IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 January 2012   (all times are UTC)

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08:45
<csaba_>
hello
08:45
I am looking for help on enabling quota on ltsp fat clients
08:45
I mean disk quota
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<csaba_>
it is installed enbled and working on the server but not working on the fat clients
08:46
when I type quota it just returns nothing
08:46
any help would be great
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<csaba_>
any ideas?
08:57
<cyberorg>
csaba_, ltsp uses sshfs to mount user's folders, don't think it supports quota
08:58
<csaba_>
pardon?
08:58
<cyberorg>
if using nfs for /home then look up nfs docs for enabling quota for nfs
08:59
<csaba_>
I am puzzled since I already managed quota for ltsp thin version but heaving problem with FAT
09:00
<cyberorg>
thinclient session is running on the server, fat is local running on the client so it sees the filesystem as remotely mounted one
09:01
<csaba_>
yes I understand that
09:01
so it must be then something with the server not providing info for the client?
09:02
<cyberorg>
yes, for example look for nfs quota if you are using that to access folders from the server on the client
09:04
<csaba_>
i found something about rpc.quotad
09:05
I guess it should be running on the server
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<csaba_>
hm, still heaving trouble with quota
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<csaba_>
i have checked that rpcinfo -p | grep rquotad
10:06
it returned fine so the rquatd is running but still can not get results in ltsp fat wit quota
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<csaba_>
there is something I do not understand
10:19
in ltsp fat
10:20
clients boot up fine, but when I try to get quota working on the fat client I found I need rquota
10:21
.... but when I run rpc.rquotad I get this : Warning: Cannot open export table /var/lib/nfs/etab:
10:21
i searched and found I need nfs server on the ltsp server
10:22
how come it is not on it yet, the clients need it to mound the homes, don't they?
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<csaba>
anyone?
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11:54
<alkisg>
csaba: fat clients use sshfs by default, you need to do additional configuration to switch to nfs
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<csaba>
is there a simple way to have quota without nfs?
12:01
<sepski>
csaba, on local filesystem yes
12:02
<csaba>
I mean on the fat client
12:02
or will it be a problem if I export /home from ltsp server and run nfs-common on the fat client?
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<csaba>
somehow I need quota on the fat client
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<sepski>
csaba, you must use nfs then.
12:04
<csaba>
something I do not get: how does then ltsp fat providing user homes for fat clients without nfs?
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<sepski>
or make your own ; a nightly cronjob that checks all userdirs with 'du -s ' ; and nag the user+ sending a report to yourself. might be simple enough to implement
12:05
csaba, alkisg just said p there that it uses sshfs by default
12:07
<csaba>
ok, sorry
12:07
then let me ask again: will it be a problem if I export /home from ltsp server and run nfs-common on the fat client?
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<alkisg>
csaba: don't quotas take effect even if you use sshfs?
12:09
I don't see why you need to do anything to the fat chroot, to have quotas...
12:11
I'm not using quotas, but I think it's a local file system thing, unrelated to the network file system by which the clients access it... (sshfs, nfs, samba, whatever, the quotas should still take effect locally)
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<csaba>
so far no
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<alkisg>
Then you probably have something misconfigured in your server, unrelated to ltsp
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<csaba>
when I run quota on the server under some username it returns data fine
12:13
on the lstp fat client nothing returns
12:13
<alkisg>
Do you run it for the correct file system?
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<alkisg>
I.e. the sshfs mounted /home/username?
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<muppis>
csaba, it doesn't report quota to fat, but it still effective on server even it mounted to elsewhere via fuse mount, like alkisg mentioned.
12:15
<csaba>
muppis: thanks I understand that, but I need to report users over fat
12:15
I created a little program to check quota upon login and pop up a window
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it works on a thin client system
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<alkisg>
csaba: then your questions are "how do I check quota with sshfs" or "how do I check quota with nfs"? Which are unrelated to LTSP. You can still ask in this channel, but you might want to also ask in a more appropriate channel instead.
