log and typed that response. then waited and finally it popped up
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| 09:51 | i'll check
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| 09:51 | oh it is now
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| 09:51 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:51 | seems the X detection is just slow
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| 09:51 | not much i can do about it from my side ... but you can :)
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| 09:53 | <joebob777as7> there are 10 ofe these with different numbers(II) I810(0): xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 8 then (WW)I810(0): Successfully set original devices (2)
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| 09:53 | <ogra> ok
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| 09:54 | <joebob777as7> If i go to log in at welcome screen it just takes me to a black screen with a cursor and it takes about 3 mins to get past "verifying password, please wait..."
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| 09:54 | <ogra> scp -o ControlPath=/var/run/ldm_socket /etc/X11/xorg.conf server:/tmp/xorg.conf-x60
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| 09:54 | run that on the client
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| 09:54 | that will copy the current xorg.conf into the servers /tmp
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| 09:55 | <joebob777as7> crap! i've got to go
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| 09:55 | <ogra> then: sudo cp /tmp/xorg.conf-x60 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
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| 09:55 | <joebob777as7> i'll be back in a couple hours
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| 09:55 | <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 09:56 | <joebob777as7> i'll try when i get back
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| 09:56 | thx i'll ttyl
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| 09:56 | <ogra> then add XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/xorg.conf-x60 to your lts.conf
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| 09:56 | that will make it skip the X detection completely and make it use this file
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| 09:57 | <joebob777as7> i'm waiting on the x30 as well it takes just as long to start... fyi. ttyl
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| 09:59 | <ogra> the slowest i see here is 120 secs on a 200Mhz client with 48M ram
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| 10:00 | comon average is under a minute
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| 11:26 | <Ryudo> sbalneav thank you very much !:D
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| 11:28 | sbalneav the email not received :( try send me again plz , giorgiolago@hotmail.com
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| 11:28 | <sbalneav> I haven't sent it yet
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| 11:28 | I'm still at work. Will be for another several hours. I'll send it tonight.
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| 11:51 | <ogra> hey hey, the vagrant
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> greetings
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| 12:44 | <lns> Maybe I'm missing something simple - can someone explain to me why, by default, /etc/inetd.conf has a double line of "/usr/sbin/in.tftpd" before its switch '-s /var/lib/tftpboot' ? (Ubuntu Feisty)
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> Shouldn't
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| 12:44 | If they're identical, remove one.
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| 12:45 | <lns> I.E. "tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 12:45 | strange thing is, it works....
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| 12:46 | <ogra> it uses update-inetd ... which will refuse to add it twice ... so your second entry must come from some other package
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| 12:46 | <lns> ogra, weird... it's a default Ubuntu 64-bit server (Feisty) install w/LTSP packages...
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| 12:47 | <ogra> do you mean that complete line is in there twice ?
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| 12:47 | <lns> I'll take it out, though. I did on another server after experiencing 'TFTP: File not found" errors, but on another (new) server install, it works out of the box
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| 12:47 | <ogra> or did you mean the in.tftpd
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> it's not two entries, lns is talking about a single entry with the /usr/sbin/in.tftpd listed twice
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| 12:47 | <lns> ogra, in.tftpd
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| 12:47 | <ogra> yeah, now i get it
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| 12:47 | thats fine, leave it as it is
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> no idea why, but that's how it is.
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| 12:48 | <lns> ogra, ok, can you explain to me why this is?
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| 12:48 | <ogra> the first call is the wrapper
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| 12:48 | <lns> oh
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| 12:48 | like tcpd
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| 12:48 | <ogra> the second is the actual binary of the daemon
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| 12:48 | <lns> but...the same thing ;)
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| 12:48 | <ogra> they are identical in case of in.ftfpd
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| 12:48 | *tftpd
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| 12:48 | <lns> ok, awesome...thanks =)
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| 12:49 | the weird thing is, I was trying to get VNC/GDM working, and the howto called for xinetd..i installed that (ugh) and it screwed up inetd (duh, should have thought of that) - but when I reverted back to inetd, it wouldn't work with the wrapper entry - i took out the second 'in.tftpd' and it worked.
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| 12:50 | but 'ps auxw' shows a process of simply '-s /var/lib/tftpboot' (without in.tftpd)..maybe that's normal, but weird.
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| 12:51 | <thermoman> ogra: bought linux magazine :)
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| 12:51 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:51 | good move
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| 12:52 | <thermoman> i really think it has something to do with the graphics card/kernel module /xorg module on the clients here at work causing this laggyness....
