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Channel log from 12 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<jjjjjjj>
howdy
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<jjjjjjj>
aw crap.. ltsp-5
00:44
here I just spent 15 bux on k12ltsp
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<jjjjjjj>
mind you it works flawless
00:50
got a bunch compaq deskpros with the pxe built into them.
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l8r
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<joebob777as7>
anyone on to help with a couple issues?
01:53
just installed edubuntu gutsy and it takes forever to get to the welcome screen then forever more to get past the verifying password and then never gets to desktop...
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<cyberorg>
joebob777as7, using vmware?
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<ogra>
thermoman, nope
08:16
<schaberalexander>
Blinny: do you know how to tell the kernel to use a smaller block size
08:16
?
08:16
nevermind
08:16
<ogra>
schaberalexander, rsize and wsize options for nfs
08:16
set it in /etc/exports on the server
08:16
<schaberalexander>
ogra: on the wiki it states that I should pass it to the client kernel
08:17
<ogra>
you can do that too, yes
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08:17* ogra didnt touch nfs for 5 months now ... we dropped it :)
08:17
<Blinny>
ogra: No NFS in 5?
08:18
<ogra>
Blinny, you can still fore it ... if you like its slowness :P
08:18
*force
08:18
<Blinny>
heh
08:18
<schaberalexander>
Blinny: that was it! it works now :):):)
08:18
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
08:18
<Blinny>
Does NBD allow for distant mounting?
08:18
Ok I'll read that. Thank you.
08:19
I'd have to switch to Ubuntu first though (;
08:19
<ogra>
Blinny, actually we switched to squashfs/unionfs ... nbd makes it easier to handle the squashfs image (we surely could use nfs here)
08:19
<Blinny>
*Nod*
08:19
I'm planning for exporting /home to remote locations so all my users see the same desktop, no matter their office location.
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<Blinny>
Currently on k12v6
08:19
(4.2)
08:20
<ogra>
well, for that nbd would be the wrong choice
08:20
<Blinny>
Yeah.
08:20
<ogra>
nbd is fine for readonly images
08:20
but not for exporting dirs
08:20
<sbalneav>
ogra: Did you see the minor fix to -core init I updated yesterday?
08:20
<ogra>
sbalneav, i merged this morning, indeed i did :)
08:20
<schaberalexander>
ogra: does only ubuntu use nbd or ltsp5 ?
08:20
<ogra>
its all in
08:21
<schaberalexander>
ok
08:21
<ogra>
schaberalexander, ltsp5 mainly gets developed inside ubuntu
08:21
<sbalneav>
Excellent. I'll merge from you to pick up the -update-image work.
08:21
<Blinny>
ogra: You're too helpful in answering questions (; -- How do you ever get any developing done?!
08:21
<ogra>
schaberalexander, we use nbd in gutsy (the current development release)
08:21
before we had nfs
08:21
Blinny, my computer does the packaging for me :) i have scripts :)
08:22
and ususally i do development if i'm not online or early in the morning or late evening :)
08:22
that worked at least for the last four edubuntu releases :) even with a lot of travelling :)
08:23
sbalneav, all i have left on my todo for gutsy is edubuntu-artwork repackaging and probably a look into ltsp-manager
08:23
TCM was fixed yesterday
08:24
so if the installer part now works, we're pretty much done :)
08:24
schaberalexander, youre german, right ?
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<schaberalexander>
ogra: yes
08:25
<ogra>
schaberalexander, dann wirf mal n blick ins aktuelle linux magazin ;)
08:26
ost ein sehr guter artikel useber ltsp5 und edubuntu drin
08:26
*ist
08:26
<schaberalexander>
ich mag *ubuntu überhaupt nicht ... mag ein bisschen subjektiv sein .. aber ich bin damit überhaupt nicht zurecht gekommen : <
08:27
<ogra>
naja, debian hat auch ltsp5
08:27
is halt schade dass noch keine andere distro eingestiegen is
08:28* ogra finds it intresting that many germans dont like *buntu ... while nearly half of the development team of it is german
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<ogra>
but seems we're still suse country :)
08:30
<sbalneav>
ogra: Yeah! Hey, my co-worker here at work, Carol, went through the Handbook last night,and came up with a TON of error corrections!
08:30
So things are looking good on the handbook side. I'll get that finished off today.
08:30
<ogra>
yay
08:30
i had a good day on TCM yesterday
08:31
i think i'll do some whitespace clanup next weekend on it ... the code is so ugly and bad intended, its a miracle to me that the python interpreter knows what to do :)
08:32
we also need to promote scp-remote a bit more (see my recent mails to edubuntu-users)
08:32
i totally forgot that we have such a comfortable commandline tool to manage sessions ;)
08:33
<sbalneav>
Yeah, saw it updated last night.
08:33
Awesome.
08:33
<ogra>
i also just remembered that python-ltsp is largely unmaintained ... should take a look before release
08:33
<sbalneav>
I think all we have to do now is test the snot out of things, and just patch up whatever minor bugs are left lurking around.
08:33
<ogra>
right
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<sbalneav>
\o/ for us
08:34
<ogra>
and there is another "fix it friday" ahead before beta release :)
08:34
i hope i can get laser to take care of squeak ... the debian team ofered their package to us
08:35
package is fine, but it sadly has no xdg menu integration (no .desktop file) that needs fixage
08:36
<thermoman>
ogra: my lagginess problems here might be related to a problem i mentioned here: http://www.adminblogger.de/blog/2007/01/05/ich-braeuchte-mal-eure-hilfe-slow-scrolling-in-firefox/
08:36
ogra: could you test the website mentioned there and tell me if scrolling works for you?
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<ogra>
works fine on a non client here ... i cant test a TC atm
08:38
<thermoman>
mhh
08:38
<ogra>
but note that my versions of everything are likely more recent than yours
08:39
(firefox 2.0.0.6, xorg 7.2, kernel 2.6.22)
08:40
<cyberorg>
thermoman, via chipset using vesa module = firefox scroll suck
08:41
<ogra>
cyberorg, he said he's sure that the via driver is used
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<ogra>
but vesa and flash generally suck, yes
08:42
<cyberorg>
ogra, even on non client using via, firefox scroll is terrible here
08:42
<ogra>
probably your driver isnt using accelleration (r not the right acceleration) the via driver situation is a scattered mess
08:43
<sbalneav>
oin$ bzr merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp
08:43
M debian/ltsp-client-builder.postinst
08:43
All changes applied successfully.
08:43
ogra: Did you not commit your work on ltsp-update-image?
08:43
<ogra>
i have some systems that only work with openchrome, some that only work with unichrome and some that fall back to vesa
08:43
sbalneav, hmm ?
08:44
commit 422
08:44
<sbalneav>
All I'm seeing updated is the mkfifo to mknod $FIFO p call
08:44
Did I already merge that???
08:45
<ogra>
argj
08:45
s/j/h
08:45* ogra curses
08:45* ogra bzr pushes
08:45
<sbalneav>
ogra forgot to puuuush ogra forgot to puuuuush nyanyanya :)
08:46* ogra makes tatoo on forehead
08:46* ogra remembers that he has to look in the mirror all the time now to remember ...
