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Channel log from 29 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<DawnLight>
what happens to clients upon a server's reboot?
03:50
<johnny>
the clients hang
03:50
but they might be recoverable
03:50
i haven't been at my install when that's happened tho
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<ogra_cmpc>
stgraber: you need the -nolzma option in ltsp-update-image (before -e)
05:48
stgraber: mksquashfs already defaults to lzma but the kernel cant decompress that yet
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<stgraber>
ogra_cmpc: hmm, ok
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<markvandenborre>
how feasible is the following scenario:
07:33
an ltsp server without a sound card
07:33
and clients with one
07:33
and still getting sound playback on the clients?
07:33
(no bidirectional sound needed)
07:34
<mcfloppy_>
hmmm
07:34
my thin clients dont get the right xorg conf
07:35
XF86CONFIG_FILE = /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dual
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X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dual
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<ogra_cmpc>
markvandenborre: works fine
07:35
<mcfloppy_>
both versions dont work...... i've LTSP5
07:35
<markvandenborre>
ogra_cmpc, great
07:35
<ogra_cmpc>
mcfloppy_: and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf.dual exists ?
07:36
(and is in the image if you use gutsy or sid)
07:36
<mcfloppy_>
buerots:~# ls /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf.dual
07:36
. /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf.dual
07:37
The client's image is a 4.0 Debian
07:37
<ogra_cmpc>
using nbd or nfs ?
07:37
<mcfloppy_>
nfs
07:37
<ogra_cmpc>
then it should be used ,,,
07:38
<mcfloppy_>
no, the client prints "using xorg.conf"
07:38
<ogra_cmpc>
where?
07:39* ogra_cmpc isnt aware of such a string in teh bootscripts
07:39
<mcfloppy_>
moment.. i reboot
07:40
hmmm..... the text comes when x start
07:40
<ogra_cmpc>
weird
07:40
<mcfloppy_>
hmm
07:40
<ogra_cmpc>
must be a change vagrant made in teh debian port
07:40
<mcfloppy_>
x dont start...
07:41
<ogra_cmpc>
originally nothing prints such a sentence
07:41
<mcfloppy_>
cannot create regular file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf': Read-only file system
07:41
<ogra_cmpc>
ah, thats something different :)
07:41
<mcfloppy_>
hehe yes.....
07:41
but Xorg prints also the config location
07:41
<ogra_cmpc>
seems like the nfs biond mounts dont work
07:42
*bind
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<mcfloppy_>
hmm
07:42
<ogra_cmpc>
files that need to be rw are bind mounted into a tmpfs in teh old implementation
07:42
(since nfs doesnt like unionfs that was necessary)
07:43
<mcfloppy_>
okay.....
07:43
./var/opt/ltsp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)
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./var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)
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<ogra_cmpc>
i wonder if vagrant did something wrong porting that over
07:43
<mcfloppy_>
./var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)
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is in my export
07:43
s
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./opt/ltsp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)
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so...
07:43
;)
07:43
3 rows
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<ogra_cmpc>
th ebind mounting is done after nfs is mo8unted
07:44
the exports etc are not related here
07:44
it looks to me like its expecting nbd but uses nfs
07:45
is that backported from sid or plain etch packages ?
07:45
<mcfloppy_>
hmmm good question
07:45
i dont know
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<ogra_cmpc>
well, you should know which packages you installed :)
07:45
<mcfloppy_>
i think i ve taken the package from ltsp.org ;)
07:45
<ogra_cmpc>
dpkg -l ltsp-server
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whats the version
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<mcfloppy_>
5.0
07:46
<ogra_cmpc>
5.0 ??
07:46
there is no such package
07:46
must be 5.0.something
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<mcfloppy_>
hmmm
07:47
http://paste.debian.net/45764
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<ogra_cmpc>
so its 5.0.31... :)
07:49
~0.etch.1 means its a backport
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<mcfloppy_>
should i switch to NBD?