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| 12:53 | will install ltsp tomorrow to see if it's better then
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| 12:53 | <ogra> yeah, try it
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| 12:53 | <thermoman> what's the prefered distro?
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| 12:53 | suse or ubuntu?
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| 12:53 | <ogra> ubuntu or debian
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| 12:53 | <thermoman> or any other
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> !bestdistro
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| 12:53 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "bestdistro" is not a valid command.
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| 12:53 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> !bestltspdistro
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| 12:53 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
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| 12:53 | <ogra> !besteditor
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| 12:53 | <thermoman> i mean for ltsp
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| 12:53 | <ltspbot> ogra: Error: "besteditor" is not a valid command.
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| 12:53 | <ogra> bah, not there either
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| 12:54 | <thermoman> ogra: do you use thinclients from igel?
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| 12:54 | <ogra> nope
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| 12:54 | <thermoman> we use some from rangee.com
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| 12:54 | it's all via based
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| 12:54 | and i know via suxx big ass
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> ogra's probably biased towards ubuntu, i'm biased towards debian, both of which have been ltsp5 longest ... suse just started getting some ltsp5 stuff together...
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| 12:54 | <thermoman> ok, then ubuntu
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| 12:55 | <ogra> i have some compaqs, all models from disklessworkstations.com, some rangeee, one fujitsu siemens and two thin can clients
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| 12:55 | <thermoman> what video chips do they use?
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| 12:55 | <ogra> vagrantc, we really need to help cyberorg to get his stuff properly into the tree (like proper split of server/client side etc)
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| 12:56 | thermoman, various ... via, sis, amd ...
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| 12:56 | i think there is also one with a trident somewhere in my storage
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| 12:57 | <thermoman> ogra: do you know differences in graphics performance between openchrome and unichrome modules for cle266?
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| 12:58 | <ogra> well, openchrome is the only one i can get XVideo to work with on the CLE266
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| 12:58 | <ogra> its definately the best i have found for that chipset
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| 12:59 | <thermoman> mhh ... i'm using mplayer with xv i think on the current setup ... works
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| 12:59 | it's hell of network traffic, but works :)
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| 13:00 | <ogra> indeed
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| 13:00 | dont use it on more than one or two clients :)
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| 13:00 | but its very convenient to have a thin client attached to your TV and store the movies in the basement ;)
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| 13:01 | <thermoman> i tried ltsp in the 4.x days and stole the initrd/nfs/pivot_root thingie and setup my own terminalserver/tc-environment ... seems it's time to reevaluate :)
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> ogra: it seems like all they do is use kiwi for everything ...
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| 13:01 | <ogra> vagrantc, right
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| 13:02 | but you can split the kiwi script onto server and client scripts i guess :)
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| 13:02 | so we can properly integrate it upstream
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> seems like dropping what they have into a plugin would probably suffice
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| 13:02 | <lns> Do you guys think that disklessworkstations.com has the best ongoing compatibility w/LTSP?
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| 13:03 | <ogra> vagrantc, exactly
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| 13:03 | lns, well, yes
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| 13:03 | <Ryudo> ok sbalneav i'm wait :D
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc> lns: well, the founder of LTSP runs disklessworkstations.com ...
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| 13:03 | <ogra> lns, disklessworkstations.com pays the developer summits :)
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| 13:03 | <lns> =) cool. I'd love to support ltsp in that way then.
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| 13:03 | <ogra> every client you buy there will support ltsp
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| 13:04 | <jcastro> lns: I buy from disklessworkstations, they're pretty awesome
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| 13:05 | <ogra> jcastro, hey, when do you show up in the *important* channels ? i thought you started already :)
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| 13:05 | <cyberorg> hi vagrantc
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| 13:05 | <jcastro> ogra: monday!
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| 13:05 | <ogra> ah :)
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| 13:05 | <lns> jcastro, I like the style they have too, especially for the LTSP Term 1220 PXE
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| 13:05 | * ogra pats the T170 ... | |
| 13:05 | <lns> just a bit expensive compared to some others..but still definitely competitive.
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: greetings, how goes?
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| 13:06 | <jcastro> lns: yeah I need to get those, I have a bunch of 150's.
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| 13:06 | <ogra> dont say anything against the 150 :)
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| 13:06 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, we set up svn repo today, got most of the things working
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| 13:06 | <jcastro> they work fine.