08:46
<ogra>
damned
08:46
<sbalneav>
Hey, easy fix :)
08:46
<ogra>
http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/changes
08:46
there we go
08:46
<sbalneav>
if that's the WORST mistake you make, you're golden :)
08:47
<ogra>
well, except the fact that i always have to fix the conflicts :(
08:47
because people dont have my recent version
08:48
i'll make a 3mx3m postit for my screen or so
08:48
<sbalneav>
There we go. Changes to changelog, -up-image, and default lts.conf?
08:48
<ogra>
yeah
08:48
<sbalneav>
perfect
08:49
<ogra>
lts.conf is actually gone :) only a note in there now
08:49
<sbalneav>
Hmm, we should go through lts-parameters.txt, make sure everythings up to date in there.
08:49
I can do that.
08:49
<ogra>
yep
08:50
<sbalneav>
I'll do it tonight.
08:50
<ogra>
there was a bunch new stuff
08:50
<schaberalexander>
thanks ogra cyberorg Blinny for your help .. I guess for now we'll stick with ltsp 4 until opensuse get's just a little further with kiwi-ltsp and until I've got a little more time ^^
08:50
<sbalneav>
yeah
08:50
<ogra>
it should somehow go into a more obvious location though
08:50
<schaberalexander>
hehe right now 52 clients are sticking at our ltsp server .. all running kde.. :)
08:50
<ogra>
schaberalexander, get developers intrested in kiwi-ltsp :)
08:51
<Blinny>
schaberalexander: No worries.
08:51
<schaberalexander>
ogra: as soon as I find the time .. I'll digg in myself :)
08:51
<cyberorg>
schaberalexander, cool, test it out, it pretty much does everything now :)
08:51
<schaberalexander>
I love this server .. load average: 0.14, 0.32, 0.44 :D with 52 clients! ..
08:51
<ogra>
schaberalexander, cool feel free to contact anyone of https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ to get ode merged upstream :)
08:52
*code
08:52
<Blinny>
Yeargh. I still have one client that frequently gives an xserver crash, back to unresponsive console.
08:52
<schaberalexander>
alright ..
08:52
<thermoman>
schaberalexander: what does this box do with 52 clients?
08:52
<Blinny>
I've let memtest run over the weekend w/ no errors. I have XRAMPERC set w/ 128M of NBD swap. What else can I do to track this down?
08:52
<thermoman>
schaberalexander: or what do the users do? idle? :)
08:52
<schaberalexander>
thermoman: it's just another ltsp server .. but IMHO 52 kde sessions is alot for a server :D
08:53
<thermoman>
schaberalexander: that's really nice ... what hardware is in there?
08:53
<ogra>
Blinny, i start to suspect its not a ram issue ... what kind of graphics cards are that and what driver is used
08:53
<Blinny>
i810 using i810
08:54
<schaberalexander>
2x quadcore intel xeon 2.0 ghz with 16 gb ram. gbit lan (soon be bonding to 2gbit)
08:54
<ogra>
was that 4.2 or 5 ?
08:54
<Blinny>
ogra: 4.2
08:54
<ogra>
ah ...
08:54
hmm
08:54
<Blinny>
schaberalexander: Nice box.
08:54
<schaberalexander>
Blinny: it is indeed a nice box D:
08:54
:D
08:55
right now the lan is the only bottleneck ..
08:55
<Blinny>
ogra: Is there a way to interrupt that xserver crash so I can inspect Xorg.0.log? Or still have a responsive console?
08:55
<ogra>
schaberalexander, imagine you would have to maintain 52 workstation installs :)
08:55
<schaberalexander>
ogra: well we do have to maintain 40 workstation installs
08:55
<thermoman>
schaberalexander: i have dual-xeon 3GHz with 8GB ram and ~30 users and load is constantly between 1 and 4
08:55
<joebob777as7>
ogra no not using vmware
08:55
<schaberalexander>
but that's windows and not my business ;)
08:56
thermoman: that's still not bad
08:56
<ogra>
schaberalexander, right :)
08:56
<thermoman>
schaberalexander: for me it's bad because my coworkers are complaining about lagginess
08:56
<ogra>
Blinny, on ltsp5 i'd have said install netcat or something like that in the chroot and just forward the output to the server with it
08:56
<schaberalexander>
ogra: but I just got those windows + ghost ppl over to partimage .. so another few 1000 € savings :D
08:56
<ogra>
with 4.2 thats tricky
08:56
<thermoman>
schaberalexander: e.g. switching tabs in firefox costs appr. 0.5 seconds
08:57
<schaberalexander>
thermoman: right now all flows instantly .. got to have a stress test though where we invite 40 ppl to test :)
08:57
right now the network is being hammered by the screen savers .. but that's about it
08:57
<thermoman>
schaberalexander: what clients are you running
08:58
schaberalexander: enforce blank screensavers :)
08:58
<ogra>
schaberalexander, ouch, you instal screensavers on thin client sessions ?
08:58
<schaberalexander>
thermoman: 12 igel thin clients + 20 1.7 ghz p4 + 20 2.0 ghz amd athlon64
08:58
<ogra>
ltsp5 doesnt allow more than blank screens at all :)
08:58
<schaberalexander>
ogra: I didnt install them it's right now just a default opensuse 10.2 install
08:58
<Blinny>
ogra: Any other suggestions? Unfortunately this happens to be the guy who holds the purse strings for this little LTSP rollout.
08:58
<schaberalexander>
and for me it's fine, cause it hammers the network more than anything else :D
08:59
<ogra>
Blinny, try ltsp5 ?
08:59
<schaberalexander>
ok, so now I g2g see you later, and thanks again:)
08:59
<ogra>
Blinny, i think its very more likely that you have a driver prob here than a ram prob
08:59
<thermoman>
schaberalexander: why so bloat thinclients?
08:59
schaberalexander: shouldn't they be "thin" ala <1GHz? :)
08:59
<schaberalexander>
thermoman: those are normal windows workstations as well ..
09:00
<joebob777as7>
just installed edubuntu gutsy and it takes forever to get to the welcome screen then forever more to get past the verifying password and then never gets to desktop...
09:00
<schaberalexander>
ogra: does *buntu also support hybrid clients as well (remote filesystem, local computing)
09:00
?
09:00
<ogra>
not out of the box yet
09:01
you can indeed easily install an ldap client in the client chroot and set itup manually
09:01
<schaberalexander>
thermoman: I'm in a school and those 40 clients are classrooms where normally ppl use windows
09:01
<thermoman>
i understand
09:01
<schaberalexander>
ogra: sounds good cause we do use ldap
09:01
<ogra>
you can even install a full desktop and boot diskless into it with ltsp5
09:01
<thermoman>
i have performance problems here
09:01
<Blinny>
ogra: Maybe I'll try a different video card/xserver.
09:01
<ogra>
Blinny, good move for a start, see if it happens there
09:01
<schaberalexander>
ogra: that sounds really nice.. I'll be back later or tomorrow .. I'll try to catch you then again
09:02
<ogra>
schaberalexander, i'm always around :)
09:02
<schaberalexander>
bye
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<ogra>
#ltsp, #edubuntu and #ubuntu-devel are my office :)
09:02
<Blinny>
ogra: Thanks.