07:50
<ogra_cmpc>
no
07:50
.31 didnt have nbd support iirc and etch is missing a lot kernel stuff to make it even work
07:51
.31 is the version ubuntu shipped in feisty (7.04)
07:51
nbd cam with gutsy
07:51
*came
07:52
check the values in /etc/default/ltsp-client-core or so in the chroot
07:52
it should set rw_dirs and files
07:53
actually /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
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<mcfloppy_>
yes
07:53
ive found
07:53
rw_dirs="/var/cache/man /var/lib/xkb /var/lock /var/run /var/log /var/spool /var/tmp /tmp /var/lib/discover /etc/hotplug/.run /var/lib/nfs /et$
07:53
<ogra_cmpc>
right
07:53
check that bindfiles gets xorg.conf assigned
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<mcfloppy_>
bindfiles="/etc/network/interfaces /etc/hostname /etc/hosts /etc/nbd-client /etc/syslog.conf /etc/fstab /etc/resolv.conf"
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:(
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<ogra_cmpc>
look at the bottom :)
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the last if condition
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it either sets copy_dirs="$copy_dirs /etc/X11 /var/lib/x11" or bindfiles="$bindfiles /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
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unless vagrant dropped that (which i dont see a reason for)
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<mcfloppy_>
07:55
it was comented?!?
07:55
hmm i try without comments
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<ogra_cmpc>
what is root_write_method set to ?
07:55
<mcfloppy_>
root_write_method="bind_mounts"
07:55
root_write_method="bind_mounts"
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hmm now it works
07:56
thank you
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<ogra_cmpc>
heh
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<markvandenborre>
hi, I'm trying to optimise performance of flash video on my edubuntu 7.10 setup
11:40
video is working fine in general
11:41
only flash video using the flash plugin is really choppy
11:41
<jammcq>
there's a DIRECT_X setting you can add to lts.conf
11:41
<markvandenborre>
if I download the video and play it using totem, everything works very smoothly
11:41
<jammcq>
unfortunately, I don't know the details about exactly how to specify it
11:41
<markvandenborre>
jammcq: me googling about this
11:41
<jammcq>
it'll make an enormous difference in X performance
11:42
<markvandenborre>
google says nothing about it
11:42
what's the principle behind it?
11:42
(may help me)
11:42
may help me find out more
11:42
<jammcq>
normally, LTSP-5 tunnels all X traffic through SSH
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with the Directx option enabled, it'll do a secure login through ssh, but then switch back to just X over the wire, not tunneled through ssh
11:43
<markvandenborre>
ah, right
11:43
that one, ok, should be enough for me to find my way around
11:44
jammcq: still a bit afraid though that this will prove not to be the bottleneck
11:44
seeing that the same video in full screen mode
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plays back very smoothly
11:44
<jammcq>
I almost guarantee you'll be happy
11:44
<markvandenborre>
if I download it...
11:44
<jammcq>
full-screen mode on a thin client?
11:44
<markvandenborre>
yeah
11:45
youtube video, so not too high res
11:45
but it's a really old pII 350
11:45
with a fairly well supported old ati video card
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now since I have like 100 of these machines laying around, it's worth the effort trying to optimise
11:46
thx a lot for the hint!
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<jammcq>
how do you download youtube videos?
11:47
i've only ever watched them as a stream
11:48
<chup>
there is a firefox plugin ive been told. all I know though.
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<stgraber>
"Fast Video Download" it's called
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<markvandenborre>
jammcq: or there is keepvid.com
11:50
stuff like that
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but it's fairly trivial to create a script to do that
11:51
<outofrange>
On ltsp5 XDM isn't running on the server, right? That is, I can't take a normal workstation and get a remote login on the ltsp server?
11:51
<markvandenborre>
I have a hardcore freebsd friend who uses lynx as his day-to-day browser
11:51
he has made some stuff to handle this in lynx
11:51
<jammcq>
outofrange: correct
11:51
you'd have to configure GDM to allow remote connections
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<markvandenborre>
jammcq: have been looking at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples
11:52
I don't directly see any mention of this DIRECT_X stuff there
11:52
<jammcq>
yeah, I'm searching myself
11:52
<stgraber>
markvandenborre: let me boot my hardy thin client I know I have that somewhere on it :)
11:53
<outofrange>
You mean LDM_DIRECTX?