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| 13:06 | * vagrantc doesn't even know which thin-client vagrantc has | |
| 13:06 | <ogra> they have one of the best soundcards i have found in TCs
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| 13:07 | vagrantc, disklessworkstations has pictures ;)
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| 13:07 | * cyberorg uses laptop to test client | |
| 13:07 | <ogra> (you have to use a browser that can dislay them though)
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| 13:07 | :)
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| 13:07 | <lns> The 1000 PXEs look awesome...just wish they were sound compatible w/ubuntu :(
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| 13:07 | <ogra> they are really not that great
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| 13:08 | <jcastro> the 1220's need that chrome driver right?
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| 13:08 | * ogra ist a fan of the e1000 | |
| 13:08 | <ogra> *isnt
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> ah, it must be the 1220 PXE
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| 13:08 | <ogra> jcastro, openchrome, yes
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| 13:08 | theer is a backport in the works for feisty i heard
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| 13:08 | <lns> woo! nice
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| 13:08 | <ogra> (its properly packaged in gutsy)
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| 13:09 | <lns> Sounds like Gutsy is going to be a big relief to the LTSP world..
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| 13:09 | ogra, can you tell me how development is going w/thin-client-manager?
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| 13:09 | <ogra> it will solve stuff and bring new probs ...
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| 13:09 | thats the way software goes :)
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| 13:09 | <lns> well yeah =)
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| 13:10 | <ogra> lns, its fixed, works like in feisty ...
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| 13:10 | * ogra did that yesterday | |
| 13:10 | <lns> !!
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| 13:10 | =)
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| 13:10 | <ltspbot> lns: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 13:10 | <jcastro> ogra: man, I am going to miss the tail end of my ltsp deployment. Just got 3 more servers.
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| 13:10 | <ogra> i thought you still have access ?
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| 13:11 | <lns> i'm gonna need to check that out..my teachers' mouths have been watering for some of the features in t-c-m
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| 13:11 | <jcastro> I'll be around, it'll just be someone else's baby.
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| 13:13 | <ogra> lns, for the client side you will still need https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients (likely with soe more options to the x11vnc call to add compression and smaller imagesize if you have many clients)
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| 13:14 | <lns> ogra, ok, good info..thanks. Yeah, the labs are ~30-35 clients each
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| 13:14 | <cliebow_> lns:you can try my downwardly mobile Teachertool if you like...
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| 13:15 | <sbalneav> jcastro: Congrats! btw
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| 13:15 | <cliebow_> err.crappola..i have to check it in gutsy and woint be in again til Monday..
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| 13:16 | <lns> mobile teachertool... ok =) thx
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| 13:16 | <jcastro> sbalneav: thanks!
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| 13:16 | <lns> I'm on Feisty still
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| 13:16 | * jammcq can't wait till jcastro can get us great discounts on ubuntu software :) | |
| 13:17 | <ogra> lol
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| 13:18 | <cliebow_> no downwardly mobile..
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| 13:18 | jcastro:canonical hire you??
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| 13:21 | <jcastro> cliebow_: yeah I start on monday
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| 13:21 | <lns> jcastro, congrats!
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| 13:21 | <jcastro> cliebow_: ogra got me drunk and convinced me to try it. So I was like "why not?"
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| 13:21 | <cliebow_> very cool!!!when you need to hire a potwasher..look me up
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| 13:21 | <lns> i love seeing oss companies hiring ppl =)
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| 13:21 | <cliebow_> ogra will take good care of you i'm sure 8~)
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| 13:22 | <jcastro> cliebow_: he needs a smoking buddy. :D
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| 13:22 | <ogra> yeah !
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| 13:22 | <cliebow_> i know..and i gave it up 8~(
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| 13:22 | * ogra totally forgot that ... the smokers team has grown, yay | |
| 13:22 | <jammcq> ugh
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| 13:23 | <cliebow_> jcastro:they give you a job description?
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| 13:23 | <lns> watch jcastro break out the bong on his first day =p
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| 13:23 | <jcastro> cliebow_: yeah I'm doing that external developer relations job
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| 13:23 | <ogra> jammcq, dont say ugh ... smoking ia a lonesome job nowadays
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| 13:23 | <cliebow_> 70 days 14 hours 21 minutes 30 seconds
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| 13:24 | i never bum em..but ive been known to sit "real" close to a smoker
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| 13:25 | that is great...jammcq has spoken often of you..nicely
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| 13:25 | <Blinny> When one wants to get rid of an unsupportable pressure, one needs hashish. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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| 13:26 | <monteslu> ogra, have you seen any other reports (besides mine and David Trask's) of mass session drops in feisty?