09:03
<ogra>
joebob777as7, can you check if CONFIGURE_X is set in your lts.conf file ?
09:03
remove that line (thats what i just did in the default file in gutsy anyway)
09:03
<joebob777as7>
ogra, would that account for the slowdown?
09:03
<ogra>
thats possible, yes
09:04
did you make any tweaks the the default install yet ?
09:05
if CONFIGURE_X is set to false the client will fall back to Xorg without config file, depending on the HW that could cause slowdowns
09:05
(if X doesnt find the PCI id or so for example)
09:05
<joebob777as7>
ogra, just the dhcpd.conf and network/interfaces as far as I know. I upgraded from feisty to gutsy last night. It was working fine before i removed the i386 dir and rebuilt clients
09:06
<ogra>
hmm
09:06
i havent done any upgrade testing yet ... i wonder if anything clashes with nbd/nfs
09:06
<joebob777as7>
ogra so just remove configure_x=false?
09:06
<ogra>
(on the server side)
09:06
remove everything
09:07
you can even just delete the file
09:07
<joebob777as7>
oh ok i'll try that
09:07
<ogra>
sound is set to true automatically nowadays if pulse is installed (the default) ... same goes for ltspfs
09:07
so the options there are moot anyway :)
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<jammcq>
g'morning folks
09:08
<cliebow_>
`jammcq!!!!!!!!
09:08
<ogra>
can you check that the image was built ? it should lie in /opt/ltsp/images
09:08
and also that inetd.conf has the entry for nbdrootd
09:09
if you delete the file or change it, run sudo ltsp-update-image afterwards ...
09:09
else it wont be in the image
09:10
<joebob777as7>
yes there is an img
09:11
<ogra>
ok
09:11
if your client runs, do you see nbdrootd in the processlist ?
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<ogra>
(on the server indeed)
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<Mrchicken>
hello
09:12
I was wondering... can I use ldap authentication for ltsp?
09:12
<ogra>
sure
09:13
<joebob777as7>
ogra, in the inetd.conf i have a line that says 2000 straeam tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
09:13
<Mrchicken>
and should the ldap server be running on the ltsp server?
09:13
<ogra>
good
09:13
Mrchicken, the ltsp server should be able to connect to it ... doesnt mater where it runs
09:13
*matter
09:13* Mrchicken is trying to setup ldap for squid, so I thought it would be nice to have it for ltsp as well :)
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<ogra>
joebob777as7, so if the client runs, do you see nbdrootd if you do: ps ax|grep nbd ?
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<joebob777as7>
i got into the welcome screen about 8 minutes ago then as soon as i did i punched in user and pass and it verified for about 3 mins now it's sitting at a black screen with a cursor
09:17* ogra just wants to be sure its not using nfs due to any upgrade glitches
09:18
<joebob777as7>
ogra, i can switch to terminal ctrl alt 2 and back to gui but on terminal i'm just getting blinking underscore and in gui still blank screen with mouse...
09:18
<ogra>
do you see nbdrootd if you do: ps ax|grep nbd on the server ?
09:19
<Ryudo>
sbalneav :D
09:19
<sbalneav>
Hello
09:19
<Ryudo>
how are you ?
09:19
:D
09:19
did you find the slides shows ?
09:20
<joebob777as7>
ogra, yes /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
09:20
<ogra>
ok
09:20
so its using nbd, thats good
09:21
<joebob777as7>
i'm getting: "tftp: client does not accept options" on one of my clients but this is not a client that i have confirmed it working before but should be well capable it's a fujitsu p1610
09:21
<ogra>
thats fine
09:21
thats an info message from the tftp server, nothing to worry about (the client we use does actually not accept options :) )
09:22
<joebob777as7>
this client is still same place... i don't think it's getting anywhere....
09:22
lol well good i'm glad i'm not the only one ;)
09:22
<ogra>
well
09:23
forst of all create a new lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
09:23
<joebob777as7>
blank?
09:23
<Ryudo>
sbalneav ?
09:23
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "lts.conf for joebob777as7" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/317
09:24
<ogra>
only these two lines
09:24
then reboot the client
09:24
after boot you should have a shell on console 2
09:24
then lets go debugging :)
09:24
<sbalneav>
Ryudo: I think I found them, I didn't manage to grab them before I caught the bus today, as my box was down. There an email address where I can send them to you tonight?
09:25
<Ryudo>
yes send to giorgiolago@hotmail.com
09:26
<ogra>
sbalneav, you have slideshows you saend around ?
09:26
*send
09:26
<sbalneav>
I did a talk for FISL in April, yeah, I've got a slideshow on localdevs.
09:27
<ogra>
cool
09:27
we should see that we coordinate our slides :)
09:27* ogra has his slides from ubuntulive ...
09:27
<sbalneav>
I'll send them to you too
09:28
<joebob777as7>
ogra, in portland?
09:28
<ogra>
we should probably sit down at the conference for an hour with everyone who has slides :)
09:28
joebob777as7, yup
09:28
<sbalneav>
come up with one big slideshow :)
09:28
<joebob777as7>
nice i live near there but couldn't go
09:28
<ogra>
sbalneav, well, with a general template we can give to users :)
09:29
joebob777as7, sad ... but its a beautiful area around there, i really liked it
09:29
we'll be ther next year same time i guess :)
09:29
<joebob777as7>
how was it?
09:29
<ogra>
great
09:29
<joebob777as7>
why portland?
09:29
what's so great about it to have ubuntu live?
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<ogra>
the workshops on the last day werent really full though ... was rather a business thingie
09:30
portland because o'riley asked us to team up with them for oscon
09:31
ubuntulive is rather a business event for sysadmins and CTOs :)
09:31
<joebob777as7>
oic
09:31
<ogra>
these so called "decision makers" that want to know more :)
09:31
<joebob777as7>
I actually live in eugene and I hear mark and some people were down here having lunch... I can't believe I didn't know about it!
09:32
<ogra>
yeah, you could have met us in this big irish pub :)
09:32
<joebob777as7>
it's been sitting [ 23.988000] eth0: no IPv6 routers present for long dang time over 5 mins...
09:32
next year
09:33
<ogra>
there is something woky going on ... we'll find it :)
09:33
<joebob777as7>
k
09:33
<ogra>
ah, crap
09:33
i should have told you to drop quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
09:33
can you do that ?
09:33
<joebob777as7>
lol yeah
09:33
<ogra>
then you will see the boot messages
09:34
so we dont miss kernel breakage or some such
09:34
what HW are these clients ?
09:35
<joebob777as7>
and reboot client?
09:35
http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X60_Tablet
09:35
confirmed working on feisty
09:35
<ogra>
did you file bug #139059 ?
09:36
<joebob777as7>
yup
09:36
<ogra>
ah :)
09:36
<joebob777as7>
lol last night midnight
09:36
<ogra>
yeah, saw it this moring
09:36
hmm that thing has a ton of builtin stuff
09:37
<joebob777as7>
i have a t30 here should i try that?