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<markvandenborre>
outofrange: just found http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31592.html
11:53
it mentions that too
11:53
stgraber: would really appreciate
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<jammcq>
http://www.mail-archive.com/edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02663.html
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that has it
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LDM_DIRECTX=True
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in your lts.conf file
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<stgraber>
LDM_DIRECTX=True in [Default] should do it
11:55
that's what I have here at least
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<jammcq>
and you don't need the patch that is mentioned in the email, cuz it's all been rolled into the upstream ldm
11:55
<outofrange>
Hum. I just noticed I have LDM_DIRECTX = True only on some clients.
11:56
<markvandenborre>
great, thx jammcq, stgraber
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and outofrange of course
11:56
<jammcq>
ok, gotta run. see ya'll later
11:56* stgraber is checking on youtube (it was laggy without)
11:57
<outofrange>
Sure wish I could get volume control working.
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<markvandenborre>
will be back in a minute
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(working from a thin client right now)
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<markvandenborre>
hm, flash video is still quite choppy
12:10
it's marginally better
12:11
I must confess that I am running this libflashsupport package, to get sound on my local machine
12:11
err, on my client...
12:11
<jammcq>
good think I said "almost guarantee"
12:11
<markvandenborre>
:)
12:11
that's about the only non-standard package I have installed
12:12
is there any other way I could try and troubleshoot this?
12:12
<outofrange>
Is it just youtube or all flash?
12:12
<markvandenborre>
seems to me that the problem is with this damn binary flash stuff itself
12:13
outofrange: I'll double check, but I'm afraid it's all of it
12:13
could it be because I have this latest version?
12:13
<stgraber>
the problem with flash is that it uses X11 for the output so it'll always be laggy till we have local apps working
12:13
I'm playing a video using mplayer and the XV output here and it's just perfect
12:13
(on a 1440x900 monitor :))
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<markvandenborre>
ah, maybe it's because all the rest is accelerated
12:14
I see
12:14
how do I get shell access to the client?
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maybe there's more things I can do around there...
12:15
<outofrange>
Flash works great on my fast clients, but doesn't on the slower clients. But, on the faster clients (P4 3GHz!) I've even had youtube stall and freeze.
12:15
<markvandenborre>
outofrange: this is a really slow type of client
12:15
like, pII 350
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<stgraber>
hmm, it's on a 2600+ amd CPU here, but I think the display size may cause problem with non-accelerated video stream ...
12:16
markvandenborre: you can add SCREEN_2=shell
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<outofrange>
To get shell access I copied in my password int the chroot shadow file. Then just ctrl-alt-f1 and log in.
12:16
<markvandenborre>
but the video is relatively sane in comparison to the cpu
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<stgraber>
and you'll have a root shell on tty2
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<markvandenborre>
stgraber: and are there faster ways even to get to the x configuration on the client
12:17
I've already pushed colour depth to 16 from 32
12:17
<stgraber>
no, this is the fastest way (a line to add to lts.conf)
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<markvandenborre>
stgraber: I mean, diagnosing what is currently autogenerated
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<outofrange>
I've been thinking of adding sshd to the chroot.
12:17
stgraber: are you using gnome desktop?
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<stgraber>
markvandenborre: except if you can get the settings you want using xrandr I doubt there is a faster way than getting root access
12:18
outofrange: yep
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<outofrange>
Does your gnome panel volume applet work?
12:18
<markvandenborre>
is lowering refresh rate any use for X11/flash performance
12:18
?
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<stgraber>
outofrange: yes it does, but I'm running Hardy maybe it was fixed after gutsy was released
12:21
<outofrange>
Ah, I see. I just have not been able to figure out why mine doesn't work. If you right-click and select preferences does it show Pulse as a device? Mine only shows ALSA and OSS.