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| 13:26 | <ogra> monteslu, not yet, no
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| 13:26 | <cliebow_> lns:wiki.ltsp.org has links and stuff for Teach2 if you want to look into it..
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| 13:26 | <ogra> monteslu, are you using ldap as well ?
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| 13:27 | i wonder if its an ldap breakdown or something like that
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| 13:27 | <monteslu> ogra, yeah I'm also using smbldap
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| 13:27 | could be
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| 13:27 | <cliebow_> monteslu, you mewan a working session just craps out?
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| 13:27 | <monteslu> unfortunately I'm never in there when they have a lab full
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| 13:28 | cliebow, yeah like 20 or 30 sessions simultaneously
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| 13:28 | david trask just posted the same thing on the edubuntu list
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| 13:28 | <cliebow_> wierd. how could that be related to smbldap i wonder?
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| 13:28 | <monteslu> no idea
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| 13:29 | just similiarity between mine and Matt Oquist's setups
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| 13:29 | not David Trask, I got those two confused :)
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| 13:29 | <ogra> cliebow, well, if your auth mechanism is gone and any app tries to look up your uid ...
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| 13:30 | <cliebow_> yeah..i supposew.
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| 13:30 | <ogra> cliebow, if you then have samba mounted homes and any gnome app wants to write to .gconf or so ...
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| 13:30 | and samba cant find out if you're allowed to write ...
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| 13:30 | no idea, really i'm just guessing ...
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| 13:31 | <monteslu> actually the homes are NFS
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| 13:31 | <ogra> but it seems like a central point of failure
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| 13:31 | <monteslu> samba is just for the windows clients
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| 13:31 | <joebob777as7> hey ogra i'm back
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| 13:32 | <cliebow_> monteslu, you have logging setup for ldap?perhaps that would show something
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| 13:33 | <monteslu> I'll try that. unfortunately I won't be in the lab this week. I really gotta setup something similar in vmware
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| 13:33 | <cliebow_> add a line to syslog like local4.debug /var/log/ldap?
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| 13:34 | <monteslu> cool. will do
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| 13:43 | <joebob777as7> ogra, I went to follow your previous directions but the first scp command you gave is taking long time.... been minutes. shouldn't it be instant?
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| 13:45 | <joebob777as7> lol i might need to install ssh? rofl
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| 13:45 | oh nm... hmm it is already installed
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| 13:47 | anyway not working... also wondering what the two new lines in dhcpd.conf are for the "next-server" and the "get-lease-hostnames"
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| 13:47 | ?
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> Next server's there incase your tftp server's different from your dhcpd server
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| 13:49 | get-lease-hostnames is if you're trying to have individial hostnames assigned to terminals.
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| 13:49 | <joebob777as7> oh ok cool
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> Both of them should be commented out.
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| 13:49 | <joebob777as7> they are
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| 13:50 | did ogra go to lunch?
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> I think he's taking a break.
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| 13:59 | <joebob777as7> he must of known i was coming to ask for help ;) he knows i'm trouble
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| 14:52 | <ogra> joebaker, 21:33 here ... even though i use to eat late lunch time is over
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| 14:52 | err
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| 14:52 | joebob777as7, ^^^
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| 14:52 | <joebob777as7> hey!
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| 14:52 | <ogra> i have a meeting in 10 min
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| 14:52 | <joebob777as7> sad
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| 14:53 | <ogra> you need to be logged in for the socket to exists
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| 14:53 | <joebob777as7> well i'll be here the rest of the day
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| 14:53 | ok
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| 14:53 | <ogra> just drop the socket part and use a normal scp command
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| 14:53 | <joebob777as7> scp times out...
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| 14:53 | <ogra> ping server
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| 14:53 | <joebob777as7> let me look again
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| 14:54 | <ogra> does that return proper replies ?
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| 14:54 | <joebob777as7> 192.168.0.254... but my server ip is 192.168.0.2
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| 14:54 | <ogra> aha
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| 14:54 | there you got your speed prob i guess
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| 14:55 | <joebob777as7> really? where is it getting that from?
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| 14:55 | <ogra> well, usually from dhcp
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| 14:55 | did you change anything in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 14:56 | <joebob777as7> yes everything. http://pastebin.ca/694433
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| 14:57 | <dniel> hello!
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| 14:57 | Blinny: hi
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| 14:57 | <ogra> can you pastebin the output of ifconfig -a as well ?
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| 14:58 | <joebob777as7> http://pastebin.ca/694435
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> ogra: is it correct to say that with pulse set as a virtual alsa device that a program need only have alsa support and not necessarily esd/pulse support to function properly?