09:37
<ogra>
oh, and it has a supported wln card build in ...
09:37
*wlan
09:37
<joebob777as7>
it just got to the same part. i saw something red whiz by but couldn't read it
09:37
yea it does
09:37
<ogra>
yeah, try the T30
09:38
and see if it behaves any different
09:38
<joebob777as7>
should i disable wlan and retry
09:38
<ogra>
no, try the t30 first
09:38
<joebob777as7>
ok do you want me to leave lts.conf ?
09:38
<ogra>
so we can see if its HW specific
09:38
yep
09:38
<joebob777as7>
remove it?
09:38
<ogra>
just be aware that with SCREEN_02 theer wont be X :)
09:38
no, leave it there
09:38
<joebob777as7>
ok
09:38
<ogra>
its fine for debugging ytm
09:38
*atm
09:40
<joebob777as7>
modlule.c faied to load module "module-detect" (argument: ""): initialization failed.
09:40
E: main.c: Module load failed
09:40
<ogra>
thats ok
09:40
<joebob777as7>
main.c: failed to initialize daemon.
09:41* ogra makes a note to remove module-detect from pluseaudio
09:41
<ogra>
thats only ulse
09:41
<joebob777as7>
and stops at eth0: no IPv6 routers present
09:41
<ogra>
*pulse
09:41
no login on tty2 ?
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09:41
<joebob777as7>
oh i see it
09:41
hmm maybe it was there on my x60 didn't look
09:41
<ogra>
thast the t30 now ?
09:42
<joebob777as7>
yes
09:42
<ogra>
did it boot in a speed you would expect ?
09:42
<joebob777as7>
i'm at in terminal
09:42
yes it did
09:42
<ogra>
ok
09:42
so its specific to the x60
09:42
<joebob777as7>
well it booted to that point pretty quick too. hold on i'm going to see if i have terminal on it
09:43
<ogra>
yeah
09:43
<joebob777as7>
yeah i'm there
09:44
<ogra>
same speed ?
09:44
<joebob777as7>
faster
09:44
<ogra>
ok
09:44
so its not the HW ... likely X then
09:44
add a line with SCREEN_07=ldm below the other SCREEN entry in your lts.conf now
09:44
and reboot
09:44
<joebob777as7>
updates just popped up on my server ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone from 5.0.27 to 5.0.28 should i do that? they weren't there last night...
09:45
<ogra>
(the x60)
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09:45
<ogra>
i know, i uploaded them this morning :)
09:45
it shouldnt have anything that helps here ... so keep the version you have for now
09:45
<joebob777as7>
ok
09:45
<ogra>
.27 should work fine as well
09:46
i guess its a glitch with the intel X driver
09:46
<joebob777as7>
stuck blinking underscore on screen 7
09:47
can see terminal on 2
09:47
<ogra>
look at the end of /var/log/Xorg.6.log
09:47
there should be some indicator
09:49
<joebob777as7>
there is no Xorg.6.log there is an Xorg.1.log and it says xorg detected your mouse blah blah your xorg.conf file is /tmp/xorg.conf.new to test the server, run 'X -config /tmp/xorg.conf.new
09:49
what did you change in thin-client-manager? just fixes?
09:49
nice it just booted me into welcome screen... do you want me to try to log in?
09:49
<ogra>
i made it work at all with gutsys ltsp version :)
09:50
did it boot in a reasonable speed ?
09:50
<joebob777as7>
lol no
09:50
<ogra>
now that the login screen is there, you still dont have Xorg.6.log ?
09:51
<joebob777as7>
lol NO i was sitting in console on 2 and looked at the xorg log and typed that response. then waited and finally it popped up
09:51
i'll check
09:51
oh it is now
09:51
<ogra>
yeah
09:51
seems the X detection is just slow
09:51
not much i can do about it from my side ... but you can :)
09:53
<joebob777as7>
there are 10 ofe these with different numbers(II) I810(0): xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 8 then (WW)I810(0): Successfully set original devices (2)
09:53
<ogra>
ok
09:54
<joebob777as7>
If i go to log in at welcome screen it just takes me to a black screen with a cursor and it takes about 3 mins to get past "verifying password, please wait..."
09:54
<ogra>
scp -o ControlPath=/var/run/ldm_socket /etc/X11/xorg.conf server:/tmp/xorg.conf-x60
09:54
run that on the client
09:54
that will copy the current xorg.conf into the servers /tmp
09:55
<joebob777as7>
crap! i've got to go
09:55
<ogra>
then: sudo cp /tmp/xorg.conf-x60 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
09:55
<joebob777as7>
i'll be back in a couple hours
09:55
<ogra>
sudo ltsp-update-image
09:56
<joebob777as7>
i'll try when i get back
09:56
thx i'll ttyl
09:56
<ogra>
then add XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/xorg.conf-x60 to your lts.conf
09:56
that will make it skip the X detection completely and make it use this file
09:57
<joebob777as7>
i'm waiting on the x30 as well it takes just as long to start... fyi. ttyl
09:59
<ogra>
the slowest i see here is 120 secs on a 200Mhz client with 48M ram
10:00
comon average is under a minute
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11:26
<Ryudo>
sbalneav thank you very much !:D
11:28
sbalneav the email not received :( try send me again plz , giorgiolago@hotmail.com
11:28
<sbalneav>
I haven't sent it yet
11:28
I'm still at work. Will be for another several hours. I'll send it tonight.
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<ogra>
hey hey, the vagrant
11:52
<vagrantc>
greetings
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12:44
<lns>
Maybe I'm missing something simple - can someone explain to me why, by default, /etc/inetd.conf has a double line of "/usr/sbin/in.tftpd" before its switch '-s /var/lib/tftpboot' ? (Ubuntu Feisty)
12:44
<sbalneav>
Shouldn't
12:44
If they're identical, remove one.
12:45
<lns>
I.E. "tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
12:45
strange thing is, it works....
12:46
<ogra>
it uses update-inetd ... which will refuse to add it twice ... so your second entry must come from some other package
12:46
<lns>
ogra, weird... it's a default Ubuntu 64-bit server (Feisty) install w/LTSP packages...
12:47
<ogra>
do you mean that complete line is in there twice ?
12:47
<lns>
I'll take it out, though. I did on another server after experiencing 'TFTP: File not found" errors, but on another (new) server install, it works out of the box
12:47
<ogra>
or did you mean the in.tftpd
12:47
<vagrantc>
it's not two entries, lns is talking about a single entry with the /usr/sbin/in.tftpd listed twice
12:47
<lns>
ogra, in.tftpd
12:47
<ogra>
yeah, now i get it
12:47
thats fine, leave it as it is
12:48
<vagrantc>
no idea why, but that's how it is.
12:48
<lns>
ogra, ok, can you explain to me why this is?