12:18
<csaba>
first I wasn't aware of ltsp fat is not using nfs, but i though i can implemet nfs to make it work
12:18
<alkisg>
If you want to run a command (your quota program) on the server instead of the fat client, you can reuse the ssh channel
12:18
<csaba>
but I guess I asked how to have quota with ltsp fat
12:19
give me 10 mins
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<alkisg>
E.g. for NFS google says one can use rquotad: manpages.ubuntu.com/rquotad
12:21
To enable NFS for fat clients, check the fat clients wiki page:
12:21
!fatclients | echo csaba:
12:21
<ltsp`>
csaba: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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<csaba>
so alskig: "how do I check quota with sshfs"?
12:53
I understand how to do it with nfs, but from your interpretation I guess using quota with sshfs is the way to go
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<alkisg>
csaba: you can use tab to autocomplete the user names, to get them right
13:02
I didn't mean that sshfs is the way to go
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<alkisg>
I meant that however you do it, your questions are unrelated to this irc channel
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And it's better to ask in #nfs for nfs, or in your distro channel, etc
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<csaba>
alskig I came here because I am using ltsp and though that someone else may have the same problem or a solution.
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it seemed logical to come to ltsp channel since
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I would happily go to another channel if I'd know better. Problem is I am stuck and need some help.
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alskig autocomplete on the server you mean?
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<alkisg>
csaba: no, I mean if you write "al" and press tab, you'll get "alkisg" autocompleted
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<csaba>
since ltsp is already working without nfs I guess you are right to try to use sshfs then
13:13
<alkisg>
Because the way you write it, "alskig", it's wrong
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<csaba>
oh yes it works thanks
13:14
<alkisg>
What I'm saying is that people in #nfs will know more about quotas over nfs than us here
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<csaba>
alkisg, I am fine with quotas over NFS, that is not the problem
13:15
<alkisg>
For sshfs I don't know if they have an IRC channel or a mailing list, you'd need to google it
13:15
If you want to switch LTSP fat clients to NFS, then _this_ is the correct channel, and I already answered that...
13:15
For sshfs/nfs/quotas, sorry, no idea.
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<csaba>
alkisg, would you please tell me once again?
13:18
about nfs
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<alkisg>
(02:21:21 μμ) alkisg: To enable NFS for fat clients, check the fat clients wiki page:
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(02:21:30 μμ) alkisg: !fatclients | echo csaba:
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(02:21:31 μμ) ltsp`: csaba: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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<csaba>
alkisg, thanks
13:21
<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<csaba>
alkisg, one more
13:22
alkisg, when I installed ltsp from ubutu alternate, it installs without nfs, right?
13:22
alkisg, then if I look this site aou mentioned, it is not talking about switcing from sshfs mode to nfs specifically,
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<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients#NFS_HOME
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<csaba>
alkisg, so my concern is wouldn't I screw up my system if I go and implement nfs also
13:23
<alkisg>
NFS_HOME Unfortunately, even with SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False, some applications that require file locks (e.g. evolution) fail to run properly. A new lts.conf variable was introduced to overcome this, NFS_HOME. In order to use it,
13:23
Install nfs-common in the chroot, Install nfs-kernel-server on your server, Add /home   *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) to your /etc/exports on your server,
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Run sudo exportfs -ra for the previous change to take effect, And finally, add NFS_HOME=/home on your lts.conf.
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csaba: this is the part where it is "talking about switcing from sshfs mode to nfs specifically,"
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Please read the wiki page I linked
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<csaba>
I did, just was trying to tell you something that took too long before you asked
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<alkisg>
I lost you. Didn't you say that "(03:22:55 μμ) csaba: alkisg, then if I look this site aou mentioned, it is not talking about switcing from sshfs mode to nfs specifically," ?
13:25
And I'm saying that it does.
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Anyway time to go, good luck with the rest.
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<csaba>
I think you are right, I probably got lost with a bunch of what if's
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<csaba>
and many thanks for taking your time
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<csaba>
can someone tell me where to put the lts.conf under ubuntu 10.04?
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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<andygraybeal>
hi hi hi
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<cliebow>
is that bill cavalieri?
15:13* cliebow sp
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<bill_c>
lol that it is, been a long time :)
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<cliebow>
bill_c, you still integrating macs..done anything with macbooks?