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<stgraber>
IIRC it's because you have access to the server soundcard (read/write access to /dev/dsp) (my server doesn't have a sound card) and because you are missing a pulse library
12:23
what's the output of : dpkg -l | grep pulse ?
12:23
<outofrange>
On client or server?
12:23
libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 on server
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<stgraber>
try installing : gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio
12:24
<outofrange>
On the server?
12:24
<stgraber>
yes
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<outofrange>
Ok
12:25
That package doesn't exist, but this does: libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0
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<stgraber>
hmm, ok install this one then :)
12:25
looks like they renamed some packages with gutsy
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<outofrange>
I assume that library is used by the current user -- i.e. I don't need to reboot the server (just re-login with the client)?
12:27
<stgraber>
indeed
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<outofrange>
Yes!
12:30
stgraber: thanks so much. I've been trying to get that working for a while.
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<stgraber>
np
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<outofrange>
But, I had to configure "Sound Preferences" to work. Is there any trick to make "Autodetect" pick Pulse?
12:31
Kind of a pain to configure all users
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<stgraber>
it should take pulse if it can't access the real sound device
12:34
<outofrange>
X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. I get this when some users log in and then their volume applet doesn't show up.
12:34
Maybe they are not in the right group?
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<stgraber>
audio group maybe
12:36
or it's an ISA sound card undetected by the thin client
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<outofrange>
No, the user is in audio. The only difference is vidieo lpadmin admin netdev powerdev.
12:38
Messages like "wrong authentication" could be more explicit, ;)
12:38
<stgraber>
indeed :)
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<outofrange>
Is this something I should ask about on the list? And if so, which list? ltsp-discuss or edubuntu?
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<outofrange>
sure wish ldm provided both login and password on the same screen. I keep typing the wrong username and can't go back.
12:47
<johnny>
yeah.. i agree
13:00
<outofrange>
Hum, ldm.log also says "Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
13:00
It also says "LTSPROCKS" ;)
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<markvandenborre>
I'm still experimenting with flash and modest thin clients
13:55
please tell me if this is not the appropriate channel to talk about that
13:55
<johnny>
it is.. and isn't..
13:56
<jammcq>
I'd say it's the perfect place to talk about it
13:56
<johnny>
if it's on the topic of ltsp at all, then you're prolly ok
13:56
<markvandenborre>
I can imagine that, especially with the fact that it's non-free
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<johnny>
thin clients != ltsp
13:56
in all cases
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<markvandenborre>
johnny: ltsp, obviously
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<jammcq>
if the videos work fine on a full computer, but don't work so well on LTSP terminals, then this is the place
13:56
<johnny>
yes.. that too :)
13:56
i've ignored flash on my clients for now
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<markvandenborre>
jammcq: I have experienced that flash videos like http://www.schooltv.nl/beeldbank/clip/20030701_kerstbal01
13:56
<jammcq>
certainly, johnny makes a good point. If you aren't using LTSP as your thin client OS, then this wouldn't be the irght place
13:57
<outofrange>
markvandenborre: do you have modern hardware to test with as well?
13:57
As a client, that is.
13:57
<markvandenborre>
outofrange: I could use my laptop as a client I suppose
13:57
but I discovered that movies using http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player
13:57
<outofrange>
I'm amazed how well everything works on my new hardware and how it doesn't on my really old Imacs.
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<markvandenborre>
perform much better
13:58
<johnny>
i retired the imac public terms
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cuz i didn't want to maintain two chroots
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for just a few of them
13:58
<outofrange>
Yes, that's the plan. We have 70 of them.
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<markvandenborre>
back in a sec
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<jammcq>
wow, that's a cool video
13:59
<outofrange>
How do I change the language? ;)
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<DawnLight>
is there support for running processes on the clients?
14:27
oh, i see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
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<outofrange>
Hum, so it's my .Xauthority that is causing problems. Anyone know how it's used in the LTSP environment?
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<otavio>
vagrantc: hi
15:54
forgot them
15:54
vagrantc: resend them to me please
15:54
<vagrantc>
otavio: oh.
15:54
otavio: ok. i've got a small update for ltsp anyways ...