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| 14:58 | <joebob777as7> why doesn't ctrl+c stop the ping on my client?
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| 14:58 | <ogra> Gadi, exactly
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| 14:58 | <joebob777as7> what's that mean Gadi ?
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> excellent - I have someone asking for real player - and it took me a sec but then thought, yeah it might just work on ltsp5
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| 14:59 | <ogra> Gadi, even though we set PULSE_SERVER and ESPEAKER as well, so both *can* work natively
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 14:59 | <ogra> the newer ones should, afaik they use alsa
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| 14:59 | <Blinny> Hmm. I wonder, if I grab Alan Hourihane's i810 driver from http://www.fairlite.demon.co.uk/intel.html and drop it into my /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ directory will it work. Ahh what the hell I'll give it a try.
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| 14:59 | <ogra> old relaplayers used libesd directly iirc ... they wont
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| 15:00 | Blinny, make a backup !
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| 15:00 | <Blinny> ogra: Of course!
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| 15:00 | <ogra> :)
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| 15:00 | <Blinny> Now I need an unsuspecting guinea pig.
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> excellent. have a good weekend, folks
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| 15:00 | <Blinny> (I had a second i810 xserver crash on a 2nd machine this afternoon)
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| 15:01 | *wave Gadi*
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| 15:02 | <joebob777as7> where else should i look ogra ?
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| 15:02 | <ogra> joebob777as7, well, on the thin client the hostname "server" should actually point to 10.0.0.1
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| 15:03 | its a bit weird that it points to 192.168.0.254 since thats the fallback ip if the servers IP cant be determined
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| 15:03 | sorry, i have to hold a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now ...
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| 15:04 | <joebob777as7> ok i'll be here when you get back
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| 15:04 | <ogra> i wont stay around long afterwards though ... i'm working sincwe 12h already ...
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| 15:04 | <joebob777as7> ok...
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| 15:05 | sbalneav, think you can help me find this issue?
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> What issue is this?
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| 15:06 | <joebob777as7> my clients think that the server ip is 192.168.0.254
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> what's your lts.conf file look like?
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| 15:06 | <dniel> ogra: hello, can you help me?
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> He's in a meeting
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| 15:07 | What do you need?
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| 15:07 | <joebob777as7> [default]
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| 15:07 | screen_02=shell
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| 15:07 | screen_07=ldm
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| 15:09 | here is my dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.ca/694433
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| 15:09 | ifconfig -a http://pastebin.ca/694435
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: that's wrong right off the bat.
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| 15:09 | names gotta be in caps
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| 15:09 | SCREEN_02
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| 15:09 | <joebob777as7> yeah they are...
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| 15:09 | sorry
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> ok, tell ya what, why don't you paste it, so I can see what you've got?
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> Second, if you've changed the server ip, you need a SERVER line
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| 15:11 | <joebob777as7> http://pastebin.ca/694455
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> which interface is serving the thin clients?
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| 15:11 | 192.168.0.2, or 10.0.0.1
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| 15:11 | <Blinny> Module ABI version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1). Damn.
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| 15:11 | <joebob777as7> 10.0.0.1
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> ok, so add a line to your default like SERVER=10.0.0.1
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| 15:13 | <joebob777as7> done
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> Try that, should work.
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| 15:15 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, wow too easy! works perfect!
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> Ta dah
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| 15:17 | <joebob777as7> one question sbalneav what do i need to do to enable compiz?
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> What, in a terminal?
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| 15:18 | or on the console?
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| 15:19 | <joebob777as7> well i went in to appearance and desktop effects and tried to choose normal or extra effects and it didn't work... it did however in feisty
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> Like I say, on a terminal you're trying to do this? Because we disable compiz on terminals.
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| 15:19 | You can't pick it.
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| 15:20 | <joebob777as7> oh why is that?
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| 15:20 | yes on a terminal
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> It's a huge network hog, and causes all kinds of stability problems on thin clients.
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| 15:21 | <joebob777as7> crap
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> basically, compiz isn't really tested or designed to work on anything but the console.
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| 15:21 | And besides, you REALLY don't want 35 people yanking that cube around. You'd kill your server.
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| 15:21 | <joebob777as7> that sucks... hmm.... so i guess i'll have to go away from ltsp and xdmcp? does it work with that?
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| 15:22 | lol well i do want 5 people doing it
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| 15:22 | that's how many thins i'm running
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| 15:22 | is there a way to to all of that local?