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<bill_c>
Haven't been able to do much with macs anymore, my supply of macs ran out
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starting a new job, so might be able to fund that hobby again
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hey having a prob, not that familiar with ltsp5. Getting out of memory: kill process 880 clicfs. Thin clients have 128mb ram, anything I can do, or should they upgrade?
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<cliebow>
i ll have to leave that to someone else..I lost my ltsp to one-to-one macbooks..so never have progressed beyond 4.2
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<alkisg>
About ltsp-chroot and /dev mounting... I got this:
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/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
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dpkg: error processing linux-image-3.2.0-8-generic (--configure):
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E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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Should we mount --bind /dev ? Should we blacklist grub? Should we make a wrapper for grub-probe?
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<andygraybeal>
does anyone else have problems with the 'gnome-power-manager'? or how about this 'bonobo-activation-server'?
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<alkisg>
What problems?
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<andygraybeal>
well with the 'gnome-power-manager' i think it has a memory leak, i could be wrong.
18:01
alkisg, also - they seem to eat a lot of memory per user, and i have no idea what it does, and would be grateful if it wasn't there in the first place --- honestly i don't know.. i'm going through all the processes on my server.. and they seem to take a lot of memory per person.
18:02
i wonder if other people have possibly the same issue
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18:03
<alkisg>
I think the formula is "256 MB per logged in user"
18:03
Is that what you're seeing?
18:03
<andygraybeal>
for the 'gnome-power-manager' ?
18:03
<alkisg>
No, for the whole session
18:03
E.g. if you have 10 users, how much RAM is your server using?
18:03
<andygraybeal>
i'm looking at htop, i don't know how to look at that.
18:04
<alkisg>
How many logged on users?
18:04
And, what's the output of `free` ?
18:04
<andygraybeal>
andy@buddleia:/home/andy.graybeal$ free
18:04
total used free shared buffers cached
18:04
Mem: 8192980 6491020 1701960 0 34916 595888
18:04
-/+ buffers/cache: 5860216 2332764
18:04
Swap: 7831544 1131292 6700252
18:04
andy@buddleia:/home/andy.graybeal$
18:04
and i have, i don't know 10 users logged in
18:04
maybe 8 user
18:05
some are using x2go and some ltsp
18:05
<alkisg>
`w` tells you the users
18:05
<andygraybeal>
yea, but not the 'x2go' users
18:05
<alkisg>
Why not?
18:05
<andygraybeal>
i'm not sure, then it says only 2 people are logged in with 'w'
18:05
myself and someone else
18:06
<alkisg>
Hmmm both LTSP and x2go depend on ssh for login
18:06
<andygraybeal>
okay, then i'm not sure
18:06
<alkisg>
So either both of them should show up, or noone of them
18:08
<andygraybeal>
yes, i don't get it - i don't trust all this 'gnome' stuff :)
18:10
<alkisg>
If I `ssh user@localhost`, then I can see the user with `w`.
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<csaba>
hi
18:59
I came back here so perhaps someone knows how to make ltsp fat client aware of disk quota?
19:00
with sshfs and not nfs
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: one problem with not mounting /dev/ in ltsp-chroot is grub:
20:14
/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
20:14
dpkg: error processing linux-image-3.2.0-8-generic (--configure):
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E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
20:21
<vagrantc>
eesh. no problems like that in debian.
20:21
does linux-image-* depend on grub or something?
20:22
<alkisg>
I think so, but the end goal is *to have * grub installed
20:23
So that it's a bootable chroot, right?
20:23
<vagrantc>
ah, right.
20:23
<alkisg>
(although if it's bootable one can do that from vbox or something, i.e. from a real, not chrooted, system)
20:23
<vagrantc>
well, you've got your problem use-case :)
20:24
<alkisg>
In sch-scripts I used to mount /dev so I never had this problem
20:30
<andygraybeal>
alkisg, my system has been running for 40 days... it just seems like my memory slowly creeps up in usage until i got to reboot the computer
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20:41
<alkisg>
andygraybeal: keep the output of a `ps aux` the first day, and compare it with the output of the 40th day, and then file bug reports wherever you suspect there are leaks
20:41
<andygraybeal>
alkisg, okay interesting. thank you
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