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otavio: how have you been?
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otavio: ldm sent. will work on ltsp...
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<johnny>
hmm.. haven't seen sbalnaev and ogra in awhile
15:59
they gonna come back soon?
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<vagrantc>
i saw ogra_cmpc a day or two ago
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<jammcq>
Scott bought a cabin in canada, and I think he's taken his family there for the holidays
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no internet access there
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<johnny>
fun
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<vagrantc>
otavio: should XS-X-Vcs-Bzr point to upstream, or the debian packaging branch?
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<markvandenborre>
what is the best way to test xorg performance on a client?
16:04
I've found a few nice options that might just give me the 10-20% extra I need to get *$!# flash working more fluently
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but how do I test if plain x11 performance has actually improved?
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<jammcq>
x11perf
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<markvandenborre>
jammcq, how should I have found that?
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<markvandenborre>
hm, never mind that question...
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<jammcq>
heh
16:07
all you gotta do is ask
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<markvandenborre>
it might have sounded a bit negative, but I was just being curious
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but if I'm in a session, that'll give me remote performance, right?
16:08
I can run glxinfo and glxgears and stuff too, with like 3 frames per minute and these guys saying "140 fps"
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<slipttees>
see i alter
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<markvandenborre>
ah, I should have read the man page first
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<slipttees>
happy new year for all...!!
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<vagrantc>
earge to start the new year, i guess
16:10
eagre
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<markvandenborre>
x11perf -display :0 -all works perfectly on my desktop machine
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but I'm a bit lost running it o nmy thin clinet
16:24
and just a sudo x11perf -display 10.0.0.250:0 -all obviously is not going to work
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<jammcq>
are you logged into the thin client?
16:27
<markvandenborre>
yes, I have root on the client
16:27
(tty1)
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<jammcq>
where do you want x11perf to run? on the client, displayed to the client? or on the server, displayted to the client?
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<markvandenborre>
I want to measure the performance of the client graphics hardware, obviously
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<jammcq>
why not just do a gui login from the client to the server, then run: x11perf --all
16:28
that will do that
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<markvandenborre>
ah, I was a bit confused here, thought I would be measuring server graphics hardware performance...
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<jammcq>
no, it'll measure the display, whatever it happens to be set to.
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if you log in via the thin client, your display will be set in $DISPLAY
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<markvandenborre>
I see...
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<jammcq>
in fact, go ahead and log in that way, and echo $DISPLAY, see what it's set to
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<markvandenborre>
10.0.0.250:6.0
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(client ip:6.0)
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<jammcq>
hmm, ok
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i'm wondering why it's 6.0
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<markvandenborre>
me too
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<jammcq>
shouldn't be a problem
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maybe it's because it is running on the 7th screen
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<markvandenborre>
it's performing fairly well for it's age, and very stable too
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yeah, probably
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it's just that I need to squeeze out that last drip
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<jammcq>
but that tells us it's definately using the LDM_DIRECTX option
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what video chipset is it?
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<markvandenborre>
yup, that's the way I set it, thanks to your hints
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ati 3d rage pro agp 1x/2x
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8 Mb of ram
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<jammcq>
what video driver is being used?
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<markvandenborre>
I found out that I could probably squeeze out a little more by explicitly ordering it to use agp 2x mode
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ati
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not vesa of course ;)
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<jammcq>
good
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<markvandenborre>
the problem is really with that bastard binary only flash plugin
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incredibly inefficient
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all other online video is working really smoothly
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and even most flash is working quite ok
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just youtube, and guess what people want?
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... youtube
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hope gnash will solve that in the not too distant future
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<jammcq>
I'm not convinced that gnash will be any better performance than the macromedia player
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<markvandenborre>
you're right on that one
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but it will probably be much more network efficient
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right?
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<jammcq>
why?