12:48
<ogra>
the first call is the wrapper
12:48
<lns>
oh
12:48
like tcpd
12:48
<ogra>
the second is the actual binary of the daemon
12:48
<lns>
but...the same thing ;)
12:48
<ogra>
they are identical in case of in.ftfpd
12:48
*tftpd
12:48
<lns>
ok, awesome...thanks =)
12:49
the weird thing is, I was trying to get VNC/GDM working, and the howto called for xinetd..i installed that (ugh) and it screwed up inetd (duh, should have thought of that) - but when I reverted back to inetd, it wouldn't work with the wrapper entry - i took out the second 'in.tftpd' and it worked.
12:50
but 'ps auxw' shows a process of simply '-s /var/lib/tftpboot' (without in.tftpd)..maybe that's normal, but weird.
12:51
<thermoman>
ogra: bought linux magazine :)
12:51
<ogra>
:)
12:51
good move
12:52
<thermoman>
i really think it has something to do with the graphics card/kernel module /xorg module on the clients here at work causing this laggyness....
12:53
will install ltsp tomorrow to see if it's better then
12:53
<ogra>
yeah, try it
12:53
<thermoman>
what's the prefered distro?
12:53
suse or ubuntu?
12:53
<ogra>
ubuntu or debian
12:53
<thermoman>
or any other
12:53
<vagrantc>
!bestdistro
12:53
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "bestdistro" is not a valid command.
12:53
<ogra>
heh
12:53
<vagrantc>
!bestltspdistro
12:53
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
12:53
<ogra>
!besteditor
12:53
<thermoman>
i mean for ltsp
12:53
<ltspbot>
ogra: Error: "besteditor" is not a valid command.
12:53
<ogra>
bah, not there either
12:54
<thermoman>
ogra: do you use thinclients from igel?
12:54
<ogra>
nope
12:54
<thermoman>
we use some from rangee.com
12:54
it's all via based
12:54
and i know via suxx big ass
12:54
<vagrantc>
ogra's probably biased towards ubuntu, i'm biased towards debian, both of which have been ltsp5 longest ... suse just started getting some ltsp5 stuff together...
12:54
<thermoman>
ok, then ubuntu
12:55
<ogra>
i have some compaqs, all models from disklessworkstations.com, some rangeee, one fujitsu siemens and two thin can clients
12:55
<thermoman>
what video chips do they use?
12:55
<ogra>
vagrantc, we really need to help cyberorg to get his stuff properly into the tree (like proper split of server/client side etc)
12:56
thermoman, various ... via, sis, amd ...
12:56
i think there is also one with a trident somewhere in my storage
12:57
<thermoman>
ogra: do you know differences in graphics performance between openchrome and unichrome modules for cle266?
12:58
<ogra>
well, openchrome is the only one i can get XVideo to work with on the CLE266
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12:58
<ogra>
its definately the best i have found for that chipset
12:59
<thermoman>
mhh ... i'm using mplayer with xv i think on the current setup ... works
12:59
it's hell of network traffic, but works :)
13:00
<ogra>
indeed
13:00
dont use it on more than one or two clients :)
13:00
but its very convenient to have a thin client attached to your TV and store the movies in the basement ;)
13:01
<thermoman>
i tried ltsp in the 4.x days and stole the initrd/nfs/pivot_root thingie and setup my own terminalserver/tc-environment ... seems it's time to reevaluate :)
13:01
<vagrantc>
ogra: it seems like all they do is use kiwi for everything ...
13:01
<ogra>
vagrantc, right
13:02
but you can split the kiwi script onto server and client scripts i guess :)
13:02
so we can properly integrate it upstream
13:02
<vagrantc>
seems like dropping what they have into a plugin would probably suffice
13:02
<lns>
Do you guys think that disklessworkstations.com has the best ongoing compatibility w/LTSP?
13:03
<ogra>
vagrantc, exactly
13:03
lns, well, yes
13:03
<Ryudo>
ok sbalneav i'm wait :D
13:03
<vagrantc>
lns: well, the founder of LTSP runs disklessworkstations.com ...
13:03
<ogra>
lns, disklessworkstations.com pays the developer summits :)
13:03
<lns>
=) cool. I'd love to support ltsp in that way then.
13:03
<ogra>
every client you buy there will support ltsp
13:04
<jcastro>
lns: I buy from disklessworkstations, they're pretty awesome
13:05
<ogra>
jcastro, hey, when do you show up in the *important* channels ? i thought you started already :)
13:05
<cyberorg>
hi vagrantc
13:05
<jcastro>
ogra: monday!
13:05
<ogra>
ah :)
13:05
<lns>
jcastro, I like the style they have too, especially for the LTSP Term 1220 PXE
13:05* ogra pats the T170 ...
13:05
<lns>
just a bit expensive compared to some others..but still definitely competitive.
13:06
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: greetings, how goes?
13:06
<jcastro>
lns: yeah I need to get those, I have a bunch of 150's.
13:06
<ogra>
dont say anything against the 150 :)
13:06
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, we set up svn repo today, got most of the things working
13:06
<jcastro>
they work fine.
13:06* vagrantc doesn't even know which thin-client vagrantc has
13:06
<ogra>
they have one of the best soundcards i have found in TCs
13:07
vagrantc, disklessworkstations has pictures ;)
13:07* cyberorg uses laptop to test client
13:07
<ogra>
(you have to use a browser that can dislay them though)
13:07
:)
13:07
<lns>
The 1000 PXEs look awesome...just wish they were sound compatible w/ubuntu :(
13:07
<ogra>
they are really not that great
13:08
<jcastro>
the 1220's need that chrome driver right?
13:08* ogra ist a fan of the e1000
13:08
<ogra>
*isnt
13:08
<vagrantc>
ah, it must be the 1220 PXE
13:08
<ogra>
jcastro, openchrome, yes
13:08
theer is a backport in the works for feisty i heard
13:08
<lns>
woo! nice
13:08
<ogra>
(its properly packaged in gutsy)
13:09
<lns>
Sounds like Gutsy is going to be a big relief to the LTSP world..
13:09
ogra, can you tell me how development is going w/thin-client-manager?
13:09
<ogra>
it will solve stuff and bring new probs ...
13:09
thats the way software goes :)
13:09
<lns>
well yeah =)
13:10
<ogra>
lns, its fixed, works like in feisty ...
13:10* ogra did that yesterday
13:10
<lns>
!!
13:10
=)
13:10
<ltspbot>
lns: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
13:10
<jcastro>
ogra: man, I am going to miss the tail end of my ltsp deployment. Just got 3 more servers.
13:10
<ogra>
i thought you still have access ?
13:11
<lns>
i'm gonna need to check that out..my teachers' mouths have been watering for some of the features in t-c-m
13:11
<jcastro>
I'll be around, it'll just be someone else's baby.
13:13
<ogra>
lns, for the client side you will still need https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients (likely with soe more options to the x11vnc call to add compression and smaller imagesize if you have many clients)
13:14
<lns>
ogra, ok, good info..thanks. Yeah, the labs are ~30-35 clients each
13:14
<cliebow_>
lns:you can try my downwardly mobile Teachertool if you like...
13:15
<sbalneav>
jcastro: Congrats! btw
13:15
<cliebow_>
err.crappola..i have to check it in gutsy and woint be in again til Monday..