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> Yeah, put in 5 workstations.
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| 15:23 | What's so great about compiz? It does NOTHING
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| 15:23 | Doesn't help you to do your work at all, IMHO
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| 15:23 | <joebob777as7> well i have 5 workstations i just wanted to run them without hard drives.
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> This gutsy or feisty you're playing with?
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| 15:25 | <joebob777as7> well for my computer users that are pretty ignorant it gives them a 3d look at their desktop to help them better visualize where their documents are on the desktops. I have found in training them it is much easier for them to use compiz than to remember to go to the other virtual desktop in a 2d feel.
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| 15:25 | Gutsy
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> Well, if you're a glutton for punishment, you could always rm the S15-prevent-compiz function in the ldm rc.d area.
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| 15:26 | <joebob777as7> where is that?
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> If you come in complaining about problems with compiz and ltsp, though, I will merely laugh at you :)
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| 15:26 | in the chroot
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| 15:27 | <joebob777as7> or do you think it would be better to xdmcp? do you know if it works with xdmcp?
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| 15:27 | <sbalneav> No, it's not tested with xdmcp either
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| 15:27 | it's not certified to work with ANY remote X display.
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| 15:28 | <joebob777as7> so is there a better way to host all documents and files on a central server than ltsp?
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d
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| 15:28 | <joebob777as7> for my purposes that is
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> Yeah
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| 15:28 | <joebob777as7> oh cool!
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> use ltsp, and forget about compiz
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| 15:28 | <joebob777as7> lol
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| 15:28 | can't my boss tells me all 5 computers have to have it
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> phht.
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| 15:29 | <joebob777as7> that's what you get for letting her browse around on youtube...
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| 15:30 | i knew i should have banned youtube.com now look what i've got myself into
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> try deleting the S15 file, but expect problems
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| 15:31 | <joebob777as7> ok thanks.
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| 17:38 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 18:07 | <lns> Good afternoon sbalneav ;)
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| 18:07 | <sbalneav> Hello lsn
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| 18:08 | <lns> Is gutsy going to be the new LTS?
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| 18:09 | <sbalneav> Long Term Support? No
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| 18:09 | The next one, Hardy Heron will be.
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| 18:10 | <lns> ahh gotcha
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| 18:10 | in terms of LTSP though, sticking with Ubuntu LTS probably isn't such a good idea, huh (since it's in such heavy development & improvement)
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| 18:11 | i'm sure that question is largely up to perspective though
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| 18:14 | <sbalneav> I'm suspecting Hardy will be a good one to stick with for a while.
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| 18:14 | W've done a LOT of good work these last two releases.
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| 18:15 | <lns> right on =) that's music to my ears\
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| 18:23 | <Q-FUNK> the hardy boys mystery
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| 18:29 | <lns> Q-FUNK, =P
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| 18:33 | <jcastro> lns: I deploy ltsp in dapper (the last LTS) and it's not so horrible.
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| 18:33 | lns: sure I miss out on alot of goodies, but it's still pretty simple to use.
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| 18:43 | <Penberthy> hey can anyone tell me if the HP Compaq t5135 using HP ThinConnect will work with LTSP
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| 18:44 | it does use the PXE protocol so I think yes but I would like to confirm
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| 18:45 | well pm me if it works
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| 18:45 | Got To Go
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| 18:55 | <white_n_azz> newbie alert...Computer says "File not found" and then TFTP file not found which is obviously the boot kernel which is set according to dhcp.conf example
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| 18:55 | filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp";
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| 18:55 | <sbalneav> white_n_azz: What version of LTSP on what server?
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| 18:56 | <white_n_azz> just downloaded yesterday...4.x and on CentOS 5
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| 18:56 | # ls -l /tftpboot/lts
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| 18:56 | total 8440
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| 18:56 | drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 17 2006 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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| 18:56 | drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 11 2006 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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| 18:56 | drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 Jun 1 14:55 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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| 18:56 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2752000 Apr 17 2006 vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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| 18:56 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2878976 Aug 11 2006 vmlinuz-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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| 18:56 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2984960 Jun 1 14:55 vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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| 18:57 | <sbalneav> Can you paste your dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot?
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| 18:57 | !pastebot
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| 18:57 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 18:58 | <ltsppbot> "whitecraig" pasted "my dhcpd.conf" (143 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/318
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| 18:58 | <white_n_azz> that's pretty cool...
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| 18:59 | learn something every day
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| 18:59 | <joebob777as7> white_n_azz, what did you learn yesterday?