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their first order of business is to function
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<jammcq>
they'll be working on full compatibility for a very long time. performance improvements will happen after it works
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<markvandenborre>
of course, and they try to be portable between archs, which will always give them a kind of performance penalty
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<jammcq>
the goal of that project is to provide a "FREE" flash player, not a "FASTER" flash player
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<markvandenborre>
yeah, I should probably stop talking out of my ass
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it's just me really really wanting to give these kids decent video performance, even with this youtube flash stuff
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<jammcq>
what kind of network card in that machine?
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<markvandenborre>
intel 100 Mbit in the client, Gbit in the server
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<jammcq>
maybe it's a network bandwidth issue
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<markvandenborre>
full screen video gets through quite well...
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correction:
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a scaled up 1/4 screen video gets through quite well
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except for flash video
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when played through the flash player
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works perfectly smooth with totem and gstreamer ffmpeg plugin
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<vagrantc>
otavio: i'm wondering exactly what to say with the removals to the Uploaders field ... ?
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<markvandenborre>
jammcq, would it be useful to use iptraf and stuff?
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<vagrantc>
otavio: it's easy for mdz and stratus, as they said they didn't have time to be involved ...
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otavio: but mvo ... maybe never even knew they were on the team ...
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<markvandenborre>
I'm asking a lot of questions here, will try to document what I learnt in the wiki of course
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for as far as it isn't there already
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<otavio>
vagrantc: I work with mvo on apt
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vagrantc: he's nice to play with
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vagrantc: and I think it's ok to remove him.
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<vagrantc>
otavio: sent ltsp upload too.
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<otavio>
vagrantc: got them
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vagrantc: will do them tomorrow ... and sorry by being late
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<vagrantc>
otavio: thanks :)
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otavio: you're just trying to coerce me to finish NM :P
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<otavio>
ahahh sorry
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wasn't my intention
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i've been busy and ended forgetting it
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<vagrantc>
otavio: i figured ... not seeing you on irc for a few days ... figured you'd have lots of catch-up work
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<markvandenborre>
has anyone compared flash video performance on thin clients between the latest versions?
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google seems to say that the latest version is worse than previous ones
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http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72&catid=616&threadid=1317513&enterthread=y
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(see at the bottom)
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<markvandenborre>
hey all, I just found something that might be used as a stopgap solution for low performance
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youtube clients
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tribler.org
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free software, from a dutch university
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does seem to be able to use xv, contrary to adobe flash that only uses x11
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hm, not too impressive at second sight
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<sudonix>
hello, can anyone give some advice with debugging ltspfs problems?
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I have followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev, got stuck on step 4 (running gutsy)
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the workaround/fix mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/160420 did not help
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<markvandenborre>
any idea what a normal score is for
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x11perf -copywinpix500
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on a thin client?
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I'm getting 6.9 per second, and something tells me that's just not righ
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t
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<vagrantc>
try it on a desktop system?
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<markvandenborre>
I tried it on my laptop
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got 96.4
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<markvandenborre>
but I'm curious if this is _really_ really bad or not
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because it sure does look like that
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so if you could run that on something not too beefy, I'd be grateful
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<markvandenborre>
oh man, this is strange
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vesa is working better than ati
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!
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<vagrantc>
markvandenborre: what numbers do you want?
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<markvandenborre>
vagrantc, I've solved the issue after hours and hours
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thx for offering to help, but it's done
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really happy
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<vagrantc>
markvandenborre: ok.
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<markvandenborre>
I just wonder if I should file a bug report
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on such old hardware
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or at least put this info up somewhere in the wiki
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<vagrantc>
surely you should say something about how you fixed it :P
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<markvandenborre>
vagrantc, the problem was that on my hardware
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(old recycled compaq deskpro machine with ati 3d rage pro agp 1x 2x)
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the autodetected ati driver performed _really_ badly on certain actions
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that made flash really choppy
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and that made some x11 performance tests go really bad
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(x11perf -copywinpix500)
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that's a test that copies 500x500 squares from window to pixmap
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something similar happens with the flash plugin
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using the vesa driver somehow solved the issue
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performance on this test went up from 6.9/sec to 140/sec
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<vagrantc>
well good :)
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gotta run
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<markvandenborre>
since this was quite common hardware, it might be interesting for others to know...
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