13:16
<lns>
mobile teachertool... ok =) thx
13:16
<jcastro>
sbalneav: thanks!
13:16
<lns>
I'm on Feisty still
13:16* jammcq can't wait till jcastro can get us great discounts on ubuntu software :)
13:17
<ogra>
lol
13:18
<cliebow_>
no downwardly mobile..
13:18
jcastro:canonical hire you??
13:21
<jcastro>
cliebow_: yeah I start on monday
13:21
<lns>
jcastro, congrats!
13:21
<jcastro>
cliebow_: ogra got me drunk and convinced me to try it. So I was like "why not?"
13:21
<cliebow_>
very cool!!!when you need to hire a potwasher..look me up
13:21
<lns>
i love seeing oss companies hiring ppl =)
13:21
<cliebow_>
ogra will take good care of you i'm sure 8~)
13:22
<jcastro>
cliebow_: he needs a smoking buddy. :D
13:22
<ogra>
yeah !
13:22
<cliebow_>
i know..and i gave it up 8~(
13:22* ogra totally forgot that ... the smokers team has grown, yay
13:22
<jammcq>
ugh
13:23
<cliebow_>
jcastro:they give you a job description?
13:23
<lns>
watch jcastro break out the bong on his first day =p
13:23
<jcastro>
cliebow_: yeah I'm doing that external developer relations job
13:23
<ogra>
jammcq, dont say ugh ... smoking ia a lonesome job nowadays
13:23
<cliebow_>
70 days 14 hours 21 minutes 30 seconds
13:24
i never bum em..but ive been known to sit "real" close to a smoker
13:25
that is great...jammcq has spoken often of you..nicely
13:25
<Blinny>
When one wants to get rid of an unsupportable pressure, one needs hashish. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
13:26
<monteslu>
ogra, have you seen any other reports (besides mine and David Trask's) of mass session drops in feisty?
13:26
<ogra>
monteslu, not yet, no
13:26
<cliebow_>
lns:wiki.ltsp.org has links and stuff for Teach2 if you want to look into it..
13:26
<ogra>
monteslu, are you using ldap as well ?
13:27
i wonder if its an ldap breakdown or something like that
13:27
<monteslu>
ogra, yeah I'm also using smbldap
13:27
could be
13:27
<cliebow_>
monteslu, you mewan a working session just craps out?
13:27
<monteslu>
unfortunately I'm never in there when they have a lab full
13:28
cliebow, yeah like 20 or 30 sessions simultaneously
13:28
david trask just posted the same thing on the edubuntu list
13:28
<cliebow_>
wierd. how could that be related to smbldap i wonder?
13:28
<monteslu>
no idea
13:29
just similiarity between mine and Matt Oquist's setups
13:29
not David Trask, I got those two confused :)
13:29
<ogra>
cliebow, well, if your auth mechanism is gone and any app tries to look up your uid ...
13:30
<cliebow_>
yeah..i supposew.
13:30
<ogra>
cliebow, if you then have samba mounted homes and any gnome app wants to write to .gconf or so ...
13:30
and samba cant find out if you're allowed to write ...
13:30
no idea, really i'm just guessing ...
13:31
<monteslu>
actually the homes are NFS
13:31
<ogra>
but it seems like a central point of failure
13:31
<monteslu>
samba is just for the windows clients
13:31
<joebob777as7>
hey ogra i'm back
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<cliebow_>
monteslu, you have logging setup for ldap?perhaps that would show something
13:33
<monteslu>
I'll try that. unfortunately I won't be in the lab this week. I really gotta setup something similar in vmware
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<cliebow_>
add a line to syslog like local4.debug /var/log/ldap?
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13:34
<monteslu>
cool. will do
13:43
<joebob777as7>
ogra, I went to follow your previous directions but the first scp command you gave is taking long time.... been minutes. shouldn't it be instant?
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13:45
<joebob777as7>
lol i might need to install ssh? rofl
13:45
oh nm... hmm it is already installed
13:47
anyway not working... also wondering what the two new lines in dhcpd.conf are for the "next-server" and the "get-lease-hostnames"
13:47
?
13:49
<sbalneav>
Next server's there incase your tftp server's different from your dhcpd server
13:49
get-lease-hostnames is if you're trying to have individial hostnames assigned to terminals.
13:49
<joebob777as7>
oh ok cool
13:49
<sbalneav>
Both of them should be commented out.
13:49
<joebob777as7>
they are
13:50
did ogra go to lunch?
13:51
<sbalneav>
I think he's taking a break.
13:59
<joebob777as7>
he must of known i was coming to ask for help ;) he knows i'm trouble
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<ogra>
joebaker, 21:33 here ... even though i use to eat late lunch time is over
14:52
err
14:52
joebob777as7, ^^^
14:52
<joebob777as7>
hey!
14:52
<ogra>
i have a meeting in 10 min
14:52
<joebob777as7>
sad
14:53
<ogra>
you need to be logged in for the socket to exists
14:53
<joebob777as7>
well i'll be here the rest of the day
14:53
ok
14:53
<ogra>
just drop the socket part and use a normal scp command
14:53
<joebob777as7>
scp times out...
14:53
<ogra>
ping server
14:53
<joebob777as7>
let me look again
14:54
<ogra>
does that return proper replies ?
14:54
<joebob777as7>
192.168.0.254... but my server ip is 192.168.0.2
14:54
<ogra>
aha
14:54
there you got your speed prob i guess
14:55
<joebob777as7>
really? where is it getting that from?
14:55
<ogra>
well, usually from dhcp
14:55
did you change anything in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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<joebob777as7>
yes everything. http://pastebin.ca/694433
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<dniel>
hello!
14:57
Blinny: hi
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<ogra>
can you pastebin the output of ifconfig -a as well ?
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<joebob777as7>
http://pastebin.ca/694435
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<Gadi>
ogra: is it correct to say that with pulse set as a virtual alsa device that a program need only have alsa support and not necessarily esd/pulse support to function properly?
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<joebob777as7>
why doesn't ctrl+c stop the ping on my client?
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<ogra>
Gadi, exactly
14:58
<joebob777as7>
what's that mean Gadi ?
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<Gadi>
excellent - I have someone asking for real player - and it took me a sec but then thought, yeah it might just work on ltsp5
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<ogra>
Gadi, even though we set PULSE_SERVER and ESPEAKER as well, so both *can* work natively
14:59
<Gadi>
;)
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<ogra>
the newer ones should, afaik they use alsa
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<Blinny>
Hmm. I wonder, if I grab Alan Hourihane's i810 driver from http://www.fairlite.demon.co.uk/intel.html and drop it into my /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ directory will it work. Ahh what the hell I'll give it a try.
14:59
<ogra>
old relaplayers used libesd directly iirc ... they wont
15:00
Blinny, make a backup !
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<Blinny>
ogra: Of course!
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<ogra>
:)
15:00
<Blinny>
Now I need an unsuspecting guinea pig.
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<Gadi>
excellent. have a good weekend, folks
15:00
<Blinny>
(I had a second i810 xserver crash on a 2nd machine this afternoon)
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*wave Gadi*
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<joebob777as7>
where else should i look ogra ?