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| 18:59 | ;)
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| 18:59 | <white_n_azz> I'm targetting getting Macs going but figured it would be easier to start with a Intel box with PXEBoot first
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| 19:00 | <sbalneav> white_n_azz: You're filename's wrong
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| 19:00 | <joebob777as7> should be the same when you do ltsp-build-client use --arch ppc i believe
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| 19:01 | <white_n_azz> I didn't start fooling with architectures yet
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| 19:01 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: he's on the old 4.2
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| 19:01 | <joebob777as7> oh nm
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| 19:01 | <sbalneav> that didn't exist then
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| 19:01 | <white_n_azz> I got the impression that ltsp 5 wasn't quite yet ready for me yet
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| 19:02 | <sbalneav> If you're runnin a GOOD linux distro, it is :)
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| 19:02 | <joebob777as7> GO UBUNTU!!!!
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| 19:02 | <white_n_azz> does CentOS 5 qualify?
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| 19:02 | <sbalneav> To me, no :)
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| 19:02 | <joebob777as7> lol
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| 19:03 | <sbalneav> No one's ported ltsp5 to RH distro's yet.
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| 19:03 | <white_n_azz> I somehow figured that was somewhere in there
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| 19:03 | <sbalneav> We can't seem to get too many people interested from Fedora
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| 19:03 | <white_n_azz> that's funny because k12ltsp was so married to RH (fedora)
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| 19:03 | <sbalneav> Yep, and they're still running the old 4.2
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| 19:04 | <white_n_azz> anything stick out on my dhcpd.conf? I am fairly convinced that the Intel box actually went from SRV1 (my dhcpd server) to SRV2 (the machine with ltsp installed)
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| 19:05 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I told you
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| 19:05 | <white_n_azz> but it says that it didn't find the file...and the wiki says that the exact filename isn't necessary in dhcpd.conf
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| 19:05 | <sbalneav> you're filename's wrong
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| 19:05 | <white_n_azz> then the wiki is confusing
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| 19:05 | <sbalneav> what wiki is this?
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| 19:06 | <white_n_azz> http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html
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| 19:06 | http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html
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| 19:06 | As of LTSP, version 2.09pre2, you no longer have to specify a particular kernel to load.
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| 19:06 | is what it says
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| 19:07 | <sbalneav> version 2.09
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| 19:07 | you're on version 4.2
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| 19:07 | <white_n_azz> yeah...I figured that it was well past that caveat
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| 19:08 | so one of the files in /tftpboot/ltsp is vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 is that the filename that needs to be put into dhcpd.conf?
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| 19:09 | <sbalneav> take a look in the tftpboot/ltsp/ vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 dir
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| 19:09 | should be a pxelinux.0 in there, I beleieve
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| 19:10 | <white_n_azz> there is
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| 19:10 | is that the file/path that should be loaded in dhcpd.conf?
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| 19:10 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 19:10 | <white_n_azz> thanks...gonna try it now
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| 19:10 | <sbalneav> bot /tftpboot's already there, so just start it with /lts/...
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| 19:12 | <white_n_azz> yeah thanks...that I got
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| 19:14 | wow - it worked...new issues but that's to be expected, plus, this is sort of kinky hardware (an Optiplex 320 which doesn't run i386 all that well) so I'm kernel panicked but I am working
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| 19:16 | OK one more question though...ltspadmin says that xdmcp is installed, not enabled and not running (KDM is running)
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| 19:16 | if I get the rest of this working...do I need to have xdmcp running or is KDM sufficient?
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| 19:36 | <loather-work> kdm can feed xdmcp, sure
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| 19:36 | go through the configuration file for kdm and see if there's an option to turn it on
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| 22:18 | <dniel> vagrantc: hi!
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| 22:18 | vagrantc: are you here?
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| 22:18 | vagrantc: vengo a molestarte :)
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| 22:48 | <dniel> I never found everybody
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| 22:48 | :(
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| 23:04 | <sbalneav> I'm here
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| 23:06 | <sbalneav> dniel: I'm here
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| 23:06 | <dniel> sbalneav: helo!
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| 23:07 | sbalneav: sorry if my english is bad. I'm argentinian
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| 23:07 | <sbalneav> I know, we've talked before
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| 23:09 | <dniel> sbalneav: I have a question: Where are there a good documentation of how ltsp-5 work?