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<ogra>
joebob777as7, well, on the thin client the hostname "server" should actually point to 10.0.0.1
15:03
its a bit weird that it points to 192.168.0.254 since thats the fallback ip if the servers IP cant be determined
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sorry, i have to hold a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now ...
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<joebob777as7>
ok i'll be here when you get back
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<ogra>
i wont stay around long afterwards though ... i'm working sincwe 12h already ...
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<joebob777as7>
ok...
15:05
sbalneav, think you can help me find this issue?
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<sbalneav>
What issue is this?
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<joebob777as7>
my clients think that the server ip is 192.168.0.254
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<sbalneav>
what's your lts.conf file look like?
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<dniel>
ogra: hello, can you help me?
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<sbalneav>
He's in a meeting
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What do you need?
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<joebob777as7>
[default]
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screen_02=shell
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screen_07=ldm
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here is my dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.ca/694433
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ifconfig -a http://pastebin.ca/694435
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<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: that's wrong right off the bat.
15:09
names gotta be in caps
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SCREEN_02
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<joebob777as7>
yeah they are...
15:09
sorry
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<sbalneav>
ok, tell ya what, why don't you paste it, so I can see what you've got?
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<sbalneav>
Second, if you've changed the server ip, you need a SERVER line
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<joebob777as7>
http://pastebin.ca/694455
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<sbalneav>
which interface is serving the thin clients?
15:11
192.168.0.2, or 10.0.0.1
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<Blinny>
Module ABI version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1). Damn.
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<joebob777as7>
10.0.0.1
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<sbalneav>
ok, so add a line to your default like SERVER=10.0.0.1
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<joebob777as7>
done
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<sbalneav>
Try that, should work.
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<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, wow too easy! works perfect!
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<sbalneav>
Ta dah
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<joebob777as7>
one question sbalneav what do i need to do to enable compiz?
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<sbalneav>
What, in a terminal?
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or on the console?
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<joebob777as7>
well i went in to appearance and desktop effects and tried to choose normal or extra effects and it didn't work... it did however in feisty
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<sbalneav>
Like I say, on a terminal you're trying to do this? Because we disable compiz on terminals.
15:19
You can't pick it.
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<joebob777as7>
oh why is that?
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yes on a terminal
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<sbalneav>
It's a huge network hog, and causes all kinds of stability problems on thin clients.
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<joebob777as7>
crap
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<sbalneav>
basically, compiz isn't really tested or designed to work on anything but the console.
15:21
And besides, you REALLY don't want 35 people yanking that cube around. You'd kill your server.
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<joebob777as7>
that sucks... hmm.... so i guess i'll have to go away from ltsp and xdmcp? does it work with that?
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lol well i do want 5 people doing it
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that's how many thins i'm running
15:22
is there a way to to all of that local?
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, put in 5 workstations.
15:23
What's so great about compiz? It does NOTHING
15:23
Doesn't help you to do your work at all, IMHO
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<joebob777as7>
well i have 5 workstations i just wanted to run them without hard drives.
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<sbalneav>
This gutsy or feisty you're playing with?
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<joebob777as7>
well for my computer users that are pretty ignorant it gives them a 3d look at their desktop to help them better visualize where their documents are on the desktops. I have found in training them it is much easier for them to use compiz than to remember to go to the other virtual desktop in a 2d feel.
15:25
Gutsy
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<sbalneav>
Well, if you're a glutton for punishment, you could always rm the S15-prevent-compiz function in the ldm rc.d area.
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<joebob777as7>
where is that?
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<sbalneav>
If you come in complaining about problems with compiz and ltsp, though, I will merely laugh at you :)
15:26
in the chroot
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<joebob777as7>
or do you think it would be better to xdmcp? do you know if it works with xdmcp?
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<sbalneav>
No, it's not tested with xdmcp either
15:27
it's not certified to work with ANY remote X display.
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<joebob777as7>
so is there a better way to host all documents and files on a central server than ltsp?
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<sbalneav>
/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d
15:28
<joebob777as7>
for my purposes that is
15:28
<sbalneav>
Yeah
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<joebob777as7>
oh cool!
15:28
<sbalneav>
use ltsp, and forget about compiz
15:28
<joebob777as7>
lol
15:28
can't my boss tells me all 5 computers have to have it
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<sbalneav>
phht.
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<joebob777as7>
that's what you get for letting her browse around on youtube...
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i knew i should have banned youtube.com now look what i've got myself into
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<sbalneav>
try deleting the S15 file, but expect problems
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<joebob777as7>
ok thanks.
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<lns>
Good afternoon sbalneav ;)
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<sbalneav>
Hello lsn
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<lns>
Is gutsy going to be the new LTS?
18:09
<sbalneav>
Long Term Support? No
18:09
The next one, Hardy Heron will be.
18:10
<lns>
ahh gotcha
18:10
in terms of LTSP though, sticking with Ubuntu LTS probably isn't such a good idea, huh (since it's in such heavy development & improvement)
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i'm sure that question is largely up to perspective though
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<sbalneav>
I'm suspecting Hardy will be a good one to stick with for a while.
18:14
W've done a LOT of good work these last two releases.
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<lns>
right on =) that's music to my ears\
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<Q-FUNK>
the hardy boys mystery
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<lns>
Q-FUNK, =P
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<jcastro>
lns: I deploy ltsp in dapper (the last LTS) and it's not so horrible.
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lns: sure I miss out on alot of goodies, but it's still pretty simple to use.
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<Penberthy>
hey can anyone tell me if the HP Compaq t5135 using HP ThinConnect will work with LTSP
18:44
it does use the PXE protocol so I think yes but I would like to confirm
18:45
well pm me if it works
18:45
Got To Go
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<white_n_azz>
newbie alert...Computer says "File not found" and then TFTP file not found which is obviously the boot kernel which is set according to dhcp.conf example
18:55
filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp";
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<sbalneav>
white_n_azz: What version of LTSP on what server?
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<white_n_azz>
just downloaded yesterday...4.x and on CentOS 5
18:56
# ls -l /tftpboot/lts
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total 8440
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drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 Apr 17 2006 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 11 2006 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 Jun 1 14:55 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2752000 Apr 17 2006 vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2878976 Aug 11 2006 vmlinuz-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2984960 Jun 1 14:55 vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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<sbalneav>
Can you paste your dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot?
18:57
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
18:58
<ltsppbot>
"whitecraig" pasted "my dhcpd.conf" (143 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/318
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<white_n_azz>
that's pretty cool...
18:59
learn something every day
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<joebob777as7>
white_n_azz, what did you learn yesterday?
18:59
;)
18:59
<white_n_azz>
I'm targetting getting Macs going but figured it would be easier to start with a Intel box with PXEBoot first
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<sbalneav>
white_n_azz: You're filename's wrong
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<joebob777as7>
should be the same when you do ltsp-build-client use --arch ppc i believe
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<white_n_azz>
I didn't start fooling with architectures yet
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<sbalneav>
joebob777as7: he's on the old 4.2
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<joebob777as7>
oh nm
19:01
<sbalneav>
that didn't exist then
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<white_n_azz>
I got the impression that ltsp 5 wasn't quite yet ready for me yet
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<sbalneav>
If you're runnin a GOOD linux distro, it is :)
19:02
<joebob777as7>
GO UBUNTU!!!!