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| 23:09 | <sbalneav> The edubuntu handbook
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| 23:10 | <dniel> I want to know how the software work, its achitecture
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| 23:10 | <sbalneav> Or, for even more up to date documentation, you can check my ppa on launchpad. I have an edubuntu-docs package there for the latest gutsy release
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| 23:10 | right, the edubuntu handbook has a "theory of operation" section.
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| 23:11 | Or, you could just look at the source.
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| 23:11 | <dniel> sbalneav: thanks! :D
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| 23:12 | sbalneav: can you give me the links of your ppa?
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| 23:12 | <sbalneav> https://edge.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive
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| 23:14 | <dniel> sbalneav: oh! thanks
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| 23:20 | <dniel> sbalneav: I have a question for you please. I start a weigth procces in a thin client, then i go to the server and I run top command, but I don't see the use of cpu. Why?
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| 23:21 | <sbalneav> You start what process?
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| 23:22 | <dniel> sbalneav: in the bash i put "yes Hello World"
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| 23:22 | sbalneav: in the thin client of course
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| 23:22 | <sbalneav> in what? A graphical shell? or on SCREEN_02 or something like that?
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| 23:23 | <dniel> sbalneav: on SCREEN_02
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| 23:23 | <sbalneav> Well, of course you won't see it.
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| 23:23 | it's running ON the thin client itself.
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| 23:23 | it's not running on the server.
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| 23:23 | The server doesn't see what's running on the client.
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| 23:26 | <dniel> sbalneav: I tougth that the all the CPU load was held by the server
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> It is.
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| 23:26 | When you're running an X session on the server.
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| 23:26 | On the client, you run the Xorg server, right?
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| 23:26 | then, you set up a connection to the server, and start Xsession -display <client>, basically
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| 23:27 | so, all the stuff you run, like gnome, etc is running on the server, and displaying on the client.
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| 23:27 | <dniel> sbalneav: ahh!
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| 23:27 | sbalneav: ok
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| 23:27 | <sbalneav> what YOU are doing, by running something on SCREEN=02, is running something locally in the thin client itself.
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| 23:28 | the shells running on the thin client.
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| 23:28 | <dniel> sbalneav: ahhh okey!
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| 23:29 | sbalneav: now I am begining to understand the idea
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| 23:29 | <rafaelfeito> sbalneav: i didn't understand what you mean: "(01:21:58) sbalneav: On the client, you run the Xorg server, right?"
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| 23:29 | <dniel> sbalneav: very thanks!
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| 23:29 | <rafaelfeito> isn't xorg client?
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| 23:31 | <dniel> sbalneav: thanks!..... Here is to late!! I will go to sleep. (ZZzzzZ)
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| 23:31 | sbalneav: good bye!
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| 23:33 | <sbalneav> rafaelfeito: No, you're running an Xorg server
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| 23:34 | The server's the bit that actually talks to the graphics card.
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| 23:36 | <dniel> tin_nqn: www.ltsp.org
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| 23:38 | <lns> Evening, LTSPers
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| 23:42 | <rafaelfeito> ok, i have to study more this things, i thought that we have one server xorg on ... server machine :) and many xorg client on clients...
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| 23:42 | sbalneav: have the "3 seconds for umount" devices (such as usb) any relationship with 3s nfs' param ?
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| 23:42 | <sbalneav> It's 2 seconds, and no.
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| 23:48 | No, it's actually the other way around. You have MANY xorg servers.
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| 23:50 | <rafaelfeito> is this "inversion" because RPC?
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| 23:53 | <sbalneav> no
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| 23:53 | It's not an inversion at all
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| 23:53 | <lns> It's just 70's Unix folk babble is all ;)
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| 23:54 | <sbalneav> wha?
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| 23:54 | <lns> j/k
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| 23:54 | But you have to admit, from *most* points of view, it is a bit ass/backwards
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| 23:54 | <sbalneav> No, it's not backwards at all.
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| 23:54 | <lns> hehe
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| 23:55 | <sbalneav> How's it backwards?
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| 23:55 | <lns> no i meant from *most* points of view ;)
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| 23:56 | because of the "server" being the one that is "serving" XSessions to thin "clients"...Really, I understand technically why they called the client's software the "server", since all LTSP does is....well, "serve" the OS, the graphical/application libraries, etc...
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| 23:59 | In pretty much every other aspect of software programming (not that IAAP or anything, because I'm not)...well, the server serves things to the client software. You could think of it as the X "client" (which is actually the server) actually just requesting graphical sessions. Kinda a play on words if you think about it.
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| 23:59 | but to actual programmers I'm sure I sound like a total ass. =p
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| 23:59 | <sbalneav> You said it.
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