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<white_n_azz>
does CentOS 5 qualify?
19:02
<sbalneav>
To me, no :)
19:02
<joebob777as7>
lol
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<sbalneav>
No one's ported ltsp5 to RH distro's yet.
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<white_n_azz>
I somehow figured that was somewhere in there
19:03
<sbalneav>
We can't seem to get too many people interested from Fedora
19:03
<white_n_azz>
that's funny because k12ltsp was so married to RH (fedora)
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<sbalneav>
Yep, and they're still running the old 4.2
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<white_n_azz>
anything stick out on my dhcpd.conf? I am fairly convinced that the Intel box actually went from SRV1 (my dhcpd server) to SRV2 (the machine with ltsp installed)
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, I told you
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<white_n_azz>
but it says that it didn't find the file...and the wiki says that the exact filename isn't necessary in dhcpd.conf
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<sbalneav>
you're filename's wrong
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<white_n_azz>
then the wiki is confusing
19:05
<sbalneav>
what wiki is this?
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<white_n_azz>
http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html
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http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html
19:06
As of LTSP, version 2.09pre2, you no longer have to specify a particular kernel to load.
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is what it says
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<sbalneav>
version 2.09
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you're on version 4.2
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<white_n_azz>
yeah...I figured that it was well past that caveat
19:08
so one of the files in /tftpboot/ltsp is vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 is that the filename that needs to be put into dhcpd.conf?
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<sbalneav>
take a look in the tftpboot/ltsp/ vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 dir
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should be a pxelinux.0 in there, I beleieve
19:10
<white_n_azz>
there is
19:10
is that the file/path that should be loaded in dhcpd.conf?
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<sbalneav>
yep
19:10
<white_n_azz>
thanks...gonna try it now
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<sbalneav>
bot /tftpboot's already there, so just start it with /lts/...
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<white_n_azz>
yeah thanks...that I got
19:14
wow - it worked...new issues but that's to be expected, plus, this is sort of kinky hardware (an Optiplex 320 which doesn't run i386 all that well) so I'm kernel panicked but I am working
19:16
OK one more question though...ltspadmin says that xdmcp is installed, not enabled and not running (KDM is running)
19:16
if I get the rest of this working...do I need to have xdmcp running or is KDM sufficient?
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<loather-work>
kdm can feed xdmcp, sure
19:36
go through the configuration file for kdm and see if there's an option to turn it on
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<dniel>
vagrantc: hi!
22:18
vagrantc: are you here?
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vagrantc: vengo a molestarte :)
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<dniel>
I never found everybody
22:48
:(
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<sbalneav>
I'm here
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<sbalneav>
dniel: I'm here
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<dniel>
sbalneav: helo!
23:07
sbalneav: sorry if my english is bad. I'm argentinian
23:07
<sbalneav>
I know, we've talked before
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<dniel>
sbalneav: I have a question: Where are there a good documentation of how ltsp-5 work?
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<sbalneav>
The edubuntu handbook
23:10
<dniel>
I want to know how the software work, its achitecture
23:10
<sbalneav>
Or, for even more up to date documentation, you can check my ppa on launchpad. I have an edubuntu-docs package there for the latest gutsy release
23:10
right, the edubuntu handbook has a "theory of operation" section.
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Or, you could just look at the source.
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<dniel>
sbalneav: thanks! :D
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sbalneav: can you give me the links of your ppa?
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<sbalneav>
https://edge.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive
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<dniel>
sbalneav: oh! thanks
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<dniel>
sbalneav: I have a question for you please. I start a weigth procces in a thin client, then i go to the server and I run top command, but I don't see the use of cpu. Why?
23:21
<sbalneav>
You start what process?
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<dniel>
sbalneav: in the bash i put "yes Hello World"
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sbalneav: in the thin client of course
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<sbalneav>
in what? A graphical shell? or on SCREEN_02 or something like that?
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<dniel>
sbalneav: on SCREEN_02
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<sbalneav>
Well, of course you won't see it.
23:23
it's running ON the thin client itself.
23:23
it's not running on the server.
23:23
The server doesn't see what's running on the client.
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<dniel>
sbalneav: I tougth that the all the CPU load was held by the server
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<sbalneav>
It is.
23:26
When you're running an X session on the server.
23:26
On the client, you run the Xorg server, right?
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then, you set up a connection to the server, and start Xsession -display <client>, basically
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so, all the stuff you run, like gnome, etc is running on the server, and displaying on the client.
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<dniel>
sbalneav: ahh!
23:27
sbalneav: ok
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<sbalneav>
what YOU are doing, by running something on SCREEN=02, is running something locally in the thin client itself.
23:28
the shells running on the thin client.
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<dniel>
sbalneav: ahhh okey!
23:29
sbalneav: now I am begining to understand the idea
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<rafaelfeito>
sbalneav: i didn't understand what you mean: "(01:21:58) sbalneav: On the client, you run the Xorg server, right?"
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<dniel>
sbalneav: very thanks!
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<rafaelfeito>
isn't xorg client?
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<dniel>
sbalneav: thanks!..... Here is to late!! I will go to sleep. (ZZzzzZ)
23:31
sbalneav: good bye!
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<sbalneav>
rafaelfeito: No, you're running an Xorg server
23:34
The server's the bit that actually talks to the graphics card.
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<dniel>
tin_nqn: www.ltsp.org
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<lns>
Evening, LTSPers
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<rafaelfeito>
ok, i have to study more this things, i thought that we have one server xorg on ... server machine :) and many xorg client on clients...
23:42
sbalneav: have the "3 seconds for umount" devices (such as usb) any relationship with 3s nfs' param ?
23:42
<sbalneav>
It's 2 seconds, and no.
23:48
No, it's actually the other way around. You have MANY xorg servers.
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<rafaelfeito>
is this "inversion" because RPC?
23:53
<sbalneav>
no
23:53
It's not an inversion at all
23:53
<lns>
It's just 70's Unix folk babble is all ;)
23:54
<sbalneav>
wha?
23:54
<lns>
j/k
23:54
But you have to admit, from *most* points of view, it is a bit ass/backwards
23:54
<sbalneav>
No, it's not backwards at all.
23:54
<lns>
hehe
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<sbalneav>
How's it backwards?
23:55
<lns>
no i meant from *most* points of view ;)
23:56
because of the "server" being the one that is "serving" XSessions to thin "clients"...Really, I understand technically why they called the client's software the "server", since all LTSP does is....well, "serve" the OS, the graphical/application libraries, etc...
23:59
In pretty much every other aspect of software programming (not that IAAP or anything, because I'm not)...well, the server serves things to the client software. You could think of it as the X "client" (which is actually the server) actually just requesting graphical sessions. Kinda a play on words if you think about it.
23:59
but to actual programmers I'm sure I sound like a total ass. =p
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<sbalneav>
You said it.